Stopping To Drink Water -- And Wolfberries

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In a message dated 12/9/01 3:43:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,

mindy writes:

 

 

> Hmm...I was under the impression that animals *do* stop to drink water. Any

> of

> you raise animals that can tell us for sure? Don't cows generally have to

> live

> near ponds & such?

>

>

 

Hmm...I'm not exactly sure what you mean by " stop " to drink water? Unlike

humans animals have no specific goals that requires them to face a fast-paced

lifestyle, other than surviving and, yes, if water if provided they will

drink when they feel the urge to do so. I don't claim to be an expert on

animals but I do work in the field that enables me to be surrounded by them.

The strongest instinct is to survive and water is one tool to that means.

 

And on another note to Lynn. Thank you. I have never even heard of

" wolfberries " until now. Thought it was quite interesting. Wonder if they

might be implicated in Asian diets as a main food staple as heart disease

seems to be much lower on the Eastern side of the globe.

 

Kandi

 

 

 

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Let me repeat for the third time, that my comment about the water-drinking

habits of the other animals besides humans, was that they did not stop in

response to a natural urge, to drink water VERY OFTEN......I never suggested

that they didn't stop to drink water.

The notion that we ought to be drinking huge amounts of water, in divided

doses, all day long, is extremely controversial. If, as some on this list

have indicated, they are drinking around 160 ounces of water a day (approx.

20 cups of water), and did so in 4 oz. increments; they'd have to stop to

drink water 40 times a day!

-

<kandi59274

 

Monday, December 10, 2001 5:10 AM

Stopping To Drink Water -- And Wolfberries

 

 

> In a message dated 12/9/01 3:43:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> mindy writes:

>

>

> > Hmm...I was under the impression that animals *do* stop to drink water.

Any

> > of

> > you raise animals that can tell us for sure? Don't cows generally have

to

> > live

> > near ponds & such?

> >

> >

>

> Hmm...I'm not exactly sure what you mean by " stop " to drink water? Unlike

> humans animals have no specific goals that requires them to face a

fast-paced

> lifestyle, other than surviving and, yes, if water if provided they will

> drink when they feel the urge to do so. I don't claim to be an expert on

> animals but I do work in the field that enables me to be surrounded by

them.

> The strongest instinct is to survive and water is one tool to that means.

>

> And on another note to Lynn. Thank you. I have never even heard of

> " wolfberries " until now. Thought it was quite interesting. Wonder if

they

> might be implicated in Asian diets as a main food staple as heart disease

> seems to be much lower on the Eastern side of the globe.

>

> Kandi

>

>

>

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In a message dated 12/10/01 6:47:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,

counterpnt writes:

 

> The notion that we ought to be drinking huge amounts of water, in divided

> doses, all day long, is extremely controversial. If, as some on this list

> have indicated, they are drinking around 160 ounces of water a day (approx.

> 20 cups of water), and did so in 4 oz. increments; they'd have to stop to

> drink water 40 times a day!

>

Thank you for repeating. I did try to find the introduction on this topic

but lost track somehow.

 

I do agree with what you noted (above). I feel that drinking too much water

that is not needed by the body is dangerous, even if done in divided doses.

Over-hydrating the body upsets the sodium balance which can lead to death.

 

Kandi

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 11/12/01 17:32:27 GMT Standard Time,

counterpnt writes:

 

I think I may well try this as 'fasting' menu for a week every couple of

months, it looks good.

Marianne

> fresh fruit, large amounts, and

> maximum variety, of fresh vegetables in two large salads a day, a few oz's

> of nuts and seeds, fresh celery and/or carrot (combined, if I wished, with

> fresh juiced apple), and some steamed veggies, etc.,

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Morning Kandi,

 

 

>I do agree with what you noted (above). I feel that drinking too much water

>that is not needed by the body is dangerous, even if done in divided doses.

>Over-hydrating the body upsets the sodium balance which can lead to death.

 

Your thinking parallels that of others. When I first started drinking

more water than the normal amount....... Two nurses told me exactly the

same thing.

 

Several months after I started this, and observes a number of posititive

changes, I had a blood analysis and my sodium was very near the top of the

normal range.

 

So..... here is what I told them.

 

" You have underestimated the ability of the body to take care of

itself " .

 

And I think we all do that to some degree. The body is such a genius

system, if it is given a half chance, it will accomplish miracles.

 

However, even though I am doing differently than Johns thinking, I still

agree with his logic which is exactly my observations relative to wild and

domestic animals.

 

Wayne

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Morning John,

 

At 06:41 PM 12/10/2001 -0800, you wrote:

>Let me repeat for the third time, that my comment about the water-drinking

>habits of the other animals besides humans, was that they did not stop in

>response to a natural urge, to drink water VERY OFTEN......I never suggested

>that they didn't stop to drink water.

 

I am glad you have the patience to tell us something " three times " .

 

An old friend who was a scholar, defined a genius as " anyone whom you only

have to tell something 3 times " .

 

So.... maybe some of us fit that description. ( others call this thick-headed)

 

 

>The notion that we ought to be drinking huge amounts of water, in divided

>doses, all day long, is extremely controversial. If, as some on this list

>have indicated, they are drinking around 160 ounces of water a day (approx.

>20 cups of water), and did so in 4 oz. increments; they'd have to stop to

>drink water 40 times a day!

 

I know.... but some people stop and drink coffee and cokes 40 times per day.

 

I don't have to stop 40 times because I drink water 16 and 20 ounces at a time.

 

It may be hard to believe, but even though I drink much more than most

people, I will still become thirsty, extremely thirsty.

 

Very likely I have something wrong inside. Maybe some of those 24 and 30

inch worms are using up all my water.

 

Protein uses up water in its digestions, does it not? Possibly the more

protein one gets the more water he needs.

 

In the distant past, I read something about a disorder that caused one to

drink large amounts of water.

 

One think for sure, I am open minded and don't claim my system to be

correct and the only one that works.

 

Within the last year, I have been able to grow all new toenails on one

foot. A year ago, these were thick and fungus toenails. I take so much

stuff, I have not a clue what was responsible for this. ( I suspect the

protein drink, green food, and flaxoil )

 

The problem is, my new system of eating a few selected foods and avoiding

others, seems to be working so well .... I am afraid to change anything.

 

Some doctor stated that 1/3 of the food we eat keeps us alive, the other

2/3 is what keeps your doctor alive.

 

So...... substitute the 2/3 with water..... Why not?

 

Wayne

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The best health practitioner I've gone to in my life, placed me on a simple

natural diet consisting of modest amounts of fresh fruit, large amounts, and

maximum variety, of fresh vegetables in two large salads a day, a few oz's

of nuts and seeds, fresh celery and/or carrot (combined, if I wished, with

fresh juiced apple), and some steamed veggies, etc., in the evening.

He told me, on one of my few visits to him, that if I tried to remain true

to his general dietary suggestions, I'd be able to rely on my natural urge

for water, and not have to coax myself to drink it. He didn't have much

regard for supplements; but I believe his view in this matter, was

unjustified. In any case, when I followed his diet, I experienced a level

of well-being, strength and vitality, I didn't believe was possible.

-

" Wayne Fugitt " <wayne

 

Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:19 AM

Re: Stopping To Drink Water -- And Wolfberries

 

 

> Morning John,

>

> At 06:41 PM 12/10/2001 -0800, you wrote:

> >Let me repeat for the third time, that my comment about the

water-drinking

> >habits of the other animals besides humans, was that they did not stop in

> >response to a natural urge, to drink water VERY OFTEN......I never

suggested

> >that they didn't stop to drink water.

>

> I am glad you have the patience to tell us something " three times " .

>

> An old friend who was a scholar, defined a genius as " anyone whom you only

> have to tell something 3 times " .

>

> So.... maybe some of us fit that description. ( others call this

thick-headed)

>

>

> >The notion that we ought to be drinking huge amounts of water, in divided

> >doses, all day long, is extremely controversial. If, as some on this

list

> >have indicated, they are drinking around 160 ounces of water a day

(approx.

> >20 cups of water), and did so in 4 oz. increments; they'd have to stop to

> >drink water 40 times a day!

>

> I know.... but some people stop and drink coffee and cokes 40 times per

day.

>

> I don't have to stop 40 times because I drink water 16 and 20 ounces at a

time.

>

> It may be hard to believe, but even though I drink much more than most

> people, I will still become thirsty, extremely thirsty.

>

> Very likely I have something wrong inside. Maybe some of those 24 and 30

> inch worms are using up all my water.

>

> Protein uses up water in its digestions, does it not? Possibly the more

> protein one gets the more water he needs.

>

> In the distant past, I read something about a disorder that caused one to

> drink large amounts of water.

>

> One think for sure, I am open minded and don't claim my system to be

> correct and the only one that works.

>

> Within the last year, I have been able to grow all new toenails on one

> foot. A year ago, these were thick and fungus toenails. I take so much

> stuff, I have not a clue what was responsible for this. ( I suspect the

> protein drink, green food, and flaxoil )

>

> The problem is, my new system of eating a few selected foods and avoiding

> others, seems to be working so well .... I am afraid to change anything.

>

> Some doctor stated that 1/3 of the food we eat keeps us alive, the other

> 2/3 is what keeps your doctor alive.

>

> So...... substitute the 2/3 with water..... Why not?

>

> Wayne

 

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-

<kandi59274

 

Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:51 AM

Re: Stopping To Drink Water -- And Wolfberries

 

 

> In a message dated 12/10/01 6:47:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> counterpnt writes:

>

> > The notion that we ought to be drinking huge amounts of water, in

divided

> > doses, all day long, is extremely controversial. If, as some on this

list

> > have indicated, they are drinking around 160 ounces of water a day

(approx.

> > 20 cups of water), and did so in 4 oz. increments; they'd have to stop

to

> > drink water 40 times a day!

> >

> Thank you for repeating. I did try to find the introduction on this topic

> but lost track somehow.

>

> I do agree with what you noted (above). I feel that drinking too much

water

> that is not needed by the body is dangerous, even if done in divided

doses.

> Over-hydrating the body upsets the sodium balance which can lead to death.

>

> Kandi

>

 

I carry a jug of water with me wherever I go. I have done so for

the past 8 years. I find that by drinking water whenever I wanted (as

opposed to drinking " thirst quenching " drinks every few hours) my general

mood improved greatly. My water intake grew over the years. Last summer

it was up to 2 gallons a day. But I discovered I had diabetes. Once I

got my blood sugar levels under control, my water use dropped. I still

carry my jug with me everywhere. I still like to take a slug or 2 of water

3-5 times an hour. But my daily consumption is down to about 70 ounces a

day in winter. I suspect it will go up some in summer due to perspiration

loss as I live in New Orleans where it is hot & I work outside at night.

 

Alobar

[Guest guest]

We need well designed research into this matter of how much water is

desirable for people under varied circumstances. But the mere fact that

people can grow accustomed to drinking water all day, doesn't mean any more,

for all we know, than that they can grow accustomed to drinking booze all

day long. Increased water consumption is probably called for in the case of

certain disease conditions, but it may be a mistake in other circumstances.

In any case, the actual need for water, on an individual basis, probably

varies enormously.

-

" Alobar " <alobar

 

Tuesday, December 11, 2001 10:38 AM

Re: Stopping To Drink Water -- And Wolfberries

 

 

>

> -

> <kandi59274

>

> Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:51 AM

> Re: Stopping To Drink Water -- And Wolfberries

>

>

> > In a message dated 12/10/01 6:47:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > counterpnt writes:

> >

> > > The notion that we ought to be drinking huge amounts of water, in

> divided

> > > doses, all day long, is extremely controversial. If, as some on this

> list

> > > have indicated, they are drinking around 160 ounces of water a day

> (approx.

> > > 20 cups of water), and did so in 4 oz. increments; they'd have to stop

> to

> > > drink water 40 times a day!

> > >

> > Thank you for repeating. I did try to find the introduction on this

topic

> > but lost track somehow.

> >

> > I do agree with what you noted (above). I feel that drinking too much

> water

> > that is not needed by the body is dangerous, even if done in divided

> doses.

> > Over-hydrating the body upsets the sodium balance which can lead to

death.

> >

> > Kandi

> >

>

> I carry a jug of water with me wherever I go. I have done so for

> the past 8 years. I find that by drinking water whenever I wanted (as

> opposed to drinking " thirst quenching " drinks every few hours) my general

> mood improved greatly. My water intake grew over the years. Last

summer

> it was up to 2 gallons a day. But I discovered I had diabetes. Once I

> got my blood sugar levels under control, my water use dropped. I still

> carry my jug with me everywhere. I still like to take a slug or 2 of

water

> 3-5 times an hour. But my daily consumption is down to about 70 ounces a

> day in winter. I suspect it will go up some in summer due to

perspiration

> loss as I live in New Orleans where it is hot & I work outside at night.

>

> Alobar

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I love water, and drink between 3 liters to just over a

gallon a day. I notice a huge difference on days when I

don't drink much water. I do give attention to water

soluble vitamins and electrolytes, making sure my diet is

rich in nutrients.

 

There's a lot of research out there regarding water, plus

and minus.

 

I couldn't imagine drinking any less, I just love it. To

each his/her own.

 

Ken

 

 

>We need well designed research into this matter of how much

water is

>desirable for people under varied circumstances. But the

mere fact that

>people can grow accustomed to drinking water all day,

doesn't mean any more,

>for all we know, than that they can grow accustomed to

drinking booze all

>day long. Increased water consumption is probably called

for in the case of

>certain disease conditions, but it may be a mistake in

other circumstances.

>In any case, the actual need for water, on an individual

basis, probably

>varies enormously.