Guest guest Posted September 3, 2001 Report Share Posted September 3, 2001 I have a fairly conservative book written in 1987 called The Right Dose that says basically prolonged doses over 2000mg of calcium and/or susceptible people to kidney stones; people with cancer, Cushing's syndrome, Fanconi's syndrome, gout, heart disease, high blood calcium from any cause, hyperparathyroidism, hyperthyroidism, hypothyroidism, immobilization due to illness or injury, kidney conditions (incl. stones, failure, kidney transplant), metabolic acidosis, sarcoidosis, vitamin D overdose; or people on cortisone drugs regularly, digitalis, high dose vitamin D, or thiazide diuretics need to be under doctor's care when supplementing, or avoid altogether. Of magnesium, basically safe if kidneys are working properly, and no known toxicity in healthy individuals from supplements under 1,700mg. That's a quick scan, and not a 'release the hounds " type okay, but I would ask her to show you in writing what the harm would be! In Health, Steve ----------------------------- OK, I just met with a doula client who is also a nurse. Although she is ver y pro-non-medicated birth, she appears to be leary of anything natural/alte rnative otherwise. She got quite upset when I suggested taking calcium/mag nesium combo to help slow/stop pre-term contrax... She said that it is ver y dangerous for the heart and you should only take calcium under the superv ision of a doc and that you should always know where your electrolytes are if you are considering taking calcium. Can anyone educate me here? I took cal/mag with both pg's to stop my pre-term labor... And that was ok'd by a n OB and an ND with my first pg and ok'd by and MD and my m/w with the seco nd, without running any tests at all... I also was prescribed to take cal/ mag at bedtime to relax me, since I had such chaotic dreams... Sindea sindea http://sindea5.homestead.com/home.html Driving Washington nuts since 1991... *** [This message has been truncated.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2001 Report Share Posted September 4, 2001 Thanks so much! I was trying to explain that I was talking about only 1000mg, but she was very "no way!"... Sindeasindeahttp://sindea5.homestead.com/home.html Driving Washington nuts since 1991... I have a fairly conservative book written in 1987 called The Right Dose that says basically prolonged doses over 2000mg of calcium and/or susceptible people to kidney stones; people with cancer, Cushing's syndrome, Fanconi's syndrome, gout, heart disease, high blood calcium from any cause, hyperparathyroidism, hyperthyroidism, hypothyroidism, immobilization due to illness or injury, kidney conditions (incl. stones, failure, kidney transplant), metabolic acidosis, sarcoidosis, vitamin D overdose; or people on cortisone drugs regularly, digitalis, high dose vitamin D, or thiazide diuretics need to be under doctor's care when supplementing, or avoid altogether.Of magnesium, basically safe if kidneys are working properly, and no known toxicity in healthy individuals from supplements under 1,700mg.That's a quick scan, and not a 'release the hounds" type okay, but I would ask her to show you in writing what the harm would be!In Health,Steve-----------------------------OK, I just met with a doula client who is also a nurse. Although she is ver y pro-non-medicated birth, she appears to be leary of anything natural/alte rnative otherwise. She got quite upset when I suggested taking calcium/mag nesium combo to help slow/stop pre-term contrax... She said that it is ver y dangerous for the heart and you should only take calcium under the superv ision of a doc and that you should always know where your electrolytes are if you are considering taking calcium. Can anyone educate me here? I tookcal/mag with both pg's to stop my pre-term labor... And that was ok'd by a n OB and an ND with my first pg and ok'd by and MD and my m/w with the seco nd, without running any tests at all... I also was prescribed to take cal/ mag at bedtime to relax me, since I had such chaotic dreams... Sindeasindeahttp://sindea5.homestead.com/home.htmlDriving Washington nuts since 1991...***[This message has been truncated.]Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2001 Report Share Posted September 4, 2001 I would definitely ask for a more detailed explanation. Calcium has to be balanced with magnesium and vitamin D in order for the body to properly use it. It is needed for the muscles to relax and contract as they should. Yes I can see how it would effect the heart if you overdosed on it, but what kind of a dosage are you talking about? Surely not a high enough one to "relax the heart to death". Jennie sindea5 wrote: OK, I just met with a doula client who is also a nurse. Although she is very pro-non-medicated birth, she appears to be leary of anything natural/alternative otherwise. She got quite upset when I suggested taking calcium/magnesium combo to help slow/stop pre-term contrax... She said that it is very dangerous for the heart and you should only take calcium under the supervision of a doc and that you should always know where your electrolytes are if you are considering taking calcium. Can anyone educate me here? I took cal/mag with both pg's to stop my pre-term labor... And that was ok'd by an OB and an ND with my first pg and ok'd by and MD and my m/w with the second, without running any tests at all... I also was prescribed to take cal/mag at bedtime to relax me, since I had such chaotic dreams...Sindea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2001 Report Share Posted September 4, 2001 It would be interesting to find out where that nurse got the data. It doesn't make sense. Now that said, i have personally experienced severe cramping in the perinium when taking one calcium supplement several years ago (Neo-Life). But since then i have always taken calcium supplements as needed which are mixed with magnesium and several trace minerals. These have worked very well. What i have observed in many cases, is that each person's ideal mineral supplement will be slightly different. I'm trying to get a handle on this. Right now i simply suggest experimentation with various supplements, including whatever multilevel products one can find, since those tend to be better formulas. The ideal ratio that i have found most beneficial is one part magnesium to two parts calcium. This means, if you have 600 mg of calcium, there should be 200 mg magnesium. You can work it out there for any supplement. Often, i find incorrect ratios in products on the shelf. Many birthing books strongly suggest calcium supplementation. What i advocate is to make sure that calcium is in a usable form, AND combined with other minerals. At 05:04 PM 9/3/01 -0700, you wrote: >OK, I just met with a doula client who is also a nurse. Although she is very pro-non-medicated birth, she appears to be leary of anything natural/alternative otherwise. She got quite upset when I suggested taking calcium/magnesium combo to help slow/stop pre-term contrax... She said that it is very dangerous for the heart and you should only take calcium under the supervision of a doc and that you should always know where your electrolytes are if you are considering taking calcium. Can anyone educate me here? I took cal/mag with both pg's to stop my pre-term labor... And that was ok'd by an OB and an ND with my first pg and ok'd by and MD and my m/w with the second, without running any tests at all... I also was prescribed to take cal/mag at bedtime to relax me, since I had such chaotic dreams... >Sindea >sindea >http://sindea5.homestead.com/home.html > >Driving Washington nuts since 1991... -- Michael Riversong ** Professional Harpist, Educator, and Writer ** RivEdu ** Phone: (307)635-0900 FAX (413)691-0399 http://home.earthlink.net/~mriversong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2001 Report Share Posted September 5, 2001 In a message dated 9/3/2001 9:07:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bigbird3969 writes: .... She said that it is ver y dangerous for the heart and you should only take calcium under the superv ision of a doc and that you should always know where your electrolytes are if you are considering taking calcium. Regarding Steve's response: I would err always on the side of caution; how would you know whether the patient had any of the above underlying conditions? Latent parathyriod problems, undiagnosed cardiac dysfunction, etc? NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2001 Report Share Posted September 5, 2001 This is true, but we don't know that that is what the 'Doula-for-the-day " was even referring to, and like any diagnosis, or medical guidance, one should ask questions, not just " do as the master directs " without knowing or caring why. Also, besides me suggesting her to find what the nurse was basing this on before acting either way, she should know if she has any peculiar symptoms w/o tests run for any of those problems, as well as the Doula would know if she has any medical problems w/o medical tests run! In Health, Steve ----------------------------- In a message dated 9/3/2001 9:07:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bigbird3969 writes: > ... She said that it is ver y dangerous for the heart and you should only > take calcium under the superv ision of a doc and that you should always > know where your electrolytes are if you are considering taking calcium. Regarding Steve's response: I would err always on the side of caution; how would you know whether the patient had any of the above underlying conditions? Latent parathyriod problems, undiagnosed cardiac dysfunction, etc? NC *** [This message has been truncated.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2001 Report Share Posted December 8, 2001 Arent we supposed to take magnesium with the calcium and maybe boron? In a message dated 01/8/12 9:17:27 PM, wayne writes: << I don't take extra calcium...only that which is contained in my >multi-mineral supplement(very minimal)...there are sources that say >post-menopausal women who took extra calcium wound up in the ER with >heart attacks...(the >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 Evening Joann, I don't take extra calcium...only that which is contained in my >multi-mineral supplement(very minimal)...there are sources that say >post-menopausal women who took extra calcium wound up in the ER with >heart attacks...(the resulting blood clots containing calcium)... >Calcium being a blood vessel contrictor. After that I certainly >didn't want to take the chance of consuming very much. ;-) That sounds a bit confusing. Can you clarify it a little? Because the clots contained calcium, .... did the calcium cause it? Surely not? What is the source for that information? And.... how would one define " extra calcium " ? Do you think possibly a calcium metabolism problem existed? Gee, I have read that 4 or 5 times, and it sounds if someone wants to blame the calcium for the blood clots? For many years, I had the magic numbers of 750 and 1500 mg for mg and ca. Maybe these are out of date now. >I eat many green leafy vegetables high in calcium content, such as >kale, spinach, etc. There is three times as much calcium in one >serving of spinach as there is in one glass of milk! Do you eat the greens raw or cooked? Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 > For many years, I had the magic numbers of 750 and 1500 mg for mg and > ca. Maybe these are out of date now. The Eades recommend a 1:1 ratio (magnesium in the citrate form). (source: Protein Power LifePlan) Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 Sadly I have friends who think if you eat Tums you get enough calcium In a message dated 01/9/12 12:17:21 AM, joguest writes: << Greetings! I think you'll find that theres a ton of calcium in most women's supplements. Since calcium has been known to constrict muscles, including heart and artery muscles I for one am not taking any chances. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 Wayne, Perhaps this will answer some of your questions. < Magnesium--is absolutely essential for Life and is required for every biologicial process---...------ ---- --> Magnesium appears to regulate the " gate " through which calcium enters the cells to " switch on " vital functions such as the heartbeat. It is vitally important that magnesium and calcium be in balance for the heart to beat regularly. One of the causes of ischemic heart disease (heart attack) is that the coronary arteries fail to provide all the oxygen the heart demands. The result is a spasm in the smooth muscle of the artery wall. Inadequate magnesium has been related to greater susceptibility to muscle spasms. Calcium-Magnesium Imbalances Calcium is crucial for the heart muscle to work properly, but if too many calcium IONS enter the heart when magnesium is in short supply..then the effect CAN be disruptive, including TOXIC, killing forms of oxygen! Some researchers suggest that this may be the VERY ROOT of heart tissue DEATH,and thus of myocardial infarction (heart attack). In fact, on close examination of female patients,existing blood clots were found to consist of calcium deposits. Sheldon Hendler,Ph.D.believes that calcium/magnesium imbalance is the main obstacle to overcome. " Once calcium has the upper hand it is all the more difficult for magnesium to promote the nucleic acid and protein synthesis necessary for mending the damaged heart muscle. STRESS: has been implicated in depleted magnesium levels, and may also be responsible for the lowered magnesium levels in women with premenstrual tension. Magnesium helps prevent tooth decay by holding calcium in tooth enamel. Poor magnesium intake has also been implicated in Osteoporosis. < -- --------------> Magnesium aids in maintaining your health at a cellular level. Optimum Daily Intake-- ODI For optimum health, the basic optimum Daiy Intake for Magnesium is 500-750 mgs for Men and Women. Magnesium works together with other nutrients such as Calcium and Vitamin D.The consensus being that the Calcium to Magnesium Ratio should be 2 to 1. The potency of Magnesium supplements is determined by the amount of elemental Magnesium. I recommend taking Magnesium supplements as either Magnesium Carbonate or Magnesium Oxide (60%), as these forms have the greatest Potency! MAGNESIUM is widely distributed in foods. Those foods with the highest magnesium content include seafoods, nuts, blackstrap molasses, soybeans, seeds, and wheat germ. WHOLE GRAINS such as oatmeal and rice are also good sources. Bear in mind, however, that... THE MAGNESIUM CONTENT OF FOOD VARIES considerably with the magnesium content of the soil in which the food is grown! In additon, much of the magnesium in food is lost during processing. For example, MILLING removes 59 percent of the magesium from whole wheat. Preparing or boiling in water at high temperatures invariably will deplete multiple minerals in numerous ways. To preserve precious minerals, try steaming your vegetables or saute them in Olive Oil. It has been estimated that as much as 60 percent of the U.S. population is at risk for magnesium deficiency. For instance, people using a number of drugs, including antibiotics and diuretics may have depleted magnesium. Oral contraceptives have been found to lower blood magnesium. Since low magnesium levels result in blood clots, this may help explain why there is a higher incidence of thrombosis among women on the pill. Magesium may be too low in people with malasorption syndrome or gastrointesinal disorders such as Crohn's disease. Magnesium-- Stress has been implicated in depleted magnesium levels.,..which may account for the typical " Type A " personality's increased risk for cardiovascular disease!...----------- -> In answer to your question. I prefer my organic spinach raw. Actually I eat it any way I can get it! :-) Spinach, steamed with a little organic butter, sea salt and pepper! Yummy!! JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/FreeRadicals.html Wayne Fugitt <wayne@f...> wrote: > Evening Joann, > > I don't take extra calcium...only that which is contained in my > >multi-mineral supplement(very minimal)...there are sources that say > >post-menopausal women who took extra calcium wound up in the ER with > >heart attacks...(the resulting blood clots containing calcium)... > >Calcium being a blood vessel contrictor. After that I certainly > >didn't want to take the chance of consuming very much. ;-) > > That sounds a bit confusing. Can you clarify it a little? > > Because the clots contained calcium, .... did the calcium cause > it? Surely not? > > What is the source for that information? And.... how would one define > " extra calcium " ? > > Do you think possibly a calcium metabolism problem existed? > > Gee, I have read that 4 or 5 times, and it sounds if someone wants to > blame the calcium for the blood clots? > > For many years, I had the magic numbers of 750 and 1500 mg for mg and > ca. Maybe these are out of date now. > > > >I eat many green leafy vegetables high in calcium content, such as > >kale, spinach, etc. There is three times as much calcium in one > >serving of spinach as there is in one glass of milk! > Do you eat the greens raw or cooked? > > Wayne > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 Evening Joann, >> Perhaps this will answer some of your questions. Yes, I think it did. We have heard about this " balancing trick " all of our lives. Often it is not as clear as your post made it. The ratio of mg to ca was still the same as I have always thought. Yet, some are saying 1 to 1 is the ratio. Darn.... now you have me thinking I may not get enough mg. I will be trying hard to get the balance right. Thanks for the post. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 Greetings! I think you'll find that theres a ton of calcium in most women's supplements. Since calcium has been known to constrict muscles, including heart and artery muscles I for one am not taking any chances. This is a touchy subject, but I'm of the opinion that our bodies are in more dire need of potassium and magnesium more than the calcium. I've found it works wonderfully for me. Heart disease runs in my family, but I've been able to divert any problems so far, just taking these supplements and eliminating hydrogenated food products from my diet(I'm of the opinion that transfats are a major factor in heart disease). The news article stated that blood clots in men were unusually high in iron. Interestingly enough, it's the male population who go to excess on the meat & dairy, high in iron content. I tend to wonder if there's a connection. JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html dfnewman@a... wrote: > Arent we supposed to take magnesium with the calcium and maybe boron? > In a message dated 01/8/12 9:17:27 PM, wayne@f... writes: > > << > > I don't take extra calcium...only that which is contained in my > >multi-mineral supplement(very minimal)...there are sources that say > >post-menopausal women who took extra calcium wound up in the ER with > >heart attacks...(the >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 Wayne, I have found that a handful of almonds or cashews a day can help to make up for any imbalance. Similar nuts are high in mineral content, esp. magnesium. It's also a good way to get any trace minerals you might be lacking in. One alternative doctor I get on cable absolutely recommends almonds daily to eliminate/reverse any heart/cardiovascular problems! Regards, JoAnn P.S. You're welcome! JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/Fats.html Wayne Fugitt <wayne@f...> wrote: > Evening Joann, > > >> Perhaps this will answer some of your questions. > > Yes, I think it did. > > We have heard about this " balancing trick " all of our lives. Often > it is not > as clear as your post made it. > > The ratio of mg to ca was still the same as I have always thought. > Yet, some are saying 1 to 1 is the ratio. > > Darn.... now you have me thinking I may not get enough mg. I will > be trying hard to get the balance right. > > Thanks for the post. > > Wayne > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 In a message dated 9/12/01 04:23:27 GMT Standard Time, joguest writes: JoAnn - I think that in view of reading this post, I will have a handful of almonds or cashews in the morning and the magnesium caps in the evening - best of both worlds. Marianne > I have found that a handful of almonds or cashews a day can help to > make up for any imbalance. Similar nuts are high in mineral content, > esp. magnesium. It's also a good way to get any trace minerals you > might be lacking in. One alternative doctor I get on cable absolutely > recommends almonds daily to eliminate/reverse any > heart/cardiovascular problems! Regards, JoAnn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 <<...I'm of the opinion that transfats are a major factor in heart disease...>> Agreed. <<The news article stated that blood clots in men were unusually high in iron. Interestingly enough, it's the male population who go to excess on the meat & dairy, high in iron content. I tend to wonder if there's a connection.>> The main reason is that men don't menstruate. Levels increase with age. Men over 50 are most at risk of elevated iron stores (ferritin). High iron content in body stores, as confirmed by ferritin levels, is associated with insulin resistance syndrome (or syndrome X, if you like). A blood letting (via donations to the Red Cross...) is purported to relieve insulin resistance symptoms in many with both elevated ferritin and insulin resistance. <<It has been estimated that as much as 60 percent of the U.S. population is at risk for magnesium deficiency.>> The main reason is that the progression of insulin resistance steals magnesium from the body, leading to more insulin resistance, leading to less magnesium...so the downward cycle ends in cardiovascular disease, diabetes... Supplementing with magnesium is essential to help control insulin resistance (characterized by abdominal weight gain, blood sugar instability (or prediabetes), deteriorating blood lipid profile, elevated blood pressure...). Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 Does anyone know of good quality magnesium at a good price? - " Rob Bartlett " <rob.bartlett Saturday, December 08, 2001 8:43 PM Re: Re: Calcium Question > <<...I'm of the opinion that transfats are a major factor in heart > disease...>> > > Agreed. > > <<The news article stated that blood clots in men were unusually > high in iron. Interestingly enough, it's the male population who go > to excess on the meat & dairy, high in iron content. I tend to wonder > if there's a connection.>> > > The main reason is that men don't menstruate. Levels increase with age. > Men over 50 are most at risk of elevated iron stores (ferritin). > > High iron content in body stores, as confirmed by ferritin levels, is > associated with insulin resistance syndrome (or syndrome X, if you like). A > blood letting (via donations to the Red Cross...) is purported to relieve > insulin resistance symptoms in many with both elevated ferritin and insulin > resistance. > > <<It has been estimated that as much as 60 percent of the U.S. > population is at risk for magnesium deficiency.>> > > The main reason is that the progression of insulin resistance steals > magnesium from the body, leading to more insulin resistance, leading to less > magnesium...so the downward cycle ends in cardiovascular disease, > diabetes... > > Supplementing with magnesium is essential to help control insulin resistance > (characterized by abdominal weight gain, blood sugar instability (or > prediabetes), deteriorating blood lipid profile, elevated blood > pressure...). > > Rob > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > Subscription and list archives are at: > Gettingwell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 That has always been my opinion also. If you take calcium you must get magnesium. But you can take the mag. without a calcium supplement. Lets say you very carefully balance the two and then you eat a dairy product (cheese, yogurt,kefir,milk) or other high calcium food. What does that do to your computations? I've always believed in concentrating on the potassium & magnesium. Ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > mrsjoguest > 12/9/2001 4:16:36 AM > Gettingwell > Re: Calcium Question > > Greetings! > I think you'll find that theres a ton of calcium in most women's > supplements. Since calcium has been known to constrict muscles, > including heart and artery muscles I for one am not taking any > chances. This is a touchy subject, but I'm of the opinion that our > bodies are in more dire need of potassium and magnesium more than the > calcium. I've found it works wonderfully for me. Heart disease runs > in my family, but I've been able to divert any problems so far, just > taking these supplements and eliminating hydrogenated food products > from my diet(I'm of the opinion that transfats are a major factor in > heart disease). > The news article stated that blood clots in men were unusually > high in iron. Interestingly enough, it's the male population who go > to excess on the meat & dairy, high in iron content. I tend to wonder > if there's a connection. > > JoAnn Guest > joguest > Friendsforhealthnaturally > http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html > > > > dfnewman@a... wrote: > > Arent we supposed to take magnesium with the calcium and maybe > boron? > > In a message dated 01/8/12 9:17:27 PM, wayne@f... writes: > > > > << > > > > I don't take extra calcium...only that which is contained in my > > >multi-mineral supplement(very minimal)...there are sources that say > > >post-menopausal women who took extra calcium wound up in the ER > with > > >heart attacks...(the >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 I notice orange juice has calcium in it now and alot of my friends think this is all they need to avoid osteoporosis. I mentioned that I take my minerals in the evening because my female doctor had her caltrate on the table in her office- she was very skeptical. her husband , also an MD, age 43 just had quadruple by pass surgery. He is my moms doctor and told her not to worry about what she eats as long as she takes her diabetic meds and tests her sugar every morning, UGH!!!!!! In a message dated 01/9/12 8:47:47 PM, Rabbitbrain writes: << Most of the calcium they add in food products aren't the absorbable kind. Also there is different kinds of calcium and certain ones are most beneficial for your bones. You need a certain amount of magnesium to help calcium to function also. So when you see these food products stuffed with " calcium " , think, are you really benefiting? Wheres the magnesium? How about the boron to help it enter the bones. My opinion is that this is just a product " buy me " scam. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2001 Report Share Posted December 9, 2001 I think Tums also have aluminum in them In a message dated 01/9/12 7:56:26 PM, joguest writes: << Good luck with it all. The foods sources are best I've found and more readily absorbed also. Blessings, JoAnn >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2001 Report Share Posted December 10, 2001 dfnewman wrote: > Sadly I have friends who think if you eat Tums you get enough calcium Bleagh... Tell your friends they'll be messing with their tummy's acid if they take too many Tums! -- Mindy ----------------------- " ...that they may be one... " - Jesus, John 17:22 AIM: BirthJnky ICQ: 114149 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2001 Report Share Posted December 10, 2001 Hello, Tums for calcium? That a new one! LOL I have found that they work quite the opposite of magnesium. :-) Mom ate them constantly before she died with cardiovascular disease. Since then I haven't touched them. I would advise your friend that they are filled with harmful additives that tend to build up in the liver and never leave. They are highly constipating also. It's amazing the things one can find out when reading labels isn't it? Supplements sometimes duplicate mineral content so it is wise to check on each one separately ourselves I've found. Calcium cannot be absorbed without vitamin D present and I find that to be in short supply in most of them. Good luck with it all. The foods sources are best I've found and more readily absorbed also. Blessings, JoAnn JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html dfnewman@a... wrote: > Sadly I have friends who think if you eat Tums you get enough calcium > > > In a message dated 01/9/12 12:17:21 AM, joguest@m... writes: > > << Greetings! > I think you'll find that theres a ton of calcium in most women's > supplements. Since calcium has been known to constrict muscles, > including heart and artery muscles I for one am not taking any > chances. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2001 Report Share Posted December 10, 2001 Marianne, Hi! Is this question directed to me? If so I'll try to answer it. The thrombosis that these women experienced was due to a lack of magnesium in their system at the time. The article I sent previously explained it a bit more fully. The calcium ions when entering the heart w/o the magnesium present is highly dangerous as the following article states. Marianne, are you saying that you have gallstones? Magnesium appears to regulate the " gate " through which calcium enters the cells to " switch on " vital functions such as the heartbeat. It is vitally important that magnesium and calcium be in balance for the heart to beat regularly. One of the causes of ischemic heart disease (heart attack) is that the coronary arteries fail to provide all the oxygen the heart demands. The result is a spasm in the smooth muscle of the artery wall. Inadequate magnesium has been related to greater susceptibility to muscle spasms. Calcium-Magnesium Imbalances Calcium is crucial for the heart muscle to work properly, but if too many calcium IONS enter the heart when magnesium is in short supply..then the effect CAN be disruptive, including TOXIC, killing forms of oxygen! Some researchers suggest that this may be the VERY ROOT of heart tissue DEATH,and thus of myocardial infarction (heart attack). In fact, on close examination of female patients,existing blood clots were found to consist of calcium deposits. Sheldon Hendler,PH.D.believes that calcium/magnesium imbalance is the main obstacle to overcome. " Once calcium has the upper hand it is all the more difficult for magnesium to promote the nucleic acid and protein synthesis necessary for mending the damaged heart muscle. STRESS: has been implicated in depleted magnesium levels, and may also be responsible for the lowered magnesium levels in women with premenstrual tension. Magnesium works together with other nutrients such as Calcium and Vitamin D.The consensus being that the Calcium to Magnesium Ratio should be 2 to 1. The potency of Magnesium supplements is determined by the amount of elemental Magnesium. I recommend taking Magnesium supplements as either Magnesium Carbonate or Magnesium Oxide, as these forms have the greatest Potency! JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html marianne2406@a... wrote: > In a message dated 9/12/01 01:17:27 GMT Standard Time, wayne@f... > writes: > > I have gall stones and calcium as well as cholesterol can be responsible for > those, hence another reason that I will not take calcium supplements. > Marianne > > > I don't take extra calcium...only that which is contained in my > > >multi-mineral supplement(very minimal)...there are sources that say > > >post-menopausal women who took extra calcium wound up in the ER with > > >heart attacks...(the resulting blood clots containing calcium)... > > >Calcium being a blood vessel contrictor. After that I certainly > > >didn't want to take the chance of consuming very much. ;-) > > > > That sounds a bit confusing. Can you clarify it a little? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2001 Report Share Posted December 10, 2001 Marianne, Good call! I think you will find almonds very beneficial in regaining your health. Regards, JoAnn JoAnn Guest joguest marianne2406@a... wrote: > In a message dated 9/12/01 04:23:27 GMT Standard Time, joguest@m... > writes: > > JoAnn - I think that in view of reading this post, I will have a handful of > almonds or cashews in the morning and the magnesium caps in the evening - > best of both worlds. > Marianne > > > I have found that a handful of almonds or cashews a day can help to > > make up for any imbalance. Similar nuts are high in mineral content, > > esp. magnesium. It's also a good way to get any trace minerals you > > might be lacking in. One alternative doctor I get on cable absolutely > > recommends almonds daily to eliminate/reverse any > > heart/cardiovascular problems! Regards, JoAnn > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2001 Report Share Posted December 10, 2001 You are so right!! It's right up there along with deodorant, baking powder and canned pop. Bless God, thanks for the reminder! JoAnn dfnewman@a... wrote: > I think Tums also have aluminum in them > In a message dated 01/9/12 7:56:26 PM, joguest@m... writes: > > << > Good luck with it all. The foods sources are best I've found and > more readily absorbed also. Blessings, JoAnn > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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