Guest guest Posted December 27, 2001 Report Share Posted December 27, 2001 I have been living with hiv and hcv since 1995 and been on meds for that period of time. I've recovered from a seizure and near death experience, which was caused by over medication!! (interferion) My hep c is in stage 3; that's out of 4.....meaning I have some fibrosis! Can you give me some advice on this subject, as in what should I be taken to fight these diseases without meds? Is it possible and how. I also suffer from sleepless insomnia! Thanks for having a group that provides information like yours! And hope these questions are not over board! sincerely sh_ane66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 If you are not already familiar with lauric acid for reducing the viral count of hiv you might want to look at : http://www.coconut-info.com/ and click on the hiv url. _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > sh_ane66 > 12/27/2001 9:55:44 PM > Gettingwell > hiv and hcv > > > > > > I have been living with hiv and hcv since 1995 and been on meds for > > that period of time. I've recovered from a seizure and near death > > experience, which was caused by over medication!! (interferion) My > > hep c is in stage 3; that's out of 4.....meaning I have some > > fibrosis! Can you give me some advice on this subject, as in what > > should I be taken to fight these diseases without meds? Is it > > possible and how. I also suffer from sleepless insomnia! Thanks > > for having a group that provides information like yours! And hope > > these questions are not over board! sincerely sh_ane66 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 ---Hello! Greetings! My book of herbal references states that Pau'd Arco and Red Clover are helpful for eliminating HIV. They are also good for certain types of Cancer. If I were plagued with this disease (HIV) I think I would also include Sarsparilla! This herb is excellent in reversing Syphilis and other types of venereal disease. Is HIV considered an autoimmune disease? If classified as such there would be other things you can do to build up your immune system. There is a website also. If you're interested email me personally as I'm not sure that she would want it made public. The AMA is on the warpath in that respect you know. Listing the Hepatitis herbs in a separate post Wishing you the best! JoAnn JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html In Gettingwell, " sh_ane66 " <sh_ane66> wrote: > I have been living with hiv and hcv since 1995 and been on meds for > that period of time. I've recovered from a seizure and near death > experience, which was caused by over medication!! (interferion) My > hep c is in stage 3; that's out of 4.....meaning I have some > fibrosis! Can you give me some advice on this subject, as in what > should I be taken to fight these diseases without meds? Is it > possible and how. I also suffer from sleepless insomnia! Thanks > for having a group that provides information like yours! And hope > these questions are not over board! sincerely sh_ane66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 Hi! You may like to investigate Chinese Herbal Medicine, which has been in use with HIV since the beginning of the epidemic. There's a fair amount of data available, & conferences on the subject. In my city, we did clinical trials with concentrated herbal extracts. While no cure, it was very useful in many respects. The formulas we used were based on herbal compounds used in China for hepatitis. There's also a few herbal compounds (pills) available cheaply for insomnia, if you have a Chinese herbal dispensary in your area. You may also like to check the Web for a group of HCV patients who are self-treating with an old fashioned treatment: Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation Therapy (photo-oxidation). We have a trial here with the treatment, which passes 5% of blood past a U.V. light, returning it to the body. Our results are O.K., but we've seen improvements in viral load, and a general trend which is positive, but still modest. Treatment takes 5 - 10 minutes. There's a fair amount of literature on this 1940's technology from that era. U.V. treatment was dropped when antibiotics showed up for the first time. Good luck with your search! Steve sh_ane66 wrote: > I have been living with hiv and hcv since 1995 and been on meds for > that period of time. I've recovered from a seizure and near death > experience, which was caused by over medication!! (interferion) My > hep c is in stage 3; that's out of 4.....meaning I have some > fibrosis! Can you give me some advice on this subject, as in what > should I be taken to fight these diseases without meds? Is it > possible and how. I also suffer from sleepless insomnia! Thanks > for having a group that provides information like yours! And hope > these questions are not over board! sincerely sh_ane66 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2001 Report Share Posted December 30, 2001 > Is HIV considered an autoimmune disease? This is interesting . I was thinking of this the other day and why the medical society has labeled HIV a sexually transmitted disease. As a true definition, sexual diseases are transfered through sex or sharing of sexual fluids, and usually affect the reproductive organs. Aids, on the other hand, are transmitted through any form of fluid and affect the whole body, particulaly the immune system Erin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 .....thank you! fmn <fmn wrote: Hi! You may like to investigate Chinese Herbal Medicine, which has been in use with HIV since the beginning of the epidemic. There's a fair amount of data available, & conferences on the subject. In my city, we did clinical trials with concentrated herbal extracts. While no cure, it was very useful in many respects. The formulas we used were based on herbal compounds used in China for hepatitis. There's also a few herbal compounds (pills) available cheaply for insomnia, if you have a Chinese herbal dispensary in your area. You may also like to check the Web for a group of HCV patients who are self-treating with an old fashioned treatment: Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation Therapy (photo-oxidation). We have a trial here with the treatment, which passes 5% of blood past a U.V. light, returning it to the body. Our results are O.K., but we've seen improvements in viral load, and a general trend which is positive, but still modest. Treatment takes 5 - 10 minutes. There's a fair amount of literature on this 1940's technology from that era. U.V. treatment was dropped when antibiotics showed up for the first time. Good luck with your search! Steve sh_ane66 wrote: > I have been living with hiv and hcv since 1995 and been on meds for > that period of time. I've recovered from a seizure and near death > experience, which was caused by over medication!! (interferion) My > hep c is in stage 3; that's out of 4.....meaning I have some > fibrosis! Can you give me some advice on this subject, as in what > should I be taken to fight these diseases without meds? Is it > possible and how. I also suffer from sleepless insomnia! Thanks > for having a group that provides information like yours! And hope > these questions are not over board! sincerely sh_ane66 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 - <ErinGJ80 Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:38 AM Re: Re: hiv and hcv > > > > Is HIV considered an autoimmune disease? > > This is interesting . I was thinking of this the other day and why the > medical society has labeled HIV a sexually transmitted disease. As a true > definition, sexual diseases are transfered through sex or sharing of sexual > fluids, and usually affect the reproductive organs. Aids, on the other hand, > are transmitted through any form of fluid and affect the whole body, > particulaly the immune system > > Erin > It is interesting to me that the medical establishment has declared HIV to be the causative organism in AIDS with no scientific proof. At this point, (IMO) it is just conjecture as to whether HIV causes anything, or is simply an opportunistic infection. See: http://www.duesberg.com/ and the quote below. [i nabbed the quote back in 1998 without the referring URL. I apologize for my sloppy footnote.] Alobar ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kary Mullis is the 1993 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry. He is a superbly gifted entertainer, with a wonderfully expressive voice, a perfect sense of timing, charisma, and a sense of humor that is both zany and analytical. The first part of his talk dealt with the enigma: Why is there no monograph which marshals all of the arguments in favor of the HIV-AIDS hypothesis, and which replies to the criticisms that have been raised by Peter Duesberg and others? Mullis was writing a report on the use of PCR for HIV, when he came across the phrase, " HIV is the probably cause of AIDS " . In his own words: I asked the guy sitting beside me, " What is the support for that, what's the reference? " And he said, " You don't need a reference, everybody knows that. " I assumed there must be such a reference, and that there might be a controversy over who got credit for it, because I was under the impression that Gallo and Montagnier might have been fighting over who had first shown that HIV was the cause of AIDS.... I went back over their early papers, and found that neither of them had shown that HIV was the probable cause of AIDS. I was running into a lot of people who were doing AIDS research, and every time somebody would give a talk, I'd go up to them afterwards and ask politely: Who I should quote -- was there a paper or a review that I should quote for that statement? It seemed like a perfectly reasonable question to ask. Some people took offence. Most people said the same thing: " But everybody knows, you don't have to prove it. " Well, you know, everybody knows the sequence [of a certain chemical], but they also know where to find the references. And I started getting uncomfortable with the fact that nobody seemed to know. So I changed the question to, " When did you, personally, become convinced that HIV is the probable cause of AIDS? (I mean, you're working on it as though you are.) [laughter] What papers did you read? " And they'd say, " I've got it in my office. " And I'd say, " Would you send me the titles, so I can look them up. " ... [They never did.] And some would say, " Read the CDC report. " So I got that and looked through it, and said to myself, " Now the CDC doesn't get credit-they didn't do the experiments to demonstrate that HIV is the probable cause of AIDS. " And then finally, Luc Montagnier came to San Diego, and gave a talk, and I thought, this guy will know. [laughter] After the meeting I asked him, and he first mentioned the CDC report, and I said I had already looked at it, that it wasn't what I was looking for-that I wanted a scientific paper that would support the notion that HIV is the probable cause of AIDS, not the consensus of a bunch of people who'd already begun looking at it. He said, " Well, let's see ... " (and there was a little knot of people around us at that point, thinking, the man must have an answer to that question), and he said, " Why don't you quote the SIV work? " And I said to myself, " Oh my god! There really isn't such a paper, there can't be, or he wouldn't have to refer ... to a virus that might kill a monkey ... to illustrate the probability that HIV is the cause of AIDS! " Mullis described his hearing and then meeting Peter Duesberg, and his entry into the ranks of HIV-skeptics. The remainder of his talk consisted of a half-serious, half-facetious description of " another hypothesis, that has no experimental support. " His " interesting hypothetical disease " is a variation of the " immune overload " hypothesis, the idea being that infection with millions of *different* microbes, through contact with thousands of people, who each had contact with thousands of people, might lead to a breakdown of the immune system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 Guys! Be very cautious about Peter Duesberg! He's professionally credible, but was among those involved in development of the biological warfare agent we now call HIV. Check out Len Horrowitz's books ( & website), and Boyd Graves ( & website), whose painstaking research of U.S. government documents provide evidence that AIDS was requested by the U.S. military. Graves' " flow chart " , where the initial request, research contracts, names of persons, universities, and private industries involved, and publication of research findings is all there, impossible to argue against. Duesberg's involvement makes him a probable disinformant. He's always said HIV isn't the cause of AIDS, a half-truth which has kept us chasing our tails for years. Horrowitz & Graves show a visna virus and mycoplasma were combined to produce an infectious agent nature wouldn't have encountered before, and no natural immunity likely. May the Lords of Karma visit all these people involved with the fruits of their actions! Steve Alobar wrote: > > - > <ErinGJ80 > > Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:38 AM > Re: Re: hiv and hcv > > > > > > > > > Is HIV considered an autoimmune disease? > > > > This is interesting . I was thinking of this the other day and why > the > > medical society has labeled HIV a sexually transmitted disease. As > a true > > definition, sexual diseases are transfered through sex or sharing of > > sexual > > fluids, and usually affect the reproductive organs. Aids, on the > other > hand, > > are transmitted through any form of fluid and affect the whole body, > > > particulaly the immune system > > > > Erin > > > > It is interesting to me that the medical establishment has > declared > HIV to be the causative organism in AIDS with no scientific proof. > At this > point, (IMO) it is just conjecture as to whether HIV causes anything, > or is > simply an opportunistic infection. See: http://www.duesberg.com/ and > the > quote below. > [i nabbed the quote back in 1998 without the referring URL. I > apologize > for my sloppy footnote.] > > Alobar > > > ~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Kary Mullis is the 1993 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry. He is a superbly > gifted > entertainer, with a wonderfully expressive voice, a perfect sense of > timing, > charisma, and a sense of humor that is both zany and analytical. The > first > part of his talk dealt with the enigma: Why is there no monograph > which > marshals all of the arguments in favor of the HIV-AIDS hypothesis, and > which > replies to the criticisms that have been raised by Peter Duesberg and > others? > > Mullis was writing a report on the use of PCR for HIV, when he came > across > the phrase, " HIV is the probably cause of AIDS " . > > In his own words: > > I asked the guy sitting beside me, " What is the support for that, > what's the > reference? " And he said, " You don't need a reference, everybody knows > that. " > > I assumed there must be such a reference, and that there might be a > controversy over who got credit for it, because I was under the > impression > that Gallo and Montagnier might have been fighting over who had first > shown > that HIV was the cause of AIDS.... I went back over their early > papers, and > found that neither of them had shown that HIV was the probable cause > of > AIDS. > > I was running into a lot of people who were doing AIDS research, and > every > time somebody would give a talk, I'd go up to them afterwards and ask > politely: Who I should quote -- was there a paper or a review that I > should > quote for that statement? It seemed like a perfectly reasonable > question to > ask. Some people took offence. Most people said the same thing: " But > everybody knows, you don't have to prove it. " Well, you know, > everybody > knows the sequence [of a certain chemical], but they also know where > to find > the references. > > And I started getting uncomfortable with the fact that nobody seemed > to > know. So I changed the question to, " When did you, personally, become > convinced that HIV is the probable cause of AIDS? (I mean, you're > working on > it as though you are.) [laughter] What papers did you read? " And > they'd say, > " I've got it in my office. " And I'd say, " Would you send me the > titles, so I > can look them up. " ... [They never did.] And some would say, " Read the > CDC > report. " So I got that and looked through it, and said to myself, " Now > the > CDC doesn't get credit-they didn't do the experiments to demonstrate > that > HIV is the probable cause of AIDS. " > > And then finally, Luc Montagnier came to San Diego, and gave a talk, > and I > thought, this guy will know. [laughter] After the meeting I asked him, > and > he first mentioned the CDC report, and I said I had already looked at > it, > that it wasn't what I was looking for-that I wanted a scientific paper > that > would support the notion that HIV is the probable cause of AIDS, not > the > consensus of a bunch of people who'd already begun looking at it. He > said, > " Well, let's see ... " (and there was a little knot of people around us > at > that point, thinking, the man must have an answer to that question), > and he > said, " Why don't you quote the SIV work? " And I said to myself, " Oh my > god! > There really isn't such a paper, there can't be, or he wouldn't have > to > refer ... to a virus that might kill a monkey ... to illustrate the > probability that HIV is the cause of AIDS! " > > Mullis described his hearing and then meeting Peter Duesberg, and his > entry > into the ranks of HIV-skeptics. The remainder of his talk consisted of > a > half-serious, half-facetious description of " another hypothesis, that > has no > experimental support. " His " interesting hypothetical disease " is a > variation > of the " immune overload " hypothesis, the idea being that infection > with > millions of *different* microbes, through contact with thousands of > people, > who each had contact with thousands of people, might lead to a > breakdown of > the immune system. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 - " fmn " <fmn Saturday, January 05, 2002 7:29 PM Re: Re: hiv and hcv > Guys! Be very cautious about Peter Duesberg! He's professionally > credible, but was among those involved in development of the biological > warfare agent we now call HIV. Check out Len Horrowitz's books ( & > website), and Boyd Graves ( & website), whose painstaking research of U.S. > government documents provide evidence that AIDS was requested by the > U.S. military. Graves' " flow chart " , where the initial request, > research contracts, names of persons, universities, and private > industries involved, and publication of research findings is all there, > impossible to argue against. Duesberg's involvement makes him a > probable disinformant. He's always said HIV isn't the cause of AIDS, a > half-truth which has kept us chasing our tails for years. Horrowitz & > Graves show a visna virus and mycoplasma were combined to produce an > infectious agent nature wouldn't have encountered before, and no natural > immunity likely. May the Lords of Karma visit all these people involved > with the fruits of their actions! Steve Can you give me URLs for those sites? This is the first I have heard of this. I would like to see what evidence is presented against Peter Deusberg. Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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