Bee Venom Balm Users?

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Hello,

 

My mother suffers from sometimes severe pain cause by arthritis. I'm

currently seeking a topical that will reduce the severity of pain. We are

working on the " inside " as well using glucosamine/chondrotin but she

sometimes will flare with pain under unpredictable weather conditions.

 

I've seen several reports that exploits the wonder of using " bee venom " on

arthritic patients. Of course these patients were given the venom by a

natural practitioner who administered the venom, holding " live " bees with a

tweezers and placing the bee on the site of pain which the bee then released

his venom by stinging his victim. I'd estimate about 50 bee stings per se on

the area of pain. Patients who were incapacitated by pain were able to

regain the use of affected body parts once the inflammation was relieved.

 

There is a product out called Bee Venom Balm. I believe the manufacturer is

Aerobic Live. The product is supposed to contain pure venom containing 225

stings of venom. Other uses aside of arthritis: bursitis, tennis elbow, PMS,

chronic aches and pain, and other inflammatory conditions.

 

Has anyone ever heard of such a product and/or used this product in

conjunction with the above. If so, I would sincerely appreciate any feedback

concerning its availability for pain, etc., etc.,

 

Thank you in advance!

 

Kandi

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

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<kandi59274

 

Friday, December 21, 2001 9:00 AM

Bee Venom Balm Users?

 

 

> Hello,

>

> My mother suffers from sometimes severe pain cause by arthritis. I'm

> currently seeking a topical that will reduce the severity of pain. We are

> working on the " inside " as well using glucosamine/chondrotin but she

> sometimes will flare with pain under unpredictable weather conditions.

 

Hi,

 

Glucosamine is good but to naturally reduce inflammation and pain you need to up

Omega 3 EPA as it directly reduces the

proinflammatory eicosanoids made from Omega 6 AA.

 

Suggest she try to avoid ALL veggie oils based foods (except extra virgin olive

oil) as they are Omega 6 rich and will

increase Omega 6 AA levels. Also eggs and red meat are out (until she gets her

inflammatory PGE2 eicosanoid under

control). Then get her on about 2 g of EPA+DHA a day and 2 - 3 serves a week of

salmon, mackerel, herring, etc. She

will feel results in a few days and have significant relief in a few weeks.

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[Guest guest]

Thank you Greg!

 

I'm pretty aware how beneficial Omega 3's are with conditions like this and

have also put her on flax. In addition to this she eats plenty of fish. The

problem is she also eats plenty of fatty red meats, uses oils to cook with,

eats late night junk, etc. May be why she hasn't gained too much relief from

Glucosamine? She's probably getting more 6 than she is 3.

 

She thinks, as I'm sure a lot of people do who don't focus on healing with

nutrition, that if she takes a pill it will take care of her ailments. It's

hard getting them to understand the importance and role of healthy food and

nutrients.

 

Thanks so much again,

 

Kandi

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/20/01 7:28:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gowatson writes:

 

<< Also eggs and red meat are out (until she gets her inflammatory PGE2

eicosanoid under control).>>

 

Are egg whites harmful too?

 

Jean

[Guest guest]

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<kandi59274

 

Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:05 AM

Re: Bee Venom Balm Users?

 

 

> Thank you Greg!

>

> I'm pretty aware how beneficial Omega 3's are with conditions like this and

> have also put her on flax. In addition to this she eats plenty of fish. The

> problem is she also eats plenty of fatty red meats, uses oils to cook with,

> eats late night junk, etc. May be why she hasn't gained too much relief from

> Glucosamine? She's probably getting more 6 than she is 3.

 

I would suggest she use 500 mg glucosamine, twice a day.

 

Red meats and eggs are rich in Omega 6 AA, which is the precursor (raw material)

for the proinflammatory eicosanoid

PGE2. Normally Omega 3 EPA will limit the conversion of Omega 6 LA (from veggie

oils) but eating dietary AA via red

meat and eggs bypasses this control.

 

Using 2 g of fish oil EPA+DHA per day (3 doses) will still help to inhibit the

generation of PGE2 even in the face of

high dietary AA.

 

> She thinks, as I'm sure a lot of people do who don't focus on healing with

> nutrition, that if she takes a pill it will take care of her ailments. It's

> hard getting them to understand the importance and role of healthy food and

> nutrients.

 

So give her fish oil pills and read this:

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=8\

220938 & dopt=Abstract

Br J Rheumatol 1993 Nov;32(11):982-9 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut

Effects of fish oil supplementation on non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug

requirement in patients with mild rheumatoid

arthritis--a double-blind placebo controlled study.

Lau CS, Morley KD, Belch JJ.

Department of Medicine, Ninewells Hospital, Dundee, Scotland.

 

Maxepa contains eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) (171 mg/capsule) and docosahexaenoic

acid (DHA) (114 mg/capsule).

 

EPA acts as an alternative substrate to arachidonate, leading to the formation

of the less proinflammatory

prostaglandins ('3' series) and leukotrienes ('5' series).

 

If Maxepa has anti-inflammatory properties it could be expected to reduce the

requirement for NSAIDs in patients with

RA. This has not been investigated nor has Maxepa therapy been studied over a

full 1-yr period. Sixty-four patients with

stable RA requiring NSAID therapy only were studied.

 

Patients received either 10 Maxepa or air-filled placebo capsules per day for 12

months. All then received placebo

capsules for a further 3 months. Patients were reviewed at 3-monthly intervals.

NSAID requirement at entry visit for

each patient was assigned as 100%. Patients were instructed to slowly reduce

their NSAID dosage providing there was no

worsening of their symptoms. Clinical and laboratory parameters of RA activity

were also measured.

 

There was a significant reduction in NSAID usage in patients on Maxepa when

compared with placebo from month 3 [mean

(95% C.I. for mean) requirement--71.1 (55.9-86.2)% and 89.7 (73.7-105.7)%,

respectively]. This effect reached its

maximum at month 12 [40.6 (24.5-56.6)% and 84.1 (62.7-105.5)%, respectively] and

persisted to month 15 [44.7

(27.6-61.8)% and 85.8 (60.5-111.1)%, respectively] (P < 0.001, ANOVA).

 

These patients were able to reduce their NSAID requirement without experiencing

any deterioration in the clinical and

laboratory parameters of RA activity.

 

PMID: 8220938 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Good Health & Long Life,

Greg Watson, gowatson

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Patch file for above http://www.walford.com/download/dwidp67u.exe

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