Guest guest Posted November 10, 2001 Report Share Posted November 10, 2001 Dear Group, Essential fatty acids are necessary for life and vital for health. You health could very definately depend on what you take into your body as oils and fats. Nurtional they are same fats = oils. I really recommend that you read the web site at GS Labs posted earlier. For those who have health problems I urge you to read: Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill. by Udo Erasmus. 456 pages. $22.95 US from Alive Books Vancouver Can. I bought mine at half.com for about $5 or $6 dollars US and about $2.95 shipping Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2001 Report Share Posted November 10, 2001 Frank, Do you use Udo's Choice oil? I do. I heard it's the best oil on the market. Pam Find a job, post your resume. http://careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2001 Report Share Posted November 10, 2001 Dear Pam, Yes, I personally do use that Udo's Oil. I also take some pure flax seed oil even though there is some in Udo's OIl. What I take may or may not be the best thing for someone else. They may have different needs according to their health sitution. Some take flax oil with a sulphurated protein like cottage cheese for trying to rebalance there fatty acids to help control some cancers like prostate cancer. I now feel like I must say something to bring some balance to some previous posts. Very fresh coconut oil has a place in some peoples diets. The trouble is most coconut oil is refined in such a way as to not be the same product as if you were eating the oils in fresh coconut. If taken in moderation and if fresh it could be good for some people. Those with high LDL cholesterol or triglycerides should limit their intake. This is irregardless of the cause of plaque and atheroscleosis. just my opinion, Frank Coconut oil cantains almost no essential fatty acids. Gettingwell, Pamela Southall <southallp> wrote: > Frank, > > Do you use Udo's Choice oil? I do. I heard it's the > best oil on the market. > > Pam > > > > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2001 Report Share Posted November 10, 2001 Sorry, I missplaced one sentence in the last post. Gettingwell, califpacific wrote: > Dear Pam, > Yes, I personally do use that Udo's Oil. > > I also take some pure flax seed oil even though there is some in Udo's > OIl. > What I take may or may not be the best thing for someone else. They > may have different needs according to their health sitution. > > Some take flax oil with a sulphurated protein like cottage cheese for > trying to rebalance there fatty acids to help control some cancers > like prostate cancer. > > I now feel like I must say something to bring some balance to some > previous posts. > > Very fresh coconut oil has a place in some peoples diets. The trouble > is most coconut oil is refined in such a way as to not be the same > product as if you were eating the oils in fresh coconut. > If taken in moderation and if fresh it could be good for some people. > Those with high LDL cholesterol or triglycerides should limit their > intake. This is irregardless of the cause of plaque and > atheroscleosis. **But most importantly in my mind is that **Coconut oil contains almost no essential fatty acids. > just my opinion, > Frank > > > Gettingwell, Pamela Southall <southallp> wrote: > > Frank, > > > > Do you use Udo's Choice oil? I do. I heard it's the > > best oil on the market. > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > Find a job, post your resume. > > http://careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2001 Report Share Posted November 10, 2001 Gettingwell, califpacific wrote: > **But most importantly in my mind is that > **Coconut oil contains almost no essential fatty acids. > > > just my opinion, > > Frank Gee Frank, that all depends on your definition of " essential. " If you are talking about omega 3s, you are right. But that is not the primary reason for consuming coconut oil. I don't think omega 3s are the catch all for good health for everyone. Maybe we shouldn't drink fresh apple juice either, since it doesn't have much omega 3s???? (Omega 6s are considered " essential " too you know.) The fact is that coconut oil DOES contain a lot of fatty acids that are beneficial, mainly the medium chain fatty acids, like lauric acid, which is also abundant in human breast milk. Many think lauric acid should be labeled " essential. " As to your statement regarding coconut oil: " If taken in moderation and if fresh it could be good for some people. Those with high LDL cholesterol or triglycerides should limit their intake. This is irregardless of the cause of plaque and atheroscleosis. " It sounds like you have bought into the party line regarding saturated fats and the cause of heart disease as expressed in the lipid theory. Where is the basis for such a statement? What about the 1/4th of the world's population in Asian countries that consume coconuts every day, and are generally healthier than westerners? These populations have been consuming coconuts for thousands of years, and now westerners who write all the science journals and text books in the medical schools are making statements like yours saying coconut oil should only be consumed in moderation by some people because it is bad for them. The result is that they are now starting to suffer the same diseases as western countries because they are consuming vegetable oils instead, which are supposedly " healthier. " While the omega 3 fatty acids are an important part of one's diet, it is only that: a part, and should not be used as a yard stick to measure all other foods. Brian Shilhavy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2001 Report Share Posted November 10, 2001 Dear Bryan, My definition of " essential " is the same one used by biochemists and nutritionalists worldwide. It means essential for life, cannot be made in the body by converting some other substance to the one needed. That must be taken in in some way to have life. Flax has Efa's most oils have some EFa's Unfortunately coconut has almost none. Most of the fatty acids in it can be made in the body. Most people are already taking in coconut oils now also whether they know it or not. Most of the chocolate candies that melt when you eat them are because of the coconut oil. Also non dairy creamers. and as additives in many processed foods. Although this not the optimal way to take it. Anyway it means essential for life, it is quite an elemental term. Frank Gettingwell, " Brian Shilhavy " <brian@s...> wrote: > Gettingwell, califpacific wrote: > > **But most importantly in my mind is that > > **Coconut oil contains almost no essential fatty acids. > > > > > just my opinion, > > > Frank > > Gee Frank, that all depends on your definition of " essential. " If you > are talking about omega 3s, you are right. But that is not the > primary reason for consuming coconut oil. I don't think omega 3s are > the catch all for good health for everyone. Maybe we shouldn't drink > fresh apple juice either, since it doesn't have much omega 3s???? > (Omega 6s are considered " essential " too you know.) The fact is that > coconut oil DOES contain a lot of fatty acids that are beneficial, > mainly the medium chain fatty acids, like lauric acid, which is also > abundant in human breast milk. Many think lauric acid should be > labeled " essential. " > > As to your statement regarding coconut oil: " If taken in moderation > and if fresh it could be good for some people. Those with high LDL > cholesterol or triglycerides should limit their intake. This is > irregardless of the cause of plaque and atheroscleosis. " It sounds > like you have bought into the party line regarding saturated fats and > the cause of heart disease as expressed in the lipid theory. Where is > the basis for such a statement? What about the 1/4th of the world's > population in Asian countries that consume coconuts every day, and > are generally healthier than westerners? These populations have been > consuming coconuts for thousands of years, and now westerners who > write all the science journals and text books in the medical schools > are making statements like yours saying coconut oil should only be > consumed in moderation by some people because it is bad for them. The > result is that they are now starting to suffer the same diseases as > western countries because they are consuming vegetable oils instead, > which are supposedly " healthier. " > > While the omega 3 fatty acids are an important part of one's diet, it > is only that: a part, and should not be used as a yard stick to > measure all other foods. > > Brian Shilhavy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2001 Report Share Posted November 10, 2001 Gettingwell, califpacific wrote: > Unfortunately coconut has almost none. Most of the fatty acids in it > can be made in the body. > Please get your facts straight before criticizing coconut oil Frank. The most dominant acid chain in coconut oil, as I have said many times now, is lauric acid, which can NOT be manufactured in the body unless you are a lactating female. It must be obtained by the diet. The absence of lauric acid in the US diet is just as much of a problem, if not more, than the absence of omega 3s. Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2001 Report Share Posted November 10, 2001 Dear Bryan, Let me rephrase that. It contains NO " essential " fatty acids. I don't say that, all of the research says that. Frank Gettingwell, " Brian Shilhavy " <brian@s...> wrote: > Gettingwell, califpacific wrote: > > Unfortunately coconut has almost none. Most of the fatty acids in > it > > can be made in the body. > > > > Please get your facts straight before criticizing coconut oil Frank. > The most dominant acid chain in coconut oil, as I have said many > times now, is lauric acid, which can NOT be manufactured in the body > unless you are a lactating female. It must be obtained by the diet. > The absence of lauric acid in the US diet is just as much of a > problem, if not more, than the absence of omega 3s. > > Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2001 Report Share Posted November 10, 2001 And it adds d_mn fine flavor to just about every food I eat. ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > Brian Shilhavy > 11/10/2001 6:10:14 AM > Gettingwell > Re: Essential Fatty Acids's > > Gettingwell, califpacific wrote: > > Unfortunately coconut has almost none. Most of the fatty acids in > it > > can be made in the body. > > > > Please get your facts straight before criticizing coconut oil Frank. > The most dominant acid chain in coconut oil, as I have said many > times now, is lauric acid, which can NOT be manufactured in the body > unless you are a lactating female. It must be obtained by the diet. > The absence of lauric acid in the US diet is just as much of a > problem, if not more, than the absence of omega 3s. > > Brian > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > Subscription and list archives are at: > Gettingwell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2001 Report Share Posted November 10, 2001 Well, I am not Frank, but I do take Udo's Choice oil. Frankly, I like the taste of it better than say Omega Nutrition's Essential Balance oil. Cheers, Rtshineto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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