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In a message dated 29/11/01 05:16:40 GMT Standard Time, deb

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can someone please tell me Lee's email address so that I do not open the

email - this is one of those times where it is most important to add the top

line (as above) or part of the email or even the subject line so that others

can delete the email. Please advise a.s.a.p. so that I can open my emails

without worry.

 

Thanks

Marianne

 

> I got Lee's virus as well, thank goodness for NAV. Update your virus

> protection Lee.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Dorothy,

It is not his email address that I need but the email that the virus came in

on - however, reading a couple more emails today about the virus, it seems

that it was from a 'private' email and not a group one - I have now cleared

all emails and luckily do not have a virus problem. Thanks for responding.

Marianne

 

 

 

> Hi Marianne,

> you will have to ask Frank how to get to the *members* file as i see it is

> not listed there any more.

> I hope he can help as i also need someones private email.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Frank - thank you for your message - I am not trying to sell anything, I am

not even trying to get Lee's 'private' email - I was trying to find out

exactly which email it was that contained the virus - as the warning to Lee

was sent to the group, I assumed it was an email that Lee had sent to the

group that had caused the problem. As I have said, I have cleared all my

emails and no virus detected so no problem. Please do keep the group free

from SPAM and MLM, I cannot agree more.

 

Thanks

Marianne

 

 

> Dear Dorothy, Marianne and group,

>

> As to the members database for email addresses, I will try and

> explain.

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Marianne,

you will have to ask Frank how to get to the *members* file as i see it is

not listed there any more.

I hope he can help as i also need someones private email.

 

Regards, Dorothy.

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Dear Dorothy, Marianne and group,

 

As to the members database for email addresses, I will try and

explain.

 

This group was started so that there would be a place on the internet

that was not backed by someone selling a product, book or whatever.

 

A good percentage of the larger groups are themed around one product

or book and tied into a money making scheme of some type even though

it may be a very subtle effort.

 

This is not evident at first glance as they appear to be just about

based on exchanging information. But all to often what happens is one

side is pushing from a sales point of view (very subltely) and the

other is trying to find a best choice from a health point of view.

This is exctly what happens in the pharmacuetical industry in their

choice of promoting their drugs. (theirs may not be the best choice

for the consumer but it is the best choice from their business

viewpoint.

 

When that occurs you get biased information to push one point of view,

not because it is the most correct but to promote and sell whatever it

is the person or group will benefit monetarily from.

 

One MLM person who tried to spam this group with their products

couldn't understand the " real " reason about the purpose of the group.

She said that there had to be an ulterior motive for the group. In her

opinion, no one would have a real reason to put in the effort to start

and run the group if they didnt get some money compensation in the

bargain somewhere. This person promoted herself as a nutritional

counselor of 20 years " helping " people and having a web site with a

number of " counselors " that gave " free " personal health information to

individuals. From what I could see the info usually eventually got

down to the specific products that that they were pushing.

 

On the other hand most members join because of a desire to benefit

their health or specific condition and they honestly try and help one

another out. Unfortunately what happens in some cases is that the one

poses as the other. Thus the few wolves don sheeps clothing to

infiltrate the flock.

 

I firmly believe in free speach and openness. But I don't believe in

subterfuge and taking advantage of people in a desperate situation

about their health. These people don't come here and say " I'm here to

sell you a product " . They say (implied usually) " i'm here to help you,

here is my solution for you " (to buy my product, just not quite that

openly).

 

One such individual admitted that he belonged to over 150 groups, yet

he knew very little about nutrition and health except for the " sales "

spiel he had down about his own product. I am not anti- business. Just

be honest about, when it is business. The tip off is usually I'm here

to help you send me your money (although much more subtlely).

 

 

I had to restrict the members list from the open group after a few

people complained to me about receiving spam about some MLM products

from other members. I hope someday this will no longer be necessary.

 

This list is for the members, NOT a personal hunting preserve for the

unscrupulous spammer

 

We may wind up with a smaller group, but I don't think we will have

much of a loss in my book.

 

Another reason for the group is cross polinating of information.

There are some very good groups out there that are usually started and

ran by people who have a personal vs. business interest, (though not

always) but they are usually for a specific illness or condition such

as fibromyalgia, CFS, IBS, Chron's, colitus, candida.

 

I believe all or most of these diseases are caused by similiar

circumstances ( although it may be hard to discern at first) and are

cured by the same thing. Thsi is believed to be true of many many

diseases.

 

In those individual groups the members are so closely focused on their

little part of the problem with their medically given label that they

are severly restricted in the information that they get in a more

broader range that could be applicable to them. (it's not for me, I

don't have Chron " s, I have IBS, see.... different label)

 

This group is so there will be cross pollination of information and

sharing of remedies while at the same time trying to minimize the

potential misinformation efforts of the special interest business

point of view.

 

I wish we lived in a much more caring altruistic world, but this is

what we have to work with.

 

If anyone needs any information for a legitamate purpose, I will try

to assist and be helpfull as much as I can.

 

with the utmost respect for the members,

 

Frank

 

 

 

 

Gettingwell, marianne2406@a... wrote:

> Hi Dorothy,

> It is not his email address that I need but the email that the virus

came in

> on - however, reading a couple more emails today about the virus, it

seems

> that it was from a 'private' email and not a group one - I have now

cleared

> all emails and luckily do not have a virus problem. Thanks for

responding.

> Marianne

>

>

>

> > Hi Marianne,

> > you will have to ask Frank how to get to the *members* file as i

see it is

> > not listed there any more.

> > I hope he can help as i also need someones private email.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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I have Nortons going all the time and it didn't catch the Badtrans virus.

Which is strange because I didn't receive an attachment and I dont have

Outlook.

 

So, now I'm using my servers virus scan before it gets to my email program

and Im also using nortons as a backup.

 

Kate

 

At 15:46 29/11/2001 -0800, you wrote:

>I use Norton 2001 antivirus program. It scans email and attachments as

>they are

>being downloaded into my computer. Twice, before I opened email, a message

>popped up and informed me that a virus had been found. There is the option of

>what to do with it, but I deleted them and went on as if nothing had happened.

>Morton

 

 

 

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Dear Marianne,

Thank you for your support and I never meant you personally were

trying to sell something. I'm sorry if you got that impression.

 

I'm not personally against selling something. I guess It's a lot in

the way that they do it sometimes. I believe it has to be balanced

by our social responsibility to our fellow man/woman also. Some just

allow their personal greed to overshadow thier thinking in this area.

 

I was in business for many years and I understand the desire to make

money. I don't approve of the misrepresentation that goes on in a lot

of instances though.

 

I reread what I wrote and would also like to say that it was not a

blanket condemnation of all books or authors either. I read wonderfull

books that are authored by very, very well meaning people who I am

very gratefull that they shared the information with me and the

public.

 

I wouldn't have a clue about most things if I hadn't bought some book

on the subject. I also didn't want to give the wrong impression in

that area either.

 

warm regards,

Frank

 

P.S. JUst an aside for people residing in the US. but you can get a

wealth of information cheaply at www.half.com . But they only have it

configured to operate in the USA at this point.

 

It is a book exchange/marketplace ran by ebay. The sellers are from

all over the USA and they sell used books for very low prices

sometimes. You will usually get a much more thourough coverage in a

book on the subject than can be found on the web's much shorter

information mode. (although I consider the internet " THE " superlative

mode for information sharing and communication)

 

Just last week I bought 2 books by world class scientists in paperback

, that amounted to a few dollars each and the books we're in almost

perfect condition.

 

 

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Gettingwell, marianne2406@a... wrote:

> Frank - thank you for your message - I am not trying to sell

anything, I am

> not even trying to get Lee's 'private' email - I was trying to find

out

> exactly which email it was that contained the virus - as the warning

to Lee

> was sent to the group, I assumed it was an email that Lee had sent

to the

> group that had caused the problem. As I have said, I have cleared

all my

> emails and no virus detected so no problem. Please do keep the

group free

> from SPAM and MLM, I cannot agree more.

>

> Thanks

> Marianne

>

>

> > Dear Dorothy, Marianne and group,

> >

> > As to the members database for email addresses, I will try and

> > explain.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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I use Norton 2001 antivirus program. It scans email and attachments as they are

being downloaded into my computer. Twice, before I opened email, a message

popped up and informed me that a virus had been found. There is the option of

what to do with it, but I deleted them and went on as if nothing had happened.

Morton

 

marianne2406 wrote:

 

> In a message dated 29/11/01 05:16:40 GMT Standard Time, deb

> writes:

>

> can someone please tell me Lee's email address so that I do not open the

> email - this is one of those times where it is most important to add the top

> line (as above) or part of the email or even the subject line so that others

> can delete the email. Please advise a.s.a.p. so that I can open my emails

> without worry.

>

> Thanks

> Marianne

>

> > I got Lee's virus as well, thank goodness for NAV. Update your virus

> > protection Lee.

> >

> >

>

>

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In a message dated 29/11/01 23:17:02 GMT Standard Time,

califpacific writes:

 

Frank, I did not get the impression that you thought I was trying to sell

something but, as you actually put my name, that I was trying to get

information to which I was not entitled. For me to sell anything would be

rather difficult anyway as most of the group reside in the USA and I reside

in the UK. As stated, the only information I was after was about an email

that I thought had gone out to the group.

 

Your explanation was appreciated.

Marianne

 

> Dear Marianne,

> Thank you for your support and I never meant you personally were

> trying to sell something. I'm sorry if you got that impression.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Kate,

 

I have been using NAV for a very long time and it has caught every virus

that tries to enter my system, make sure you have it installed properly. It

has not failed me yet.

 

Good luck,

Deborah

The NL

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So does mine. I have it on all the time.But it got through for some reason.

 

Kate

 

At 16:00 30/11/2001 -0800, you wrote:

>I do not represent any anti-virus software manufacturer. If it is made

>properly,

>there should be no problem to installing it properly - with Norton, just

>follow

>the instructions on the screen. I am living virus-free. Norton stopped two

>viruses dead in their tracks. It even scans attachments coming in with emails.

>Morton

 

 

 

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I do not represent any anti-virus software manufacturer. If it is made properly,

there should be no problem to installing it properly - with Norton, just follow

the instructions on the screen. I am living virus-free. Norton stopped two

viruses dead in their tracks. It even scans attachments coming in with emails.

Morton

 

Deb wrote:

 

> Hi Kate,

>

> I have been using NAV for a very long time and it has caught every virus

> that tries to enter my system, make sure you have it installed properly. It

> has not failed me yet.

>

> Good luck,

> Deborah

> The NL

>

>

> Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health

> and well being.

>

> To learn more about the Gettingwell group,

> Subscription and list archives are at:

> Gettingwell

>

>

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Norton is supposed to be looking for updates continually, but I still update as

soon as I access the net and before I load my browser. If you do not update

frequently, a virus may get through because you have not yet downloaded it's

definition.

 

Morton

 

Kate Strong wrote:

 

> So does mine. I have it on all the time.But it got through for some reason.

>

> Kate

>

> At 16:00 30/11/2001 -0800, you wrote:

> >I do not represent any anti-virus software manufacturer. If it is made

> >properly,

> >there should be no problem to installing it properly - with Norton, just

> >follow

> >the instructions on the screen. I am living virus-free. Norton stopped two

> >viruses dead in their tracks. It even scans attachments coming in with

emails.

> >Morton

>

>

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