Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 Evening Mindy, >What would you say if your favorite nutrition guru got cancer? >> The reason I ask is because I found out from quackwatch that Adelle Davis died of cancer, and here I was enjoying her book so much. I Just one of her books? I read all of them, and purchased many of each to give to my friends. However, this was back in the 60's I think. We have to remember that nutrition is a new science, it is still in its infancy. I think Adelle got carried away with enthuasim and possible wrote her opinion as cold hard fact, which most of it was. As far as her wittings killing someone, I think it was a very young person whereas some followed her suggestions without reservations or qualifications. She was my first idol. I was somewhat turned on by nutrition before I read all her books. I think I can give her part of the credit for my good health today. I used to mix her " pep up " drink but it did not taste so good. After many thousands of hours of study, I don't fine much that disagrees with most of her theories. I am sure that she did millions of times more good to the human race than she did harm. Can you say that of many doctors or federal agencies? <grin> >> So now I don't know what to think. How does anyone ever know >what is true when you have 2 people on either side of the fence >clamoring loudly. Search, Search, and Research and read all the books you can. I had a book copyrighted in 1927 and now I have one that was a school textbook on nutrition in 1928. We find many times more contradictions today than we did in the days of Adelle Davis. Just tonight, I read another rebuttal relative to Vitamin C causing cancer. How many people do you thinks swallowed the story about Vitamin C causing cancer? >Take protein, for example. You have protein fanatics on one side saying >that one should eat at least 50 grams of protein a day, and you have >folks on the vegan side saying that you only need maybe 5 grams a day. >How do you know which side is right? The Greek meaning of " protein " is...... " of first importance " . Unless some writer fibbed about that too. I worry about eating too much protein due to the fact I eat a lot of trailmix, munch on protein wafers, eat more eggs, and usually get a protein drink every day. Last night I had fried venison, rice and gravy. I just had a liver function test, so maybe I have not destroyed it from overwork due to the protein. Of course we know about the evils of sugars and other things. I have not read of many people dying of too much protein. I certainly don't think anyone can stay healthy on 5 grams of protein per day. Often I have 30 to 50 grams by noon. Possibly the rules have changed, but I have in mind an old one, 1 gram of protein per kg of body weight. Fat has no protein requirement. If one is carrying around 30 to 50 lb of fat, this will not be considered when calculating this requirement. I don't calculate it. When I get hungry, I look for protein first or fruit. It this is not within reach, then the protein wafers or a protein bar keeps me until I can find something better. No footnotes, no references, everything above is my opinion only. And..... I am going to tell you have to tell if the watermelons are ripe, soon. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 I attended a Adelle Davis talk she gave, shortly before her death. She believed strongly in consuming very large amounts of milk. I believe she died of bone cancer, and remember that she told people that she was suspicious that the cause of her cancer was the result of her having gotten a battery of X-rays, and having had to take them a second time, because the first set were useless. - " Wayne Fugitt " <wayne Friday, January 04, 2002 6:57 PM Adell Davis and Early Information > Evening Mindy, > > >What would you say if your favorite nutrition guru got cancer? > >> The reason I ask is because I found out from quackwatch that Adelle > Davis died of cancer, and here I was enjoying her book so much. I > > Just one of her books? I read all of them, and purchased many of each > to give to my friends. However, this was back in the 60's I think. > > We have to remember that nutrition is a new science, it is still in its > infancy. > I think Adelle got carried away with enthuasim and possible wrote her > opinion as cold hard fact, which most of it was. > > As far as her wittings killing someone, I think it was a very young person > whereas some followed her suggestions without reservations or qualifications. > > She was my first idol. I was somewhat turned on by nutrition before I read > all her books. > I think I can give her part of the credit for my good health today. > > I used to mix her " pep up " drink but it did not taste so good. > > After many thousands of hours of study, I don't fine much that disagrees > with most of her theories. > > I am sure that she did millions of times more good to the human race than > she did harm. > > Can you say that of many doctors or federal agencies? <grin> > > >> So now I don't know what to think. How does anyone ever know > >what is true when you have 2 people on either side of the fence > >clamoring loudly. > > Search, Search, and Research and read all the books you can. I had a > book copyrighted in 1927 and now I have one that was a school textbook on > nutrition in 1928. > > We find many times more contradictions today than we did in the days of > Adelle Davis. Just tonight, I read another rebuttal relative to Vitamin C > causing cancer. How many people do you thinks swallowed the story about > Vitamin C causing cancer? > > > >Take protein, for example. You have protein fanatics on one side saying > >that one should eat at least 50 grams of protein a day, and you have > >folks on the vegan side saying that you only need maybe 5 grams a day. > >How do you know which side is right? > > The Greek meaning of " protein " is...... " of first importance " . Unless > some writer fibbed about that too. > > I worry about eating too much protein due to the fact I eat a lot of > trailmix, munch on protein wafers, eat more eggs, and usually get a protein > drink every day. > > Last night I had fried venison, rice and gravy. > > I just had a liver function test, so maybe I have not destroyed it from > overwork due to the protein. Of course we know about the evils of sugars > and other things. I have not read of many people dying of too much protein. > > I certainly don't think anyone can stay healthy on 5 grams of protein > per day. Often I have 30 to 50 grams by noon. > > Possibly the rules have changed, but I have in mind an old one, > 1 gram of protein per kg of body weight. Fat has no protein requirement. > If one is carrying around 30 to 50 lb of fat, this will not be considered > when calculating this requirement. > > I don't calculate it. When I get hungry, I look for protein first or > fruit. It this is not within reach, then the protein wafers or a protein > bar keeps me until I can find something better. > > No footnotes, no references, everything above is my opinion only. > > And..... I am going to tell you have to tell if the watermelons are > ripe, soon. > > Wayne > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 - " John Polifronio " <counterpnt Friday, January 04, 2002 9:07 PM Re: Adell Davis and Early Information > I attended a Adelle Davis talk she gave, shortly before her death. She > believed strongly in consuming very large amounts of milk. I believe she > died of bone cancer, and remember that she told people that she was > suspicious that the cause of her cancer was the result of her having gotten > a battery of X-rays, and having had to take them a second time, because the > first set were useless. Something I recently read on a site I was looking thu from an URL posted on this group (sorry, no link handy at the moment) stated that increase in cancers in the population is correlated with increase in diesel burning trucks. That may be an over-simplification, but I do feel cancer is related to far more than diet. Yes, diet is important, but so are many environmental factors. SO it is sometimes hard to judge exactly where ill health comes from. I sure wish it was as easy as eating correctly to live to be a vibrant 150, but the signposts are not so clearly marked. Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 do you think it is possible that preservatives in food cause cancer? Donna In a message dated 1/5/02 9:39:33 AM, ron writes: << Hi Alobar, I think that you are correct. I do not believe that food (any food) CAUSES cancer. Viruses, >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 Hi Alobar, I think that you are correct. I do not believe that food (any food) CAUSES cancer. Viruses, bacteria cause cancer. Of course a " bad " diet can make a susceptible person vulnerable but lots and lots of people eat atrociously and never get cancer. They may not experience the degree of well being that they could have if they ate a little better but I repeat FOOD does not cause cancer. Please correct me if i'm wrong. Ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > Alobar > 1/5/2002 12:29:21 AM > Gettingwell > Re: Adell Davis and Early Information > - > > " John Polifronio " > > To: > > Friday, January 04, 2002 9:07 PM > > Re: Adell Davis and Early Information > > > > > > > I attended a Adelle Davis talk she gave, shortly before her death. She > > > believed strongly in consuming very large amounts of milk. I believe she > > > died of bone cancer, and remember that she told people that she was > > > suspicious that the cause of her cancer was the result of her having > > gotten > > > a battery of X-rays, and having had to take them a second time, because > > the > > > first set were useless. > > > > Something I recently read on a site I was looking thu > from an URL > > posted on this group (sorry, no link handy at the moment) stated that > > increase in cancers in the population is correlated with increase in diesel > > burning trucks. That may be an over-simplification, but I do feel cancer is > > related to far more than diet. Yes, diet is important, but so are many > > environmental factors. SO it is sometimes hard to judge exactly where ill > > health comes from. I sure wish it was as easy as eating correctly to live > > to be a vibrant 150, but the signposts are not so clearly marked. > > > > Alobar > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 In a message dated 5/1/02 13:39:33 GMT Standard Time, ron writes: Stress can also cause cancer. Marianne > Viruses, bacteria cause cancer. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 Yes in sensitive people. I guess for the sake of discussion we have to define " food " . Ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > dfnewman > 1/5/2002 9:25:07 AM > Gettingwell > Re: Adell Davis and Early Information > > > > > > do you think it is possible that preservatives in food cause cancer? > > Donna > > > > > > In a message dated 1/5/02 9:39:33 AM, ron writes: > > > > << Hi Alobar, > > I think that you are correct. I do not believe that food (any food) > > CAUSES cancer. > > Viruses, >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 - " the desert_rat " <ron Saturday, January 05, 2002 7:30 AM Re: Adell Davis and Early Information > Hi Alobar, > I think that you are correct. I do not believe that food (any food) > CAUSES cancer. > Viruses, bacteria cause cancer. > Of course a " bad " diet can make a susceptible person vulnerable but lots > and lots of people eat atrociously > and never get cancer. They may not experience the degree of well being > that they could have if they ate a little better but I repeat FOOD does > not cause cancer. > > Please correct me if i'm wrong. > > Ron I am not real sure about that. In some instances of disease, it is real clear that a bacteria or virus is the major culprit. But in other diseases, it looks to me like the bacteria or virus may be getting a bum rap. Let me take a divergence here before I get back to cancer. I came across the concept of an " opportunistic infection " a while back while looking into HIV/AIDS connection.n It goes something like this -- if someone is way out of balance (bad immune system, mineral deficiency, etc.) an otherwise harmless organism will begin to proliferate because the body is throwing off stuff which the opportunistic bug can feed on. The person may die, but the opportunistic infection is not really the cause. Killing off the opportunistic bacteria or viruses will not cure the person because the real cause is in the person's system being out of whack or being malnourished. I have seen enough to believe that the medical establishment has labeled HIV as the cause for AIDS with no hard proof. Not saying AIDS is definitely not caused by HIV. Just saying that there is no hard proof. AIDS was originally labeled a " syndrome " (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome) because it is a collection of symptoms with no specific cause. It may be that AIDS can be caused by a dozen (or more) conditions & maybe only some (if any) are viral in origin. Take tuberculosis, for instance. These days, the docs can look at diseased tissue for the presence of a particular bacteria & declare what is or what is not tuberculosis. But if one does not have a microscope, there are other conditions which look like tuberculosis -- and used to be given the same name in medical textbooks. Some the spontaneous generation researchers once sewed some dead meat into a healthy organism & tuberculosis-like lesions developed. No tuberculosis bacteria present. They used that as " proof " that disease arises spontaneously. What I see that means is that the symptoms of a particular degeneration may be caused by many different means. Back to cancer. I have no hard evidence here, just conjecture. But it seems to me that cancer is a set of symptoms which can be triggered in several ways. There are chemicals which are carcinogenic. There are lifestyles which weaken the body or deprive it of needed trace chemicals which can possibly cause cancer to arise from within the body. And there are also viruses or bacteria. Now-- whether those bacteria/viruses are a " cause " or an " opportunistic infection " (or perhaps sometimes one & sometimes the other, depending on the particular micro bug) is beyond my understanding. I suspect cancer is related to all the various things I talk about above. The indignities one heaps upon ones body are cumulative. If one lives in a dirty city that adds " hit points " . If one smokes, that adds different hit points. If one has a diet which deprives the body of certain needed nutrients, that adds yet different hit points. And possibly once can get different hit points by being exposed to certain bacteria or virus. Ideally, I would live on a mountain in the country & grow all my own food. But that is not feasible. I need to work in the city surrounded by people who may be carrying all sorts of bugs. So I try to eat the healthiest diet I can discover (an on-going process) but which I also find palatable & affordable, I do not smoke or hang out with smokers indoors, I try to get plenty of sleep & exercise, and I take supplements. No idea if I can avoid the growing epidemic of cancers. I just do what seems best & we will see what happens. Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 - <dfnewman Saturday, January 05, 2002 8:25 AM Re: Adell Davis and Early Information > do you think it is possible that preservatives in food cause cancer? > Donna > I think there is a wide spectrum. On the one end we have chemicals known to be carcinogenic is small quantities. Some coal tars are an example of that. On the other end are foods we have eaten for a hundred thousand years with no problems. Then we have all the " new " stuff we eat. There is often no clear evidence one way or the other because we have not been eating them for enough generations to know if they are dangerous & if so, how dangerous. I would put these chemicals somewhere in the middle of the spectrum & label them " dubious " . Most preservatives, food colorings, texturized veggie (soy) protein, etc. Then there are chemicals which used to be in short supply, but which we now eat lots of. Salt is in that category. A long time ago, my cousin Curtis (the first " health nut " I ever met) said that cancers increased in Africa as the whitemen introduced salt to inland tribes which had very little salt. Sodium is needed, but us humans eat far more than most of our ancestors (except the peoples living along an ocean). So I cannot for sure say what can cause cancer, but I do avoid most all prepared foods & sauces because I am avoiding preservatives, sugar (corn syrup, etc), TVP (texturized vegetable protein), artificial flavors, artificial coloring agents, etc. Not just for possible cancer connections, but because I do not think this stuff is good for me in huge quantities for many reasons. Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 In a message dated 6/1/02 16:39:31 GMT Standard Time, joguest writes: Now this is frightening and thank you for sharing it with us. Marianne > ! Did you know that it takes 37 days for one pat of margarine to > be assimilated by the body? According to Ruth Swope that is the case! > It just lays there since the body can't decide what to do with it and > since it can't identify it signals the body to store it as fat! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 In a message dated 6/1/02 16:48:16 GMT Standard Time, joguest writes: JoAnn - howdy, is that high red meat consumption including organic? I cannot afford a lot of organic chicken/turkey it is very expensive here. I could have purchased 3 or 4 supermarket turkeys for the price of one very small organic turkey. i.e the organic Turkey was UKP34.00 and I could purchase one from the supermarket for UKP8 - UKP10. I do not eat lots of meat per sitting but most days it will be beef or lamb. Until I started on your regime of supplements, I was also constipated and I have had a lot of stress in my life - mainly my nature that causes me to worry about everything!!! Marianne. > Contributing factors are high red meat consumption (dioxins), stress > and constipation. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 In a message dated 6/1/02 18:01:54 GMT Standard Time, alobar writes: We also get a lot of NZ lamb here - but I would really like to stick with the organic and if that means that I have to eat less then so be it. Marianne > Then comes beef. Pork & > lamb probably have the least toxins. Particularly since we get a lot of > New Zealand lamb here. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 In a message dated 6/1/02 18:11:29 GMT Standard Time, joguest writes: Thanks - I am thinking of trying the charcoal test to see how good my diet/exercise regime is now. Marianne I'm glad to hear that you're a regular person now! <grin> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 --- Alobar, Greetings! Was this before the onslaught of Bovine Growth Hormones? Milk was a healthy food previously. :-) Free Radicals are a major factor I agree. " Alobar " <alobar@b...> wrote: > > - > " John Polifronio " <counterpnt@e...> > <Gettingwell> > Friday, January 04, 2002 9:07 PM > Re: Adell Davis and Early Information > > > > I attended a Adelle Davis talk she gave, shortly before her death. She > > believed strongly in consuming very large amounts of milk. I believe she > > died of bone cancer, and remember that she told people that she was > > suspicious that the cause of her cancer was the result of her having > gotten > > a battery of X-rays, and having had to take them a second time, because > the > > first set were useless. > > Something I recently read on a site I was looking thu from an URL > posted on this group (sorry, no link handy at the moment) stated that > increase in cancers in the population is correlated with increase in diesel > burning trucks. That may be an over-simplification, but I do feel cancer is > related to far more than diet. Yes, diet is important, but so are many > environmental factors. SO it is sometimes hard to judge exactly where ill > health comes from. I sure wish it was as easy as eating correctly to live > to be a vibrant 150, but the signposts are not so clearly marked. > > Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 --- Donna, Oh definitely! Childhood leukemia and brain tumors/cancer has been linked to nitrates/nitrites in hotdogs and lunchmeat. All food additives, including Aspartame end up in your liver never to leave! Certainly every natural health book I've ever read links these things to cancer, autoimmune disease and many other illnesses (including arthritis, HBP and others. That's basically why the processing foods contributes to illness in our country. When we start eating the way our creator intended, the healing process starts!! Mary Ruth Swope, renowned nutritionist, relates... " when we eat these unnatural food additives, our body starts immediately to try to " identify " it to start the digestive process! However it soon finds out this isn't possible. For protection against this foreign substance the immune system kicks in to defend the body against this " foreign " object! This invaribly overworks the immune system and in that way renders it useless to fight the actual diseases as they occur! Did you know that it takes 37 days for one pat of margarine to be assimilated by the body? According to Ruth Swope that is the case! It just lays there since the body can't decide what to do with it and since it can't identify it signals the body to store it as fat! I just wanted to share that and your post brought it back to memory. Thanks for the incentive!! Hugs, JoAnn JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html for digestion. dfnewman@a... wrote: > do you think it is possible that preservatives in food cause cancer? > Donna > > > In a message dated 1/5/02 9:39:33 AM, ron@m... writes: > > << Hi Alobar, > I think that you are correct. I do not believe that food (any food) > CAUSES cancer. > Viruses, >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 --- Marianne, Greetings! Simply put...Cancer is a complete breakdown of the immune system since all healing ultimately comes from the immune system...if it's going to come at all! :-) Contributing factors are high red meat consumption (dioxins), stress and constipation. marianne2406@a... wrote: > In a message dated 5/1/02 13:39:33 GMT Standard Time, ron@m... > writes: > > Stress can also cause cancer. > > Marianne > > > Viruses, bacteria cause cancer. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 - <marianne2406 Sunday, January 06, 2002 11:34 AM Re: Re: Adell Davis and Early Information > In a message dated 6/1/02 16:39:31 GMT Standard Time, joguest > writes: > > Now this is frightening and thank you for sharing it with us. > Marianne > > > ! Did you know that it takes 37 days for one pat of margarine to > > be assimilated by the body? According to Ruth Swope that is the case! > > It just lays there since the body can't decide what to do with it and > > since it can't identify it signals the body to store it as fat! > > > An old friend of mine once suggested an experiment. It is not real scientific, but it demonstrates a point. Take a pat of butter & a pat of margarine & put them on paper plates. Put the plates out on the windowsill of a ground floor window facing away from the sun in warm weather. Observe the pats of butter on & off over the next month. The butter will go moldy & /or be eaten by birds or squirrels. What is left, the bugs will find & devour. The margarine will remain untouched by all the critters. My friend went on to say " if the other animals don't want it & the bugs don't want it, and even the mold don't want it, then why should I want it! " Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 - <marianne2406 Sunday, January 06, 2002 11:40 AM Re: Re: Adell Davis and Early Information > In a message dated 6/1/02 16:48:16 GMT Standard Time, joguest > writes: > > JoAnn - howdy, is that high red meat consumption including organic? I cannot > afford a lot of organic chicken/turkey it is very expensive here. I could > have purchased 3 or 4 supermarket turkeys for the price of one very small > organic turkey. i.e the organic Turkey was UKP34.00 and I could purchase one > from the supermarket for UKP8 - UKP10. I do not eat lots of meat per sitting > but most days it will be beef or lamb. Until I started on your regime of > supplements, I was also constipated and I have had a lot of stress in my life > - mainly my nature that causes me to worry about everything!!! > Marianne. > > > Contributing factors are high red meat consumption (dioxins), stress > > and constipation. > > My income is seasonal & sometimes I do not have enough money for all organic meat either. I have no hard facts to go on, but from what I have been able to glean, some meats are far more toxic than others here in the US. Turkeys are the worst, followed by chickens. Then comes beef. Pork & lamb probably have the least toxins. Particularly since we get a lot of New Zealand lamb here. Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 ---Marianne, Actually I don't think the Organic red meats are implicated in that report. My daughterinlaw and I both eat the Laura's beef (organic) w/o a problem... the toxins should be removed from that as well as the Bovine hormones. I sometimes eat it 3 or more times weekly. It hasn't brought back any symptoms so far. So far, so good! LOL I'm glad to hear that you're a regular person now! <grin> Hugs, JoAnn marianne2406@a... wrote: > In a message dated 6/1/02 16:48:16 GMT Standard Time, joguest@m... > writes: > > JoAnn - howdy, is that high red meat consumption including organic? I cannot > afford a lot of organic chicken/turkey it is very expensive here. I could > have purchased 3 or 4 supermarket turkeys for the price of one very small > organic turkey. i.e the organic Turkey was UKP34.00 and I could purchase one > from the supermarket for UKP8 - UKP10. I do not eat lots of meat per sitting > but most days it will be beef or lamb. Until I started on your regime of > supplements, I was also constipated and I have had a lot of stress in my life > - mainly my nature that causes me to worry about everything!!! > Marianne. > > > Contributing factors are high red meat consumption (dioxins), stress > > and constipation. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 Alobar, Great minds run in the same channels. Geez, how crazy can humans be.... or should I say, how crazy can food manufacturers be? Seems that I read that from a book authored by Udo Erasmus. So true isn't it. " Alobar " <alobar@b...> wrote: > > - > <marianne2406@a...> > <Gettingwell> > Sunday, January 06, 2002 11:34 AM > Re: Re: Adell Davis and Early Information > > > > In a message dated 6/1/02 16:39:31 GMT Standard Time, > joguest@m... > > writes: > > > > Now this is frightening and thank you for sharing it with us. > > Marianne > > > > > ! Did you know that it takes 37 days for one pat of margarine to > > > be assimilated by the body? According to Ruth Swope that is the case! > > > It just lays there since the body can't decide what to do with it and > > > since it can't identify it signals the body to store it as fat! > > > > > > An old friend of mine once suggested an experiment. It is not real > scientific, but it demonstrates a point. Take a pat of butter & a pat of > margarine & put them on paper plates. Put the plates out on the windowsill > of a ground floor window facing away from the sun in warm weather. Observe > the pats of butter on & off over the next month. The butter will go moldy > & /or be eaten by birds or squirrels. What is left, the bugs will find & > devour. The margarine will remain untouched by all the critters. My > friend went on to say " if the other animals don't want it & the bugs don't > want it, and even the mold don't want it, then why should I want it! " > > Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 --- Alobar, And turkey is portrayed in the media as the best! What a travesty. I trusted their judgment for years much to my dismay. It has the least saturated fats but otherwise I tend to agree with your analysis of it. The reason I consumed so much...I read that it's high in trytophan! For this reason it is recommended for cancer patients. They haven't a clue, have they? " Alobar " <alobar@b...> wrote: > > - > <marianne2406@a...> > <Gettingwell> > Sunday, January 06, 2002 11:40 AM > Re: Re: Adell Davis and Early Information > > > > In a message dated 6/1/02 16:48:16 GMT Standard Time, > joguest@m... > > writes: > > > > JoAnn - howdy, is that high red meat consumption including organic? I > cannot > > afford a lot of organic chicken/turkey it is very expensive here. I could > > have purchased 3 or 4 supermarket turkeys for the price of one very small > > organic turkey. i.e the organic Turkey was UKP34.00 and I could purchase > one > > from the supermarket for UKP8 - UKP10. I do not eat lots of meat per > sitting > > but most days it will be beef or lamb. Until I started on your regime of > > supplements, I was also constipated and I have had a lot of stress in my > life > > - mainly my nature that causes me to worry about everything!!! > > Marianne. > > > > > Contributing factors are high red meat consumption (dioxins), stress > > > and constipation. > > > > > My income is seasonal & sometimes I do not have enough money for all > organic meat either. I have no hard facts to go on, but from what I have > been able to glean, some meats are far more toxic than others here in the > US. Turkeys are the worst, followed by chickens. Then comes beef. Pork & > lamb probably have the least toxins. Particularly since we get a lot of > New Zealand lamb here. > > Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 what is the charcoal test??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 In a message dated 8/1/02 00:17:07 GMT Standard Time, Peaches14845 writes: Take one charcoal tablet after a meal and see how long before your stools are blackened by the charcoal - that is how long the food has taken to go through your system. For some it has been as long as 48 hours which is very bad - the foot is putrifying in your stomach after about 12 hours I believe. Marianne > what is the charcoal test??? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 In a message dated 8/1/02 14:55:02 GMT Standard Time, ron writes: charcoal is for those of us who cannot drink - I assume you get the same 'signs' from drinking red wine then. Marianne > I always called it " the red wine test " . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 I always called it " the red wine test " . Ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > marianne2406 > 1/8/2002 2:32:17 AM > Gettingwell > Re: Re: Adell Davis and Early Information > > > > > > In a message dated 8/1/02 00:17:07 GMT Standard Time, Peaches14845 > > writes: > > > > Take one charcoal tablet after a meal and see how long before your stools are > > blackened by the charcoal - that is how long the food has taken to go through > > your system. For some it has been as long as 48 hours which is very bad - > > the foot is putrifying in your stomach after about 12 hours I believe. > > Marianne > > > > > what is the charcoal test??? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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