Foods, eating habits, Low Carbs (Charles Weber)

[Guest guest]

Dear Mindy, Wayne, and Group,

Charles Weber is a member of our group and he wants to propose a

therapy for people with arthritis.

 

Frank

 

 

Gettingwell, Mindy Behymer <mindy@l...> wrote:

> Wayne Fugitt wrote:

 

I was especially delighted to see that you had a link to Charles

Weber's site regarding potassium. Boy, it's hard to get enough

potassium...ya gotta think about what you're eating. I like to take

my calcium and magnesium pills with an 8 oz glass of low-sodium V8

juice (900mg potassium). Here's another great web page about the

link between potassium and hypothyroidism (not as great as Charles

Weber's though) ...what I like about this page is that, down at the

bottom, she gives a list of different recipes to boost potassium. oh

well, I didn't mean to go on and on about it...I'm sure your trail

mix provides a great source of potassium.

>

####

 

This guy is now a member of our group and he wants to propose a

therapy for people with arthritis.

 

Frank

[Guest guest]

Dear Group;

Thank you very much for the invitation.

It is my contention that the low cell {whole body} potassium always

present in rheumatoid arthritis (1), or RA, is at

least the most important symptom and perhaps the cause (2). No

experiment has ever been reported testing

potassium against RA.

You could ask how I came to believe this. About fifty years ago in a

Rutgers University chemistry lab the student

next to me released bromine gas. I became violently sick. For a year

or so my immune system was so badly damaged I

could not even resist a minor infection. Even an ingrown hair

required an operation to remove the infection.

I am convinced that my kidneys were also damaged in such a way that I

could not retain potassium efficiently. In any

case, about five years later I sprained my right wrist while picking

in hard ground. Then later the left wrist became

painful, and finally my back. The timing of these pains may have been

partly because of some emotional stress I was

under about this time because aldosterone is raised by emotional

stress.

My first thought was that maybe there was something wrong

nutritionally. However I was careful about my diet and

the only processed food was artificial soft drinks. I added vitamin C

to them. Then it dawned on me. Fruit juice

provides more than vitamin C. They also provide potassium. So I put

some potassium chloride in a gelatin capsule

and swallowed it. The stomach ache that came in a short time

convinced me that that was not the way to do it.

Sometimes a single experiment is enough evidence if there is enough

pain. Dissolving the potassium chloride in fruit

juice {real fruit juice} gave no obvious problem and gave the juice a

nice rich flavor. Most importantly, the pains

disappeared in about a week. When I went off the supplements the

pains would return after awhile, and the

supplements would remove them again. This convinced me. My conviction

was reinforced when my wife had a

similar experience after she was diagnosed to have RA some time later

as did others. I had piled pillows on the sprung

seat of my back hoe in a vain attempt to mitigate the pain. After

potassium I was able to remove the seat and replaced

it with a solid steel plate with no further problem.

This started me on a life long library research in an effort to gain

enough evidence to convince researchers to perform

an experiment. There was evidence of relief of RA from a raw

vegetable diet in Europe (3) but no one attempted to

find out what in the vegetables were doing it. There was an

experiment on a single individual to test the effects of

short bursts of various steroids on urinary excretion (4). The

patient slowly improved even though the only

consistent change was to bring his daily intake of potassium to 3,500

mg. Virtually none of the other experiments

involving potassium failed to support this proposal or at least to be

neutral. The only exception was a somewhat

higher potassium in red blood cells during RA (5) which I suspect is

an adaptation to help avoid circulatory collapse

during diarrhea (6).

I can sympathize if you are reluctant to use potassium supplements ,

especially in view of the fear medical

professionals have about potassium, a fear sparked by unfortunate

lethal experience with enteric tablets and the

difficulties those who have kidney failure experience. However there

should be no legal, ethical, or actual problems if

if you use food high in potassium from this table (7) since

arthritics have plenty of additional capacity for potassium

in their cell fluid, some as much as 50,000 mg. There is no reason

why nourishing food prepared correctly (8) should

give any problem to people even after repletion who still have more

than 15% of their kidney function. Even those

who do not have good kidneys will probably not have adverse symptoms

appear with devastating suddenness. I

urgently recommend that you food if you have rheumatoid arthritis.

If you should decide to use supplements, say

Morton's Lite table salt or Stirling's Half and Half, please read

this URL (9) first.

REFERENCES

1. LaCelle PL, Morgan ES Atwater EC. An investigation of total body

potassium in patients with rheumatoid arthritis.

Proceedings Ann. Meeting of the Rheumatism Association, Arthritis &

Rheumatism 1964; 7: 321.

2. http://members.tripod.com/~charles_W/arthritis.html

3. Eppinger H Einiges uber diatische therapie. Ztschr. F. Arztl.

Fortbild 1939; 36: 672-678 & 709-714.

4. Clark WS Bauer W Appleton J Manning E The relationship of

alterations in mineral and nitrogen metabolism to

disease activity in a patient with rheumatoid arthritis. Rheum.

Scand. Acta 1956; 2: 193.

5. Knudsen ET Erythrocyte potassium level in rheumatoid arthritis.

Lancet 1957; 272: 251.

6. http://members.tripod.com/~charles_W/cortisol.html

7. http://members.tripod.com/~charles_W/table.html

8. http://members.tripod.com/~charles_W/arthritis10b.html

9. http://members.tripod.com/~charles_W/arthritis12.html

[Guest guest]

Dear Group,

 

Charles and I have been discussing this for a few days.

He has been asked and he said that he would like to put forth the

information and possible connection between Potassium and arthritis in

the group.

 

If any memebers have arthritus and would like to try the potassium

supplementation, Please read the information at Charle's site. Also

please report along the way any observations that you can make about

the effects of the potassium on you and your condition.

 

I started supplementing my diet today.

Thanks,

Frank

 

 

 

Gettingwell, isoptera@i... wrote:

> Dear Group;

> Thank you very much for the invitation.

> It is my contention that the low cell {whole body} potassium always

> present in rheumatoid arthritis (1), or RA, is at

> least the most important symptom and perhaps the cause (2). No

> experiment has ever been reported testing

> potassium against RA.

> You could ask how I came to believe this. About fifty years ago in a

> Rutgers University chemistry lab the student

> next to me released bromine gas. I became violently sick. For a year

> or so my immune system was so badly damaged I

> could not even resist a minor infection. Even an ingrown hair

> required an operation to remove the infection.

> I am convinced that my kidneys were also damaged in such a way that

I

> could not retain potassium efficiently. In any

> case, about five years later I sprained my right wrist while picking

> in hard ground. Then later the left wrist became

> painful, and finally my back. The timing of these pains may have

been

> partly because of some emotional stress I was

> under about this time because aldosterone is raised by emotional

> stress.

> My first thought was that maybe there was something wrong

> nutritionally. However I was careful about my diet and

> the only processed food was artificial soft drinks. I added vitamin

C

> to them. Then it dawned on me. Fruit juice

> provides more than vitamin C. They also provide potassium. So I put

> some potassium chloride in a gelatin capsule

> and swallowed it. The stomach ache that came in a short time

> convinced me that that was not the way to do it.

> Sometimes a single experiment is enough evidence if there is enough

> pain. Dissolving the potassium chloride in fruit

> juice {real fruit juice} gave no obvious problem and gave the juice

a

> nice rich flavor. Most importantly, the pains

> disappeared in about a week. When I went off the supplements the

> pains would return after awhile, and the

> supplements would remove them again. This convinced me. My

conviction

> was reinforced when my wife had a

> similar experience after she was diagnosed to have RA some time

later

> as did others. I had piled pillows on the sprung

> seat of my back hoe in a vain attempt to mitigate the pain. After

> potassium I was able to remove the seat and replaced

> it with a solid steel plate with no further problem.

> This started me on a life long library research in an effort to gain

> enough evidence to convince researchers to perform

> an experiment. There was evidence of relief of RA from a raw

> vegetable diet in Europe (3) but no one attempted to

> find out what in the vegetables were doing it. There was an

> experiment on a single individual to test the effects of

> short bursts of various steroids on urinary excretion (4). The

> patient slowly improved even though the only

> consistent change was to bring his daily intake of potassium to

3,500

> mg. Virtually none of the other experiments

> involving potassium failed to support this proposal or at least to

be

> neutral. The only exception was a somewhat

> higher potassium in red blood cells during RA (5) which I suspect is

> an adaptation to help avoid circulatory collapse

> during diarrhea (6).

> I can sympathize if you are reluctant to use potassium supplements

,

> especially in view of the fear medical

> professionals have about potassium, a fear sparked by unfortunate

> lethal experience with enteric tablets and the

> difficulties those who have kidney failure experience. However there

> should be no legal, ethical, or actual problems if

> if you use food high in potassium from this table (7) since

> arthritics have plenty of additional capacity for potassium

> in their cell fluid, some as much as 50,000 mg. There is no reason

> why nourishing food prepared correctly (8) should

> give any problem to people even after repletion who still have more

> than 15% of their kidney function. Even those

> who do not have good kidneys will probably not have adverse symptoms

> appear with devastating suddenness. I

> urgently recommend that you food if you have rheumatoid arthritis.

> If you should decide to use supplements, say

> Morton's Lite table salt or Stirling's Half and Half, please read

> this URL (9) first.

> REFERENCES

> 1. LaCelle PL, Morgan ES Atwater EC. An investigation of total body

> potassium in patients with rheumatoid arthritis.

> Proceedings Ann. Meeting of the Rheumatism Association, Arthritis &

> Rheumatism 1964; 7: 321.

> 2. http://members.tripod.com/~charles_W/arthritis.html

> 3. Eppinger H Einiges uber diatische therapie. Ztschr. F. Arztl.

> Fortbild 1939; 36: 672-678 & 709-714.

> 4. Clark WS Bauer W Appleton J Manning E The relationship of

> alterations in mineral and nitrogen metabolism to

> disease activity in a patient with rheumatoid arthritis. Rheum.

> Scand. Acta 1956; 2: 193.

> 5. Knudsen ET Erythrocyte potassium level in rheumatoid arthritis.

> Lancet 1957; 272: 251.

> 6. http://members.tripod.com/~charles_W/cortisol.html

> 7. http://members.tripod.com/~charles_W/table.html

> 8. http://members.tripod.com/~charles_W/arthritis10b.html

> 9. http://members.tripod.com/~charles_W/arthritis12.html