Guest guest Posted November 14, 2001 Report Share Posted November 14, 2001 > <<Terri, > That's a really good question! Have you tried asking this question on the > bulletin board at http://www.ithyroid.com ? (it's a site written by a man > who had > *both* hypo and hyper, *and* he cured himself with vitamins and natural > supplements) > Mindy>> Mindy, I just went and took a peak at that site... from the looks of it... lots of info! Thanks so much for sharing. Terri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2001 Report Share Posted November 14, 2001 > <<Terri and Mindy, someone who has *both* hypo and hyper thyroid has > Hashimoto's, a common autoimmune form of thyroid disease. They also still > have a thyroid gland. Supplements like seaweed may or may not *work*. > > But someone without a thyroid absolutely needs daily supplementation with > T4, or combined T4/T3 forever, and needs to be under medical care. Thyroid > hormones drive the metabolism at the most basic level. Natural > " supplements " and thyroid boosters like seaweed do not cut it for someone > without a thyroid gland, keeping in mind that seaweed provides iodine which > is converted by the thyroid to the T-hormones. No gland, no conversion. > > Joan McPhee, not an M.D.>> Joan, I appreciate your thoughts and agree.. I was diagnosed with hashimotos but now due to surgery and nuclear meds, I have no thyroid. I asked on many lists about supplementation for " no thyroid " , there doesn't seem to be a definitive answer. I do take daily meds which are monitored through bloodwork. My thoughts on seaweed are that although my thyroid can't benefit from it, maybe I could use the minerals that are in seaweed? Hashimotos being an autoimmune disease, the med. establishment says " the body is attacking itself " , to which they have no cure or reason why. There has to be underlying reasons why a body is going after itself.. in ANY autoimmune disease! What is the body lacking or have too much of? How can one " desensitize " the body to itself... to slow down this disease or reverse it? A puzzlement... Terri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2001 Report Share Posted November 14, 2001 - <annhope1 Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:29 AM Re: no thyroid > What is the body lacking or have too much of? How can > one " desensitize " the body to itself... to slow down this disease or reverse > it? A puzzlement... Hi Terri, Most autoimmune diseases have some basis in a body which is proinflammatory due to too much Omega 6 linoleic acid (LA) and too little Omega 3 LNA, EPA & DHA. These fatty acids help to form the membranes around every one of your 70 trillion cells and are the precursors (raw materials) of a group of very powerful, short range & short lived hormones called eicosanoids. These hormones are generated by every cell to tell the cell's DNA about the state of the world just outside the cell walls. Think of eicosanoids as scouts, each assigned a very specific think to check on. Some check for bad things and some for good thing, Sort of like old scouts sent out from the fort to check on the Indians. Get a unbalance in the number of the bad scouts over the good scouts and the cell will incorrectly assume things outside are bad and adapt a pro-inflammatory stance. This is what occurs when our cell membranes get too much Omega 6 fatty acids and too little Omega 3. However you don't want to go too far in the opposite direction as when the cell needs to be proinflammatory it may not do so. To balance your body for eicosanoids you need to follow the recommendations of a recent US working committee: 1) Omega 6 LA > 1 g & < 7 g (No veggie oil products except canola & olive oil) 2) Omega 3 LNA ~ 2.5 g (1 tablespoon of ground flax) 3) Omega 3 EPA + DHA ~ 0.6 g (1 serve of fatty fish or 2 standard fish oil capsules) The US National Institute of Health has produced a software package which will analyse your diet and calculate your various Omega intakes and the amount of Omega 6 verus Omega 3 in your cell membranes. You can also get a red blood cell membrane fatty acid analysis done. I would strongly suggest anyone with ANY medical condition to get this done. It's more important than cholesterol!!!!............... Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 > My thoughts on seaweed are that although my thyroid can't benefit from it, > maybe I could use the minerals that are in seaweed? There is a high incidence of hypothyroidism/thyroiditis among the Irish, particularly those who live near the sea and eat a lot of seaweed. Joan McPhee, not an M.D. mcpheej Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2001 Report Share Posted November 15, 2001 Joan McPhee wrote: > There is a high incidence of hypothyroidism/thyroiditis among the Irish, > particularly those who live near the sea and eat a lot of seaweed. > > Joan McPhee, not an M.D. > mcpheej > Hmmm...but aren't Irish prone to thyroid disorders anyhow? My MIL is Irish and had both hypo and hyper thyroid problems... (if I recall correctly, they ended up destroying her thyroid and she's permanently on synthetic medication...) Anyway, I think you're right - that seaweed may or may not be beneficial, and that there's a WHOLE lot more to the story than we know... -- Mindy ----------------------- " ...that they may be one... " - Jesus, John 17:22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 Terri I would be extremely interested in your 'symptoms' prior to Hashimotos being diagnosed - I have had thyroid problems which they are having no success with diagnosing, on-going for 2 years and still no progress . Symptoms all suggest 'Hypo' blood checks suggest 'Hyper' - could this possibly be hashimotos??? Regards Marianne - UK > Joan, > I appreciate your thoughts and agree.. > I was diagnosed with hashimotos but now due to surgery and nuclear meds, I > have no thyroid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 I am hypothryoid and after 6 years dont believe the blood tests are accurate. We are guinea pigs.. donna In a message dated 01/19/11 12:35:44 PM, marianne2406 writes: << I would be extremely interested in your 'symptoms' prior to Hashimotos being diagnosed - I have had thyroid problems which they are having no success with >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 I found a doctor who would prescribe armour fo r me and I was able to get completely off of the synthroid which made me sicker I was on every color they make at some point. Donna In a message dated 01/19/11 6:35:50 PM, mindy writes: << How about the Barnes' temperature test? I consider myself to have a successful day if I can push the thermometer up to 98.3... <g> <--- during the day... (it is always super-low in the mornings, not a good sign) -- >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 dfnewman wrote: > I am hypothryoid and after 6 years dont believe the blood tests are > accurate. We are guinea pigs.. > donna How about the Barnes' temperature test? I consider myself to have a successful day if I can push the thermometer up to 98.3... <g> <--- during the day... (it is always super-low in the mornings, not a good sign) -- Mindy ----------------------- " ...that they may be one... " - Jesus, John 17:22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 Would not surprise me in the least - unfortunately my specialist who was extremely good, is no longer able to practice as he is very ill - just as he was about to diagnose!!! Marianne > I am hypothryoid and after 6 years dont believe the blood tests are > accurate. We are guinea pigs.. > donna > In a message dated 01/19/11 12:35:44 PM, marianne2406 writes: > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 Sorry to be thick but what does this prove - if I have a very low temperature in the mornings, I have thyroid problems/hashimotos? Marianne > How about the Barnes' temperature test? I consider myself to have a > successful > day if I can push the thermometer up to 98.3... <g> <--- during the day... > (it > is always super-low in the mornings, not a good sign) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2001 Report Share Posted November 21, 2001 marianne2406 wrote: > Sorry to be thick but what does this prove - if I have a very low temperature > in the mornings, I have thyroid problems/hashimotos? > Yes. (According to Dr. Barnes, anyway....) -- Mindy ----------------------- " ...that they may be one... " - Jesus, John 17:22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2001 Report Share Posted November 27, 2001 In a message dated 21/11/01 17:30:10 GMT Standard Time, mindy writes: interesting - I will try it now that I am over the flu virus. > Yes. > > (According to Dr. Barnes, anyway....) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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