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Hi All,

I am writing this for my future daughter in law Phillipa. (Pip)

 

Pip is 29 yrs old, and her history is, at 11yrs old she had ½ an ovary

removed because of an ovarian cyst about the size of a football.

It had been there for many yrs. Dr's, specialists, etc, all came up with

different theories, till the right dr, made the right diagnosis and had it

removed.

That eventually grew back.

 

Then, when she was 24, another cyst a little larger than a football was

removed, along with the ovary and fallopian tube.

 

Pip's last ovary and fallopian tube were removed along with another cyst,

this year after yet another dr kept on misdiagnosing the problem. The uterus

is still intact.

 

Pip is now going through surgical menopause, and is currently taking Wyeth

Prempak CO.625 mg HRT.

Pip takes 1 daily, then for 13 days she has to take an estrogen tab, she

doesn't know the name, because for some reason the dr wont give her the tabs

till it is time to take them, very weird.

 

What Pip would like to know is:

1) is there any way she can conceive ??

2) are there any supplements, herbs, etc, that she can take instead of the

allo, or is allo the only way to go ?? TIA.

 

Regards, Dorothy.

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In a message dated 10/12/01 18:08:14 GMT Standard Time, dotcats

writes:

 

I think it is a worldwide problem - it is here also.

 

Marianne

 

> Hi JoAnn,

> you don't have that on your own, our diet is about the same here in NZ.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Dorothy,

I feel for your daughter-in-law. My daughter-in-law had similar

problems, a lap was proposed as the remedy. Fortunatly I was able to

help her with diet/herbs and she was able to forgo surgery! I thank

God for the internet. I had been on a site last year where all they

discussed were natural alternatives for female problems!!

Female problems of any kind are linked to the horrendous american

diet and the numerous ways our foods are perverted with Genetically

Engineering and Bovine Growth Hormones. The first thing I would

recommend is to start eating organic. Dairy is full of Bovine Growth

Hormones that vitally affect the way our hormones are produced and

contribute to Estrogen dominance which is usually at the source of

the problems. Cysts and Endo and other female problems including the

menopause problems are a result of environmental pollutants and the

perversion of our food supply! It's a crying shame that our daughters

have to be afflicted this way.

If you'd like, you may email me for the complete diet that Jill

followed to avoid surgery!

HRT is not the answer, neither are the drugs, i.e. Lupron, etc,

that are prescribed for this. Surgery is not the answer either. Women

who have had major surgery are still in dire pain. Visit some of the

who are devoted to natural healing. They are suffering at the

hands of their docs but are unable to trust alternatives. I thank God

that I was able to get my daughterinlaw in time. It is never too late

to start alternatives, though. They do work, albeit more slowly than

drugs, but with true and lasting healing properties! Drugs only mask

over symptoms. Drugs do NOT cure!!

Hugs, JoAnn

 

JoAnn Guest

joguest

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http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/Womantowoman.html

 

 

 

" Dorothy " <dotcats@x> wrote:

> Hi All,

> I am writing this for my future daughter in law Phillipa. (Pip)

>

> Pip is 29 yrs old, and her history is, at 11yrs old she had ½ an

ovary

> removed because of an ovarian cyst about the size of a football.

> It had been there for many yrs. Dr's, specialists, etc, all came up

with

> different theories, till the right dr, made the right diagnosis and

had it

> removed.

> That eventually grew back.

>

> Then, when she was 24, another cyst a little larger than a football

was

> removed, along with the ovary and fallopian tube.

>

> Pip's last ovary and fallopian tube were removed along with another

cyst,

> this year after yet another dr kept on misdiagnosing the problem.

The uterus

> is still intact.

>

> Pip is now going through surgical menopause, and is currently

taking Wyeth

> Prempak CO.625 mg HRT.

> Pip takes 1 daily, then for 13 days she has to take an estrogen

tab, she

> doesn't know the name, because for some reason the dr wont give her

the tabs

> till it is time to take them, very weird.

>

> What Pip would like to know is:

> 1) is there any way she can conceive ??

> 2) are there any supplements, herbs, etc, that she can take instead

of the

> allo, or is allo the only way to go ?? TIA.

>

> Regards, Dorothy.

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>>>>>Female problems of any kind are linked to the horrendous american

diet

 

 

 

 

 

Hi JoAnn,

you don't have that on your own, our diet is about the same here in NZ.

 

 

 

 

 

>>>>>and the numerous ways our foods are perverted with Genetically

Engineering and Bovine Growth Hormones.

 

 

 

 

 

NZ is always being depicted as clean and green, couldn't be further from the

truth. One thing they are always dropping here in the countryside, is 1080 a

deadly poison to kill possums, it also kills cows, sheep etc. The water in

the high country rivers is not save to drink. etc, etc.

We aren't told what goes into the animals, though last year we were told

that they weren't going to be feeding cows any more antibiotics. Here

though, it is not always what goes into the animal, it is what they

**preserve** it in after it is cut and ready to be packaged, all you see is

a greeny, reddish, really smelly slime.

Fortunately for my son and i, we don't have to purchase that crap, we get

wild venison and pork, plus i have a boarder who is a butcher and gets very

cheap meat straight from the farmer, usually he does some for the farmer and

gets some thrown in for doing it. I never really knew what meat tasted like

till i had *fresh* what a difference.

 

 

 

 

 

 

>>>>>The first thing I would recommend is to start eating organic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

They do grow a lot of their own veges, but i will tell her to try and get

organic, in what she buys.

 

 

 

 

 

 

>>>>>If you'd like, you may email me for the complete diet that Jill

followed to avoid surgery!

 

 

 

 

 

If that would help, yes please, i would like that, but don't forget Pip only

has her uterus left.

 

 

 

 

 

>>>>>Surgery is not the answer either.

 

 

 

 

 

In Pip's case it was, as the cysts were so big.

Maybe if they had been diagnosed earlier, things would have been different.

I would have thought that after losing the 1st one, they would have been a

bit more diligant. Still, what can you expect from dr's ??

 

 

 

 

 

>>>>>Visit some of the who are devoted to natural healing. They are

suffering at the hands of their docs but are unable to trust alternatives.

 

 

 

 

 

Do you have any addy's for them ?? if not, i will do a search.

 

 

 

 

 

>>>>>It is never too late to start alternatives, though. They do work,

albeit more slowly than drugs,

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you suggest other alternatives to the HRT ??

 

 

 

 

 

 

>>>>>Drugs do NOT cure!!

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, you are right there, i found that out first hand with my late husband,

and now with my own problems.

 

 

 

 

 

>>>>>Hugs

 

 

 

 

 

and bakatcha.

Regards, Dorothy.

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Dorothy wrote:

 

> What Pip would like to know is:

> 1) is there any way she can conceive ??

> 2) are there any supplements, herbs, etc, that she can take instead of the

> allo, or is allo the only way to go ?? TIA.

 

Dorothy,

Isn't the doc giving her progesterone too, in addition to the estrogen?

 

Some herbs that may help, depending on what her diagnosis is (what IS her

diagnosis, anyway? Does she have PCOS?)... Does she struggle with weight

gain, facial hair, hair thinning on top, apple-shaped body?

 

1. vitex (chasteberry)

2. dong quai

 

 

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Dorothy,

 

New Zealand has the same problems? Seems that we are not alone.

sorry to hear that you are experiencing many of these same problems!

Sounds like your meat is just about as tasty as ours. LOL

So glad that you have a *fresh* source though. Organic is the way to

go in that respect!

Well, sometimes surgery is a necessary evil but I will say that it

does not " cure " the women,formany times the same problems return over

time and with more vengeance!

I have heard many horror stories to that effect!

I am sure that alternatives will produce a lasting cure, if combined

with the proper dietary changes. Bovine growth hormone is implicated.

I stopped eating Dairy until I found a organic substitute!

Chasteberry is a good herb for female problems, but if she is in

the throes of menopause perhaps Black Cohosh would be more

beneficial. I also use Mexican Wild Yam. There are many good herbs

and phytoestroens that can be used to alleviate the problems.

 

Beans and Lentils are beneficial also.

 

JoAnn

 

 

JoAnn Guest

joguest

Friendsforhealthnaturally

http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/Womantowoman.html

 

 

 

 

> >>>>>Female problems of any kind are linked to the horrendous

american

> diet

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi JoAnn,

> you don't have that on your own, our diet is about the same here in

NZ.

>

>

>

>

>

> >>>>>and the numerous ways our foods are perverted with Genetically

> Engineering and Bovine Growth Hormones.

>

>

>

>

>

> NZ is always being depicted as clean and green, couldn't be further

from the

> truth. One thing they are always dropping here in the countryside,

is 1080 a

> deadly poison to kill possums, it also kills cows, sheep etc. The

water in

> the high country rivers is not save to drink. etc, etc.

> We aren't told what goes into the animals, though last year we were

told

> that they weren't going to be feeding cows any more antibiotics.

Here

> though, it is not always what goes into the animal, it is what they

> **preserve** it in after it is cut and ready to be packaged, all

you see is

> a greeny, reddish, really smelly slime.

> Fortunately for my son and i, we don't have to purchase that crap,

we get

> wild venison and pork, plus i have a boarder who is a butcher and

gets very

> cheap meat straight from the farmer, usually he does some for the

farmer and

> gets some thrown in for doing it. I never really knew what meat

tasted like

> till i had *fresh* what a difference.

>>>>>The first thing I would recommend is to start eating organic.

They do grow a lot of their own veges, but i will tell her to try

and get

> organic, in what she buys.

>>>>>If you'd like, you may email me for the complete diet that Jill

> followed to avoid surgery!

>

>

>

>

>

> If that would help, yes please, i would like that, but don't forget

Pip only

> has her uterus left.

>

>

>

>

>

> >>>>>Surgery is not the answer either.

>

>

>

>

>

> In Pip's case it was, as the cysts were so big.

> Maybe if they had been diagnosed earlier, things would have been

different.

> I would have thought that after losing the 1st one, they would have

been a

> bit more diligant. Still, what can you expect from dr's ??

>

>

>

>

>

> >>>>>Visit some of the who are devoted to natural healing.

They are

> suffering at the hands of their docs but are unable to trust

alternatives.

>

>

>

>

>

> Do you have any addy's for them ?? if not, i will do a search.

>

>

>

>

>

> >>>>>It is never too late to start alternatives, though. They do

work,

> albeit more slowly than drugs,

Can you suggest other alternatives to the HRT ??

>>>>>Drugs do NOT cure!!

>

>

>

>

>

> Yes, you are right there, i found that out first hand with my late

husband,

> and now with my own problems.

>

>

>

>

>

> >>>>>Hugs

>

>

>

>

>

> and bakatcha.

> Regards, Dorothy.

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In a message dated 10/12/01 23:00:20 GMT Standard Time,

joguest writes:

 

I have wild yam but for some reason, I have in the back of my mind that I

must not use Black Cohosh - something to do with one of the many health

problems that I have. Raspberry Leaf is another good one for menopausal

symptoms.

Marianne

> Chasteberry is a good herb for female problems, but if she is in

> the throes of menopause perhaps Black Cohosh would be more

> beneficial. I also use Mexican Wild Yam. There are many good herbs

> and phytoestroens that can be used to alleviate the problems.

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Black Cohosh is excellent for menopause, but don't mix it with any more

hormone replacement therapies....Wild Yam is pretty good, too.....didn't know

that about Raspberry Leaf for menopause, only pregnancy......Also, if you are

high in estrogen, which can make menopause rougher, eat less meat as estrogen

comes from that as well, and there are foods that help fight estrogen such as

lentils....

 

HTH

God Bless

Erin

 

 

 

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In a message dated 11/12/01 20:23:52 GMT Standard Time, ErinGJ80

writes:

 

I will try to find out more about Raspberry Leaf - I cannot remember why I

cannot take Black Cohosh but it was a very valid reason at the time.

How would I find out about estrogen levels - I have to have a good reason to

get my gp to authorise a test.

Marianne

 

> Also, if you are high in estrogen,

 

 

 

 

 

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>>>>>Isn't the doc giving her progesterone too, in addition to the estrogen?

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Mindy,

Pip reckons that the prempac is progesterone.

 

 

 

 

 

>>>>>Does she have PCOS?)...

 

No.

 

 

 

 

 

>>>>>Does she struggle with weight gain,

 

Yes.

 

 

 

 

>>>>>facial hair, hair thinning on top,

 

No.

 

 

 

 

>>>>>apple-shaped body?

 

Yes.

 

 

 

 

>>>>>Some herbs that may help, depending on what her diagnosis is

1. vitex (chasteberry)

2. dong quai

 

Will these help her ??

Thank you for your help.

 

Take care.

 

Regards, Dorothy.

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Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:26 PM

Re: Re: Surgical menopause

 

 

> In a message dated 11/12/01 20:23:52 GMT Standard Time, ErinGJ80

> writes:

>

> I will try to find out more about Raspberry Leaf - I cannot remember why I

> cannot take Black Cohosh but it was a very valid reason at the time.

 

I recently met a woman who was 2 weeks overdue in having her baby.

She used black cohosh to attempt to induce labor. She knew nothing of

herbs, and was just following someone else's recipe. He attitudes made me

cringe & shiver. Black cohosh did not work for what she was intending.

 

Alobar

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In a message dated 12/11/2001 12:53:18 PM Pacific Standard Time,

alobar writes:

 

 

> I recently met a woman who was 2 weeks overdue in having her baby.

> She used black cohosh to attempt to induce labor. She knew nothing of

> herbs, and was just following someone else's recipe. He attitudes made me

> cringe & shiver. Black cohosh did not work for what she was intending.

 

Eek! LOL No, Black Cohosh only dialates you if you are dialating or about

to go into labor...I, for one, don't see anything wrong with it when in the

actual stages; but as an induction, absolutely not.

 

Erin

 

 

 

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In a message dated 11/12/01 20:53:21 GMT Standard Time, alobar

writes:

 

I never take anything unless it has been recommended or I have read a lot

about it - how dangerous to take something like that when pregnant - she

could have poisoned her baby, I do hope that there were no repercussions.

Marianne

 

> I recently met a woman who was 2 weeks overdue in having her baby.

> She used black cohosh to attempt to induce labor. She knew nothing of

> herbs, and was just following someone else's recipe. He attitudes made me

> cringe & shiver. Black cohosh did not work for what she was intending.

>

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 5/1/02 21:13:44 GMT Standard Time, alobar

writes:

 

especially as there is so much information against everything she was doing -

these women do not deserve the gift of giving birth.

Marianne

>

>

> I am often amazed at how many babies actually live considering the

> lifestyles of their mothers.

>

 

 

 

 

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<marianne2406

 

Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:31 AM

Re: Re: Surgical menopause

 

 

> In a message dated 11/12/01 20:53:21 GMT Standard Time,

alobar

> writes:

>

> I never take anything unless it has been recommended or I have read a lot

> about it - how dangerous to take something like that when pregnant - she

> could have poisoned her baby, I do hope that there were no repercussions.

> Marianne

>

> > I recently met a woman who was 2 weeks overdue in having her baby.

> > She used black cohosh to attempt to induce labor. She knew nothing of

> > herbs, and was just following someone else's recipe. He attitudes made

me

> > cringe & shiver. Black cohosh did not work for what she was intending.

> >

>

 

Her baby finally came. She was several weeks overdue & the baby

was tiny. The woman pushed herself hard during her pregnancy by working

nearly 7 days a week, eating junk food, and smoking all the time.

 

I am often amazed at how many babies actually live considering the

lifestyles of their mothers.

 

Alobar

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