Guest guest Posted December 4, 2001 Report Share Posted December 4, 2001 In a message dated 4/12/01 21:25:21 GMT Standard Time, rob.bartlett writes: I find this totally alarming - being very new to these groups. Due to ill health, medically undiagnosed thryroid 'problem, narrowed arteries, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, arthritis to name the main problems, I started to search for something more than I was getting from my gp. I was given some kefir grains and that set me off searching te internet and I came across Dom's kefir site which led to this site and Native Nutrition as well. Now I am being told that the drugs, that I am being told by my specialist are vital to keeping me alive, could in fact be killing me!!! It will take me a long time to adapt from the very bad eating habits that I presently have to the many different things that I am reading I should have. How can I believe anyone when there are so many contradictions out there? Help - I really do not know what to do and my gp is definitely not into 'alternative' in any way and we have to be very careful because they can strike us from their list and we have to search for another gp within the catchment area and that is very difficult. Unfortunately, UK doctors are not as 'open minded' as many other countries and we are the ones to suffer. Marianne > One class of cholesterol-lowering drugs inhibits the synthesis of coenzyme > Q10, a nutrient key to energy and heart health. Its not the cholesterol > that causes heart disease, its the cholesterol-lowing drugs. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2001 Report Share Posted December 4, 2001 http://www.watercure.com/Topics4.htm " Bad Cholesterol " : A Myth and A Fraud We in the medical profession, totally oblivious of the vital roles of cholesterol in the body, have been duped into thinking that it is this substance that causes arterial disease of the heart and the brain. The pharmaceutical industry has capitalized on the slogan of " bad cholesterol " and has produced toxic-to-the-body chemicals that minimally lower the level of cholesterol in the body and in the process cause liver damage to thousands of people, some who die as a result of using the medication. _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2001 Report Share Posted December 4, 2001 One class of cholesterol-lowering drugs inhibits the synthesis of coenzyme Q10, a nutrient key to energy and heart health. Its not the cholesterol that causes heart disease, its the cholesterol-lowing drugs. Rob --------------------- > " Bad Cholesterol " : A Myth and A Fraud > > We in the medical profession, totally oblivious of the vital roles of > cholesterol in the body, have been duped into thinking that it is this > substance that causes arterial disease of the heart and the brain. The > pharmaceutical industry has capitalized on the slogan of " bad > cholesterol " and has produced toxic-to-the-body chemicals that minimally > lower the level of cholesterol in the body and in the process cause > liver damage to thousands of people, some who die as a result of using > the medication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 In a message dated 5/12/01 21:28:56 GMT Standard Time, joguest writes: This is what I would like to aim for but it is not so easy in the UK - the organic foods are not good here - because they are so expensive, very few buy them and they sit on the shelves for a long time - not eating fresh foods is not worth all that extra money. I will try to change things and find a supplier who does give guarantees that they provide fresh produce. I would be interested to know what herbal supplements you took and what your 'heart problems' were. Marianne > The major thing is diet I've found. You have to eat. I stopped eating > all processed foods and started on an entire organic diet. The > results are amazing!! Regards, JoAnn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 In a message dated 5/12/01 21:29:06 GMT Standard Time, joguest writes: I will start of CQ10 tonight. > Hi!! > I totally agree with this thesis! The Statin drugs deplete CoQ- > 10 ...Baycol was taken off the market. Hmmm!muscle deterioration? > And how many deaths did it cause? One begins to wonder what the drug > companies are trying to perpetrate!! Jo > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 Hi!! I totally agree with this thesis! The Statin drugs deplete CoQ- 10 ...Baycol was taken off the market. Hmmm!muscle deterioration? And how many deaths did it cause? One begins to wonder what the drug companies are trying to perpetrate!! Jo JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/Botanicals.html > One class of cholesterol-lowering drugs inhibits the synthesis of coenzyme > Q10, a nutrient key to energy and heart health. Its not the cholesterol > that causes heart disease, its the cholesterol-lowing drugs. > > Rob > --------------------- > > " Bad Cholesterol " : A Myth and A Fraud > > > > We in the medical profession, totally oblivious of the vital roles of > > cholesterol in the body, have been duped into thinking that it is this > > substance that causes arterial disease of the heart and the brain. The > > pharmaceutical industry has capitalized on the slogan of " bad > > cholesterol " and has produced toxic-to-the-body chemicals that minimally > > lower the level of cholesterol in the body and in the process cause > > liver damage to thousands of people, some who die as a result of using > > the medication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 Hi there! Yes, isn't it though! I find it very alarming also...that's why I took complete charge of my health thru diet, supplementation and herbs. You can derive your own health plan apart from your health professional and at very little cost I might add. I have been healed from heart disease and many other illnesses from herbal therapy, supplementation with vitamins and organic foods. The major thing is diet I've found. You have to eat. I stopped eating all processed foods and started on an entire organic diet. The results are amazing!! Regards, JoAnn JoAnn Guest joguest http://canceranswer.homestead.com/Goodfoods.html marianne2406@a... wrote: > In a message dated 4/12/01 21:25:21 GMT Standard Time, > rob.bartlett@s... writes: > > I find this totally alarming - being very new to these groups. Due to ill > health, medically undiagnosed thryroid 'problem, narrowed arteries, high > cholesterol, high blood pressure, arthritis to name the main problems, I > started to search for something more than I was getting from my gp. I was > given some kefir grains and that set me off searching te internet and I came > across Dom's kefir site which led to this site and Native Nutrition as well. > Now I am being told that the drugs, that I am being told by my specialist are > vital to keeping me alive, could in fact be killing me!!! It will take me a > long time to adapt from the very bad eating habits that I presently have to > the many different things that I am reading I should have. How can I believe > anyone when there are so many contradictions out there? > > Help - I really do not know what to do and my gp is definitely not into > 'alternative' in any way and we have to be very careful because they can > strike us from their list and we have to search for another gp within the > catchment area and that is very difficult. Unfortunately, UK doctors are not > as 'open minded' as many other countries and we are the ones to suffer. > > Marianne > > > One class of cholesterol-lowering drugs inhibits the synthesis of coenzyme > > Q10, a nutrient key to energy and heart health. Its not the cholesterol > > that causes heart disease, its the cholesterol-lowing drugs. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2001 Report Share Posted December 6, 2001 In a message dated 6/12/01 03:24:32 GMT Standard Time, joguest writes: Wow - very comprehensive reply - thanks for the info, it is being digested and I will get some of the items you recommend today - unfortunately there are some that I will not be able to purchase in the UK. the Molasses I would think being one of them. Marianne > As far as organics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2001 Report Share Posted December 6, 2001 As far as organics...we have the same problem in some stores, however with the onslaught of GE foods, organic is becoming much more popular!!! I find things to be a bit fresher now. :-) There is a veggie wash you can use for the produce, a combination of sea salt and vinegar which works quite well to eliminate the pesticides, if you're certain that the product is not genetically engineered. Otherwise it cannot be removed by washing. The genes are spliced in as is the case with genetically engineering. Our tomatoes, potatoes corn, soy and squash and a few others are contaminated by Monsanto, so those have to be gotten Organic over here! Dairy and red meats are the main offender in regards to the Bovine growth hormones and antibiotics! These products must be organic in our country. not sure about your position on GE altered foods. They are the cause of much major illness, such as suppression of immune function, allergies, etc! I took quite a few supplements for my heart problems. The major ones being Hawthorn Berry- morning and night (strenthens the pumping action of the heart),Magnesium Oxide-400-800 mgs daily (provides much needed oxygen for the blood),Fish oils with Tocotrienols by AIM companies, CO-Q 10- the major concentration of which is in the heart muscle, all sorts of essential fatty acids (EFAs) Spectrum Flax liquid (the only pure flax available), EPO, B-vitamins by Country Life, AIM Barleygreen, Alvita Detox teas, Organic Blackstrap Molasses (a heart tonic), Dandelion, for ( high-lecithin content, higher than lecithin liquids... and iron-poor blood), Alfalfa,( an overall tonic and energy booster. Gosh, if I think of any others, I'll email you. That's really all that comes to mind at the moment. In addition I took a flora supplement for my digestion, ate lots of bananas for potassium and also ate plenty of Alaskan salmon! Never gave up eggs, egg yolks are high in lecithin for fluid arteries (new study by enzymatic therapy brings this out)!! Potassium is great for heart health! Calcium constricts your arteries; Magnesium is a muscle relaxer!! It has been found that numerous ER patients are deficient in Magnnesium. In the few cases when magnesium was administered to heart attack patients, they immediately came out of it! So what does that tell us! They know the answers...if only they would administer what works!!! Wishing you the best! Jo JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/Botanicals.html marianne2406@a... wrote: > In a message dated 5/12/01 21:28:56 GMT Standard Time, joguest@m... > writes: > > This is what I would like to aim for but it is not so easy in the UK - the > organic foods are not good here - because they are so expensive, very few buy > them and they sit on the shelves for a long time - not eating fresh foods is > not worth all that extra money. I will try to change things and find a > supplier who does give guarantees that they provide fresh produce. I would > be interested to know what herbal supplements you took and what your 'heart > problems' were. > > Marianne > > > The major thing is diet I've found. You have to eat. I stopped eating > > all processed foods and started on an entire organic diet. The > > results are amazing!! Regards, JoAnn > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2001 Report Share Posted December 6, 2001 In a message dated 6/12/01 16:06:58 GMT Standard Time, joguest writes: JoAnne - The CoQ10 that I have is 10mg and 1 a day - should I take more than the recommended dose of this or not? Marianne > Yes, Co-Q10 is the best allaround supplement for repairing heart > tissue! I took 150 mgs twice daily. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2001 Report Share Posted December 6, 2001 Marianne, Yes, Co-Q10 is the best allaround supplement for repairing heart tissue! I took 150 mgs twice daily. Makes you wonder doesn't it, when cholesterol drugs deplete CoQ10 stores and " cause " muscle deterioration as in the case of Bayer's Baycol...Hmmm...the drug companies are sending mixed messages here. An excellent reason to do your own research!! If unavailable in the UK, molasses (blackstrap) is available at various websites. Cheers, Jo JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://canceranswer.homestead.com/Melanoma.html http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/Botanicals.html marianne2406@a... wrote: > In a message dated 5/12/01 21:29:06 GMT Standard Time, joguest@m... > writes: > > I will start of CQ10 tonight. > > > Hi!! > > I totally agree with this thesis! The Statin drugs deplete CoQ- > > 10 ...Baycol was taken off the market. Hmmm!muscle deterioration? > > And how many deaths did it cause? One begins to wonder what the drug > > companies are trying to perpetrate!! Jo > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2001 Report Share Posted December 7, 2001 In a message dated 6/12/01 03:24:32 GMT Standard Time, joguest writes: Hi JoAnn You are going to be inpressed - I went out today and purchased approx 2 weeks worth of organic meat (90 mile round trip) and organic vegetables for a couple of days. I also purchased Blackstrap Molasses, Magnesium Oxide (500 mg per day?) and Hawthorne Berries. I was unable to get Spectrum Flax Liquid (can you let me know a bit more on this so that I can purchase the equivalent here please. I already have CQ10 and dandelion and will get Alfalfa at a later stage. Should I also get liqorice (recommended by Ron, which I have seen in tablet form). Sorry to be a pain but I would really like to try this regime and want to do it right. Marianne > As far as organics...we have the same problem in some stores, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2001 Report Share Posted December 7, 2001 In a message dated 7/12/01 02:49:40 GMT Standard Time, Rabbitbrain writes: I will have to search for a hight dosage brand then, otherwise it becomes very expensive - CoQ10 is one of the most expensive supplements that we can buy. Marianne > My husbands doctor recomended 60 mg. a day for his > heart supplement. Liz D > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2001 Report Share Posted December 7, 2001 My husbands doctor recomended 60 mg. a day for his heart supplement. Liz D > [Original Message] > <marianne2406 > > 12/6/01 10:08:05 AM > Re: Re: Cholesterol > > In a message dated 6/12/01 16:06:58 GMT Standard Time, joguest > writes: > > JoAnne - The CoQ10 that I have is 10mg and 1 a day - should I take more than > the recommended dose of this or not? > Marianne > > > Yes, Co-Q10 is the best allaround supplement for repairing heart > > tissue! I took 150 mgs twice daily. > > > > --- rabbitbrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2001 Report Share Posted December 7, 2001 In a message dated 7/12/01 17:46:13 GMT Standard Time, alobar writes: Unfortunately they will not ship to the UK - I have tried. Thanks Marianne > > > To join co-op, see here: http://www.generic-co-op.com/menu.htm > links to order page are on that page. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2001 Report Share Posted December 7, 2001 In a message dated 7/12/01 19:01:00 GMT Standard Time, cking001 writes: Thanks - I live in hope that they get this one going. Marianne > Stay hopeful! > From the co-ops latest newsletter: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2001 Report Share Posted December 7, 2001 I am not sure if giving a plug to a particular company is ok on this list. I buy from this company but do not make any money from it. Not a MLM scheme. If this post is not ok, I apologize for breach of etiquette. There is a company called the generic co-op which has a limited number of supplements at very very low process. The company is run by Dr.Jon, an eccentric millionaire, who just wants to break even. To join co-op, see here: http://www.generic-co-op.com/menu.htm links to order page are on that page. The price for CoEnzyme Q-10 is $14.68 for 60 caps of 60mg strength. (no that's not a misprint). The only catch is that one must to the co-op e-newsletter (free) which (as I said) is run by an eccentric. Off-beat ( & often useful) health ideas mixed in with schemes for building a ranch for kids, personal bits about Dr.Jon's family & friends., and his beloved cats (one of whom writes some issues of the newsletter -- I told you Dr.Jon was eccentric). The number of supplements is limited & some are out of stock at times, but the prices are well below anything I have seen elsewhere. Alobar - <marianne2406 Friday, December 07, 2001 2:01 AM Re: Re: Cholesterol > In a message dated 7/12/01 02:49:40 GMT Standard Time, > Rabbitbrain writes: > > I will have to search for a hight dosage brand then, otherwise it becomes > very expensive - CoQ10 is one of the most expensive supplements that we can > buy. > Marianne > > > My husbands doctor recomended 60 mg. a day for his > > heart supplement. Liz D > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2001 Report Share Posted December 7, 2001 I bought my last supply from Puritans Pride. They have various dosages, and their prices are good. www.puritanspride.com will give a lot of info. Chuck I just know I was meant to be born rich-- somebody up there must have fouled up the paperwork. On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 03:01:46 EST, marianne2406 wrote: >I will have to search for a hight dosage brand then, otherwise it becomes >very expensive - CoQ10 is one of the most expensive supplements that we can >buy. >Marianne > >> My husbands doctor recomended 60 mg. a day for his >> heart supplement. Liz D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2001 Report Share Posted December 7, 2001 Stay hopeful! From the co-ops latest newsletter: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ INTERNATIONAL ORDERS SOON It appears we will appoint an exclusive distributor in Toronto. He will take only Canadian and international orders. I think he will initially use PayPal for payments. Stay tuned. -- Chuck Once we've got the bugs ironed out, we'll be running on flat bugs ! On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:51:52 EST, marianne2406 wrote: >In a message dated 7/12/01 17:46:13 GMT Standard Time, alobar >writes: > >Unfortunately they will not ship to the UK - I have tried. > >Thanks >Marianne >> >> >> To join co-op, see here: http://www.generic-co-op.com/menu.htm >> links to order page are on that page. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2001 Report Share Posted December 8, 2001 Yes, the co-op price on Q10 is xlnt. But the big black box of nutritional supplements remains for us all: does the stuff work? What are you getting for your money? Does this company or that, sell a good product? As long as there is not ongoing, unbiased, well designed research on supplements, we're shooting in the dark. There is so much nonsense in both conventional and alternative medicine, that it's difficult to know what to do or believe. At the very least, most supplements, unlike so many pharmaceuticals, are harmless, whatever their effectiveness. But we should continue to demand " evidence " of product effectiveness from all these companies, and not just low prices. The mere fact that a supplements company can point to existing research showing that the use of a vitamin, mineral, etc., has been shown to be effective in treating or curing an ailment, doesn't mean, that the specific product they're selling to you, even contains any of that vitamin, let alone the correct form, adequate quantity, necessary co-factors, etc. - " Alobar " <alobar Friday, December 07, 2001 9:33 AM Re: Re: Cholesterol > I am not sure if giving a plug to a particular company is ok on this > list. I buy from this company but do not make any money from it. Not a MLM > scheme. If this post is not ok, I apologize for breach of etiquette. > > There is a company called the generic co-op which has a limited > number of supplements at very very low process. The company is run by > Dr.Jon, an eccentric millionaire, who just wants to break even. > > To join co-op, see here: http://www.generic-co-op.com/menu.htm > links to order page are on that page. > > The price for CoEnzyme Q-10 is $14.68 for 60 caps of 60mg strength. > (no that's not a misprint). The only catch is that one must to > the co-op e-newsletter (free) which (as I said) is run by an eccentric. > Off-beat ( & often useful) health ideas mixed in with schemes for building a > ranch for kids, personal bits about Dr.Jon's family & friends., and his > beloved cats (one of whom writes some issues of the newsletter -- I told you > Dr.Jon was eccentric). > > The number of supplements is limited & some are out of stock at > times, but the prices are well below anything I have seen elsewhere. > > Alobar > > > > - > <marianne2406 > > Friday, December 07, 2001 2:01 AM > Re: Re: Cholesterol > > > > In a message dated 7/12/01 02:49:40 GMT Standard Time, > > Rabbitbrain writes: > > > > I will have to search for a hight dosage brand then, otherwise it becomes > > very expensive - CoQ10 is one of the most expensive supplements that we > can > > buy. > > Marianne > > > > > My husbands doctor recomended 60 mg. a day for his > > > heart supplement. Liz D > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2001 Report Share Posted December 8, 2001 Evening John, >>As long as there is not ongoing, unbiased, well designed research on >supplements, we're shooting in the dark. I share your ideas and concerns. No doubt we have all been ripped off many times. Likely it still happens every day to most of us. >> But we should continue to demand " evidence " of product >effectiveness from all these companies, and not just low prices. True, and we should demand proof that we are getting what we are being sold. As I read your message, I though of one product I have been using for a number of years. The name of it is " Natures Plus " . I have been using their protein wafers for daily rations for a number of years. They come in cannisters of only 90 large wafers and cost from 16 to 21.00. The flavors are Chocolate, Strawberry, and Banana. I mention this product because inside each can is a printed leaflet from an independent testing LAB. This has impressed me as this practice is not common. I would be interested if anyone else uses this product and what they think of it. They also have some souped up powder products that I use daily. I make a protein drink with this product and add two tablespoons of whipping cream and two tablespoons of flax oil. I use 12 to 14 ounces of skimmed milk with the above and also add one tbs of green product and about 3/4 tbs of another fiber product that has 19 herbs in it. Gee........ This is a potent drink. It has 2000 mg of creatin. The green product is a probiotic and have 4 billion bacterial per gram. This is their Spiru-Tein Family of products from http://www.naturesplus.com/ Heaven only knows what this is doing to me. One day soon, I hope to total all these nutrients and add the complete analysis to my web page. The strange thing is....... I don't really know what I hope to accomplish with this witches brew. Only time will tell. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2001 Report Share Posted December 8, 2001 http://www.generic-co-op.com/menu.htm Use the above link and sign up for the newsletter. You then can buy from them. Their products are top quality and tested. Once you can get into the web site then you can read what this project is all about. That is, making needed supplements affordable. It doesn't have a ton of products right now because they are rather new. Liz D > [Original Message] > <marianne2406 > > 12/7/01 12:01:52 AM > Re: Re: Cholesterol > > In a message dated 7/12/01 02:49:40 GMT Standard Time, > Rabbitbrain writes: > > I will have to search for a hight dosage brand then, otherwise it becomes > very expensive - CoQ10 is one of the most expensive supplements that we can > buy. > Marianne > > > My husbands doctor recomended 60 mg. a day for his > > heart supplement. Liz D > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2001 Report Share Posted December 8, 2001 <snip from Generic Co op newsletter> INTERNATIONAL ORDERS SOON It appears we will appoint an exclusive distributor in Toronto. He will take only Canadian and international orders. I think he will initially use PayPal for payments. Stay tuned. > [Original Message] > <marianne2406 > > 12/7/01 9:52:03 AM > Re: Re: Cholesterol > > In a message dated 7/12/01 17:46:13 GMT Standard Time, alobar > writes: > > Unfortunately they will not ship to the UK - I have tried. > > Thanks > Marianne > > > > > > To join co-op, see here: http://www.generic-co-op.com/menu.htm > > links to order page are on that page. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2001 Report Share Posted December 8, 2001 The co-op is set up to consider all these things that you have mentioned. Different labs are tested as well as the products. Also when his newsletter features a product that may be introduced much of the information is written up on. Also if you read the few co-q10 newsletter, Dr Jon bring to our attention on the qualities of c0-q10. He gets his from Japan that has the true ingredients. Most of the co-q10 out there is diluted or rancid and of no value. And much of the supplements you can afford to buy comes in only 10 mg which isn't very much. But studies have been done to show that this product if very use full in strengthening the cells to the heart as well as other areas of the body. It is very much needed. Take a sneak peek at this news letter, you won't be disappointed, he is right down your alley of concern. Liz D > [Original Message] > John Polifronio <counterpnt > > 12/7/01 5:57:13 PM > Re: Re: Cholesterol > > Yes, the co-op price on Q10 is xlnt. But the big black box of nutritional > supplements remains for us all: does the stuff work? What are you getting > for your money? Does this company or that, sell a good product? > As long as there is not ongoing, unbiased, well designed research on > supplements, we're shooting in the dark. > There is so much nonsense in both conventional and alternative medicine, > that it's difficult to know what to do or believe. At the very least, most > supplements, unlike so many pharmaceuticals, are harmless, whatever their > effectiveness. But we should continue to demand " evidence " of product > effectiveness from all these companies, and not just low prices. The mere > fact that a supplements company can point to existing research showing that > the use of a vitamin, mineral, etc., has been shown to be effective in > treating or curing an ailment, doesn't mean, that the specific product > they're selling to you, even contains any of that vitamin, let alone the > correct form, adequate quantity, necessary co-factors, etc. > - > " Alobar " <alobar > > Friday, December 07, 2001 9:33 AM > Re: Re: Cholesterol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2001 Report Share Posted December 8, 2001 isnt it best to take mag/calcium at night? In a message dated 01/8/12 5:18:43 PM, joguest writes: << Yay Marianne!!! I'm so happy that you found an organic market! Well I took 800 mgs magnesium daily, in 400 mg increments. 500 should be very benficial, though. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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