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Lorenzo,

Yes of course omega-3 is the elusive one but omega-6 supplementation

must be okay in some cases since it can (and did for me and others on

this list) make a big improvement in fingernail condition for one thing.

 

I don't remember seeing any statements about too much omega-3, only that

-6 can be beneficial.

 

Ron

 

Lorenzo wrote :In my opinion some statements lately that one must be

careful about getting

too little Omega 6 and too much Omega 3 are the result of confusion in

the minds of persons who have not read the hundreds of sites dealing

with

this on the internet very thoroughly.

 

P.S. We all take note of the fact that you have, very thoroughly, read

the hundreds of sites dealing with this on the internet.

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I have seen suggestions to limit intake of fish oil and any oils except olive

oil for people with

liver problems.I have also heard all the stuff about kava kava, even one of the

homeopaths

that I went to said that kava kava was dangerous. So much of the vitamin info

has contrary

information out there. How does one know that you are not making your self

worse? This is a

serious question. It takes me months to decide to add or subtract something

because there is

so much information pro and con! I have seen information suggesting that if you

take

collidial silver, you risk developing a condition where your skin takes on a

greyish color, and

is irreversible. So, you health supplement providers, how do you check the

information and

know for sure what is okay and what is hype? It is getting harder and harder to

listen to the

" back biting " - this group is really fooling us about " Big pharma, " that person

must really be

in " big pharma's " pocket. But, that is a different question for the group. I

really don't want to

be off the orignal question - How do you know what is safe and what is not ( for

things like

fish oil, kava kava, silver)? Where do you guys - the ones of you who are

putting this stuff out

for this group, go to check your infomation, or are you just selling the stuff

and looking for

buyers? Not the testamonials on the web site, either. Is there a Ralph Moss or

Annie

Appleseed for vitamins and health stuff? This is a serious question. Janna

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/14/2007 1:05:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, eugene.mouncer writes:

 

I believe that cod liver oil is beneficial for adding vitamin D and relieving joint pain and deterioration. Salmon oil will also add omega 3 to your system but may not be as beneficial as cod liver oil. There are brands of cod liver oil that are flavored or in other ways made to taste better or get it in capsules. I also take a capsule of flax seed oil a day.

Gene

 

The latest on Cod Liver Oil is that we might need to be taking 10,000 IUs daily (Dr Robert Rowen's Newsletter) and do you have any idea how much cod liver oil that is? Yech! (But I found some Vitamin D that was quite reasonable).

 

Budwig wrote a lot on flax oil, and created a recipe that made it more bioavailable. In the late nineties, I met a man who took her work and improved upon it by processing flax in such a way as to stabilize it, make it water soluble (like Budwig's recipe) and then he added cofactors Budwig did not know about (for increased uptake and utilization). The product is called Omegasentials and even tho the inventor is a vegan, he's added fish oils to it knowing that we need DHA and EPA. And I wish I could make money selling it cuz I would. I get mine here: Omegasentials.

 

No cancer regimen should be without it (or Budwig's recipe).

 

And I know there is a controversy about ALA causing prostate cancer (published at Mercola and other sites) but Udo Erasmus has a different take on it: http://www.udoerasmus.com/articles/udo/flax_prostate.htm

 

The only thing I sell, besides Tony's and My own books, is Gobble de Goop (probiotics to clean your pipes).

 

DavidSee what's free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

I do not have a web site or sell Colloidal Silver but I can testify from personal experience that Colloidal Silver really works to kill bacteria that can cause many health problems. If you wish to prove it to your self take 2 bowls of strawberries and wash one with good clean tap water or if you have city water use distilled water. The other bowl add 1/4 cup of Colloidal Silver to the wash water letting it soak for 5 minutes. Add sugar to both as you would prepare for eating. Add a teaspoon of the silver to the one washed in the silver and stirr. Place both in the refrigerator and you will find that the one washed without the silver will ferment (work) in about 3 days. The bowl with the silver will keep for at least 3 weeks without the bacteria causing any fermentation. I have used CS internally for 10 years with no adverse affects. No turning blue or gray. The publicised article about turning a person blue was from a US Senator from Montana that made his own to a PPM of somewhere around 600 PPM and taking large amounts of it. His process used salt in it that also makes a silverchloride that may be harmful. I use a 5 PPM solution I make my self for internal use. Gargle and swallow a small amount of it every night and it will kill the bacteria in the mouth that can multiply during the night causing a sore throat and colds or flu. Email me and I can tell you how to make it. Only a very minor cold and no flu in 10 years. I have not used Kava Kava so can't say as to what it does. I believe that cod liver oil is beneficial for adding vitamin D and relieving joint pain and deterioration. Salmon oil will also add omega 3 to your system but may not be as beneficial as cod liver oil. There are brands of cod liver oil that are flavored or in other ways made to taste better or get it in capules. I also take a capsule of flax seed oil a day.

Gene

 

In oleander soup , "dreamweavermphs" <cr8iveart wrote:>> I have seen suggestions to limit intake of fish oil and any oils except olive oil for people with > liver problems.I have also heard all the stuff about kava kava, even one of the homeopaths > that I went to said that kava kava was dangerous. So much of the vitamin info has contrary > information out there. How does one know that you are not making your self worse? This is a > serious question. It takes me months to decide to add or subtract something because there is > so much information pro and con! I have seen information suggesting that if you take > collidial silver, you risk developing a condition where your skin takes on a greyish color, and > is irreversible. So, you health supplement providers, how do you check the information and > know for sure what is okay and what is hype? It is getting harder and harder to listen to the > "back biting" - this group is really fooling us about "Big pharma," that person must really be > in "big pharma's" pocket. But, that is a different question for the group. I really don't want to > be off the orignal question - How do you know what is safe and what is not ( for things like > fish oil, kava kava, silver)? Where do you guys - the ones of you who are putting this stuff out > for this group, go to check your infomation, or are you just selling the stuff and looking for > buyers? Not the testamonials on the web site, either. Is there a Ralph Moss or Annie > Appleseed for vitamins and health stuff? This is a serious question. Janna>oleander soup , "dreamweavermphs" <cr8iveart wrote:>> I have seen suggestions to limit intake of fish oil and any oils except olive oil for people with > liver problems.I have also heard all the stuff about kava kava, even one of the homeopaths > that I went to said that kava kava was dangerous. So much of the vitamin info has contrary > information out there. How does one know that you are not making your self worse? This is a > serious question. It takes me months to decide to add or subtract something because there is > so much information pro and con! I have seen information suggesting that if you take > collidial silver, you risk developing a condition where your skin takes on a greyish color, and > is irreversible. So, you health supplement providers, how do you check the information and > know for sure what is okay and what is hype? It is getting harder and harder to listen to the > "back biting" - this group is really fooling us about "Big pharma," that person must really be > in "big pharma's" pocket. But, that is a different question for the group. I really don't want to > be off the orignal question - How do you know what is safe and what is not ( for things like > fish oil, kava kava, silver)? Where do you guys - the ones of you who are putting this stuff out > for this group, go to check your infomation, or are you just selling the stuff and looking for > buyers? Not the testamonials on the web site, either. Is there a Ralph Moss or Annie > Appleseed for vitamins and health stuff? This is a serious question. Janna>

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There is not a simple, easy answer. There is so much good and so much bad information out there. It takes time reviewing sites and literature to familiarize yourself enough to having some "street smarts" about vitamins, herbs, and general health foods; and about the drugs. If you do not see something in print from several sources, each of which you trust, it might be naive to form a belief and proceed on it. (As the Bible says, from a number of reliable witnesses you may begin to discern the truth and correct course of action.) If you read these posts here often, you have some good references for further reading. I would also recommend the Townsend Letter. Jonathon Collin, MD is editor in chief. A search will readily reveal the website. I have followed the Townsend Letter for 20 years. It gives perspectives from many health care disciplines, and presents

the disagreements in the same profession as well as between the professions. This will acquaint you with the many viewpoints, and give you some notion of the reasoning of these groups. In the end, you just have to do your homework. This is a big subject to learn. Hopefully you have some like-interested friends who will cooperate in mutual study and sharing of information with you. God Speed, Dr. Goebel

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[Guest guest]

Dr. G gave quite a good answer to your question. There is indeed a

lot of conflicting evidence about natural supplements, vitamins and

alternative health out there. I don't think that anyone on this forum

is putting out information because they are trying to sell something,

but rather because they are trying to share something - information

that you are not likely to see in unbiased form from mainstream medicine.

 

Dr. G mentioned some very good source. I have added links here in the

links section that point to what I believe are some very good sources

of laregly unbiased information. In my own case, I learned (or hoped

I did) a long time ago to not jump on the bandwagon of the latest

miracle cure touted in various foums and sites on the internet, and I

also learned, in time, which sites had the most trustworthy and

unbiased information and were not merely selling products. Perhaps we

can help with a few shortcuts, but I think that this is a journey you

have to take for yourself.

 

I am not sure what you mean about someone being in the hand of Big

Pharma. Someone in this group? I have seen some allegations that

some groups whose messages are overblown just might be in the hand of

the enemy. If they aren't, sensationalized messages that distort the

truth certainly play into the hands of those who would suppress

natural remedies and supplements. Ad for our forum grop, if anyone in

this forum is in the hand of Big Pharma I can't tell it. The warnings

about Big Pharma, the FDA and the suggested changes to guidelines are

being posted by concerned folks all over the internet now - and

although I think that the most prevalent version has needlessly

distorted the message, it is an important issue and we SHOULD pay

attention and respond.

 

This forum was not created to bash the FDA or Big Pharma, but to share

information that the FDA, in their primary role as the right arm and

protector of Big Pharma, and Big Pharma itself in their greed and

dertmination to exploit and dominate their only market place - our

bodies -either fails to recognize or outright suppresses. I had rather

see this site focus primarily on oleander and other natural remedies

and treatments, as well as the best natural vitamins, minerals and

other natural health information that can save lives and ease suffering.

 

For the most part, bashing the FDA or Big Pharma here is kind of like

preaching to the choir. And make no mistake, the FDA is NOT primarily

interested in protecting the public good - they merely use that as the

cover for suppressing alternative competition to the masters they

serve. Those masters are primarily Big Pharma - which now has a

century old record of producing side-effect laden and largely

ineffective alternatives that treat only symptoms and lead to still

more medications in a never-ending cycle. That is a good model for

increasing profits, but a horrible one for humanity.

 

For those who would say that my own message about the FDA and Big

Pharma is alarmist, I will just repeat the quote from one of their own

that speaks volumes:

 

" The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies and are subsequently

rewarded, and using the government's police powers they attack those

who threaten the big drug companies. People think that the FDA is

protecting them.

 

It isn't.

 

What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it is doing are as

different as night and day. "

 

Dr. Herbert Ley - Former U.S. FDA Commissioner

 

For 50 years now, we have been hearing that a cure for cancer is right

around the corner - yet despite huge leaps in science and technology,

virtually no headway has been made and mainstream medicine continues

to treat only the symptoms by slashing, burning or poisoning the

tumors without addressing the underlying causes that lead to the

cancer in the first place. Those of us in this forum, believe that the

remedy for cancer and other serious illness is not right around the

corner, but in perhaps in your own backyard. Or cupboard.

 

Also, I am not sure what you mean by " back biting " ? In this group? I

think we have already established that there are a variety of opinions

and opposing information when it comes to natural health - just as

there are in practically any area of life. There is a big diffence

between friendly debate and putting forth opposing views and

back-biting. I encourage honest debate - it might be confusing at

times, but in the end, it is the only way to arrive at the truth, or

at the truths we choose to believe.

 

OK, off my soapbox. If this WERE a mainstream medicine bashing forum,

imagine what I would do - lol.

 

Omega-3 fatty acids have been linked to a wide-range of health

benefits, including cardiovascular disease (CVD), good development of

a baby during pregnancy, joint health, behaviour and mood, and certain

cancers.

 

Fish, in and of themselves, particularly the oily fish that are high

in omega-3's, are very healthy. The problem is what man has done to

introduce pollutants to our fresh fish. The risk of pollutants come

primarily from oily fish, such a methyl mercury, dioxins, and

polychlorinated biphenols (PCBs).

 

My own suggestion - choose only cold water ocean fish or else use one

of the products like Super Omega, Omegaessentials, etc. No, I don't

sell them. I don't sell Colloidal Silver either, although I do have

an affiliate link to my good lifelong friend's Utopia Silver site -

but you will notice that I do not post my affiliate link here in this

message.

 

In closing, I can say without reservation that I highly, highly

recommend omega-3 (from flaxseed, fish, borage, etc) and Colloidal

Silver. I think Colloidal Silver is one of the great things avaiable

for those of us who pursue natural health and.

 

Live long, live healthy, live happy!

 

 

oleander soup , " dreamweavermphs " <cr8iveart

wrote:

>

> I have seen suggestions to limit intake of fish oil and any oils

except olive oil for people with

> liver problems.I have also heard all the stuff about kava kava, even

one of the homeopaths

> that I went to said that kava kava was dangerous. So much of the

vitamin info has contrary

> information out there. How does one know that you are not making

your self worse? This is a

> serious question. It takes me months to decide to add or subtract

something because there is

> so much information pro and con! I have seen information suggesting

that if you take

> collidial silver, you risk developing a condition where your skin

takes on a greyish color, and

> is irreversible. So, you health supplement providers, how do you

check the information and

> know for sure what is okay and what is hype? It is getting harder

and harder to listen to the

> " back biting " - this group is really fooling us about " Big pharma, "

that person must really be

> in " big pharma's " pocket. But, that is a different question for the

group. I really don't want to

> be off the orignal question - How do you know what is safe and what

is not ( for things like

> fish oil, kava kava, silver)? Where do you guys - the ones of you

who are putting this stuff out

> for this group, go to check your infomation, or are you just selling

the stuff and looking for

> buyers? Not the testamonials on the web site, either. Is there a

Ralph Moss or Annie

> Appleseed for vitamins and health stuff? This is a serious question.

Janna

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/15/2007 8:17:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, cr8iveart writes:

I would be very interested in how to make the silver. And any other suggestions. Thanks, Janna

 

Janna, go to this site: http://www.toolsforhealing.com/CD/Articles/B/BobBeck/BobBeckProtocols.html

 

They were very helpful when I was researching the Beck protocol. One of the machines there that does both the blood electrification/purification, and can be used as Hulda Clark's "zapper" also makes colloidal silver.

 

DavidSee what's free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

I would be very interested in how to make the silver. And any other suggestions.

Thanks, Janna

>

> " gene98583 " <eugene.mouncer

> 2007/04/14 Sat PM 02:04:19 EDT

> oleander soup

> Re: omegas

>

>

> I do not have a web site or sell Colloidal Silver but I can testify

> from personal experience that Colloidal Silver really works to kill

> bacteria that can cause many health problems. If you wish to prove it

> to your self take 2 bowls of strawberries and wash one with good clean

> tap water or if you have city water use distilled water. The other bowl

> add 1/4 cup of Colloidal Silver to the wash water letting it soak for 5

> minutes. Add sugar to both as you would prepare for eating. Add a

> teaspoon of the silver to the one washed in the silver and stirr. Place

> both in the refrigerator and you will find that the one washed without

> the silver will ferment (work) in about 3 days. The bowl with the

> silver will keep for at least 3 weeks without the bacteria causing any

> fermentation. I have used CS internally for 10 years with no adverse

> affects. No turning blue or gray.

> The publicised article about turning a person blue was from a US

> Senator from Montana that made his own to a PPM of somewhere around 600

> PPM and taking large amounts of it. His process used salt in it that

> also makes a silverchloride that may be harmful. I use a 5 PPM solution

> I make my self for internal use. Gargle and swallow a small amount of

> it every night and it will kill the bacteria in the mouth that can

> multiply during the night causing a sore throat and colds or flu. Email

> me and I can tell you how to make it. Only a very minor cold and no flu

> in 10 years.

> I have not used Kava Kava so can't say as to what it does.

> I believe that cod liver oil is beneficial for adding vitamin D and

> relieving joint pain and deterioration. Salmon oil will also add omega

> 3 to your system but may not be as beneficial as cod liver oil. There

> are brands of cod liver oil that are flavored or in other ways made to

> taste better or get it in capules. I also take a capsule of flax seed

> oil a day.

>

> Gene

>

>

>

> In oleander soup <oleander soup > ,

> " dreamweavermphs " <cr8iveart wrote:

> >

> > I have seen suggestions to limit intake of fish oil and any oils

> except olive oil for people with

> > liver problems.I have also heard all the stuff about kava kava, even

> one of the homeopaths

> > that I went to said that kava kava was dangerous. So much of the

> vitamin info has contrary

> > information out there. How does one know that you are not making your

> self worse? This is a

> > serious question. It takes me months to decide to add or subtract

> something because there is

> > so much information pro and con! I have seen information suggesting

> that if you take

> > collidial silver, you risk developing a condition where your skin

> takes on a greyish color, and

> > is irreversible. So, you health supplement providers, how do you check

> the information and

> > know for sure what is okay and what is hype? It is getting harder and

> harder to listen to the

> > " back biting " - this group is really fooling us about " Big pharma, "

> that person must really be

> > in " big pharma's " pocket. But, that is a different question for the

> group. I really don't want to

> > be off the orignal question - How do you know what is safe and what is

> not ( for things like

> > fish oil, kava kava, silver)? Where do you guys - the ones of you who

> are putting this stuff out

> > for this group, go to check your infomation, or are you just selling

> the stuff and looking for

> > buyers? Not the testamonials on the web site, either. Is there a Ralph

> Moss or Annie

> > Appleseed for vitamins and health stuff? This is a serious question.

> Janna

> >

>

> oleander soup , " dreamweavermphs " <cr8iveart

> wrote:

> >

> > I have seen suggestions to limit intake of fish oil and any oils

> except olive oil for people with

> > liver problems.I have also heard all the stuff about kava kava, even

> one of the homeopaths

> > that I went to said that kava kava was dangerous. So much of the

> vitamin info has contrary

> > information out there. How does one know that you are not making your

> self worse? This is a

> > serious question. It takes me months to decide to add or subtract

> something because there is

> > so much information pro and con! I have seen information suggesting

> that if you take

> > collidial silver, you risk developing a condition where your skin

> takes on a greyish color, and

> > is irreversible. So, you health supplement providers, how do you check

> the information and

> > know for sure what is okay and what is hype? It is getting harder and

> harder to listen to the

> > " back biting " - this group is really fooling us about " Big pharma, "

> that person must really be

> > in " big pharma's " pocket. But, that is a different question for the

> group. I really don't want to

> > be off the orignal question - How do you know what is safe and what is

> not ( for things like

> > fish oil, kava kava, silver)? Where do you guys - the ones of you who

> are putting this stuff out

> > for this group, go to check your infomation, or are you just selling

> the stuff and looking for

> > buyers? Not the testamonials on the web site, either. Is there a Ralph

> Moss or Annie

> > Appleseed for vitamins and health stuff? This is a serious question.

> Janna

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Janna,

 

I did the parasite cleanse a couple of months ago.

 

 

 

oleander soup , <cr8iveart wrote:

>

> Have you done the parasite cleanse? or any other protocols? Janna

> >

> > ahzoov

> > 2007/04/15 Sun PM 09:21:10 EDT

> > oleander soup

> > Re: Re: omegas

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 4/15/2007 8:17:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> > cr8iveart writes:

> >

> > I would be very interested in how to make the silver. And any

other

> > suggestions. Thanks, Janna

> >

> >

> > Janna, go to this site:

> >

_http://www.toolsforhealing.com/CD/Articles/B/BobBeck/BobBeckProtocols

..html_

> >

(http://www.toolsforhealing.com/CD/Articles/B/BobBeck/BobBeckProtocols

..html)

> >

> > They were very helpful when I was researching the Beck protocol.

One of the

> > machines there that does both the blood

electrification/purification, and can

> > be used as Hulda Clark's " zapper " also makes colloidal silver.

> >

> > David

> >

> >

> >

> > ************************************** See what's free at

http://www.aol.com.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/17/2007 2:55:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, luellamay129 writes:

Hi Janna,I don't understand your question. If you go to a health food store and ask for parasite cleanse they will help you. However, be sure and follow the instructions for it to be effective.

 

Or add 3.5 tablespoons of coconut oil to your diet. Kills parasites. My dogs have never had to have meds for worms.

 

DavidSee what's free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

Is there die off or anything else with the cleanese that I should know about? I

would appreciate the information. thanks, Janna

>

> " May " <luellamay129

> 2007/04/16 Mon PM 09:20:20 EDT

> oleander soup

> Re: omegas

>

> Hi Janna,

>

> I did the parasite cleanse a couple of months ago.

>

>

>

> oleander soup , <cr8iveart wrote:

> >

> > Have you done the parasite cleanse? or any other protocols? Janna

> > >

> > > ahzoov

> > > 2007/04/15 Sun PM 09:21:10 EDT

> > > oleander soup

> > > Re: Re: omegas

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 4/15/2007 8:17:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> > > cr8iveart writes:

> > >

> > > I would be very interested in how to make the silver. And any

> other

> > > suggestions. Thanks, Janna

> > >

> > >

> > > Janna, go to this site:

> > >

> _http://www.toolsforhealing.com/CD/Articles/B/BobBeck/BobBeckProtocols

> .html_

> > >

> (http://www.toolsforhealing.com/CD/Articles/B/BobBeck/BobBeckProtocols

> .html)

> > >

> > > They were very helpful when I was researching the Beck protocol.

> One of the

> > > machines there that does both the blood

> electrification/purification, and can

> > > be used as Hulda Clark's " zapper " also makes colloidal silver.

> > >

> > > David

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ************************************** See what's free at

> http://www.aol.com.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Janna,

 

I don't understand your question. If you go to a health food store

and ask for parasite cleanse they will help you. However, be sure

and follow the instructions for it to be effective.

 

 

 

oleander soup , <cr8iveart wrote:

>

> Is there die off or anything else with the cleanese that I should

know about? I would appreciate the information. thanks, Janna

> >

> > " May " <luellamay129

> > 2007/04/16 Mon PM 09:20:20 EDT

> > oleander soup

> > Re: omegas

> >

> > Hi Janna,

> >

> > I did the parasite cleanse a couple of months ago.

> >

> >

> >

> > oleander soup , <cr8iveart@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Have you done the parasite cleanse? or any other protocols?

Janna

> > > >

> > > > ahzoov@

> > > > 2007/04/15 Sun PM 09:21:10 EDT

> > > > oleander soup

> > > > Re: Re: omegas

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 4/15/2007 8:17:50 P.M. Central Daylight

Time,

> > > > cr8iveart@ writes:

> > > >

> > > > I would be very interested in how to make the silver. And

any

> > other

> > > > suggestions. Thanks, Janna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Janna, go to this site:

> > > >

> >

_http://www.toolsforhealing.com/CD/Articles/B/BobBeck/BobBeckProtocols

> > .html_

> > > >

> >

(http://www.toolsforhealing.com/CD/Articles/B/BobBeck/BobBeckProtocols

> > .html)

> > > >

> > > > They were very helpful when I was researching the Beck

protocol.

> > One of the

> > > > machines there that does both the blood

> > electrification/purification, and can

> > > > be used as Hulda Clark's " zapper " also makes colloidal

silver.

> > > >

> > > > David

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ************************************** See what's free at

> > http://www.aol.com.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>