Guest guest Posted November 8, 2001 Report Share Posted November 8, 2001 > Message: 1 > Wed, 7 Nov 2001 18:17:29 EST > AtlantaSistah > Re: Weight Loss Juice > > In a message dated 11/7/2001 4:55:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, > bhurd writes: > > > > My mom is in town, and I started her juicing. She wants to loss some weight > > so I was wondering if anyone knew of a weight loss juice, either to boost > > the metabolism or to suppress appetite. > > > > TIA > > Bea > > Try Virgin Coconut Oil. Many on our list (coconut-info.com) have started losing a pound or more a week just by switching to coconut oil. Read the research here: http://www.coconut-info.com/weight-loss.htm Regards, Brian Shilhavy http://www.coconut-info.com http://www.philippineherbs.com/peace.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2001 Report Share Posted November 8, 2001 - " Brian Shilhavy " <brian Thursday, November 08, 2001 5:11 PM Re: coconut oil for weight loss > Try Virgin Coconut Oil. Many on our list (coconut-info.com) have started > losing a pound or more a week just by switching to coconut oil. Read the > research here: http://www.coconut-info.com/weight-loss.htm Hi Brian, With respect I suggest canola oil enriched with Omega 3 LNA is even better. 1) Low Saturated fat 2) Rich in Monounsaturated 3) Rich in Omega 3 LNA 4) No transaturated. You might find this chart of various oils and their fat breakdown to be of value: http://www.freshhempfoods.com/nutrition/comp-table.html Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 - " Brian Shilhavy " <brian Friday, November 09, 2001 12:40 PM Re: coconut oil for weight loss > Greg, > > I would not consider canola oil a healthy oil. All the commercial brands I > am aware of are hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated, and can contain up > to 50% trans fats, which are the real killers when it comes to commercial > fats. The products I use have less then 0.5 % trans fats and I doubt you can get lower as some double bond alterations naturally occur. > Also, saturated fat has gotten a bad rap in recent history, and is not a bad > fat at all if it comes from a healthy source, like Virgin Coconut oil. A > good place to read about the truth on fats is here: > http://www.westonaprice.org/facts_about_fats/facts_about_fats.html Hi Brian, I do know about medium chain saturated fats but still consider a moderate fat diet (< 20 % total fat) comprising of about 2 - 3 % saturated, ~ 5 % Omega 6 & 3 and 10 - 12 % mono is the healthiest you can currently get. While coconut oil has some medium chain saturated fats (which are burnt instead of being stored) it also has heaps of the 16:0 & 18:0 chain saturated fats which are very bad for you. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 So where do you get coconut oil? Greg Watson [gowatson] Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:28 PM Gettingwell Re: coconut oil for weight loss - " Brian Shilhavy " <brian Friday, November 09, 2001 12:40 PM Re: coconut oil for weight loss > Greg, > > I would not consider canola oil a healthy oil. All the commercial brands I > am aware of are hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated, and can contain up > to 50% trans fats, which are the real killers when it comes to commercial > fats. The products I use have less then 0.5 % trans fats and I doubt you can get lower as some double bond alterations naturally occur. > Also, saturated fat has gotten a bad rap in recent history, and is not a bad > fat at all if it comes from a healthy source, like Virgin Coconut oil. A > good place to read about the truth on fats is here: > http://www.westonaprice.org/facts_about_fats/facts_about_fats.html Hi Brian, I do know about medium chain saturated fats but still consider a moderate fat diet (< 20 % total fat) comprising of about 2 - 3 % saturated, ~ 5 % Omega 6 & 3 and 10 - 12 % mono is the healthiest you can currently get. While coconut oil has some medium chain saturated fats (which are burnt instead of being stored) it also has heaps of the 16:0 & 18:0 chain saturated fats which are very bad for you. Greg Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health and well being. To learn more about the Gettingwell group, Subscription and list archives are at: Gettingwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Gettingwell, " Greg Watson " <gowatson@s...> wrote: > - > " Brian Shilhavy " <brian@s...> > <Gettingwell> > Friday, November 09, 2001 12:40 PM > Re: coconut oil for weight loss > > > Hi Brian, > > I do know about medium chain saturated fats but still consider a moderate fat diet (< 20 % total fat) comprising of > about 2 - 3 % saturated, ~ 5 % Omega 6 & 3 and 10 - 12 % mono is the healthiest you can currently get. Well, we would disagree on total fat intake. In traditional cultures, and even in the US more than 50 years ago, 50% of one's caloric intake as coming from fats was considered healthy. As far as percentages you mention and ratios, I don't believe there is a one- size fits all approach to this. > While coconut oil has some medium chain saturated fats (which are burnt instead of being stored) it also has heaps of > the 16:0 & 18:0 chain saturated fats which are very bad for you. > No, this is simply not true. Coconut oil has only around 10% C16 to C18 fatty acid composition. And these chains are naturally occuring and not necessarily unhealthy for you. What it does have " heaps " of is lauric acid (C:12), with about 50%. The only other place lauric acid naturally occurs in nature in any kind of abundance is in human breast milk. It is lauric acid that promotes a strong immune system, and which is sadly missing now from the diet in the US after the vegetable oil industry started bad-mouthing the tropical oils and replacing them with unhealthy polyunsaturated, hydrogenized vegetable oils, mainly soy bean oil. I prefer to stick with the " natural " fats that have been a part of healthy diets for thousands of years, such as coconut oil, olive oil, and butter. The expeller pressed vegetable oils have only been around since just after WWII, and in my opinion are not " natural. " Most of what you buy in the store is either heavily hydrogenated, chemically refined, and/or rancid. They are best consumed in their natural form by eating the vegetables or nuts they come from, because they don't keep well on a shelf. Coconut oil on the other hand, if it is unrefined, has a natural shelf life of about 5 years before it will even hint at going rancid, due to its natural antioxidant properties. If coconut oil were trully unhealthy as the vegetable oil industry would have us believe, people in tropical climates would dying off right and left from heart disease. Such is not the case however, at least among those still eating a traditional diet. Studies done in the South Pacific back in the 1960s, where the daily caloric intake was about 60% saturated fat, mostly from coconut products, found that the people were NOT overweight, did NOT suffer from heart disease, diabetes, or cancer. It was only when they adopted a western diet, including vegetable oils, that these diseases started showing up. I myself, along with my wife and three kids who live with me here in the Philippines, get over 50% of our caloric intake from saturated fat, including coconut oil, raw goat's milk, and butter. I won't touch vegetable oil: I avoid it like the plague. I am 41, 5'7 " and weight 125 lbs. My choleserol level is 160. Blessings, Brian Shilhavy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Brian You say you " ...won't touch vegetable oil. " What oils are you referring to? Do you include olive, flax, borage, evening primrose, etc. in that category? One of the most often heard arguments against a food as rich in saturated fat as coconut, is that it contributes to the development of, and worsens existing, cardiovascular disease. Heart disease, especially the gradual clogging of coronary arteries, is an epidemic in our country. They're finding arterial clogging in its early stages in a large percentage of people in their twenties, and the percentages increase dramatically above that age. Dr. Dean Ornish is adamantly opposed to all oils, and would probably strongly advise against the use of even the tiniest amount of coconut, or any other oil. Have you acquainted yourself with his theories? He favors diets for everyone, but especially heart patients, which include a " maximum " of 10% total calories from fat of any kind. John P. - " Brian Shilhavy " <brian Thursday, November 08, 2001 5:13 PM Re: coconut oil for weight loss > Gettingwell, " Greg Watson " <gowatson@s...> wrote: > > - > > " Brian Shilhavy " <brian@s...> > > <Gettingwell> > > Friday, November 09, 2001 12:40 PM > > Re: coconut oil for weight loss > > > > > > Hi Brian, > > > > I do know about medium chain saturated fats but still consider a > moderate fat diet (< 20 % total fat) comprising of > > about 2 - 3 % saturated, ~ 5 % Omega 6 & 3 and 10 - 12 % mono is > the healthiest you can currently get. > > Well, we would disagree on total fat intake. In traditional cultures, > and even in the US more than 50 years ago, 50% of one's caloric > intake as coming from fats was considered healthy. As far as > percentages you mention and ratios, I don't believe there is a one- > size fits all approach to this. > > > While coconut oil has some medium chain saturated fats (which are > burnt instead of being stored) it also has heaps of > > the 16:0 & 18:0 chain saturated fats which are very bad for you. > > > > No, this is simply not true. Coconut oil has only around 10% C16 to > C18 fatty acid composition. And these chains are naturally occuring > and not necessarily unhealthy for you. What it does have " heaps " of > is lauric acid (C:12), with about 50%. The only other place lauric > acid naturally occurs in nature in any kind of abundance is in human > breast milk. It is lauric acid that promotes a strong immune system, > and which is sadly missing now from the diet in the US after the > vegetable oil industry started bad-mouthing the tropical oils and > replacing them with unhealthy polyunsaturated, hydrogenized vegetable > oils, mainly soy bean oil. > > I prefer to stick with the " natural " fats that have been a part of > healthy diets for thousands of years, such as coconut oil, olive oil, > and butter. The expeller pressed vegetable oils have only been around > since just after WWII, and in my opinion are not " natural. " Most of > what you buy in the store is either heavily hydrogenated, chemically > refined, and/or rancid. They are best consumed in their natural form > by eating the vegetables or nuts they come from, because they don't > keep well on a shelf. > > Coconut oil on the other hand, if it is unrefined, has a natural > shelf life of about 5 years before it will even hint at going rancid, > due to its natural antioxidant properties. > > If coconut oil were trully unhealthy as the vegetable oil industry > would have us believe, people in tropical climates would dying off > right and left from heart disease. Such is not the case however, at > least among those still eating a traditional diet. Studies done in > the South Pacific back in the 1960s, where the daily caloric intake > was about 60% saturated fat, mostly from coconut products, found that > the people were NOT overweight, did NOT suffer from heart disease, > diabetes, or cancer. It was only when they adopted a western diet, > including vegetable oils, that these diseases started showing up. > > I myself, along with my wife and three kids who live with me here in > the Philippines, get over 50% of our caloric intake from saturated > fat, including coconut oil, raw goat's milk, and butter. I won't > touch vegetable oil: I avoid it like the plague. I am 41, 5'7 " and > weight 125 lbs. My choleserol level is 160. > > Blessings, > > Brian Shilhavy > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > Subscription and list archives are at: > Gettingwell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Greg, I would not consider canola oil a healthy oil. All the commercial brands I am aware of are hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated, and can contain up to 50% trans fats, which are the real killers when it comes to commercial fats. Also, saturated fat has gotten a bad rap in recent history, and is not a bad fat at all if it comes from a healthy source, like Virgin Coconut oil. A good place to read about the truth on fats is here: http://www.westonaprice.org/facts_about_fats/facts_about_fats.html As far as weight loss, coconut oil is the best in this regard because it is not processed in the body like other fats, and actually increases one's metabolism. Again, you can read the research here: http://www.coconut-info.com/weight-loss.htm This article is very well documented by sound research. Brian Shilhavy http://www.coconut-info.com http://www.philippineherbs.com/peace.htm > Message: 1 > Fri, 9 Nov 2001 07:00:26 +1030 > " Greg Watson " <gowatson > Re: coconut oil for weight loss > > - > " Brian Shilhavy " <brian > > Thursday, November 08, 2001 5:11 PM > Re: coconut oil for weight loss > > > > Try Virgin Coconut Oil. Many on our list (coconut-info.com) have started > > losing a pound or more a week just by switching to coconut oil. Read the > > research here: http://www.coconut-info.com/weight-loss.htm > > Hi Brian, > > With respect I suggest canola oil enriched with Omega 3 LNA is even better. > > 1) Low Saturated fat > > 2) Rich in Monounsaturated > > 3) Rich in Omega 3 LNA > > 4) No transaturated. > > You might find this chart of various oils and their fat breakdown to be of value: > http://www.freshhempfoods.com/nutrition/comp-table.html > > Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Gettingwell, " John Polifronio " <counterpnt@e...> wrote: > Brian > You say you " ...won't touch vegetable oil. " What oils are you referring to? > Do you include olive, flax, borage, evening primrose, etc. in that category? Hi John, I am referring to consumption of oils in the diet, mainly in preperation of foods and cooking. As I stated, that does not include olive oil, which has a long history of use in healthy diets. Virgin olive oil, if it is not rancid, is a healthy oil. The other oils you mention are generally supplements, and may be needed according to the needs of the individual. I do take salmon oil as a supplement myself because of a lack of omega 3s in my diet for so many years while living in the US. > One of the most often heard arguments against a food as rich in saturated > fat as coconut, is that it contributes to the development of, and worsens > existing, cardiovascular disease. Heart disease, especially the gradual > clogging of coronary arteries, is an epidemic in our country. They're > finding arterial clogging in its early stages in a large percentage of > people in their twenties, and the percentages increase dramatically above > that age. > Dr. Dean Ornish is adamantly opposed to all oils, and would probably > strongly advise against the use of even the tiniest amount of coconut, or > any other oil. Have you acquainted yourself with his theories? He favors > diets for everyone, but especially heart patients, which include a " maximum " > of 10% total calories from fat of any kind. > John P. John, This is based on the lipid theory of heart disease which has little or no scientific backing. Most of what is currently propogated about the lipid theory of heart disease is based on 3 studies funded by the National Heart Lung and Blood Institute. You would be surprised to read the actual data from these studies, and whether they actually support this theory. But when you spend that much money on research, you want it to say what you expect it to say, so it is easy to manipuate the data. You can read about it here: http://www.coconut- info.com/diet_and_disease.htm So what does cause the thickening of the arteries and heart disease? According to the research of Sally Fallon and Dr. Mary Enig, here is their list (published in the above referenced article): ----------------- 1. In the 1940s and 1950s, researchers Yudkin and Lopez discovered a link between consumption of refined sugar and heart disease. Sugar consumption lowers the body's resistance to bacteria, viruses, and yeasts that may cause inflammation in both the heart and the arteries. Excess sugar leads to deficiencies in the entire B-vitamin complex, needed for healthy arteries. Ongoing research at the U.S. Department of Agriculture indicates that fructose may be even more dangerous than sugar. Fructose, mainly in the form of high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS), has become the sweetener of choice for soft drinks, condiments and many so-called health foods. 2. Also in the 1960s, a researcher named Annand discovered a correlation between the consumption of heated milk protein and a tendency to thrombosis — the formation of blood clots — and noted that the rise in coronary heart disease began in the 1920s with laws requiring milk pasteurization. 3. Researcher Kilmer McCulley has found a positive relationship between deficiencies in folic acid, B 6 and B l2 , and severity of hardening or stiffness of the arteries, as well as the buildup of pathogenic plaque. B 6 and B 12 are found almost exclusively in animal products — the very foods that proponents of the lipid hypothesis advise us to avoid. B 6 deficiency is also associated with hardening of the tendons leading to carpel tunnel syndrome. Deficiencies of this heat-sensitive vitamin are widespread in America, partly because B 1 and B 2 added to white flour interfere with its proper use, and partly because it is destroyed during milk pasteurization. (Although pasteurization may help prevent foodborne illness, the process destroys nutrients.) Although McCulley's research has gained widespread, albeit grudging, recognition in the scientific community, it continues to lack appropriate funding and public recognition. 4. Vitamin C deficiency makes arterial walls more subject to inflammation and tearing. A diet rich in natural vitamin C complex helps maintain the integrity of both blood vessels and heart muscle. Vitamin C also plays a role in collagen synthesis, along with copper, through the enzyme lysyl oxidase. Deficiencies occur in diets that lack fresh fruits and vegetables. 5. Heart disease has been correlated with mineral deficiencies. Coronary heart disease rates are lower in regions where drinking water is naturally rich in trace minerals, particularly magnesium, which acts as a natural anti-coagulant and aids potassium absorption, thereby preventing heartbeat irregularities. Mineral-rich water and soil also supply iodine, needed for a healthy thyroid gland. People with poor thyroid function are very prone to heart disease. Calcium also plays a role in protecting the heart and arteries. Potassium helps maintain proper blood pressure. Traditional meat broths are rich in magnesium, potassium, calcium, and iodine. In America, these have largely been replaced by imitation broth products containing MSG and hydrolyzed protein. 6. The most important change in the American diet during the years of CHD increase has been the gradual substitution of vegetable fats for those of animal origin. Hydrogenated fats — in the form of margarine and shortening — have replaced butter and lard, while the consumption of vegetable oils has increased more than 10-fold. Since as early as 1956, a number of researchers have found that consumption of trans- fatty acids in hydrogenated oils contributes to heart disease, including most recently Mensink and Katan in the Netherlands, and Walter Willett at Harvard University. 7. An excess of vegetable oils, even when not hydrogenated, seems to play a role in causing heart disease because they cause an imbalance in the production of prostaglandins, localized tissue hormones that play a role in all of the body's complex chemical processes; and because industrially processed vegetable oils contain bee radicals that damage the arteries, thereby initiating plaque deposits. 8. Arterial plaque contains cholesterol because the body actually uses cholesterol to repair injuries, tears, and irritations to artery walls. However, like rancid vegetable oils, cholesterol that has been oxidized by high temperatures and exposure to air can itself irritate the arterial walls and initiate pathological buildup. High temperature spray production of powdered milk and eggs, used as additives in many processed foods, began in the early part of the century. Consumption of both hydrogenated fats and products containing oxidized cholesterol increased greatly after the war. 9. A recent study found that excess consumption of omega-6 fatty acids, the kind found in commercial vegetable oils made from corn, soy, safflower, and canola, increases the amount of oxidized cholesterol in the arterial plaque. Like sugar and white flour, these vegetable oils, produced by high temperature industrial processing, are new to the human diet. It is the polyunsaturated omega-6 fatty acids — not saturated fat — that form the major fat component of arterial plaque, yet for many years the American Heart Association and many establishment nutrition writers advocated consumption of polyunsaturated oils for the heart. 10. The role of vitamin D in protecting against heart disease has been neglected. Vitamin D is essential for the intestinal absorption of many minerals, but particularly calcium and magnesium. Vitamin D deficiency is associated with defective calcification of the bones and pathogenic calcification of the arteries. Synthetic vitamin D added to milk has the same effect as vitamin D deficiency — it causes abnormal calcification of the soft tissues, particularly the blood vessels. Our bodies can manufacture vitamin D from cholesterol by the action of sunlight on the skin, but natural dietary sources give added protection. Vitamin D is found only in animal fats. 11. Short- and medium-chain saturated fatty acids have anti-microbial effects and protect against the kind of viruses and bacteria that contribute to heart disease. Best sources of these helpful fats are the tropical oils, especially coconut oil, which have largely disappeared from the American food supply due to unfounded assertions that these healthy fats contribute to heart disease. 12. Caffeine in coffee causes the body to excrete calcium and stresses the adrenal glands, leading in some cases to general exhaustion, including exhaustion of the heart muscle. This theory has been subject to intense criticism. Detractors note that heavy coffee drinkers tent to indulge in a number of habits considered unhealthy by orthodox researchers — such as smoking and lack of exercise — as well as consumption of sugar and processed foods, leading to deficiencies not yet accepted by the medical establishment as being contributors to CHD. 13. Anti-oxidants such as beta-carotene, selenium, and vitamin E may protect us against damage from highly processed vegetable oils and oxidized cholesterol. Orthodox medicine has ignored or ridiculed vitamin E therapy for heart disease, pioneered by the Shute brothers, physicians in Canada, who found that 100 mg of natural vitamin E from wheat germ oil gave excellent long-term protection from coronary heart disease. Fresh fruits and vegetables supply beta-carotene and hundreds of other carotenoids; butter is a particularly rich source of selenium. 14. Other theories related to heart disease include lack of exercise, overweight, high blood pressure, smoking, and exposure to carbon monoxide gas. ------------------------------ Other good sources of reading to know the truth on this issue: THE CHOLESTEROL MYTH, by Thomas Moore: http://www.oralchelation.net/heartdisease/ChapterFive/page5g.htm The Cholesterol Myths by Uffe Ravnskov, M.D., Ph.D.: http://www.ravnskov.nu/myth1.htm The Oiling of America, by Mary Enig, Ph.D: http://www.westonaprice.org/facts_about_fats/oiling.html Regards, Brian Shilhavy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Hi Brian, You sound very healthy. How do you use coconut oil? Cooking? Salad? Pam --- Brian Shilhavy <brian wrote: > Gettingwell, " Greg Watson " > <gowatson@s...> wrote: > > - > > " Brian Shilhavy " <brian@s...> > > <Gettingwell> > > Friday, November 09, 2001 12:40 PM > > Re: coconut oil for weight > loss > > > > > > Hi Brian, > > > > I do know about medium chain saturated fats but > still consider a > moderate fat diet (< 20 % total fat) comprising of > > about 2 - 3 % saturated, ~ 5 % Omega 6 & 3 and 10 > - 12 % mono is > the healthiest you can currently get. > > Well, we would disagree on total fat intake. In > traditional cultures, > and even in the US more than 50 years ago, 50% of > one's caloric > intake as coming from fats was considered healthy. > As far as > percentages you mention and ratios, I don't believe > there is a one- > size fits all approach to this. > > > While coconut oil has some medium chain saturated > fats (which are > burnt instead of being stored) it also has heaps of > > the 16:0 & 18:0 chain saturated fats which are > very bad for you. > > > > No, this is simply not true. Coconut oil has only > around 10% C16 to > C18 fatty acid composition. And these chains are > naturally occuring > and not necessarily unhealthy for you. What it does > have " heaps " of > is lauric acid (C:12), with about 50%. The only > other place lauric > acid naturally occurs in nature in any kind of > abundance is in human > breast milk. It is lauric acid that promotes a > strong immune system, > and which is sadly missing now from the diet in the > US after the > vegetable oil industry started bad-mouthing the > tropical oils and > replacing them with unhealthy polyunsaturated, > hydrogenized vegetable > oils, mainly soy bean oil. > > I prefer to stick with the " natural " fats that have > been a part of > healthy diets for thousands of years, such as > coconut oil, olive oil, > and butter. The expeller pressed vegetable oils have > only been around > since just after WWII, and in my opinion are not > " natural. " Most of > what you buy in the store is either heavily > hydrogenated, chemically > refined, and/or rancid. They are best consumed in > their natural form > by eating the vegetables or nuts they come from, > because they don't > keep well on a shelf. > > Coconut oil on the other hand, if it is unrefined, > has a natural > shelf life of about 5 years before it will even hint > at going rancid, > due to its natural antioxidant properties. > > If coconut oil were trully unhealthy as the > vegetable oil industry > would have us believe, people in tropical climates > would dying off > right and left from heart disease. Such is not the > case however, at > least among those still eating a traditional diet. > Studies done in > the South Pacific back in the 1960s, where the daily > caloric intake > was about 60% saturated fat, mostly from coconut > products, found that > the people were NOT overweight, did NOT suffer from > heart disease, > diabetes, or cancer. It was only when they adopted a > western diet, > including vegetable oils, that these diseases > started showing up. > > I myself, along with my wife and three kids who live > with me here in > the Philippines, get over 50% of our caloric intake > from saturated > fat, including coconut oil, raw goat's milk, and > butter. I won't > touch vegetable oil: I avoid it like the plague. I > am 41, 5'7 " and > weight 125 lbs. My choleserol level is 160. > > Blessings, > > Brian Shilhavy > > > Find a job, post your resume. http://careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Gettingwell, Pamela Southall <southallp> wrote: > Hi Brian, > > You sound very healthy. How do you use coconut oil? > Cooking? Salad? > > Pam We use it in everything one normally uses oil or butter for. We can get butter here in the Philippines, but it is expensive because it is imported from New Zealand. The Filipinos are not dairy consumers. We use coconut oil for cooking, frying, salads, etc. It is solid under 76 degrees, so you would have a problem using it for salads in the US. We also put it on our skin for moisturizing, getting rid of dandruff, killing lice in the hair, etc. A while back I just ate it straight by the spoon, about 6-12 tablespoons a day, and it did a job on some parasites living inside me. Great stuff.... I use the Virgin stuff we make though, not the RBD commercial (refined, bleached, deodorized). You can get the Virgin off the coconut-info website here: www.coconut-info.com/purchase.htm I know that I will probably get criticized for promoting that, but I also know people will ask, and it really is a great oil made the traditional way right here in the Philippines. Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Brian Thank you for a fascinating and generous response to my post. You gave me much to think about. Since I suffer from angina, my concern over dietary fats is more than academic. I'm always on the lookout for non-invasive approaches to calcified arteries, hypertension and chest pain. These are stubborn conditions, and afflict tens of millions of people. Have you examined the Pauling/Rath theory heart disease causation, which prescribes megadoses of Vit. C, Lysine, Proline, and other nutrients, to combat the disease? Best wishes. John P. - " Brian Shilhavy " <brian Thursday, November 08, 2001 6:16 PM Re: coconut oil for weight loss Gettingwell, " John Polifronio " <counterpnt@e...> wrote: > Brian > You say you " ...won't touch vegetable oil. " What oils are you referring to? > Do you include olive, flax, borage, evening primrose, etc. in that category? Hi John, I am referring to consumption of oils in the diet, mainly in preperation of foods and cooking. As I stated, that does not include olive oil, which has a long history of use in healthy diets. Virgin olive oil, if it is not rancid, is a healthy oil. The other oils you mention are generally supplements, and may be needed according to the needs of the individual. I do take salmon oil as a supplement myself because of a lack of omega 3s in my diet for so many years while living in the US. > One of the most often heard arguments against a food as rich in saturated > fat as coconut, is that it contributes to the development of, and worsens > existing, cardiovascular disease. Heart disease, especially the gradual > clogging of coronary arteries, is an epidemic in our country. They're > finding arterial clogging in its early stages in a large percentage of > people in their twenties, and the percentages increase dramatically above > that age. > Dr. Dean Ornish is adamantly opposed to all oils, and would probably > strongly advise against the use of even the tiniest amount of coconut, or > any other oil. Have you acquainted yourself with his theories? He favors > diets for everyone, but especially heart patients, which include a " maximum " > of 10% total calories from fat of any kind. > John P. John, This is based on the lipid theory of heart disease which has little or no scientific backing. Most of what is currently propogated about the lipid theory of heart disease is based on 3 studies funded by the National Heart Lung and Blood Institute. You would be surprised to read the actual data from these studies, and whether they actually support this theory. But when you spend that much money on research, you want it to say what you expect it to say, so it is easy to manipuate the data. You can read about it here: http://www.coconut- info.com/diet_and_disease.htm So what does cause the thickening of the arteries and heart disease? According to the research of Sally Fallon and Dr. Mary Enig, here is their list (published in the above referenced article): ----------------- 1. In the 1940s and 1950s, researchers Yudkin and Lopez discovered a link between consumption of refined sugar and heart disease. Sugar consumption lowers the body's resistance to bacteria, viruses, and yeasts that may cause inflammation in both the heart and the arteries. Excess sugar leads to deficiencies in the entire B-vitamin complex, needed for healthy arteries. Ongoing research at the U.S. Department of Agriculture indicates that fructose may be even more dangerous than sugar. Fructose, mainly in the form of high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS), has become the sweetener of choice for soft drinks, condiments and many so-called health foods. 2. Also in the 1960s, a researcher named Annand discovered a correlation between the consumption of heated milk protein and a tendency to thrombosis - the formation of blood clots - and noted that the rise in coronary heart disease began in the 1920s with laws requiring milk pasteurization. 3. Researcher Kilmer McCulley has found a positive relationship between deficiencies in folic acid, B 6 and B l2 , and severity of hardening or stiffness of the arteries, as well as the buildup of pathogenic plaque. B 6 and B 12 are found almost exclusively in animal products - the very foods that proponents of the lipid hypothesis advise us to avoid. B 6 deficiency is also associated with hardening of the tendons leading to carpel tunnel syndrome. Deficiencies of this heat-sensitive vitamin are widespread in America, partly because B 1 and B 2 added to white flour interfere with its proper use, and partly because it is destroyed during milk pasteurization. (Although pasteurization may help prevent foodborne illness, the process destroys nutrients.) Although McCulley's research has gained widespread, albeit grudging, recognition in the scientific community, it continues to lack appropriate funding and public recognition. 4. Vitamin C deficiency makes arterial walls more subject to inflammation and tearing. A diet rich in natural vitamin C complex helps maintain the integrity of both blood vessels and heart muscle. Vitamin C also plays a role in collagen synthesis, along with copper, through the enzyme lysyl oxidase. Deficiencies occur in diets that lack fresh fruits and vegetables. 5. Heart disease has been correlated with mineral deficiencies. Coronary heart disease rates are lower in regions where drinking water is naturally rich in trace minerals, particularly magnesium, which acts as a natural anti-coagulant and aids potassium absorption, thereby preventing heartbeat irregularities. Mineral-rich water and soil also supply iodine, needed for a healthy thyroid gland. People with poor thyroid function are very prone to heart disease. Calcium also plays a role in protecting the heart and arteries. Potassium helps maintain proper blood pressure. Traditional meat broths are rich in magnesium, potassium, calcium, and iodine. In America, these have largely been replaced by imitation broth products containing MSG and hydrolyzed protein. 6. The most important change in the American diet during the years of CHD increase has been the gradual substitution of vegetable fats for those of animal origin. Hydrogenated fats - in the form of margarine and shortening - have replaced butter and lard, while the consumption of vegetable oils has increased more than 10-fold. Since as early as 1956, a number of researchers have found that consumption of trans- fatty acids in hydrogenated oils contributes to heart disease, including most recently Mensink and Katan in the Netherlands, and Walter Willett at Harvard University. 7. An excess of vegetable oils, even when not hydrogenated, seems to play a role in causing heart disease because they cause an imbalance in the production of prostaglandins, localized tissue hormones that play a role in all of the body's complex chemical processes; and because industrially processed vegetable oils contain bee radicals that damage the arteries, thereby initiating plaque deposits. 8. Arterial plaque contains cholesterol because the body actually uses cholesterol to repair injuries, tears, and irritations to artery walls. However, like rancid vegetable oils, cholesterol that has been oxidized by high temperatures and exposure to air can itself irritate the arterial walls and initiate pathological buildup. High temperature spray production of powdered milk and eggs, used as additives in many processed foods, began in the early part of the century. Consumption of both hydrogenated fats and products containing oxidized cholesterol increased greatly after the war. 9. A recent study found that excess consumption of omega-6 fatty acids, the kind found in commercial vegetable oils made from corn, soy, safflower, and canola, increases the amount of oxidized cholesterol in the arterial plaque. Like sugar and white flour, these vegetable oils, produced by high temperature industrial processing, are new to the human diet. It is the polyunsaturated omega-6 fatty acids - not saturated fat - that form the major fat component of arterial plaque, yet for many years the American Heart Association and many establishment nutrition writers advocated consumption of polyunsaturated oils for the heart. 10. The role of vitamin D in protecting against heart disease has been neglected. Vitamin D is essential for the intestinal absorption of many minerals, but particularly calcium and magnesium. Vitamin D deficiency is associated with defective calcification of the bones and pathogenic calcification of the arteries. Synthetic vitamin D added to milk has the same effect as vitamin D deficiency - it causes abnormal calcification of the soft tissues, particularly the blood vessels. Our bodies can manufacture vitamin D from cholesterol by the action of sunlight on the skin, but natural dietary sources give added protection. Vitamin D is found only in animal fats. 11. Short- and medium-chain saturated fatty acids have anti-microbial effects and protect against the kind of viruses and bacteria that contribute to heart disease. Best sources of these helpful fats are the tropical oils, especially coconut oil, which have largely disappeared from the American food supply due to unfounded assertions that these healthy fats contribute to heart disease. 12. Caffeine in coffee causes the body to excrete calcium and stresses the adrenal glands, leading in some cases to general exhaustion, including exhaustion of the heart muscle. This theory has been subject to intense criticism. Detractors note that heavy coffee drinkers tent to indulge in a number of habits considered unhealthy by orthodox researchers - such as smoking and lack of exercise - as well as consumption of sugar and processed foods, leading to deficiencies not yet accepted by the medical establishment as being contributors to CHD. 13. Anti-oxidants such as beta-carotene, selenium, and vitamin E may protect us against damage from highly processed vegetable oils and oxidized cholesterol. Orthodox medicine has ignored or ridiculed vitamin E therapy for heart disease, pioneered by the Shute brothers, physicians in Canada, who found that 100 mg of natural vitamin E from wheat germ oil gave excellent long-term protection from coronary heart disease. Fresh fruits and vegetables supply beta-carotene and hundreds of other carotenoids; butter is a particularly rich source of selenium. 14. Other theories related to heart disease include lack of exercise, overweight, high blood pressure, smoking, and exposure to carbon monoxide gas. ------------------------------ Other good sources of reading to know the truth on this issue: THE CHOLESTEROL MYTH, by Thomas Moore: http://www.oralchelation.net/heartdisease/ChapterFive/page5g.htm The Cholesterol Myths by Uffe Ravnskov, M.D., Ph.D.: http://www.ravnskov.nu/myth1.htm The Oiling of America, by Mary Enig, Ph.D: http://www.westonaprice.org/facts_about_fats/oiling.html Regards, Brian Shilhavy Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health and well being. To learn more about the Gettingwell group, Subscription and list archives are at: Gettingwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Gettingwell, " John Polifronio " <counterpnt@e...> wrote: > Brian > Thank you for a fascinating and generous response to my post. You gave me > much to think about. > Since I suffer from angina, my concern over dietary fats is more than > academic. I'm always on the lookout for non-invasive approaches to > calcified arteries, hypertension and chest pain. These are stubborn > conditions, and afflict tens of millions of people. > Have you examined the Pauling/Rath theory heart disease causation, which > prescribes megadoses of Vit. C, Lysine, Proline, and other nutrients, to > combat the disease? Hi John, I am familiar with Pauling and his research, but I would not say that I have " examined " it. I trust you can find some good info and help here on this list and in other places. God Bless, Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 Hi there I have been trying for ages to get coconut oil, but cannot. I do not want to order it from America, as it is so expensive. Does anyone know where I could get some from that is not to expensive. I live in New Zealand. Thanks Tracy - " Brian Shilhavy " <brian Friday, 9 November 2001 15:10 Re: coconut oil for weight loss > Greg, > > I would not consider canola oil a healthy oil. All the commercial brands I > am aware of are hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated, and can contain up > to 50% trans fats, which are the real killers when it comes to commercial > fats. > > Also, saturated fat has gotten a bad rap in recent history, and is not a bad > fat at all if it comes from a healthy source, like Virgin Coconut oil. A > good place to read about the truth on fats is here: > http://www.westonaprice.org/facts_about_fats/facts_about_fats.html > > As far as weight loss, coconut oil is the best in this regard because it is > not processed in the body like other fats, and actually increases one's > metabolism. Again, you can read the research here: > http://www.coconut-info.com/weight-loss.htm This article is very well > documented by sound research. > > Brian Shilhavy > http://www.coconut-info.com > http://www.philippineherbs.com/peace.htm > > > Message: 1 > > Fri, 9 Nov 2001 07:00:26 +1030 > > " Greg Watson " <gowatson > > Re: coconut oil for weight loss > > > > - > > " Brian Shilhavy " <brian > > > > Thursday, November 08, 2001 5:11 PM > > Re: coconut oil for weight loss > > > > > > > Try Virgin Coconut Oil. Many on our list (coconut-info.com) have started > > > losing a pound or more a week just by switching to coconut oil. Read the > > > research here: http://www.coconut-info.com/weight-loss.htm > > > > Hi Brian, > > > > With respect I suggest canola oil enriched with Omega 3 LNA is even > better. > > > > 1) Low Saturated fat > > > > 2) Rich in Monounsaturated > > > > 3) Rich in Omega 3 LNA > > > > 4) No transaturated. > > > > You might find this chart of various oils and their fat breakdown to be of > value: > > http://www.freshhempfoods.com/nutrition/comp-table.html > > > > Greg Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > Subscription and list archives are at: > Gettingwell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2001 Report Share Posted November 9, 2001 - " John Polifronio " <counterpnt Friday, November 09, 2001 12:16 PM Re: Re: coconut oil for weight loss > Brian > You say you " ...won't touch vegetable oil. " What oils are you referring to? I assume veggie oils rich in Omega 6 linoliec acid (LA)? > Do you include olive, flax, borage, evening primrose, etc. in that category? > One of the most often heard arguments against a food as rich in saturated > fat as coconut, is that it contributes to the development of, and worsens > existing, cardiovascular disease. Heart disease, especially the gradual > clogging of coronary arteries, is an epidemic in our country. Two big factors, 1) Too much saturated fat, needing too much cholesterol to put spaces between tightly packed saturated fatty acids in the membranes. 2) Too much Omega 6 LA, altering cellular eicosanoid production toward a more proinflammatory body. > They're > finding arterial clogging in its early stages in a large percentage of > people in their twenties, and the percentages increase dramatically above > that age. > Dr. Dean Ornish is adamantly opposed to all oils, and would probably > strongly advise against the use of even the tiniest amount of coconut, or > any other oil. Have you acquainted yourself with his theories? He favors > diets for everyone, but especially heart patients, which include a " maximum " > of 10% total calories from fat of any kind. Hi John, While I agree with a low fat diet, rich in mono and targeted Omegas, 10 % is too low. Every day your body replaced about 8 billion cells and the cell membrane is made of fatty acids. Eat a diet with rich in carbs and the body will convert some of the carbs into saturated fat. Cells with membranes rich in saturated fat need cholesterol to pack out spaces between the fats and hence you may be making your body make more cholesterol than you really need. However if you swap some of the carb calories for targeted fat, you can control the types and amounts of fats in your membranes. The more double bonds the more the fatty acid curls and naturally packs less dense and the cell membrane need less cholesterol. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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