Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 The Akins program, along with other plans that recommend eliminating starch and sugar (the Protein Power and Paleolithic Diets), is one of healthiest programs you can follow. Pam --- Ed Jones <ejones310 wrote: > Atkins program will make you sick, why was this > subject even brought up here? If you knew anything > about health you wouldnt ask > - > Mindy Behymer > Gettingwell > Monday, January 07, 2002 12:22 PM > Re: binges (was: Hollywood > Diet) > > > Pamela Southall wrote: > > > Hi Mindy, > > > > Atkins is not a " veggie-free* program. In fact, > starchless veggies are absolutely mandatory. The > plan you mentioned sure sounds unhealthy, don't you > think?? > > > > Pam > > Pam, > The Atkins program confuses me, to be sure....I > think he is the most > stringent of the low-carbers. Probably I describe > him as veggie-free > because during > induction (20 g carbs/day) it is difficult to > load up on vegetables. > And doesn't he recommend induction for at least > two weeks? So, I dunno. > > Anyway, which part of the plan I mentioned did you > think was unhealthy? > The first 2 days or the third day? =) > > Mindy > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by > day, building health > and well being. > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > Subscription and list archives are at: > Gettingwell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 I totally agree. francie > The Akins program, along with other plans that > recommend eliminating starch and sugar (the Protein > Power and Paleolithic Diets), is one of healthiest > programs you can follow. > > Pam > > > --- Ed Jones <ejones310@m...> wrote: > > Atkins program will make you sick, why was this > > subject even brought up here? If you knew anything > > about health you wouldnt ask > > - > > Mindy Behymer > > Gettingwell > > Monday, January 07, 2002 12:22 PM > > Re: binges (was: Hollywood > > Diet) > > > > > > Pamela Southall wrote: > > > > > Hi Mindy, > > > > > > Atkins is not a " veggie-free* program. In fact, > > starchless veggies are absolutely mandatory. The > > plan you mentioned sure sounds unhealthy, don't you > > think?? > > > > > > Pam > > > > Pam, > > The Atkins program confuses me, to be sure....I > > think he is the most > > stringent of the low-carbers. Probably I describe > > him as veggie-free > > because during > > induction (20 g carbs/day) it is difficult to > > load up on vegetables. > > And doesn't he recommend induction for at least > > two weeks? So, I dunno. > > > > Anyway, which part of the plan I mentioned did you > > think was unhealthy? > > The first 2 days or the third day? =) > > > > Mindy > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by > > day, building health > > and well being. > > > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > > Subscription and list archives are at: > > Gettingwell > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 The Atkins diet causes ketosis which can cause dramatic weight loss at first (which seems great) because your kidneys have to get rid of these ketones, and this takes a lot of water to flush this out of your body. So, much of the weight loss initially is water. Ketosis changes your body's blood chemistry, and can be dangerous for people with diabetes and those who are pregnant. - Pamela Southall Gettingwell Monday, January 07, 2002 1:01 PM Re: Atkins The Akins program, along with other plans that recommend eliminating starch and sugar (the Protein Power and Paleolithic Diets), is one of healthiest programs you can follow. Pam --- Ed Jones <ejones310 wrote: > Atkins program will make you sick, why was this > subject even brought up here? If you knew anything > about health you wouldnt ask > - > Mindy Behymer > Gettingwell > Monday, January 07, 2002 12:22 PM > Re: binges (was: Hollywood > Diet) > > > Pamela Southall wrote: > > > Hi Mindy, > > > > Atkins is not a " veggie-free* program. In fact, > starchless veggies are absolutely mandatory. The > plan you mentioned sure sounds unhealthy, don't you > think?? > > > > Pam > > Pam, > The Atkins program confuses me, to be sure....I > think he is the most > stringent of the low-carbers. Probably I describe > him as veggie-free > because during > induction (20 g carbs/day) it is difficult to > load up on vegetables. > And doesn't he recommend induction for at least > two weeks? So, I dunno. > > Anyway, which part of the plan I mentioned did you > think was unhealthy? > The first 2 days or the third day? =) > > Mindy > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by > day, building health > and well being. > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > Subscription and list archives are at: > Gettingwell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 you two ladies are nuts - francies2 Gettingwell Monday, January 07, 2002 1:35 PM Re: Atkins I totally agree. francie > The Akins program, along with other plans that > recommend eliminating starch and sugar (the Protein > Power and Paleolithic Diets), is one of healthiest > programs you can follow. > > Pam > > > --- Ed Jones <ejones310@m...> wrote: > > Atkins program will make you sick, why was this > > subject even brought up here? If you knew anything > > about health you wouldnt ask > > - > > Mindy Behymer > > Gettingwell > > Monday, January 07, 2002 12:22 PM > > Re: binges (was: Hollywood > > Diet) > > > > > > Pamela Southall wrote: > > > > > Hi Mindy, > > > > > > Atkins is not a " veggie-free* program. In fact, > > starchless veggies are absolutely mandatory. The > > plan you mentioned sure sounds unhealthy, don't you > > think?? > > > > > > Pam > > > > Pam, > > The Atkins program confuses me, to be sure....I > > think he is the most > > stringent of the low-carbers. Probably I describe > > him as veggie-free > > because during > > induction (20 g carbs/day) it is difficult to > > load up on vegetables. > > And doesn't he recommend induction for at least > > two weeks? So, I dunno. > > > > Anyway, which part of the plan I mentioned did you > > think was unhealthy? > > The first 2 days or the third day? =) > > > > Mindy > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by > > day, building health > > and well being. > > > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > > Subscription and list archives are at: > > Gettingwell > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 In a message dated 8/1/02 14:53:44 GMT Standard Time, ron writes: ditto > Ed Jones you are as mis-informed as you are rude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Ed Jones you are as mis-informed as you are rude. Ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > Ed Jones > 1/7/2002 4:36:38 PM > Gettingwell > Re: Re: Atkins > > > > > > you two ladies are nuts > > - > > francies2 > > Gettingwell > > Monday, January 07, 2002 1:35 PM > > Re: Atkins > > > > > > I totally agree. > > > > francie > > > > > The Akins program, along with other plans that > > > recommend eliminating starch and sugar (the Protein > > > Power and Paleolithic Diets), is one of healthiest > > > programs you can follow. > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > --- Ed Jones wrote: > > > > Atkins program will make you sick, why was this > > > > subject even brought up here? If you knew anything > > > > about health you wouldnt ask > > > > - > > > > Mindy Behymer > > > > Gettingwell > > > > Monday, January 07, 2002 12:22 PM > > > > Re: binges (was: Hollywood > > > > Diet) > > > > > > > > > > > > Pamela Southall wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Mindy, > > > > > > > > > > Atkins is not a " veggie-free* program. In fact, > > > > starchless veggies are absolutely mandatory. The > > > > plan you mentioned sure sounds unhealthy, don't you > > > > think?? > > > > > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > Pam, > > > > The Atkins program confuses me, to be sure....I > > > > think he is the most > > > > stringent of the low-carbers. Probably I describe > > > > him as veggie-free > > > > because during > > > > induction (20 g carbs/day) it is difficult to > > > > load up on vegetables. > > > > And doesn't he recommend induction for at least > > > > two weeks? So, I dunno. > > > > > > > > Anyway, which part of the plan I mentioned did you > > > > think was unhealthy? > > > > The first 2 days or the third day? =) > > > > > > > > Mindy > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by > > > > day, building health > > > > and well being. > > > > > > > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > > > > Subscription and list archives are at: > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Ed Jones wrote: > you two ladies are nuts > OK Ed, time to spill the beans...what is it about the Atkins diet that you find to be unhealthy? Mindy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Eating alot of meat, The Atkins diet causes ketosis which can cause dramatic weight loss at first (which seems great) because your kidneys have to get rid of these ketones, and this takes a lot of water to flush this out of your body. So, much of the weight loss initially is water. Ketosis changes your body's blood chemistry, and can be dangerous for people with diabetes and those who are pregnant. Look up ketosis on the internet, its not a healthy state to be in. If you continue on this diet plan on having kidney problems later in life. - Mindy Behymer Gettingwell Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:11 AM Re: Re: Atkins Ed Jones wrote: > you two ladies are nuts > OK Ed, time to spill the beans...what is it about the Atkins diet that you find to be unhealthy? Mindy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 --- A short term solution perhaps but with it's long-term consequences! " Ed Jones " <ejones310@m...> wrote: > Eating alot of meat, > > The Atkins diet causes ketosis which can cause dramatic weight loss at first > (which seems great) because your kidneys have to get rid of these ketones, > and this takes a lot of water to flush this out of your body. So, much of > the weight loss initially is water. Ketosis changes your body's blood > chemistry, and can be dangerous for people with diabetes and those who are > pregnant. > > Look up ketosis on the internet, its not a healthy state to be in. If you > continue on this diet plan on having kidney problems later in life. > > > - > Mindy Behymer > Gettingwell > Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:11 AM > Re: Re: Atkins > > > Ed Jones wrote: > > > you two ladies are nuts > > > > OK Ed, time to spill the beans...what is it about the Atkins diet that you > find to be unhealthy? > > Mindy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Some one on a doctors chat line said that Dr Atkins was fighting cancer, they said the type of cancer... can not remember, I guess he has it all over. That is too bad he is such a knowledgeable person. Elaine - Wayne Fugitt Gettingwell Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:34 AM Atkins, Douglass, what about others? Which doctors to trust? Not many, that is for sure. >OK Ed, time to spill the beans...what is it about the Atkins diet that you >find to be unhealthy? What happened to Dr. Atkins? Did he die or retire? I used to get his newsletter. Then.... Dr. Campbell Douglass started writing it. I like his views better anyway. No one says much about Dr. Campbell Douglass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Is anyone on this list a Vegetarian besides me? Since becoming one 2 years ago I've lost 15 pounds and I wasn't even trying to loose weight. Also I almost never get sick now. Ed - mrsjoguest Gettingwell Tuesday, January 08, 2002 8:57 AM Re: Atkins --- A short term solution perhaps but with it's long-term consequences! " Ed Jones " <ejones310@m...> wrote: > Eating alot of meat, > > The Atkins diet causes ketosis which can cause dramatic weight loss at first > (which seems great) because your kidneys have to get rid of these ketones, > and this takes a lot of water to flush this out of your body. So, much of > the weight loss initially is water. Ketosis changes your body's blood > chemistry, and can be dangerous for people with diabetes and those who are > pregnant. > > Look up ketosis on the internet, its not a healthy state to be in. If you > continue on this diet plan on having kidney problems later in life. > > > - > Mindy Behymer > Gettingwell > Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:11 AM > Re: Re: Atkins > > > Ed Jones wrote: > > > you two ladies are nuts > > > > OK Ed, time to spill the beans...what is it about the Atkins diet that you > find to be unhealthy? > > Mindy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Obvioulsy, Ed, you have not read Drs. Atkins or Eades (Protein Power). I suggest you read these books and educate yourself on the FACTS. Your opinion borders on superstition along with the anticholesterol frenzy that abounds. " Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and judge things by reason's way, not by popular say. " Montaigne (1533-1592) Ed Jones <ejones310 wrote: Eating alot of meat, The Atkins diet causes ketosis which can cause dramatic weight loss at first (which seems great) because your kidneys have to get rid of these ketones, and this takes a lot of water to flush this out of your body. So, much of the weight loss initially is water. Ketosis changes your body's blood chemistry, and can be dangerous for people with diabetes and those who are pregnant. Look up ketosis on the internet, its not a healthy state to be in. If you continue on this diet plan on having kidney problems later in life. - Mindy Behymer Gettingwell Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:11 AM Re: Re: Atkins Ed Jones wrote: > you two ladies are nuts > OK Ed, time to spill the beans...what is it about the Atkins diet that you find to be unhealthy? Mindy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 - " Ed Jones " <ejones310 Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:06 AM Re: Re: Atkins > Eating alot of meat, > > The Atkins diet causes ketosis which can cause dramatic weight loss at first > (which seems great) because your kidneys have to get rid of these ketones, > and this takes a lot of water to flush this out of your body. So, much of > the weight loss initially is water. Ketosis changes your body's blood > chemistry, and can be dangerous for people with diabetes and those who are > pregnant. > > Look up ketosis on the internet, its not a healthy state to be in. If you > continue on this diet plan on having kidney problems later in life. > I have never actually read the Atkins diet, but I do have experience with my own high meat diet & have read much about ketosis. I do not have references handy, but I did a lot of reading on ketosis when I was diagnosed a diabetic 6 months ago. From what I read, ketosis (in moderation) is not harmful so long as one has good kidneys. There is a medical myth that eating lots of protein can cause one's kidneys to weaken or fail, especially if one has diabetes. But I could find no evidence for those statements. I did find some conjecture that kidney failure in diabetics ( & others) was caused by the prescription drugs which many people take year after year. After all, the kidneys must process the poisonous prescription drugs many people put into their bodies day after day for decades. So, it seems to me, that it is not eating high protein which causes kidney failure but scrip drugs. I am not saying a totally carnivorous diet is healthy, for many reasons. But 2-3 times as much meat as the ADA suggests seems far more natural & healthy to me, when eaten in balance with other food groups (organic, where possible). I personally find that I can safely control my blood glucose levels without diabetic medicines by eating a high meat/fish diet. I chose this course of action because I feel the dangers of daily intake of diabetic drugs is not good for me -- for dozens of reasons. I feel the danger of kidney failure are far less with a high meat diet than they are with a low meat plus diabetic drugs. I have not yet found enough evidence on this to " prove " my statements. But I could find no clear evidence to say I am wrong, either. I apologize for the lack of supporting evidence & links to informative URLs, but when I began my quest for information, I was doing so only for my own use & had no thought that I would oneday be on this list & want to share my findings with others. Alobar PS Since joining this list I have read many things about diet which I do not understand or which I disagree with. When possible, I ask questions, read supporting websites from the URLs people kindly post, and otherwise try to understand. But even when I read all I can & still do not agree, I respect the right of others to make different value judgements than I do. Our lives -- and the quality of our lives -- are all at stake here, and I feel it is up to each of us to read all we can, evaluate what we read as best we can & then act on our convictions. I sure can't say that what seems like it will work for me necessarily applies to anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 --- Elaine, That's pathetic... Cancer is such a debilitating disease. Seems more widespread than ever right at the moment. Very depressing. JoAnn " Elaine121 " <Elaine121@e...> wrote: > Some one on a doctors chat line said that Dr Atkins was fighting cancer, they said the type of cancer... can not remember, I guess he has it all over. > That is too bad he is such a knowledgeable person. > Elaine > - > Wayne Fugitt > Gettingwell > Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:34 AM > Atkins, Douglass, what about others? > > > Which doctors to trust? Not many, that is for sure. > > >OK Ed, time to spill the beans...what is it about the Atkins diet that you > >find to be unhealthy? > > > What happened to Dr. Atkins? > > Did he die or retire? I used to get his newsletter. Then.... Dr. > Campbell Douglass started writing it. I like his views better anyway. > > No one says much about Dr. Campbell Douglass. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 the desert_rat <ron wrote: Ed Jones you are as mis-informed as you are rude. Ron Hi Ron, You are both a scolar and a gentleman! Pam Send FREE video emails in Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 And also a scholar and a gentleman! lol :-) Pamela Southall <southallp wrote: the desert_rat <ron wrote: Ed Jones you are as mis-informed as you are rude. Ron Hi Ron, You are both a scolar and a gentleman! Pam Send FREE video emails in Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Ed Jones wrote: > So, much of > the weight loss initially is water. *nod* Yep, my body was holding on to water for dear life! When I first started low-carbing, I literally lost about 8 pounds in the first week -- I know, that it much too much, but consider that probably 7 of those pounds was water. But anyway...wouldn't a high vegetable consumption offset the acidic ketosis?? Mindy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Alobar <alobar wrote: I have not yet found enough evidence on this to " prove " my statements. But I could find no clear evidence to say I am wrong, either. I apologize for the lack of supporting evidence & links to informative URLs, Hi Alobar, Read the two books, Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution and Protein Power by Drs. Michael and Mary Eades. They will tell you everything you ever wanted to know about how the high-protein/low-carbohydrate way WILL boost your health --IN JUST WEEKS! Pam Send FREE video emails in Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Hi Ed Jones, I entered ketosis into Google as you suggested and this was on top : http://www.lowcarbretreat.com/ketosis.html " Ketosis-Lipolysis is not Ketoacidosis " is the heading of the educational article. Ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Sorry if this is something someone else has already covered the following, I've been away from email for a while.... The Ketosis generally begins in the 4th to 8th day, and it's only for the first 14 days that ketosis is even in the picture. Then it's on to veggies and specific fats and proteins. If one eats incorrectly for long enough to become overweight to the point that that alone is jeopardizing health...what's 14 days? And the affects do not last a lifetime. Some are sensitive to this process, but there are MANY other processes that are less restrictive that work also. Thank GOD for Dr. Atkins. He allowed many others to step up to take the reigns to prove the low cholesterol/high carb diets are KILLING us. They are fatteners...again...look at how cattle are fattened.....grains...which are carbs. And surely, you can't believe that cutting sugar from the diet is not a wise thing to do?? Blessings Francie Gettingwell, " Ed Jones " <ejones310@m...> wrote: > Eating alot of meat, > > The Atkins diet causes ketosis which can cause dramatic weight loss at first > (which seems great) because your kidneys have to get rid of these ketones, > and this takes a lot of water to flush this out of your body. So, much of > the weight loss initially is water. Ketosis changes your body's blood > chemistry, and can be dangerous for people with diabetes and those who are > pregnant. > > Look up ketosis on the internet, its not a healthy state to be in. If you > continue on this diet plan on having kidney problems later in life. > > > - > Mindy Behymer > Gettingwell > Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:11 AM > Re: Re: Atkins > > > Ed Jones wrote: > > > you two ladies are nuts > > > > OK Ed, time to spill the beans...what is it about the Atkins diet that you > find to be unhealthy? > > Mindy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 It has been a while since I read Atkins, but I always drink at least 1/2 oz of water for every pound of body weight. I believe it may have been Atkins from whom I first learned this, maybe not. However, sweeping toxins from the body is most important. So if one looses a lot of " water weight " they most likely are not following water intake instructions. I was amazed at the putrified toxins leaving my body and was thrilled to be drinking enough water to allow them exit space. francie Gettingwell, Mindy Behymer <mindy@l...> wrote: > Ed Jones wrote: > > > So, much of > > the weight loss initially is water. > > *nod* Yep, my body was holding on to water for dear life! When I first started > low-carbing, I literally lost about 8 pounds in the first week -- I know, that > it much too much, but consider that probably 7 of those pounds was water. > > But anyway...wouldn't a high vegetable consumption offset the acidic ketosis?? > > Mindy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 Evening Pam, >You are both a scolar and a gentleman! My old boss used to say it differently. He would say...... " you are a gentleman and a scholar " He would tell me this when I did something right or pleased him in some way. I have wondered for years where this phrase originated and who said it first. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 Can I ask what your blood type is out of interest? Tracy.....testing Dr whatevers theory... - " Ed Jones " <ejones310 Wednesday, 9 January 2002 07:04 Re: Re: Atkins > Is anyone on this list a Vegetarian besides me? Since becoming one 2 years ago I've lost 15 pounds and I wasn't even trying to loose weight. Also I almost never get sick now. > > Ed > - > mrsjoguest > Gettingwell > Tuesday, January 08, 2002 8:57 AM > Re: Atkins > > > --- A short term solution perhaps but with it's long-term > consequences! > > " Ed Jones " <ejones310@m...> wrote: > > Eating alot of meat, > > > > The Atkins diet causes ketosis which can cause dramatic weight loss > at first > > (which seems great) because your kidneys have to get rid of these > ketones, > > and this takes a lot of water to flush this out of your body. So, > much of > > the weight loss initially is water. Ketosis changes your body's > blood > > chemistry, and can be dangerous for people with diabetes and those > who are > > pregnant. > > > > Look up ketosis on the internet, its not a healthy state to be in. > If you > > continue on this diet plan on having kidney problems later in life. > > > > > > - > > Mindy Behymer > > Gettingwell > > Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:11 AM > > Re: Re: Atkins > > > > > > Ed Jones wrote: > > > > > you two ladies are nuts > > > > > > > OK Ed, time to spill the beans...what is it about the Atkins diet > that you > > find to be unhealthy? > > > > Mindy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 Hi Wayne, Maybe it is not quite the compliment it is usually meant to be. QUOTATION: Take a decayed Christian ... and the remains of a Stoic; mix thoroughly with good manners, a bit of money and an old-fashioned education; simmer for several years in a university. Result: a scholar and a gentleman. Well, there were worse types of human being. ATTRIBUTION: Aldous Huxley (1894?), British novelist. William Propter, in After Many a Summer Dies the Swan, ch. 2 (1939). BIOGRAPHY: Columbia Encyclopedia. _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > Wayne Fugitt > 1/8/2002 8:21:34 PM > Gettingwell > Re: Re: Atkins > > > > > > Evening Pam, > > > > >You are both a scolar and a gentleman! > > > > My old boss used to say it differently. He would say...... > > > > > > " you are a gentleman and a scholar " > > > > He would tell me this when I did something right or pleased him in some way. > > > > > > I have wondered for years where this phrase originated and who said it first. > > > > Wayne > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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