Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 Hi all- Yes, I am full of questions lately, sorry! OK. I have 2 sons, ages 5 and 1. The 5 yr old had a few vaxxes, and has not had any since age 2. My one year old has never had any at all. Well, we love our MD Ped for many reasons. BUT, he is BIG on vaxxes and each time we have a check-up he asks me when I am going to start with vaxxes. He hopes I am just delaying them till a certain point... I have told him my reasons for not wanting to do them at all: -mercury as an ingredient (he says it was removed from ALL vaxxes- is this true?) -the thought of injecting illness into the body (he says it is the lesser of 2 evils) -risk of autism (he says the only reason why some kids get autism after vaxxes is that they were already prone to it and it just is coincidence because autism would kick in for kids prone to it at about 18 months anyway, which is a big vax age) -risk of diabetes (he says that this again is something some people would already get and that here in WA state if you had the PKU you can have that blood tested to see if you have the risk factors for type 1 diabetes) - risk of getting the actual illness from the vax, and it being worse than the actual illness (says this rarely happens) -I had read and heard from people in research and such, that there is aborted fetus matter and the like in vaxxes (he says it is not true) OK. So, can anyone answer to my above concerns and whether the Dr is right with his answers? I trust this Dr, but is HE misinformed? I believe he honestly believes what he is telling me, but there is so much conflicting info out there... Sindea driving Geoff nuts since 1994... family site: http://sindea5.homestead.com/home.html Business sites: www.sindea.net http://www.homestead.com/sindeadoula/doulahome.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 " sindea.horste " wrote: > -mercury as an ingredient (he says it was removed from ALL vaxxes- is this true?) Perhaps the newer ones. But doctors are pressured to use up the stores from the older ones. If you ever do succumb to vax pressure, do write down the name of the vax, name of producer, and lot number, so that you can check your list as " hot lots " come up in the future... ( " hot lots " means that there is a vaccine group known to cause problems) > -the thought of injecting illness into the body (he says it is the lesser of 2 evils) Of course we all disagree with that one. Injecting a poison into the bloodstream is different from allowing it to come into the body through the defense systems such as nasal passages, etc. > -risk of autism (he says the only reason why some kids get autism after vaxxes is that they were already prone to it and it just is coincidence because autism would kick in for kids prone to it at about 18 months anyway, which is a big vax age) Personally, I think there is truth to the " already prone to it " argument. I think that kids who react strongly to vaccines were probably also going to react strongly to the illness itself...yet despite that, it's *still* better to let them get sick on their own if need be. > -risk of diabetes (he says that this again is something some people would already get and that here in WA state if you had the PKU you can have that blood tested to see if you have the risk factors for type 1 diabetes) dunno about that > -I had read and heard from people in research and such, that there is aborted fetus matter and the like in vaxxes (he says it is not true) > Oh but it *is* true, my dear... and if I'm not mistaken, it says so in the vaccine pamphlets. Your doctor did show you the pamphlets that come along with the vaccines for suggested reading for parents, right? OK, well, here's a list of vaccines that were grown in aborted fetal matter *shudder*: Havrix Hepatitis A SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals Biavax Rubella and Mumps Virus Vaccine Live Merck & Co, Inc. MMR Measles Mumps Rubella Live Virus Vaccine Merck & Co., Inc. M-R-Vax Measles and Rubella Virus Vaccine Live Merck & Co., Inc. Meruvax II Rubella Virus Vaccine Live Merck & Co., Inc. Mumpsvax Mumps Virus Vaccine Live Merck & Co., Inc. Imovax Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed Connaught Laboratories Varivax Varicella Virus Vaccine Live Merck & Co., Inc. The rest of the vaccines are all generally made using chicken embryos, yeast, or monkey kidney cells. How nice, huh? > OK. So, can anyone answer to my above concerns and whether the Dr is right with his answers? I trust this Dr, but is HE misinformed? I believe he honestly believes what he is telling me, but there is so much conflicting info out there... He may be right with some answers and wrong with others. It's hard to know... (I know, I'm confused about this too!! :/ ) Mindy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 Ask your doctor to provide you with the Industry-published list of ingredients and side effects of vaccines. Alternatively, your library should have this information, or you can find it on the Web. The use of neurotoxins like mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde should be an early alert for you. The body does not excrete these metals. The contamination-factor should also be a concern, where 100 unknown viruses per dose is considered an acceptable level. What is being injected? How do you feel about human aborted fetal cells in many vaccines? Is this an ethical problem for you? Vaccines are " sacred cows " and questioning them will upset your doctor. Being informed will help you decide. Good Luck! Steve " sindea.horste " wrote: > Hi all- > Yes, I am full of questions lately, sorry! > OK. I have 2 sons, ages 5 and 1. The 5 yr old had a few vaxxes, and > has not had any since age 2. My one year old has never had any at > all. Well, we love our MD Ped for many reasons. BUT, he is BIG on > vaxxes and each time we have a check-up he asks me when I am going to > start with vaxxes. He hopes I am just delaying them till a certain > point... I have told him my reasons for not wanting to do them at > all: > -mercury as an ingredient (he says it was removed from ALL vaxxes- is > this true?) > -the thought of injecting illness into the body (he says it is the > lesser of 2 evils) > -risk of autism (he says the only reason why some kids get autism > after vaxxes is that they were already prone to it and it just is > coincidence because autism would kick in for kids prone to it at about > 18 months anyway, which is a big vax age) > -risk of diabetes (he says that this again is something some people > would already get and that here in WA state if you had the PKU you can > have that blood tested to see if you have the risk factors for type 1 > diabetes) > - risk of getting the actual illness from the vax, and it being worse > than the actual illness (says this rarely happens) > -I had read and heard from people in research and such, that there is > aborted fetus matter and the like in vaxxes (he says it is not true) > > OK. So, can anyone answer to my above concerns and whether the Dr is > right with his answers? I trust this Dr, but is HE misinformed? I > believe he honestly believes what he is telling me, but there is so > much conflicting info out there... > Sindea > driving Geoff nuts since 1994... > > family site: > http://sindea5.homestead.com/home.html > Business sites: > www.sindea.net > http://www.homestead.com/sindeadoula/doulahome.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 he has willingly given me every single one of the ingredient lists....it is taking awhile to read them... thimersol is mercury, right? I have to say the doc is low-key and non-pushy, just asks at the end of well-child appts. I also want to be more informed than I am. I see all the reports sent out, thanks to everyone! Unfortunately when I went to alot of the links within the reports they were defunct. Does anyone know where I can get this info put out by MD's? Or where on the cdc site would it say the ingredients and such? Also, isn't there a national vax reg. somewhere? Sorry if this has all been answered, I am going thru stuff and emailing as I think of things. I am looking for things to bring to the dr next time, and need things that are not opinion based or things that an MD would see as fanatical and things that show fact and cases. thanks so much! ps- we are lucky in WA to have been able to just sign a form for school saying we were not vaxxing for either philosophical or religious and no one blinked an eye! but they do say if there is any kind of 'outbreak' that kids not vaxxed for that illness must stay home... Sindea driving Geoff nuts since 1994... family site: http://sindea5.homestead.com/home.html Business sites: www.sindea.net http://www.homestead.com/sindeadoula/doulahome.html - fmn Gettingwell Friday, January 04, 2002 1:23 PM Re: vax questions Ask your doctor to provide you with the Industry-published list of ingredients and side effects of vaccines. Alternatively, your library should have this information, or you can find it on the Web. The use of neurotoxins like mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde should be an early alert for you. The body does not excrete these metals. The contamination-factor should also be a concern, where 100 unknown viruses per dose is considered an acceptable level. What is being injected? How do you feel about human aborted fetal cells in many vaccines? Is this an ethical problem for you? Vaccines are " sacred cows " and questioning them will upset your doctor. Being informed will help you decide. Good Luck! Steve " sindea.horste " wrote: > Hi all- > Yes, I am full of questions lately, sorry! > OK. I have 2 sons, ages 5 and 1. The 5 yr old had a few vaxxes, and > has not had any since age 2. My one year old has never had any at > all. Well, we love our MD Ped for many reasons. BUT, he is BIG on > vaxxes and each time we have a check-up he asks me when I am going to > start with vaxxes. He hopes I am just delaying them till a certain > point... I have told him my reasons for not wanting to do them at > all: > -mercury as an ingredient (he says it was removed from ALL vaxxes- is > this true?) > -the thought of injecting illness into the body (he says it is the > lesser of 2 evils) > -risk of autism (he says the only reason why some kids get autism > after vaxxes is that they were already prone to it and it just is > coincidence because autism would kick in for kids prone to it at about > 18 months anyway, which is a big vax age) > -risk of diabetes (he says that this again is something some people > would already get and that here in WA state if you had the PKU you can > have that blood tested to see if you have the risk factors for type 1 > diabetes) > - risk of getting the actual illness from the vax, and it being worse > than the actual illness (says this rarely happens) > -I had read and heard from people in research and such, that there is > aborted fetus matter and the like in vaxxes (he says it is not true) > > OK. So, can anyone answer to my above concerns and whether the Dr is > right with his answers? I trust this Dr, but is HE misinformed? I > believe he honestly believes what he is telling me, but there is so > much conflicting info out there... > Sindea > driving Geoff nuts since 1994... > > family site: > http://sindea5.homestead.com/home.html > Business sites: > www.sindea.net > http://www.homestead.com/sindeadoula/doulahome.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 Recently I read something interesting.....government says that an unvacinated child is a health hazard to other kids. Question: if all other kids are vacinated, then the only supposed risk would be to the unvacinated kid, and that is the business of the kids parents, not government. francie Gettingwell, " sindea.horste " <sindea.horste@v...> wrote: > Hi all- > Yes, I am full of questions lately, sorry! > OK. I have 2 sons, ages 5 and 1. The 5 yr old had a few vaxxes, and has not had any since age 2. My one year old has never had any at all. Well, we love our MD Ped for many reasons. BUT, he is BIG on vaxxes and each time we have a check-up he asks me when I am going to start with vaxxes. He hopes I am just delaying them till a certain point... I have told him my reasons for not wanting to do them at all: > -mercury as an ingredient (he says it was removed from ALL vaxxes- is this true?) > -the thought of injecting illness into the body (he says it is the lesser of 2 evils) > -risk of autism (he says the only reason why some kids get autism after vaxxes is that they were already prone to it and it just is coincidence because autism would kick in for kids prone to it at about 18 months anyway, which is a big vax age) > -risk of diabetes (he says that this again is something some people would already get and that here in WA state if you had the PKU you can have that blood tested to see if you have the risk factors for type 1 diabetes) > - risk of getting the actual illness from the vax, and it being worse than the actual illness (says this rarely happens) > -I had read and heard from people in research and such, that there is aborted fetus matter and the like in vaxxes (he says it is not true) > > OK. So, can anyone answer to my above concerns and whether the Dr is right with his answers? I trust this Dr, but is HE misinformed? I believe he honestly believes what he is telling me, but there is so much conflicting info out there... > Sindea > driving Geoff nuts since 1994... > > family site: > http://sindea5.homestead.com/home.html > Business sites: > www.sindea.net > http://www.homestead.com/sindeadoula/doulahome.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 - " Mindy Behymer " <mindy Friday, January 04, 2002 3:20 PM Re: vax questions > " sindea.horste " wrote: > > OK. So, can anyone answer to my above concerns and whether the Dr is right with his answers? I trust this Dr, but is HE misinformed? I believe he honestly believes what he is telling me, but there is so much conflicting info out there... > > He may be right with some answers and wrong with others. It's hard to know... (I know, I'm confused about this too!! :/ ) > > Mindy I have been thinking a lot about vaccinations. I have read a lot & hurt my head trying to integrate both sides of the controversy. I do not pretend to have any hard answers. But I do have some conjectures. I think people eating a relatively healthy diet & living in conditions of good public health (clean water, no open sewers, no people dying in the streets) are better off with no vaccinations because the risks outweigh the benefits. On the other side of the coin are people who have poor nutrition, poor public health, unable to obtain good food, etc. are at very high risk of epidemic & might be better off being vaccinated for any local plagues which are killing people. But the situation quickly becomes complicated. Many people in " advanced " countries are on prescription drugs, and take far too many antibiotics. Their systems have been fried by putting poisons into their systems on a regular basis for years. IMO, these folks fall into the middle-ground. Should they take c\vaccinations? I have no idea. Ideally, I would like to see folks wean themselves away from doctor prescribed poisons, but I also know that is a complicated & difficult task. Some would die without medical support & others have not yet figured out how to put their bodies back into balance without the drugs. Others have no interest in figuring out their own path to well-being. So getting them off the doctors' meds would not help them one bit. Whether to accept vaccination or not is a tricky question & must be answered for each person themselves (or for each person's kids). But I know that (for me) the question is straightforward. So long as I can keep away from scrip drugs, eat good food & drink purified water, I feel much safer with no vaccinations -- even if people start dying around me. Vaccinations against non-lethal childhood illnesses seems to me to be rather dangerous (considering the complications). The diseases themselves aren't that bad if one has the resources to care for a sick kid. I had whooping cough as a kid. Not fun while I had it, but it did not hurt me in any way I can figure out. My Mom had Scarlet Fever in her 30s. She lived until over 80 with no debilities until the last 3 years of her life. Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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