Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 --- Greg Watson <gowatson wrote: > > Once Omega 6 LA is controlled you can focus on > getting more EPA & DHA from either fish or fish oil > capsules. We eat > about 3 serves of fish a week, one of chicken, two > days meat free & I fast on most Mondays. Cod liver oil is LOADED wth EPA & DHA. It tastes awful but it's worth it (it MUCH more economical than the fish oil caps). Pam Find the one for you at Personals http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 Try Carlson's Cod Liver Oil. It is made with Lemon and tastes good, at least to me it does : ) Ken Cod liver oil is LOADED wth EPA & DHA. It tastes awful but it's worth it (it MUCH more economical than the fish oil caps). Pam Find the one for you at Personals http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 - " Pamela Southall " <southallp Thursday, November 15, 2001 12:50 PM Re: Re: Omega-3s > > --- Greg Watson <gowatson wrote: > > > > Once Omega 6 LA is controlled you can focus on > > getting more EPA & DHA from either fish or fish oil > > capsules. We eat > > about 3 serves of fish a week, one of chicken, two > > days meat free & I fast on most Mondays. > > Cod liver oil is LOADED wth EPA & DHA. It tastes > awful but it's worth it (it MUCH more economical than > the fish oil caps). > Hi Pam, With respect, the Vit A level is too high and the EPA & DHA levels are too low. Don't forget to take 500 IUs Vit E as well. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 --- Ken Woody <kwoody wrote: > Try Carlson's Cod Liver Oil. It is made with Lemon > and tastes good, at least > to me it does : ) > Thanks, Ken! That's the brand I asked for at the HFS I went to. They didn't have that brand so I bought Twin Labs' Dale Alexanders' Cod Liver Oil Cherry Flavored. Thought the cherry flavoring would help...IT DIDN'T!!! How much do you take a day,hon? Pam > Find the one for you at Personals http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 --- Greg Watson <gowatson wrote: > With respect, the Vit A level is too high and the > EPA & DHA levels are too low. > > Don't forget to take 500 IUs Vit E as well. > Hi Greg, I don't know what cod liver oil you're talking about. Twin Labs' Cod Liver Oil has 552 mgs of EPA and 500 mgs of DHA per teaspoon (with 4600 IUs of vitamin A and 460 IUs of vitamin D). Too low??? You have to take 3 fish oil capsules (and that is if you get a good high-potency brand) to get the same amount of EPA and DHA. And those amounts of vit A & D are not too high. Most vit A supplements have 10,000 IUs. Since taking cod liver oil, I don't have to supplement with vit A. So, you can really see the economics of taking cod liver oil. Yes, I take Vit E as well. Hope this helps, Pam > > Find the one for you at Personals http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 - " Pamela Southall " <southallp Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:58 PM Re: Re: Omega-3s > I don't know what cod liver oil you're talking about. > Twin Labs' Cod Liver Oil has 552 mgs of EPA and 500 > mgs of DHA per teaspoon (with 4600 IUs of vitamin A > and 460 IUs of vitamin D). Too low??? You have to > take 3 fish oil capsules (and that is if you get a > good high-potency brand) to get the same amount of EPA > and DHA. And those amounts of vit A & D are not too > high. Most vit A supplements have 10,000 IUs. Since > taking cod liver oil, I don't have to supplement with > vit A. So, you can really see the economics of taking > cod liver oil. Hi Pam, 1 teaspoon is about 5 g of the oil, so to compare apples to apples 1g of fish oil is 180 mg EPA and 120 mg DHA. Therefore 5 g would be 900 mg EPA and 600 mg DHA. I prefer to get my Vits from veggies. Anyway 1 teaspoon of your cod liver oil is too much EPA + DHA. The recommended dose is 600 mg EPA + DHA which is what you get from 2 standard fish oil capsules. Just be sure you are limiting Omega 6 LA to less than 7 g. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 I have been taking about 1 tsp a day, and then I take some flaxseed oil too. I do eat a fair amount of fatty fish along the way. We had a very nice poached salmon tonight. On a side note, once I started giving our three children EPA and DHA, their attention span at school went way up. I know since we homeschool : ) I did just read in the Omega Plan tonight that Cod Liver Oil sends you over the Vit A and D requirements if you take enough, so I may relook that. Ken Thanks, Ken! That's the brand I asked for at the HFS I went to. They didn't have that brand so I bought Twin Labs' Dale Alexanders' Cod Liver Oil Cherry Flavored. Thought the cherry flavoring would help...IT DIDN'T!!! How much do you take a day,hon? Pam > Find the one for you at Personals http://personals. Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health and well being. To learn more about the Gettingwell group, Subscription and list archives are at: Gettingwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 --- Greg Watson <gowatson wrote: > 1 teaspoon is about 5 g of the oil, so to compare > apples to apples 1g of fish oil is 180 mg EPA and > 120 mg DHA. > Therefore 5 g would be 900 mg EPA and 600 mg DHA. This is inaccurate information, Greg. Like I said in my email, the cod liver oil has 552 mgs of EPA and 500 mgs per teaspoon (5 g) NOT 900/EPA and 600/DHA. > Anyway 1 teaspoon of your cod liver oil is too much > EPA + DHA. The recommended dose is 600 mg EPA + DHA > which is what > you get from 2 standard fish oil capsules. > Like so many supplements, recommendations vary drastically. I have never heard of the recommended dose of both the omegas being 600 mg. I usually see 1,500 mgs (combined mgs of EPA & DHA). And of course therapeutic does are much higher. Pam Find the one for you at Personals http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 - " Pamela Southall " <southallp Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:28 PM Re: Re: Omega-3s > --- Greg Watson <gowatson wrote: > > > 1 teaspoon is about 5 g of the oil, so to compare > > apples to apples 1g of fish oil is 180 mg EPA and > > 120 mg DHA. > > Therefore 5 g would be 900 mg EPA and 600 mg DHA. > > This is inaccurate information, Greg. Like I said in > my email, the cod liver oil has 552 mgs of EPA and 500 > mgs per teaspoon (5 g) NOT 900/EPA and 600/DHA. You took my example the wrong way around. I should have been clearer. Sorry. The figures I gave were for 1 teaspoon of fish oil so as to compare with 1 teapsoon of cod liver oil. Gram for gram, there is more EPA and DHA in fish oil than cod liver oil. > > Anyway 1 teaspoon of your cod liver oil is too much > > EPA + DHA. The recommended dose is 600 mg EPA + DHA > > which is what > > you get from 2 standard fish oil capsules. > > > Like so many supplements, recommendations vary > drastically. I have never heard of the recommended > dose of both the omegas being 600 mg. I usually see > 1,500 mgs (combined mgs of EPA & DHA). And of course > therapeutic does are much higher. Hi Pam, Here are the current non commercial recommendations from a US expert working committee: ===================== Polyunsaturated fatty acids in the food chain in the United States http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/71/1/179 MEETING DIETARY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR n-3 FATTY ACIDS To date, no official dietary recommendations have been made for n-3 fatty acids in the United States. Recommendations for total PUFA intake, however, have been made: 1-2% of energy from linoleic acid is required to prevent a fatty acid deficiency and total PUFA intake should remain at 7% of energy and not exceed 10% of energy. Although no formal recommendation for n-3 fatty acid intake has been made in the United States, a group of nutrition scientists has recently provided guidelines for specific recommendations for ALA, EPA, and DHA. This group suggests that intake of ALA be 2.2 g/d and that of EPA and DHA combined be 0.65 g/d. In addition, this group recommends an upper limit of 6.7 g linoleic acid/d. ================== So the recommendations are: Omega 6 LA < 7 g Omega 3 LNA ~ 2.2 g Omega 3 EPA + DHA ~ 0.65 g Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 Hi All I have taken about 3 tablespoons of cod liver oil per day for a couple of months with no apparent side effects. Basically cod liver oil is a food and i can not believe you will overdose on a food. Also just got my EFA test back from GSDL - the test is quite impressive - my omega 3s are just getting back into a normal range. DHA is slow to evolve from EPA so i will keep on going till my DHA is off scale high to see what will happen. Rick Pamela Southall wrote: > --- Greg Watson <gowatson wrote: > > > 1 teaspoon is about 5 g of the oil, so to compare > > apples to apples 1g of fish oil is 180 mg EPA and > > 120 mg DHA. > > Therefore 5 g would be 900 mg EPA and 600 mg DHA. > > This is inaccurate information, Greg. Like I said in > my email, the cod liver oil has 552 mgs of EPA and 500 > mgs per teaspoon (5 g) NOT 900/EPA and 600/DHA. > > > Anyway 1 teaspoon of your cod liver oil is too much > > EPA + DHA. The recommended dose is 600 mg EPA + DHA > > which is what > > you get from 2 standard fish oil capsules. > > > Like so many supplements, recommendations vary > drastically. I have never heard of the recommended > dose of both the omegas being 600 mg. I usually see > 1,500 mgs (combined mgs of EPA & DHA). And of course > therapeutic does are much higher. > > Pam > > _ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 --- Greg Watson <gowatson wrote: > This group suggests that intake of ALA be 2.2 g/d > and that of EPA and DHA combined be 0.65 g/d. > Greg, lets agree to disagree about 'recommendations' of Omega-3s. ;-) My point was that cod liver oil is more economical than fish oil CAPSULES not fish oil. Comparing the EPA and DHA of fish oil to cod liver oil is irrelevant . Pam Find the one for you at Personals http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 --- Ken Woody <kwoody wrote: > On a side note, once I started giving our three > children EPA and DHA, their > attention span at school went way up. I know since > we homeschool : ) Thanks, Ken, for this information. I am going to pass it on to a friend of mine that has a boy that is having a little trouble with attention span. Pam Find the one for you at Personals http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 --- Richard Muenzer <r.muenzer wrote: > I have taken about 3 tablespoons of cod liver > oil per day > for a couple of months with no apparent side > effects. > Basically cod liver oil is a food and i can not > believe you > will overdose on a food. Hi Rick, What brand of cod liver oil do you take? Do you take it by itself (YUCK!) or mix it with something. Thanks for this information, Pam Find the one for you at Personals http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 - " Richard Muenzer " <r.muenzer Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:58 PM Re: Re: Omega-3s > Hi All > > I have taken about 3 tablespoons of cod liver oil per day > for a couple of months with no apparent side effects. > Basically cod liver oil is a food and i can not believe you > will overdose on a food. > Also just got my EFA test back from GSDL - the test is > quite impressive - my omega 3s are just getting back into a > normal range. DHA is slow to evolve from EPA so i will keep > on going till my DHA is off scale high to see what will happen. > Hi Rick, I would appreciate it if you would let me see your results. I have a Excel spreadsheet which has many data sets to which I would like to add yours. I maybe able to suggest dietary changes to improve your data further. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 - " Pamela Southall " <southallp Thursday, November 15, 2001 3:13 PM Re: Re: Omega-3s > --- Greg Watson <gowatson wrote: > > > This group suggests that intake of ALA be 2.2 g/d > > and that of EPA and DHA combined be 0.65 g/d. > > > Greg, lets agree to disagree about 'recommendations' > of Omega-3s. ;-) My point was that cod liver oil is > more economical than fish oil CAPSULES not fish oil. > Comparing the EPA and DHA of fish oil to cod liver oil > is irrelevant . > Hi Pam, If cod liver oil is your oil of choice, so be it. Just understand EPA & DHA are powerful fatty acids and you can overdose or get into problems if you take too much of any Omega. Suggest you run your diet through the NI Omega balancing KIM software. You will probably be surprised at your results. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 --- Greg Watson <gowatson wrote: > If cod liver oil is your oil of choice, so be it. > Just understand EPA & DHA are powerful fatty acids > and you can > overdose or get into problems if you take too much > of any Omega. True, Greg, like just about everything else! How come you didn't warn Rick? ;-) He's taking much more than I ever would dream of taking lol! I appreciate your input! Pam > > > > Find the one for you at Personals http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 - " Richard Muenzer " <r.muenzer Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:58 PM Re: Re: Omega-3s > Basically cod liver oil is a food and i can not believe you > will overdose on a food. Hi Rick, With respect cod liver is a concentrated product. There is no way you could get this in nature. Sort of like carbs. The more processed and concentrated they are, the more the body has problems handling them. Be very aware that you can get too much EPA & DHA. I do strongly suggest you observe the USA working committee recommendations on Omegas unless your doctor is treating a specific disease. High and higher levels of EPA and DHA may depress needed inflammatory reactions. Like your stomach cells not reacting to being eaten by stomach acid, producing not enough bicarbonate to buffer the acid and turning into a ulcer. Aspirin and other NSAIDs do this. They work just like EPA does and damps down the Omega 6 AA derived eicosanoids. Take care, Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 Ok Greg Here are the numbers: ALA 18:3 w3 = .33 EPA 20:5 w3 = 3.53 DPA 22:5 w3 = 2.5 DHA 22:6 w3 = 5.8 LA 18:2 w6 = 13.3 GLA 18:3 w6 = 0.05 DGLA 20:3 w6 = 1.45 AA 20:4 w6 = 12 Trans FA = 0.5 Omega 3s = 12 Omega 6s = 27.5 Long chain w9 = 16 Saturated = 43 Monounsaturated Myristoleic 14:1 w5 = <dl Palmitoleic 16:1 w7 = 0.25 Oleic 18:1 w9 = 12 Vaccenic 18:1 w7 = 0.96 Gondoic 20:1 w9 = 0.23 Nervonic 24:1 w9 = 4 Saturated Lauric C12:0 = 0.1 this is after taking lots of coconut oil - quite disappointing! Myristic C14:0 = 0.54 Pentadecanoic C15:0 = 0.11 Palmitic C16:0 = 21 Margaric C17:0 = 0.29 Steric C18:0 = 16 Arachridic C20:0 = 0.28 Behenic C22:0 = 0.94 Tricosanoic C23:0 = 0.17 Lignoceric C24:0 = 3.0 I will add cetyl myristoleate which is another key to EFA balance of severe diseases.. Rick Greg Watson wrote: I would appreciate it if you would let me see your results. I have a Excel spreadsheet which has many data sets to which I would like to add yours. I maybe able to suggest dietary changes to improve your data further. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 --- Rick Muenzer <r.muenzer wrote: > Hi Pam > > Regular Twin Labs Cod Liver Oil - if fresh you > don't > get a fishey taste. It is an aquired taste but so > is sugar, > so to be healthy just learn to dislike sugar (except > fruits). > So put another way - overcome the sugar demon. ;-) Hi Rick! Luckily, I don't have the sugar demon any more ;-)!!! Actually, it's not the taste of sugar that ppl are drawn to, it's the chemical *release* they get from sugar. Oh, I get so much from the cod liver oil that I wouldn't give it up for anything. Thanks, Rick, for your input, Pam <~~~~~~~~~~sugar free but sweeter for it ;-) Find the one for you at Personals http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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