Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 Evening Greg, >>Coconut oil processed from copra is heated either by the sun or industrial >>heaters and can result in mould growth and the presence of the deadly >>aflatoxin. I question that aflatoxin is deadly. Possibly it is harmful and even damaging to some people. The opinion is that is exists in all peanuts. I have known a number of people that eat a lot of raw peanuts, me included. Many of these people lived to be 80 or 90 years old. Some of them, over 90. Possibly this contribute to their death, possibly not. More likely, it contributed to them living as long as they did. My mother lived to 91.5. Here is one clip that indicates a few people have reservations about calling it " deadly " . That term is spooky to me also. The blocks below certainly do not support the idea that aflatoxin is harmless, but they do cast a little doubt that aflatoxin is as deadly as some believe. Aflatoxin in Liver Cancer Although there are individual researchers who are not convinced that aflatoxin is a carcinogen in man, the recent realization of just how important the vitaletheine modulators are to the immune system's ability to fight off cancer indicates otherwise. It is true that infection with hepatitis B virus seems to have a stronger correlation with the incidence of liver cancer than does exposure to aflatoxins in our foodstuffs. However, suppression of vitaletheine modulator-mediated immune responses by aflatoxin consumed in contaminated food by the general population may have a profound effect upon the epidemiology of hepatitis B viral infections, as well as upon risks for other types of infectious disease such as hantavirus, ebola, tuberculosis, cancer, AIDS, etc.. In this regard it is probably critical to the general health of the public that aflatoxins, known to be carcinogenic in laboratory animals, be minimized in our diets, especially when the biosynthesis of the vitaletheine modulators are otherwise compromised by dietary deficiencies and by exposure to other environmental toxins and carcinogens. Here is another interesting block..... Among the aflatoxins, the structure of Q1 presents some interesting chemistry that may explain its relatively low carcinogenic potential. Because it is hydroxylated at a position in conjugation with the most likely site for thioalkylation with vitaletheine, this aflatoxin may be able to rearrange and spontaneously liberate vitaletheine so trapped. As a consequence of this, aflatoxin Q1 would be expected to be less carcinogenic than B1, just as ascorbate is less toxic than dimedone. The link that contains this and much more information... http://www.highfiber.com/~galenvtp/vtlafltx.htm I have been eating raw peanuts all my life. Surely I have been exposed to aflatoxin. What I am leading up to is even more concern relative to mold, fungus, and similar toxins. I just finished reading a book titled " Sick and Tired " by Dr. Robert O. Young. The book contains a wealth of information not related to this subject. He does however make a strong case of us being overrun with these toxins. In addition to peanuts, I eat a lot of trailmix that comes from many sources. No doubt all of these nuts and seeds contain some mold and fungus. Could these not be killed by exposure to infrared light, or maybe even placing the different materials in the direct sunlight for a time. As soon as I learn more about using my microscope, I hope to be able to identify a few of these things we worry about so much. Until then, must I fast or keep eating the raw seeds and nuts? The more we learn, the more confused we get. Wayne .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 - " Wayne Fugitt " <wayne Saturday, December 29, 2001 11:39 AM Deadly Aflatoxin > In addition to peanuts, I eat a lot of trailmix that comes from many > sources. No doubt all of these nuts and seeds contain some mold and fungus. Hi Wayne, Eat all the nuts you like, just don't eat mouldy ones & hope the nut processors screen them out as well. I buy fresh ground peanut paste & watch it being ground. That way you know what has gone into it! I suggest you do a goggle search on aflatoxin. It is a bigger problem than you may believe. ======================== Good Health & Long Life, Greg Watson, gowatson USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/ PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe Patch file for above http://www.walford.com/download/dwidp67u.exe KIM (omega analysis) http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 - " Wayne Fugitt " <wayne Saturday, December 29, 2001 11:39 AM Deadly Aflatoxin > I question that aflatoxin is deadly. Possibly it is harmful and even > damaging to some people. Hi Wayne, Please read this: http://www.niehs.nih.gov/envgenom/abstract/p01-6052.htm and this: Aflatoxins in Your Food - and their Effect on Your Health http://www.ehso.com/ehshome/Aflatoxin.htm " More importantly, research supported by our institute has provided clear evidence that aflatoxin ingestion through contaminated foodstuffs is one of the major etiological factors in human hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC) in China and sub-Saharan Africa. In certain regions of these countries, at least 250,000 deaths from HCC occur annually " ======================== Good Health & Long Life, Greg Watson, gowatson USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/ PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe Patch file for above http://www.walford.com/download/dwidp67u.exe KIM (omega analysis) http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 Evening Greg, Thanks for the info and the links. ><http://www.niehs.nih.gov/envgenom/abstract/p01-6052.htm>http://www.niehs.nih.g\ ov/envgenom/abstract/p01-6052.htm > >http://www.ehso.com/ehshome/Aflatoxin.htm > I did in fact read these articles, and some of the sub link articles. I still find a few , if's , and's and but's mixed in with the facts. There is some suggestions that the human body can, in some cases, detoxify aflatoxin. Possibly, I am not seeing the forest for the trees. > " More importantly, research supported by our institute has provided clear >evidence that aflatoxin ingestion through >contaminated foodstuffs is one of the major etiological factors in human >hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC) in China and sub-Saharan Africa. In certain >regions of these countries, at least 250,000 deaths from HCC occur annually " This must be worse in other countries due to the health condition of the people, or due to missing nutrients in their diet. The FDA and USDA may be doing a good job controlling aflatoxin. Yet the FDA says it is impossible and impractical to keep this out of foods. The ppb numbers were interesting. The fact this it is near impossible to get accurate test on large volumes of grain, ect was something to be concerned about. As you stated, and I read other places, one must be very watchful for molded grains and nuts. Before I became aware of this, I used to eat the molded peanuts and would be fascinated by the different tastes of the molded ones. Some would be bitter, others would be sweet, some would be in between, and a few..... I could not stand the taste and would have to spit them out. That must have been the very bad ones. I realize now, that was not a wise thing to do. However, I am sure no wild animal would cull a food just because it had a little mold on it. This must be part of the population control methods, only the fittest survive. You have changed my thinking and I will be more careful in the future. I did find some nice pictures made with an electron microscope. I saved these for future reference. Maybe one day I can actually see the real thing. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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