Guest guest Posted December 27, 2001 Report Share Posted December 27, 2001 I emailed the company re shipping costs to the UK and this is what they added to the reply - you could be right JoAnn, we are already taking half the ingredients..... Marianne > Let me tell you a little more about Strauss Heart Drops. Heart disease is > the number one health problem. Not all, but most heart problems begin with > cholesterol/plaque blockage.The main purpose of Strauss Heart Drops is to > slowly remove cholesterol/plaque build up in the cardiovascular system. > This normally only has to be done once in a life time for a middle aged > person and up, as it usually takes 20 to 30 years for the plaque to build > up and cause a blockage. Some people who have had serious heart problems, > or those who make an abundance of cholesterol in their system, stay on a > maintenance amount. One 100ml bottle last 2 months. Therefore the > recommended years cleanse takes about 6 bottles. > The drops contain herbs and food such as Chinese garlic, African cayenne, > hawthorn, bilberry, motherwort and white willow in a proprietary blend. As > you can see there is nothing in the drops that would hurt you...in other > words no drugs. You may take other vitamins and supplements at the same > time. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2001 Report Share Posted December 27, 2001 In a message dated 27/12/01 19:55:46 GMT Standard Time, joguest writes: I agree and it is a very expensive way of getting nutrients and not knowing how much of each! Marianne > I like > to know what I'm getting. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2001 Report Share Posted December 27, 2001 In a message dated 12/27/01 11:55:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, joguest writes: > I'm not saying that this is a drug company but they > are more prone to add fillers, etc. to the main ingredients. That's what a proprietary blend is.....fillers. Sometimes, like in the case of my enzymes, it's something helpful like a speck of minerals. It's a secret ingerdient, and they don't have to tell you what it is. Could be peanut shells. Could be anything. This heart formula is a liquid, so maybe it's water or whatever they use to extract the herbs. Alcohol? Glycerine? They don't say. Starris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2001 Report Share Posted December 27, 2001 In a message dated 27/12/01 20:36:27 GMT Standard Time, Starrisg writes: Whatever, it sounds like I should steet clear - so thanks everyone who commented. Marianne > That's what a proprietary blend is.....fillers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2001 Report Share Posted December 27, 2001 ---The most important is Hawthorne Berry in my estimation. If I were formulating it magnesium would be next in line. LOL There are all sorts of blends out on the market. One has to be careful of blends. My preference is to just take the individual herbs then one actually knows the exact amounts and I think that's important in the light of the fact that some drug companies such as Rexall are marketing supplements now! I'm not saying that this is a drug company but they are more prone to add fillers, etc. to the main ingredients. I like to know what I'm getting. marianne2406@a... wrote: > I emailed the company re shipping costs to the UK and this is what they added > to the reply - you could be right JoAnn, we are already taking half the > ingredients..... > Marianne > > > > Let me tell you a little more about Strauss Heart Drops. Heart disease is > > the number one health problem. Not all, but most heart problems begin with > > cholesterol/plaque blockage.The main purpose of Strauss Heart Drops is to > > slowly remove cholesterol/plaque build up in the cardiovascular system. > > This normally only has to be done once in a life time for a middle aged > > person and up, as it usually takes 20 to 30 years for the plaque to build > > up and cause a blockage. Some people who have had serious heart problems, > > or those who make an abundance of cholesterol in their system, stay on a > > maintenance amount. One 100ml bottle last 2 months. Therefore the > > recommended years cleanse takes about 6 bottles. > > The drops contain herbs and food such as Chinese garlic, African cayenne, > > hawthorn, bilberry, motherwort and white willow in a proprietary blend. As > > you can see there is nothing in the drops that would hurt you...in other > > words no drugs. You may take other vitamins and supplements at the same > > time. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 Good Evening, I think I'll pass on the peanut shells. :-) In my experience with extracts they usually state if it's water or alcohol based. I have found that to be true with Enzymatic Therapy and the better brands. Starrisg@a... wrote: > In a message dated 12/27/01 11:55:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, > joguest@m... writes: > > > I'm not saying that this is a drug company but they > > are more prone to add fillers, etc. to the main ingredients. > > That's what a proprietary blend is.....fillers. Sometimes, like in the case > of my enzymes, it's something helpful like a speck of minerals. It's a > secret ingerdient, and they don't have to tell you what it is. Could be > peanut shells. Could be anything. > > This heart formula is a liquid, so maybe it's water or whatever they use to > extract the herbs. Alcohol? Glycerine? They don't say. > > Starris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 The Strauss Heart drops are in a base of fruit Alcohol. When taken there is no flavours, smell,or taste of alcohol. The Herbalist who came up with this specific formula comes from fourth generation Austrian herbal lineage. May I suggest that people thoroughly research the website where there is plenty of information, before assuming that because of its expense that perhaps its not really a good product. Another WEbsite link is WWW>WECUREHEARTDISEASE.COM People have said that they are already taking the herbs in separate combinations, the power and effectiveness of the drops lies in the exact proportions of the individual herbs and the excellent quality and procurring of the herbs. Anyone would think that I am trying to sell it Honestly I only wanted to let people know about a good product. Anne - " mrsjoguest " <joguest Thursday, December 27, 2001 11:54 PM Re: Fwd: Shipping Strauss Heart Drops > Good Evening, > I think I'll pass on the peanut shells. :-) In my experience with > extracts they usually state if it's water or alcohol based. I have > found that to be true with Enzymatic Therapy and the better brands. > > Starrisg@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 12/27/01 11:55:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > joguest@m... writes: > > > > > I'm not saying that this is a drug company but they > > > are more prone to add fillers, etc. to the main ingredients. > > > > That's what a proprietary blend is.....fillers. Sometimes, like in > the case > > of my enzymes, it's something helpful like a speck of minerals. > It's a > > secret ingerdient, and they don't have to tell you what it is. > Could be > > peanut shells. Could be anything. > > > > This heart formula is a liquid, so maybe it's water or whatever > they use to > > extract the herbs. Alcohol? Glycerine? They don't say. > > > > Starris > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > Subscription and list archives are at: > Gettingwell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 In a message dated 12/28/01 9:11:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, vanadeux writes: > drops are in a base of fruit Alcohol. What's that? Wine? I'd love to find something better than vodka to make extracts. Starris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 In a message dated 28/12/01 17:11:18 GMT Standard Time, vanadeux writes: Anne - I personally appreciate everyone sharing any infomation that may be relevant for me/the group. What I think most of us are saying is this - it is very expensive and we don't know enough about the product to risk that sort of money - I have been quoted US$69 + $4 p & p per bottle - this equates to £52 per bottle, £312 for 6 bottles. This is almost a month's salary for me because I work part time. I really cannot afford to spend that sort of money in the HOPE that the product will do me good - I need to have someone like yourself tell me they have been using the product for 6 months or 1 year and they have been completely cured of athersclerosis / arteriosclerosis - then it would be a good investment and not a high risk one. Please keep letting us know of anything that you think will be good for us, it is appreciated. Marianne > People have said that they are already taking the herbs in separate > combinations, the power and effectiveness of the drops lies in the exact > proportions of the individual herbs and the excellent quality and procurring > of the herbs. Anyone would think that I am trying to sell it Honestly I > only wanted to let people know about a good product. > Anne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 In a message dated 28/12/01 21:56:58 GMT Standard Time, counterpnt writes: I also thought of that. If I could contact any of the people who wrote their testimonies on the site - I may well think seriously about it but until I can actually communicate with a 'healed' person, I must keep my money in the bank - although I must admit that it is very very tempting in the hope that I would be cured in 1 year - especially as we wish to emigrate to be with our son - good health would be a bonus for me. Marianne > It also bothers me, that the Heart Drops company ad, doesn't say that > there's " a chance " that their product will clear your arteries, that it > " might, " " it may, or may not, " etc., they say plainly, that " it will clear > your arteries. " Well, if they're that sure of the effectiveness of their > product, why am I absolutely sure that they wouldn't sell it with a > money-back guarantee? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 ---I agree totally in that respect. One herb works as a catalyst for the other. Standardprocess is another good blend. My son and his wife are into their products. I think one must really research a product before passing judgment on it. Thanks for the update on this product. I used Enzymatic Therapy for arterial plaque...I think we need to be aware of the others also. I'm glad that we have so many options available...I know that the FDA is trying to limit our choices. Still hoping that never comes to pass! :-) Cheers, JoAnn JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html In Gettingwell, " Vanadeux " <vanadeux@e...> wrote: > The Strauss Heart drops are in a base of fruit Alcohol. When taken there is > no flavours, smell,or taste of alcohol. > The Herbalist who came up with this specific formula comes from fourth > generation Austrian herbal lineage. > > May I suggest that people thoroughly research the website where there is > plenty of information, before assuming that because of its expense that > perhaps its not really a good product. Another WEbsite link is > WWW>WECUREHEARTDISEASE.COM > > People have said that they are already taking the herbs in separate > combinations, the power and effectiveness of the drops lies in the exact > proportions of the individual herbs and the excellent quality and procurring > of the herbs. Anyone would think that I am trying to sell it Honestly I > only wanted to let people know about a good product. > Anne > > > > > > - > " mrsjoguest " <joguest@m...> > <Gettingwell> > Thursday, December 27, 2001 11:54 PM > Re: Fwd: Shipping Strauss Heart Drops > > > > Good Evening, > > I think I'll pass on the peanut shells. :-) In my experience with > > extracts they usually state if it's water or alcohol based. I have > > found that to be true with Enzymatic Therapy and the better brands. > > > > Starrisg@a... wrote: > > > In a message dated 12/27/01 11:55:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > joguest@m... writes: > > > > > > > I'm not saying that this is a drug company but they > > > > are more prone to add fillers, etc. to the main ingredients. > > > > > > That's what a proprietary blend is.....fillers. Sometimes, like in > > the case > > > of my enzymes, it's something helpful like a speck of minerals. > > It's a > > > secret ingerdient, and they don't have to tell you what it is. > > Could be > > > peanut shells. Could be anything. > > > > > > This heart formula is a liquid, so maybe it's water or whatever > > they use to > > > extract the herbs. Alcohol? Glycerine? They don't say. > > > > > > Starris > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > > and well being. > > > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > > Subscription and list archives are at: > > Gettingwell > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 It also bothers me, that the Heart Drops company ad, doesn't say that there's " a chance " that their product will clear your arteries, that it " might, " " it may, or may not, " etc., they say plainly, that " it will clear your arteries. " Well, if they're that sure of the effectiveness of their product, why am I absolutely sure that they wouldn't sell it with a money-back guarantee? - <marianne2406 Friday, December 28, 2001 1:12 PM Re: Re: Fwd: Shipping Strauss Heart Drops In a message dated 28/12/01 17:11:18 GMT Standard Time, vanadeux writes: Anne - I personally appreciate everyone sharing any infomation that may be relevant for me/the group. What I think most of us are saying is this - it is very expensive and we don't know enough about the product to risk that sort of money - I have been quoted US$69 + $4 p & p per bottle - this equates to £52 per bottle, £312 for 6 bottles. This is almost a month's salary for me because I work part time. I really cannot afford to spend that sort of money in the HOPE that the product will do me good - I need to have someone like yourself tell me they have been using the product for 6 months or 1 year and they have been completely cured of athersclerosis / arteriosclerosis - then it would be a good investment and not a high risk one. Please keep letting us know of anything that you think will be good for us, it is appreciated. Marianne > People have said that they are already taking the herbs in separate > combinations, the power and effectiveness of the drops lies in the exact > proportions of the individual herbs and the excellent quality and procurring > of the herbs. Anyone would think that I am trying to sell it Honestly I > only wanted to let people know about a good product. > Anne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 Please tell me a little more about the Standardprocess blend that you mentioned. Also how does the enzymatic therapy work for you? Anne Happy New Year - " mrsjoguest " <joguest Friday, December 28, 2001 6:52 PM Re: Fwd: Shipping Strauss Heart Drops > ---I agree totally in that respect. One herb works as a catalyst for > the other. Standardprocess is another good blend. My son and his wife > are into their products. I think one must really research a product > before passing judgment on it. Thanks for the update on this product. > I used Enzymatic Therapy for arterial plaque...I think we need to be > aware of the others also. I'm glad that we have so many options > available...I know that the FDA is trying to limit our choices. Still > hoping that never comes to pass! :-) > > Cheers, JoAnn > > JoAnn Guest > joguest > Friendsforhealthnaturally > http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html > > In Gettingwell, " Vanadeux " <vanadeux@e...> wrote: > > The Strauss Heart drops are in a base of fruit Alcohol. When taken > there is > > no flavours, smell,or taste of alcohol. > > The Herbalist who came up with this specific formula comes from > fourth > > generation Austrian herbal lineage. > > > > May I suggest that people thoroughly research the website where > there is > > plenty of information, before assuming that because of its expense > that > > perhaps its not really a good product. Another WEbsite link is > > WWW>WECUREHEARTDISEASE.COM > > > > People have said that they are already taking the herbs in separate > > combinations, the power and effectiveness of the drops lies in the > exact > > proportions of the individual herbs and the excellent quality and > procurring > > of the herbs. Anyone would think that I am trying to sell it > Honestly I > > only wanted to let people know about a good product. > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > " mrsjoguest " <joguest@m...> > > <Gettingwell> > > Thursday, December 27, 2001 11:54 PM > > Re: Fwd: Shipping Strauss Heart Drops > > > > > > > Good Evening, > > > I think I'll pass on the peanut shells. :-) In my experience > with > > > extracts they usually state if it's water or alcohol based. I have > > > found that to be true with Enzymatic Therapy and the better > brands. > > > > > > Starrisg@a... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 12/27/01 11:55:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > joguest@m... writes: > > > > > > > > > I'm not saying that this is a drug company but they > > > > > are more prone to add fillers, etc. to the main ingredients. > > > > > > > > That's what a proprietary blend is.....fillers. Sometimes, > like in > > > the case > > > > of my enzymes, it's something helpful like a speck of minerals. > > > It's a > > > > secret ingerdient, and they don't have to tell you what it is. > > > Could be > > > > peanut shells. Could be anything. > > > > > > > > This heart formula is a liquid, so maybe it's water or whatever > > > they use to > > > > extract the herbs. Alcohol? Glycerine? They don't say. > > > > > > > > Starris > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building > health > > > and well being. > > > > > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > > > Subscription and list archives are at: > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 In a message dated 29/12/01 08:41:34 GMT Standard Time, vanadeux writes: Hi Anne - how did you get the low price of £41.00 per bottle please. Marianne > Will certainly get back about this in say six months to give the group > feedback my mum is taking it also, and due to her age will of course have > some degree of arterial blockage. John We pay £41.00 per bottle 100ml, > this should last six weeks. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 In a message dated 29/12/01 08:42:51 GMT Standard Time, vanadeux writes: You have answered my question Anne - I must be less impatient and read all my emails before asking questions. Marianne > Sorry Marianne > > I replied to John thinking he had quoted the Price of £51.00 for the strauss > drops. Sorry John. The strauss drops in sterling work out at around £41.00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 Had you thought that they are not allowed to say that it does what it (actually) does? Already the authorities have hassled them, because their product is very successful, and lets face it the pharmaceuticals feel threatened. The booklet that comes with the medicine does say a lot more, which shows I think that they can get the truth out more easily this way. The powers that be have put strict regulations down as to what claims can be made for any product that is (herbal.nutritional) so it does not surprise me that they don't specifically say that it is guarranteed to remove the plaque. The invasive medical tests done before and after on patients do prove that it works. I am only arguing my corner here because I don't want people to miss out. I have nothing to gain by recommending these drops. Will certainly get back about this in say six months to give the group feedback my mum is taking it also, and due to her age will of course have some degree of arterial blockage. John We pay £41.00 per bottle 100ml, this should last six weeks. Thank you Anne - " John Polifronio " <counterpnt Friday, December 28, 2001 9:53 PM Re: Re: Fwd: Shipping Strauss Heart Drops > It also bothers me, that the Heart Drops company ad, doesn't say that > there's " a chance " that their product will clear your arteries, that it > " might, " " it may, or may not, " etc., they say plainly, that " it will clear > your arteries. " Well, if they're that sure of the effectiveness of their > product, why am I absolutely sure that they wouldn't sell it with a > money-back guarantee? > - > <marianne2406 > > Friday, December 28, 2001 1:12 PM > Re: Re: Fwd: Shipping Strauss Heart Drops > > > In a message dated 28/12/01 17:11:18 GMT Standard Time, > vanadeux writes: > > Anne - I personally appreciate everyone sharing any infomation that may be > relevant for me/the group. What I think most of us are saying is this - it > is very expensive and we don't know enough about the product to risk that > sort of money - I have been quoted US$69 + $4 p & p per bottle - this equates > to £52 per bottle, £312 for 6 bottles. This is almost a month's salary for > me because I work part time. I really cannot afford to spend that sort of > money in the HOPE that the product will do me good - I need to have someone > like yourself tell me they have been using the product for 6 months or 1 > year > and they have been completely cured of athersclerosis / arteriosclerosis - > then it would be a good investment and not a high risk one. Please keep > letting us know of anything that you think will be good for us, it is > appreciated. > Marianne > > > People have said that they are already taking the herbs in separate > > combinations, the power and effectiveness of the drops lies in the exact > > proportions of the individual herbs and the excellent quality and > procurring > > of the herbs. Anyone would think that I am trying to sell it Honestly I > > only wanted to let people know about a good product. > > Anne > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 John we order from Canada and so pay in Canadian dollars, it does work out cheaper than your US dollar quote. Just for your interest. Anne - " John Polifronio " <counterpnt Friday, December 28, 2001 9:53 PM Re: Re: Fwd: Shipping Strauss Heart Drops > It also bothers me, that the Heart Drops company ad, doesn't say that > there's " a chance " that their product will clear your arteries, that it > " might, " " it may, or may not, " etc., they say plainly, that " it will clear > your arteries. " Well, if they're that sure of the effectiveness of their > product, why am I absolutely sure that they wouldn't sell it with a > money-back guarantee? > - > <marianne2406 > > Friday, December 28, 2001 1:12 PM > Re: Re: Fwd: Shipping Strauss Heart Drops > > > In a message dated 28/12/01 17:11:18 GMT Standard Time, > vanadeux writes: > > Anne - I personally appreciate everyone sharing any infomation that may be > relevant for me/the group. What I think most of us are saying is this - it > is very expensive and we don't know enough about the product to risk that > sort of money - I have been quoted US$69 + $4 p & p per bottle - this equates > to £52 per bottle, £312 for 6 bottles. This is almost a month's salary for > me because I work part time. I really cannot afford to spend that sort of > money in the HOPE that the product will do me good - I need to have someone > like yourself tell me they have been using the product for 6 months or 1 > year > and they have been completely cured of athersclerosis / arteriosclerosis - > then it would be a good investment and not a high risk one. Please keep > letting us know of anything that you think will be good for us, it is > appreciated. > Marianne > > > People have said that they are already taking the herbs in separate > > combinations, the power and effectiveness of the drops lies in the exact > > proportions of the individual herbs and the excellent quality and > procurring > > of the herbs. Anyone would think that I am trying to sell it Honestly I > > only wanted to let people know about a good product. > > Anne > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 Sorry Marianne I replied to John thinking he had quoted the Price of £51.00 for the strauss drops. Sorry John. The strauss drops in sterling work out at around £41.00 per bottle this includes shipping from Canada. We order directly from Canada and so the exchange rate is a bit better. I know its still costly. Will of course let you know how things go. Already I have more stamina, and when walking up a hill, don't get lightheaded and have to stop. Its as if my blood is getting up to my head. I have Chronic fatigue and am very toxic. Plus , many other bits and bobs, which I won't bore group with. So I now for the time being rest my case. I am feeling brighter today and thus a few lighter comments. Happy New Year. ANne - <marianne2406 Friday, December 28, 2001 9:12 PM Re: Re: Fwd: Shipping Strauss Heart Drops In a message dated 28/12/01 17:11:18 GMT Standard Time, vanadeux writes: Anne - I personally appreciate everyone sharing any infomation that may be relevant for me/the group. What I think most of us are saying is this - it is very expensive and we don't know enough about the product to risk that sort of money - I have been quoted US$69 + $4 p & p per bottle - this equates to £52 per bottle, £312 for 6 bottles. This is almost a month's salary for me because I work part time. I really cannot afford to spend that sort of money in the HOPE that the product will do me good - I need to have someone like yourself tell me they have been using the product for 6 months or 1 year and they have been completely cured of athersclerosis / arteriosclerosis - then it would be a good investment and not a high risk one. Please keep letting us know of anything that you think will be good for us, it is appreciated. Marianne > People have said that they are already taking the herbs in separate > combinations, the power and effectiveness of the drops lies in the exact > proportions of the individual herbs and the excellent quality and procurring > of the herbs. Anyone would think that I am trying to sell it Honestly I > only wanted to let people know about a good product. > Anne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 Vanadeux My comments were made, in large part, to express support for others on this list that expressed scepticism about the sort of claims made by the Heart Drops company, and have little to do with whether I'll order the Drops myself. Scepticism is a double-edged sword when it comes to these situations. If I suffered from a minor health problem, I'd ignore the Heart Drops campaign entirely. But I will try anything that holds any reasonable promise of changing my CVD profile enough, that I'll be enabled to exercise with a large increase in pain tolerance, exercise time before onset of angina, etc., because it reduces the deadly potential of my condition. Many people that spend money " in the dark, " so to speak, in an effort to gain some real ground against serious disease, do so fully aware that they're betting on long shots. I don't want to be so cynical and sceptical of every claim for a therapy or herbal/nutritional product, etc, that I take the chance of denying myself something that works. If I had to make a wild guess, I'd say that the number of things that have worked for me in " alternative " medicine, more or less as I define it, is about 1 in 10. Lousy odds if you're talking about a headache pill; but acceptable odds, if you're talking about a potentially fatal disease like angina. Even if I order some " Heart Drops, " it will still be with the expectation that the chances of its working for me are about 1 in 10. I can still avail myself of the many pharmaceuticals and surgeries available for serious diseases, methods and substances which are far more likely to " work, " in some narrow sense, but are also far more likely to do me real, if not fatal damage. I'll stick with the " long shots, " in the natural health movement. Insofar as the widespread scepticism is concerned, that exists about so many of the claims made by the " natural health " companies, researchers and practitioners, for the therapies they administer and nutritional/natural products and supplements that they sell, it seems to me, that there's far too little skepticism, not too much. It remains the sorriest of spectacles, to see that there so many " professionals, " at all levels in orthodox and alternative medicine, that can't find a better reason to do their medical work than for the opportunities it affords, to rip off the desperately ill. What a pathetic situation for everyone. - " Vanadeux " <vanadeux Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:22 AM Re: Re: Fwd: Shipping Strauss Heart Drops > Had you thought that they are not allowed to say that it does what it > (actually) does? Already the authorities have hassled them, because their > product is very successful, and lets face it the pharmaceuticals feel > threatened. > > The booklet that comes with the medicine does say a lot more, which shows I > think that they can get the truth out more easily this way. The powers that > be have put strict regulations down as to what claims can be made for any > product that is (herbal.nutritional) so it does not surprise me that they > don't specifically say that it is guarranteed to remove the plaque. The > invasive medical tests done before and after on patients do prove that it > works. > > I am only arguing my corner here because I don't want people to miss out. I > have nothing to gain by recommending these drops. > > Will certainly get back about this in say six months to give the group > feedback my mum is taking it also, and due to her age will of course have > some degree of arterial blockage. John We pay £41.00 per bottle 100ml, > this should last six weeks. > > Thank you Anne > > - > " John Polifronio " <counterpnt > > Friday, December 28, 2001 9:53 PM > Re: Re: Fwd: Shipping Strauss Heart Drops > > > > It also bothers me, that the Heart Drops company ad, doesn't say that > > there's " a chance " that their product will clear your arteries, that it > > " might, " " it may, or may not, " etc., they say plainly, that " it will clear > > your arteries. " Well, if they're that sure of the effectiveness of their > > product, why am I absolutely sure that they wouldn't sell it with a > > money-back guarantee? > > - > > <marianne2406 > > > > Friday, December 28, 2001 1:12 PM > > Re: Re: Fwd: Shipping Strauss Heart Drops > > > > > > In a message dated 28/12/01 17:11:18 GMT Standard Time, > > vanadeux writes: > > > > Anne - I personally appreciate everyone sharing any infomation that may be > > relevant for me/the group. What I think most of us are saying is this - > it > > is very expensive and we don't know enough about the product to risk that > > sort of money - I have been quoted US$69 + $4 p & p per bottle - this > equates > > to £52 per bottle, £312 for 6 bottles. This is almost a month's salary > for > > me because I work part time. I really cannot afford to spend that sort of > > money in the HOPE that the product will do me good - I need to have > someone > > like yourself tell me they have been using the product for 6 months or 1 > > year > > and they have been completely cured of athersclerosis / arteriosclerosis - > > then it would be a good investment and not a high risk one. Please keep > > letting us know of anything that you think will be good for us, it is > > appreciated. > > Marianne > > > > > People have said that they are already taking the herbs in separate > > > combinations, the power and effectiveness of the drops lies in the exact > > > proportions of the individual herbs and the excellent quality and > > procurring > > > of the herbs. Anyone would think that I am trying to sell it Honestly I > > > only wanted to let people know about a good product. > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 ---Anne, I'd have to get back with you on the standardprocess. Highly recommended by their chiropractor. My son was completely healed of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome by taking their products! I think that's pretty good myself. They are always asking me how to eat to keep their healing. I love it! They are really into health foods, organic meats and dairy,etc.now! He is doing fine at the last report! I used Enzymatic Therapy Hawthorn drops. I don't recall whether they were alcohol based of not...but I felt that I was getting the best at the time! I'm happy to say it worked! Also I took CO-Q10 twice a day to build up my heart's pumping action...plus fish oils and flax oils by AIM companies. They have the fish oils with the tocotrienols included which seemed to do the trick (tocotrienols are a catalyst for fish oil). Now I take the AIM Barleygreen daily...it is said to be highest in enzymes...I fully believe it. I can carry on my life w/o a problem now. I can honestly relate NO heart or artery problems for about five years now. I am so relieved! At times I have had quite a bit of stress but still never a problem. It feels so great, I just want to share my success with everyone I come in contact with. Oh BTW, I also have gone 100% organic within the last year! I'm so glad I changed. I have seen a tremendous difference in my energy levels since I changed!! Hugs, Jo http://www.enzy.com Enzymatic Therapy website above for you! In Gettingwell, " Vanadeux " <vanadeux@e...> wrote: > Please tell me a little more about the Standardprocess blend that you > mentioned. Also how does the enzymatic therapy work for you? > > Anne Happy New Year > > > > > - > " mrsjoguest " <joguest@m...> > <Gettingwell> > Friday, December 28, 2001 6:52 PM > Re: Fwd: Shipping Strauss Heart Drops > > > > ---I agree totally in that respect. One herb works as a catalyst for > > the other. Standardprocess is another good blend. My son and his wife > > are into their products. I think one must really research a product > > before passing judgment on it. Thanks for the update on this product. > > I used Enzymatic Therapy for arterial plaque...I think we need to be > > aware of the others also. I'm glad that we have so many options > > available...I know that the FDA is trying to limit our choices. Still > > hoping that never comes to pass! :-) > > > > Cheers, JoAnn > > > > JoAnn Guest > > joguest@m... > > Friendsforhealthnaturally > > http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html > > > > In Gettingwell, " Vanadeux " <vanadeux@e...> wrote: > > > The Strauss Heart drops are in a base of fruit Alcohol. When taken > > there is > > > no flavours, smell,or taste of alcohol. > > > The Herbalist who came up with this specific formula comes from > > fourth > > > generation Austrian herbal lineage. > > > > > > May I suggest that people thoroughly research the website where > > there is > > > plenty of information, before assuming that because of its expense > > that > > > perhaps its not really a good product. Another WEbsite link is > > > WWW>WECUREHEARTDISEASE.COM > > > > > > People have said that they are already taking the herbs in separate > > > combinations, the power and effectiveness of the drops lies in the > > exact > > > proportions of the individual herbs and the excellent quality and > > procurring > > > of the herbs. Anyone would think that I am trying to sell it > > Honestly I > > > only wanted to let people know about a good product. > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > " mrsjoguest " <joguest@m...> > > > <Gettingwell> > > > Thursday, December 27, 2001 11:54 PM > > > Re: Fwd: Shipping Strauss Heart Drops > > > > > > > > > > Good Evening, > > > > I think I'll pass on the peanut shells. :-) In my experience > > with > > > > extracts they usually state if it's water or alcohol based. I have > > > > found that to be true with Enzymatic Therapy and the better > > brands. > > > > > > > > Starrisg@a... wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 12/27/01 11:55:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > > joguest@m... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not saying that this is a drug company but they > > > > > > are more prone to add fillers, etc. to the main ingredients. > > > > > > > > > > That's what a proprietary blend is.....fillers. Sometimes, > > like in > > > > the case > > > > > of my enzymes, it's something helpful like a speck of minerals. > > > > It's a > > > > > secret ingerdient, and they don't have to tell you what it is. > > > > Could be > > > > > peanut shells. Could be anything. > > > > > > > > > > This heart formula is a liquid, so maybe it's water or whatever > > > > they use to > > > > > extract the herbs. Alcohol? Glycerine? They don't say. > > > > > > > > > > Starris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building > > health > > > > and well being. > > > > > > > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > > > > Subscription and list archives are at: > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 JoAnn I went to the Standard Process websit but could find nothing on enzymatic therapy. I even tried a search. Is this a specific supplement? Would appreciate your help. Waddle In a message dated 12/28/2001 10:55:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, joguest writes: > ---I agree totally in that respect. One herb works as a catalyst for > the other. Standardprocess is another good blend. My son and his wife > are into their products. I think one must really research a product > before passing judgment on it. Thanks for the update on this product. > I used Enzymatic Therapy for arterial plaque...I think we need to be > aware of the others also. I'm glad that we have so many options > available...I know that the FDA is trying to limit our choices. Still > hoping that never comes to pass! :-) > > Cheers, JoAnn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2001 Report Share Posted December 30, 2001 Dr. Knoll sells it with a Money Back Guarantee. Waddle In a message dated 12/29/2001 12:41:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, vanadeux writes: > - > " John Polifronio " <counterpnt > > Friday, December 28, 2001 9:53 PM > Re: Re: Fwd: Shipping Strauss Heart Drops > > > > It also bothers me, that the Heart Drops company ad, doesn't say that > > there's " a chance " that their product will clear your arteries, that it > > " might, " " it may, or may not, " etc., they say plainly, that " it will > clear > > your arteries. " Well, if they're that sure of the effectiveness of their > > product, why am I absolutely sure that they wouldn't sell it with a > > money-back guarantee? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2001 Report Share Posted December 30, 2001 In a message dated 30/12/01 14:29:44 GMT Standard Time, waddle986 writes: Is it the same price and will they ship to the UK? website address please if relevant? > Dr. Knoll sells it with a Money Back Guarantee. > > Waddle > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2001 Report Share Posted December 30, 2001 ---Good Morning All! Well actually...speaking in the role of one who has " cleared " my arteries. :-) After much agonizing research, I have come to the conclusion that although I took most of those herbs/supplements that are in the Strauss proprietary blend, I must attribute much of my success to some other things I did also. I'm surprised someone hasn't mentioned Ginger for fluid arteries. Ginger, both the natural root (grated to use in stirfries, etc),teas, and supplemental ginger played a very unique role in the reversal of my arterial blockage. I was told to stop using it before my surgery it became so effective as a blood thinner. Needless to say I did not stop and still find it a most effective way to achieve my goal of attaining and maintaining fluid arteries! Actually I have found it to be more effective than Gingko in my experience. Then there is garlic! Garlic is an excellent blood thinner, and I would rate it up there in the same category as Cayenne for it's effectiveness. Oat Bran is one of the very best foods to use. I use a lot of Oats in my diet right at the moment with good success!. Sometimes just a simple thing like including more ginger in your diet can work wonders in this respect. I say, don't overlook the simple things in our quest for health. I am of the opinion also, that arterial plaque is linked to heavy metals in tap water, etc. These freeradicals encourage the formation of plaque (cholesterol) within our arteries as we grow older. Regards, JoAnn JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html In Gettingwell, marianne2406@a... wrote: > In a message dated 28/12/01 21:56:58 GMT Standard Time, > counterpnt@e... writes: > > I also thought of that. If I could contact any of the people who wrote their > testimonies on the site - I may well think seriously about it but until I can > actually communicate with a 'healed' person, I must keep my money in the bank > - although I must admit that it is very very tempting in the hope that I > would be cured in 1 year - especially as we wish to emigrate to be with our > son - good health would be a bonus for me. > Marianne > > > It also bothers me, that the Heart Drops company ad, doesn't say that > > there's " a chance " that their product will clear your arteries, that it > > " might, " " it may, or may not, " etc., they say plainly, that " it will clear > > your arteries. " Well, if they're that sure of the effectiveness of their > > product, why am I absolutely sure that they wouldn't sell it with a > > money-back guarantee? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2001 Report Share Posted December 30, 2001 ---Hello! Enzymatic Therapy products are found at Enzy.com. It seems they have changed their product list just recently. Although the Hawthorn Extract doesn't seem to be available, there are some other very beneficial blends, including one chelation product. If you type in Heart and do a search, you will find many useful products! Here are a few I'm listing for you: I took most of them including the CO-Q10 and Dandelion, some in other supplements. Michael Murray is well-known in Alternative Circles. He works closely with them. Regards, JoAnn In Gettingwell, waddle986@a... wrote: > JoAnn > > I went to the Standard Process websit but could find nothing on enzymatic > therapy. I even tried a search. Is this a specific supplement? > > Would appreciate your help. > > Waddle > > > In a message dated 12/28/2001 10:55:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, > joguest@m... writes: > > > > ---I agree totally in that respect. One herb works as a catalyst for > > the other. Standardprocess is another good blend. My son and his wife > > are into their products. I think one must really research a product > > before passing judgment on it. Thanks for the update on this product. > > I used Enzymatic Therapy for arterial plaque...I think we need to be > > aware of the others also. I'm glad that we have so many options > > available...I know that the FDA is trying to limit our choices. Still > > hoping that never comes to pass! :-) > > > > Cheers, JoAnn > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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