Guest guest Posted November 14, 2001 Report Share Posted November 14, 2001 In a message dated 11/14/01 6:25:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, deb writes: > I have read a study a while back, wish I could find it! That states that > soy in its fermented form is ok, That's on www.westonaprice.org Starris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 I have read a study a while back, wish I could find it! That states that soy in its fermented form is ok, but it is when it is eaten in natural form that it could be aproblem. Anyone know more about this? Debbie deb http://www.bodyhealthcenter.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 Hi All Here is a recent link about soy from an impartial source: http://web.aces.uiuc.edu/faq/faq.pdl?project_id=5 & faq_id=902 So you need to have iodine to protect the thyroid. Americans don't get enough salt with iodine because they have been brainwashed onto believing salt is " bad " and don't eat enough sea products with iodine. So soy will cause problems in the long run. Also Monsanto brags that 66% of the soy produced in the USA is their GM soy. So you foreigners may want to avoid american produced soy. You all do know that " mad cow " disease has been traced to pryons (alien protein particles). Now how many Pryons will Monsanto unleash on the world? Rick Starrisg wrote: > In a message dated 11/14/01 6:25:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, > deb writes: > > > I have read a study a while back, wish I could find it! That states that > > soy in its fermented form is ok, > > That's on www.westonaprice.org > > Starris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 - " Richard Muenzer " <r.muenzer Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:47 PM Re: soy > Hi All > > Here is a recent link about soy from an impartial source: > http://web.aces.uiuc.edu/faq/faq.pdl?project_id=5 & faq_id=902 > So you need to have iodine to protect the thyroid. > Americans don't get enough salt with iodine because they have > been brainwashed onto believing salt is " bad " and don't eat > enough sea products with iodine. So soy will cause problems > in the long run. Hi Rick, Most sea fish & seaweed is iodine rich, so mixing fish & soy (as the long lived Okinawans) is probably the right path. That way you get the good isoflavones, good EPA + DHA and enough iodine to keep the thyroid working well. Taking one food from another culture, without taking all the others can be a bad move. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 Rick wrote: So you foreigners may want to avoid american > produced soy. You all do know that " mad cow " disease has > been traced to pryons (alien protein particles). Now how many > Pryons will Monsanto unleash on the world? > > Rick > Thank goodness that in New Zealand we can get Organic Soy. Strangely enough, we don't get many American food products on our shelves (can't think of any at all) - it's mostly New Zealand and Australian made.... unless you want to count all the KFC, Burger King and McDonald chain stores......... Rebecca. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 About every 6 months or so, we have an iodine party. I paint my kids tummies each night with a moon, or a fish etc. If the iodine stays on longer than 12 hours, you probably have enough. Some studies say 24 hours. The first time I did it, the iodine was absorbed after 2 hours. Apparently its a good way of getting iodine. Beware though, some people are allergic to iodine. Tracy - " Greg Watson " <gowatson Thursday, 15 November 2001 17:58 Re: soy > - > " Richard Muenzer " <r.muenzer > > Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:47 PM > Re: soy > > > > Hi All > > > > Here is a recent link about soy from an impartial source: > > http://web.aces.uiuc.edu/faq/faq.pdl?project_id=5 & faq_id=902 > > So you need to have iodine to protect the thyroid. > > Americans don't get enough salt with iodine because they have > > been brainwashed onto believing salt is " bad " and don't eat > > enough sea products with iodine. So soy will cause problems > > in the long run. > > Hi Rick, > > Most sea fish & seaweed is iodine rich, so mixing fish & soy (as the long lived Okinawans) is probably the right path. > > That way you get the good isoflavones, good EPA + DHA and enough iodine to keep the thyroid working well. > > Taking one food from another culture, without taking all the others can be a bad move. > > Greg > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > Subscription and list archives are at: > Gettingwell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 You may call me a nit picker but the iodine only prevents goiter. And this part seems significant to me: " Researchers at the Division of Biochemical Toxicology, National Center for Toxicological Research in Jefferson, Arkansas recently studied dietary genistein and rat thyroid peroxidase in vivo. They found that, even though substantial amounts of thyroid peroxidase activity are lost when soy isoflavones are consumed by normal rats, the remaining enzymatic activity is sufficient to maintain thryoid homeostasis in the absence of additional perturbations " Further the " impartial source " is the reporter. I'm not sure where all the studies were done or who funded them. Gosh! Think how long the Okinawans might live if they did not eat soy. ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > Richard Muenzer > 11/14/2001 8:17:39 PM > Gettingwell > Re: soy > > Hi All > > Here is a recent link about soy from an impartial source: > http://web.aces.uiuc.edu/faq/faq.pdl?project_id=5 & faq_id=902 > So you need to have iodine to protect the thyroid. > Americans don't get enough salt with iodine because they have > been brainwashed onto believing salt is " bad " and don't eat > enough sea products with iodine. So soy will cause problems > in the long run. > Also Monsanto brags that 66% of the soy produced in the USA > is their GM soy. So you foreigners may want to avoid american > produced soy. You all do know that " mad cow " disease has > been traced to pryons (alien protein particles). Now how many > Pryons will Monsanto unleash on the world? > > Rick > > Starrisg wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/14/01 6:25:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > deb writes: > > > > > I have read a study a while back, wish I could find it! That states that > > > soy in its fermented form is ok, > > > > That's on www.westonaprice.org > > > > Starris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 - " Nick Grant " <nwgrant Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:12 PM Re: soy > About every 6 months or so, we have an iodine party. I paint my kids > tummies each night with a moon, or a fish etc. If the iodine stays on > longer than 12 hours, you probably have enough. Some studies say 24 hours. > The first time I did it, the iodine was absorbed after 2 hours. Apparently > its a good way of getting iodine. Beware though, some people are allergic > to iodine. > Hi Tracy, Sounds interesting. Sea fish is also a good way to get iodine AND you get the good fats! Salmon, mackerel, tuna, herring are good. Skip low fat tuna. I sure this is some marketing guys idea but it is not a good one as you want the fat tuna has! Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 - " the desert_rat " <ron Friday, November 16, 2001 12:44 AM Re: soy > Gosh! Think how long the Okinawans might live if they did not eat soy. Hi Ron, Actually the 25 year long research project found the isoflavones from soy to be one of the main causative agents in their long and disease free life. Eating sea fish, which is iodine rich, with the soy is the secret. Then add in the rich dose of Omega 3 EPA & DHA from the fish. A powerful combination!! Just taking one element (such as soy) out of the diet of another culture can be dangerous as like the fish and soy, some foods are additive and work better together than in isolation. Suggest you get a copy of " The Okinawan Program " . It is a really good read............. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2001 Report Share Posted November 16, 2001 well - my kids don't eat most fish, so this way is easier. Thanks anyways Tracy - " Greg Watson " <gowatson Friday, 16 November 2001 10:11 Re: soy > - > " Nick Grant " <nwgrant > > Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:12 PM > Re: soy > > > > About every 6 months or so, we have an iodine party. I paint my kids > > tummies each night with a moon, or a fish etc. If the iodine stays on > > longer than 12 hours, you probably have enough. Some studies say 24 hours. > > The first time I did it, the iodine was absorbed after 2 hours. Apparently > > its a good way of getting iodine. Beware though, some people are allergic > > to iodine. > > > Hi Tracy, > > Sounds interesting. Sea fish is also a good way to get iodine AND you get the good fats! Salmon, mackerel, tuna, > herring are good. Skip low fat tuna. I sure this is some marketing guys idea but it is not a good one as you want the > fat tuna has! > > Greg > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > Subscription and list archives are at: > Gettingwell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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