Guest guest Posted December 10, 2001 Report Share Posted December 10, 2001 Hi All, I am writing this for my future daughter in law Phillipa. (Pip) Pip is 29 yrs old, and her history is, at 11yrs old she had ½ an ovary removed because of an ovarian cyst about the size of a football. It had been there for many yrs. Dr's, specialists, etc, all came up with different theories, till the right dr, made the right diagnosis and had it removed. That eventually grew back. Then, when she was 24, another cyst a little larger than a football was removed, along with the ovary and fallopian tube. Pip's last ovary and fallopian tube were removed along with another cyst, this year after yet another dr kept on misdiagnosing the problem. The uterus is still intact. Pip is now going through surgical menopause, and is currently taking Wyeth Prempak CO.625 mg HRT. Pip takes 1 daily, then for 13 days she has to take an estrogen tab, she doesn't know the name, because for some reason the dr wont give her the tabs till it is time to take them, very weird. What Pip would like to know is: 1) is there any way she can conceive ?? 2) are there any supplements, herbs, etc, that she can take instead of the allo, or is allo the only way to go ?? TIA. Regards, Dorothy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2001 Report Share Posted December 10, 2001 In a message dated 10/12/01 18:08:14 GMT Standard Time, dotcats writes: I think it is a worldwide problem - it is here also. Marianne > Hi JoAnn, > you don't have that on your own, our diet is about the same here in NZ. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2001 Report Share Posted December 10, 2001 Hi Dorothy, I feel for your daughter-in-law. My daughter-in-law had similar problems, a lap was proposed as the remedy. Fortunatly I was able to help her with diet/herbs and she was able to forgo surgery! I thank God for the internet. I had been on a site last year where all they discussed were natural alternatives for female problems!! Female problems of any kind are linked to the horrendous american diet and the numerous ways our foods are perverted with Genetically Engineering and Bovine Growth Hormones. The first thing I would recommend is to start eating organic. Dairy is full of Bovine Growth Hormones that vitally affect the way our hormones are produced and contribute to Estrogen dominance which is usually at the source of the problems. Cysts and Endo and other female problems including the menopause problems are a result of environmental pollutants and the perversion of our food supply! It's a crying shame that our daughters have to be afflicted this way. If you'd like, you may email me for the complete diet that Jill followed to avoid surgery! HRT is not the answer, neither are the drugs, i.e. Lupron, etc, that are prescribed for this. Surgery is not the answer either. Women who have had major surgery are still in dire pain. Visit some of the who are devoted to natural healing. They are suffering at the hands of their docs but are unable to trust alternatives. I thank God that I was able to get my daughterinlaw in time. It is never too late to start alternatives, though. They do work, albeit more slowly than drugs, but with true and lasting healing properties! Drugs only mask over symptoms. Drugs do NOT cure!! Hugs, JoAnn JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/Womantowoman.html " Dorothy " <dotcats@x> wrote: > Hi All, > I am writing this for my future daughter in law Phillipa. (Pip) > > Pip is 29 yrs old, and her history is, at 11yrs old she had ½ an ovary > removed because of an ovarian cyst about the size of a football. > It had been there for many yrs. Dr's, specialists, etc, all came up with > different theories, till the right dr, made the right diagnosis and had it > removed. > That eventually grew back. > > Then, when she was 24, another cyst a little larger than a football was > removed, along with the ovary and fallopian tube. > > Pip's last ovary and fallopian tube were removed along with another cyst, > this year after yet another dr kept on misdiagnosing the problem. The uterus > is still intact. > > Pip is now going through surgical menopause, and is currently taking Wyeth > Prempak CO.625 mg HRT. > Pip takes 1 daily, then for 13 days she has to take an estrogen tab, she > doesn't know the name, because for some reason the dr wont give her the tabs > till it is time to take them, very weird. > > What Pip would like to know is: > 1) is there any way she can conceive ?? > 2) are there any supplements, herbs, etc, that she can take instead of the > allo, or is allo the only way to go ?? TIA. > > Regards, Dorothy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2001 Report Share Posted December 10, 2001 >>>>>Female problems of any kind are linked to the horrendous american diet Hi JoAnn, you don't have that on your own, our diet is about the same here in NZ. >>>>>and the numerous ways our foods are perverted with Genetically Engineering and Bovine Growth Hormones. NZ is always being depicted as clean and green, couldn't be further from the truth. One thing they are always dropping here in the countryside, is 1080 a deadly poison to kill possums, it also kills cows, sheep etc. The water in the high country rivers is not save to drink. etc, etc. We aren't told what goes into the animals, though last year we were told that they weren't going to be feeding cows any more antibiotics. Here though, it is not always what goes into the animal, it is what they **preserve** it in after it is cut and ready to be packaged, all you see is a greeny, reddish, really smelly slime. Fortunately for my son and i, we don't have to purchase that crap, we get wild venison and pork, plus i have a boarder who is a butcher and gets very cheap meat straight from the farmer, usually he does some for the farmer and gets some thrown in for doing it. I never really knew what meat tasted like till i had *fresh* what a difference. >>>>>The first thing I would recommend is to start eating organic. They do grow a lot of their own veges, but i will tell her to try and get organic, in what she buys. >>>>>If you'd like, you may email me for the complete diet that Jill followed to avoid surgery! If that would help, yes please, i would like that, but don't forget Pip only has her uterus left. >>>>>Surgery is not the answer either. In Pip's case it was, as the cysts were so big. Maybe if they had been diagnosed earlier, things would have been different. I would have thought that after losing the 1st one, they would have been a bit more diligant. Still, what can you expect from dr's ?? >>>>>Visit some of the who are devoted to natural healing. They are suffering at the hands of their docs but are unable to trust alternatives. Do you have any addy's for them ?? if not, i will do a search. >>>>>It is never too late to start alternatives, though. They do work, albeit more slowly than drugs, Can you suggest other alternatives to the HRT ?? >>>>>Drugs do NOT cure!! Yes, you are right there, i found that out first hand with my late husband, and now with my own problems. >>>>>Hugs and bakatcha. Regards, Dorothy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2001 Report Share Posted December 10, 2001 Dorothy wrote: > What Pip would like to know is: > 1) is there any way she can conceive ?? > 2) are there any supplements, herbs, etc, that she can take instead of the > allo, or is allo the only way to go ?? TIA. Dorothy, Isn't the doc giving her progesterone too, in addition to the estrogen? Some herbs that may help, depending on what her diagnosis is (what IS her diagnosis, anyway? Does she have PCOS?)... Does she struggle with weight gain, facial hair, hair thinning on top, apple-shaped body? 1. vitex (chasteberry) 2. dong quai -- Mindy ----------------------- " ...that they may be one... " - Jesus, John 17:22 AIM: BirthJnky ICQ: 114149 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2001 Report Share Posted December 10, 2001 Dorothy, New Zealand has the same problems? Seems that we are not alone. sorry to hear that you are experiencing many of these same problems! Sounds like your meat is just about as tasty as ours. LOL So glad that you have a *fresh* source though. Organic is the way to go in that respect! Well, sometimes surgery is a necessary evil but I will say that it does not " cure " the women,formany times the same problems return over time and with more vengeance! I have heard many horror stories to that effect! I am sure that alternatives will produce a lasting cure, if combined with the proper dietary changes. Bovine growth hormone is implicated. I stopped eating Dairy until I found a organic substitute! Chasteberry is a good herb for female problems, but if she is in the throes of menopause perhaps Black Cohosh would be more beneficial. I also use Mexican Wild Yam. There are many good herbs and phytoestroens that can be used to alleviate the problems. Beans and Lentils are beneficial also. JoAnn JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/Womantowoman.html > >>>>>Female problems of any kind are linked to the horrendous american > diet > > > > > > Hi JoAnn, > you don't have that on your own, our diet is about the same here in NZ. > > > > > > >>>>>and the numerous ways our foods are perverted with Genetically > Engineering and Bovine Growth Hormones. > > > > > > NZ is always being depicted as clean and green, couldn't be further from the > truth. One thing they are always dropping here in the countryside, is 1080 a > deadly poison to kill possums, it also kills cows, sheep etc. The water in > the high country rivers is not save to drink. etc, etc. > We aren't told what goes into the animals, though last year we were told > that they weren't going to be feeding cows any more antibiotics. Here > though, it is not always what goes into the animal, it is what they > **preserve** it in after it is cut and ready to be packaged, all you see is > a greeny, reddish, really smelly slime. > Fortunately for my son and i, we don't have to purchase that crap, we get > wild venison and pork, plus i have a boarder who is a butcher and gets very > cheap meat straight from the farmer, usually he does some for the farmer and > gets some thrown in for doing it. I never really knew what meat tasted like > till i had *fresh* what a difference. >>>>>The first thing I would recommend is to start eating organic. They do grow a lot of their own veges, but i will tell her to try and get > organic, in what she buys. >>>>>If you'd like, you may email me for the complete diet that Jill > followed to avoid surgery! > > > > > > If that would help, yes please, i would like that, but don't forget Pip only > has her uterus left. > > > > > > >>>>>Surgery is not the answer either. > > > > > > In Pip's case it was, as the cysts were so big. > Maybe if they had been diagnosed earlier, things would have been different. > I would have thought that after losing the 1st one, they would have been a > bit more diligant. Still, what can you expect from dr's ?? > > > > > > >>>>>Visit some of the who are devoted to natural healing. They are > suffering at the hands of their docs but are unable to trust alternatives. > > > > > > Do you have any addy's for them ?? if not, i will do a search. > > > > > > >>>>>It is never too late to start alternatives, though. They do work, > albeit more slowly than drugs, Can you suggest other alternatives to the HRT ?? >>>>>Drugs do NOT cure!! > > > > > > Yes, you are right there, i found that out first hand with my late husband, > and now with my own problems. > > > > > > >>>>>Hugs > > > > > > and bakatcha. > Regards, Dorothy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 In a message dated 10/12/01 23:00:20 GMT Standard Time, joguest writes: I have wild yam but for some reason, I have in the back of my mind that I must not use Black Cohosh - something to do with one of the many health problems that I have. Raspberry Leaf is another good one for menopausal symptoms. Marianne > Chasteberry is a good herb for female problems, but if she is in > the throes of menopause perhaps Black Cohosh would be more > beneficial. I also use Mexican Wild Yam. There are many good herbs > and phytoestroens that can be used to alleviate the problems. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 Black Cohosh is excellent for menopause, but don't mix it with any more hormone replacement therapies....Wild Yam is pretty good, too.....didn't know that about Raspberry Leaf for menopause, only pregnancy......Also, if you are high in estrogen, which can make menopause rougher, eat less meat as estrogen comes from that as well, and there are foods that help fight estrogen such as lentils.... HTH God Bless Erin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 In a message dated 11/12/01 20:23:52 GMT Standard Time, ErinGJ80 writes: I will try to find out more about Raspberry Leaf - I cannot remember why I cannot take Black Cohosh but it was a very valid reason at the time. How would I find out about estrogen levels - I have to have a good reason to get my gp to authorise a test. Marianne > Also, if you are high in estrogen, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 >>>>>Isn't the doc giving her progesterone too, in addition to the estrogen? Hi Mindy, Pip reckons that the prempac is progesterone. >>>>>Does she have PCOS?)... No. >>>>>Does she struggle with weight gain, Yes. >>>>>facial hair, hair thinning on top, No. >>>>>apple-shaped body? Yes. >>>>>Some herbs that may help, depending on what her diagnosis is 1. vitex (chasteberry) 2. dong quai Will these help her ?? Thank you for your help. Take care. Regards, Dorothy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 Black cohosh can be toxic Donna In a message dated 01/11/12 4:55:13 PM, alobar writes: << cringe & shiver. Black cohosh did not work for what she was intending. Alobar >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 - <marianne2406 Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:26 PM Re: Re: Surgical menopause > In a message dated 11/12/01 20:23:52 GMT Standard Time, ErinGJ80 > writes: > > I will try to find out more about Raspberry Leaf - I cannot remember why I > cannot take Black Cohosh but it was a very valid reason at the time. I recently met a woman who was 2 weeks overdue in having her baby. She used black cohosh to attempt to induce labor. She knew nothing of herbs, and was just following someone else's recipe. He attitudes made me cringe & shiver. Black cohosh did not work for what she was intending. Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 In a message dated 12/11/2001 12:53:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, alobar writes: > I recently met a woman who was 2 weeks overdue in having her baby. > She used black cohosh to attempt to induce labor. She knew nothing of > herbs, and was just following someone else's recipe. He attitudes made me > cringe & shiver. Black cohosh did not work for what she was intending. Eek! LOL No, Black Cohosh only dialates you if you are dialating or about to go into labor...I, for one, don't see anything wrong with it when in the actual stages; but as an induction, absolutely not. Erin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 In a message dated 11/12/01 20:53:21 GMT Standard Time, alobar writes: I never take anything unless it has been recommended or I have read a lot about it - how dangerous to take something like that when pregnant - she could have poisoned her baby, I do hope that there were no repercussions. Marianne > I recently met a woman who was 2 weeks overdue in having her baby. > She used black cohosh to attempt to induce labor. She knew nothing of > herbs, and was just following someone else's recipe. He attitudes made me > cringe & shiver. Black cohosh did not work for what she was intending. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 In a message dated 5/1/02 21:13:44 GMT Standard Time, alobar writes: especially as there is so much information against everything she was doing - these women do not deserve the gift of giving birth. Marianne > > > I am often amazed at how many babies actually live considering the > lifestyles of their mothers. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 - <marianne2406 Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:31 AM Re: Re: Surgical menopause > In a message dated 11/12/01 20:53:21 GMT Standard Time, alobar > writes: > > I never take anything unless it has been recommended or I have read a lot > about it - how dangerous to take something like that when pregnant - she > could have poisoned her baby, I do hope that there were no repercussions. > Marianne > > > I recently met a woman who was 2 weeks overdue in having her baby. > > She used black cohosh to attempt to induce labor. She knew nothing of > > herbs, and was just following someone else's recipe. He attitudes made me > > cringe & shiver. Black cohosh did not work for what she was intending. > > > Her baby finally came. She was several weeks overdue & the baby was tiny. The woman pushed herself hard during her pregnancy by working nearly 7 days a week, eating junk food, and smoking all the time. I am often amazed at how many babies actually live considering the lifestyles of their mothers. Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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