Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 In a message dated 11/27/01 10:20:38 PM, gowatson writes: << The idea is to avoid fatty acid conversion by supplying directly in the diet the exact amount of the active Omega 3 & 6 faty acids needed to adjust the results seen from a red blood cell membrane fatty acid analysis. >> That's why taking in the long form fatty acids directly as our cave man ancestors did is so important -- DHA, EPA, GLA. Many of us have insufficient enzymes to elongate the c-16 omega 3 fatty acids in the quanities that are needed by the body -particularly the central nervous system, Namaste, Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 Hi Tracy I just thought it was important for the group to know that EFA supplementation may not work without certain enzymes. If enzymes are required for conversions of EFAs and FAs - we all should know which ones to also supplement with. Otherwise we might be wasting time and money trying to supplement with EFAs. Good reading for all: http://www.asthmaworld.org/Essential_Fatty_acid.htm http://www.asthmaworld.org/OMEGA3.htm Rick Nick Grant wrote: > Richard > > We are probably going to take this off list, as it might be boring everyone > by now - and over most peoples heads - incl. mine at times. > > Did you want to be kept updated on the conversations? > > Tracy > - > " Richard Muenzer " <r.muenzer > > Wednesday, 28 November 2001 16:15 > Re: wow! > > > Hi Greg & Tracy > > > > You mentioned delta-4-desaturase being to low to convert 24:6w3 to > > 22:6w3. I thought this might be of interest about D5d and D6d. > > It apparently requires the pre enzymes vitamin C, niacin and zinc > > for D5d to convert the FAs. And B6, magnesium and zinc for D6d to work. > > I have not found what pre enzymes are required for D4d. > > References: > > http://www.asthmaworld.org/OMEGA3.htm > > > > Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 - " Rick Muenzer " <r.muenzer Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:40 PM wow! Add enzymes > Hi Tracy > > I just thought it was important for the group to know that EFA > supplementation may not work without certain enzymes. If enzymes > are required for conversions of EFAs and FAs - we all should know > which ones to also supplement with. Otherwise we might be wasting > time and money trying to supplement with EFAs. Hi Rick, The idea is to avoid fatty acid conversion by supplying directly in the diet the exact amount of the active Omega 3 & 6 faty acids needed to adjust the results seen from a red blood cell membrane fatty acid analysis. With respect, vits and minerals are co factors and are not enzymes which are structures of amino acids. ======================== Good Health & Long Life, Greg Watson, gowatson USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/ PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe KIM (omega analysis) http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 - <Ecmillerreid Wednesday, November 28, 2001 6:43 PM Re: wow! Add enzymes > << The idea is to avoid fatty acid conversion by supplying directly in the > diet the exact amount of the active Omega 3 & 6 > faty acids needed to adjust the results seen from a red blood cell membrane > fatty acid analysis. >> > > That's why taking in the long form fatty acids directly as our cave man > ancestors did is so important -- DHA, EPA, GLA. Many of us have insufficient > enzymes to elongate the c-16 omega 3 fatty acids in the quanities that are > needed by the body -particularly the central nervous system, > Hi Namaste, Liz, Correct. Humans convert only about 2 - 5 % Omega 3 LNA (flax, etc) into the active forms of EPA and DHA. That is why direct dietary EPA & DHA is so important. Normal daily needs are about 600 mg combined which is covered in one serve of fatty fish or 2 standard fish oil capsules. ======================== Good Health & Long Life, Greg Watson, gowatson USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/ PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe KIM (omega analysis) http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2001 Report Share Posted November 29, 2001 Joan Glad you liked it. When the total picture of EFAs is understood it seems like they control everything. I know that EFAs alone wont work without enzymes - but the same is true that enzymes alone wont work without balanced EFAs. A vitamin can be considered a pre enzyme even if it eventually produces 100s of different enzymes. Another neat site showing EFA controls:: http://www.price-pottenger.org/Articles/Prostaglandin.html Notice more enzymatic reactions on EFAs Rick Joan McPhee wrote: > Rick, I really enjoyed your posted resource: > http://www.asthmaworld.org/Essential_Fatty_acid.htm > > One comment I have is that D5d and D6d *are* enzymes that happen to need the > nutrients you mentioned to work (but maybe that's what you meant): > > D5d - requires vitamin C, niacin and zinc > D6d - requires B6, magnesium and zinc > > Anyway, awesome resource. > > Joan McPhee, not an M.D. > mcpheej > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > Rick wrote: > > I just thought it was important for the group to know that EFA > > supplementation may not work without certain enzymes. If enzymes > > are required for conversions of EFAs and FAs - we all should know > > which ones to also supplement with. Otherwise we might be wasting > > time and money trying to supplement with EFAs. > > > > Good reading for all: > > http://www.asthmaworld.org/Essential_Fatty_acid.htm > > http://www.asthmaworld.org/OMEGA3.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2001 Report Share Posted November 29, 2001 - " Rick Muenzer " <r.muenzer Thursday, November 29, 2001 5:28 PM Re: Re: wow! Add enzymes > A vitamin can be considered a pre enzyme > even if it eventually produces 100s of different enzymes. Hi Rick, Enzymes are protein links of amino acids. Sure vits and minerals are needed to make them and are needed for the enzyme to carry out it's function. Enzymes are enzymes. Vits are vits. Minerals are minerals. All work together but at the same time very much different. ======================== Good Health & Long Life, Greg Watson, gowatson USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/ PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe KIM (omega analysis) http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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