Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 (Wayne, please note, these comments you are attributing to me were actually made by member Thomas Smith but, were written to me.. Frank. Evening Frank, At 06:42 AM 11/06/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Frank, >Colloidal silver is one product that I would not take internally. I am >willing to try almost anything if I am satisfied that it will do no harm, I >have not been convinced about CS. Are you basing this on hear-say evidence or on your first hand experience/ Here is some first hand experience. I have been using and taking CS internally for about 2 years. The first batch I made, I drank the full 16 ounces. Recently, ( and about 1 year ago ) I had a bad case of ringworm. On the case 1 year ago, I could not sleep the itch was so bad. I would try a number of ointment, ect, and would have to get out of bed, wash them off, and apply CS to stop the itching. After a few nights of this routing, I decided to try a full 16 ounces. About 10 hours after the ingestion of the 16 ounces, the itch stopped completely, the red spots gradually disappered to never itch again. ( until recently, and not that case is 80% better ) I work in the garden a lot, plant by hand, ect. Unless I am getting this from the soil or my dog, I don't know where it comes from. > Silver is a heavy metal and no matter how >small you break it down there is still going to be a residual effect in the >body similar to mercury poisoning. I have heard of cases where the skin >turned gray permanently, this is a risk that I'm not willing to take. The " some " your reference is ONE. Her name is Rosemary Jacobs. And..... it was not from Colloidal Silver. She is still alive and well, except for her color. I think recently she has some other diesease. This happened while under the careful treatment and supervision of a certified Doctor. This speaks well for them. > I do >use CS in the eyes occasionally and externally for insect bites but I think >people should be cautious with this product. Several of my friends have cured an eye infection with CS. I removed a large mole from the corner of one eye with CS. It took about 3 weeks, and it just " Fell OFF " . >This is just my opinion and I can't prove one way or the other whether >this stuff is safe. " Safe and Effective " is only defined by the FDA. And of course you know what that means. If it does not kill over 5 % of the subjects, then it is highly effective and safe. You could consider how many hundred of thousands of people that are using CS as a " unbiased test " . Likely the number is a few million. This goes back a number of years. You could use a new unit " man years " to plug into your formula for calculating your definition of " safe and effective " . >, I just don't >want to find out 20 years down the road that its bad for you. I got a laugh out of that one. 20 years from now, I don't care what color I am, if I am lucky enough to be alive and healthy. You can always visit " quackwatch " to find proof for your ideas no matter what they are. However, beware of many of the articles on quackwatch. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 Wayne, I have nothing to do with this dude on QuackWatch. My opinion on Colloidal Silver is just that my personal opinion. I have nothing to base the fear on except the fact that silver is a heavy metal, I would not want this building up in my body just as I wouldn't want Gold, Platinum, Palladium or aluminum. Tom Wayne Fugitt [wayne] Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:09 PM Gettingwell Two Sides of the Coin ( CS ) (Wayne, please note, these comments you are attributing to me were actually made by member Thomas Smith but, were written to me.. Frank. Evening Frank, At 06:42 AM 11/06/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Frank, >Colloidal silver is one product that I would not take internally. I am >willing to try almost anything if I am satisfied that it will do no harm, I >have not been convinced about CS. Are you basing this on hear-say evidence or on your first hand experience/ Here is some first hand experience. I have been using and taking CS internally for about 2 years. The first batch I made, I drank the full 16 ounces. Recently, ( and about 1 year ago ) I had a bad case of ringworm. On the case 1 year ago, I could not sleep the itch was so bad. I would try a number of ointment, ect, and would have to get out of bed, wash them off, and apply CS to stop the itching. After a few nights of this routing, I decided to try a full 16 ounces. About 10 hours after the ingestion of the 16 ounces, the itch stopped completely, the red spots gradually disappered to never itch again. ( until recently, and not that case is 80% better ) I work in the garden a lot, plant by hand, ect. Unless I am getting this from the soil or my dog, I don't know where it comes from. > Silver is a heavy metal and no matter how >small you break it down there is still going to be a residual effect in the >body similar to mercury poisoning. I have heard of cases where the skin >turned gray permanently, this is a risk that I'm not willing to take. The " some " your reference is ONE. Her name is Rosemary Jacobs. And..... it was not from Colloidal Silver. She is still alive and well, except for her color. I think recently she has some other diesease. This happened while under the careful treatment and supervision of a certified Doctor. This speaks well for them. > I do >use CS in the eyes occasionally and externally for insect bites but I think >people should be cautious with this product. Several of my friends have cured an eye infection with CS. I removed a large mole from the corner of one eye with CS. It took about 3 weeks, and it just " Fell OFF " . >This is just my opinion and I can't prove one way or the other whether >this stuff is safe. " Safe and Effective " is only defined by the FDA. And of course you know what that means. If it does not kill over 5 % of the subjects, then it is highly effective and safe. You could consider how many hundred of thousands of people that are using CS as a " unbiased test " . Likely the number is a few million. This goes back a number of years. You could use a new unit " man years " to plug into your formula for calculating your definition of " safe and effective " . >, I just don't >want to find out 20 years down the road that its bad for you. I got a laugh out of that one. 20 years from now, I don't care what color I am, if I am lucky enough to be alive and healthy. You can always visit " quackwatch " to find proof for your ideas no matter what they are. However, beware of many of the articles on quackwatch. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 Hi Tom, To read Roger Altman's study of colloidal silver buildup: http://silverdata.20m.com/altmanstudy.html _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > Thomas Smith > 11/6/2001 3:30:09 PM > Gettingwell > RE: Two Sides of the Coin ( CS ) > > Wayne, > I have nothing to do with this dude on QuackWatch. My opinion on Colloidal > Silver is just that my personal opinion. I have nothing to base the fear on > except the fact that silver is a heavy metal, I would not want this building > up in my body just as I wouldn't want Gold, Platinum, Palladium or aluminum. > > Tom > > Wayne Fugitt [wayne] > Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:09 PM > Gettingwell > Two Sides of the Coin ( CS ) > > > (Wayne, please note, these comments you are attributing to me were > actually made by member Thomas Smith but, were written to me.. > Frank. > > > > Evening Frank, > > At 06:42 AM 11/06/2001 -0600, you wrote: > >Frank, > >Colloidal silver is one product that I would not take internally. I am > >willing to try almost anything if I am satisfied that it will do no harm, > I > >have not been convinced about CS. > > Are you basing this on hear-say evidence or on your first hand > experience/ > > Here is some first hand experience. > > I have been using and taking CS internally for about 2 years. The first > batch I made, I drank the full 16 ounces. > > Recently, ( and about 1 year ago ) I had a bad case of ringworm. On > the > case 1 year ago, I could not sleep the itch was so bad. I would try a > number of ointment, ect, and would have to get out of bed, wash them off, > and apply CS to stop the itching. > > After a few nights of this routing, I decided to try a full 16 > ounces. About 10 hours after the ingestion of the 16 ounces, the itch > stopped completely, the red spots gradually disappered to never itch > again. > ( until recently, and not that case is 80% better ) > > I work in the garden a lot, plant by hand, ect. Unless I am getting > this from the soil or my dog, I don't know where it comes from. > > > Silver is a heavy metal and no matter how > >small you break it down there is still going to be a residual effect in > the > >body similar to mercury poisoning. I have heard of cases where the skin > >turned gray permanently, this is a risk that I'm not willing to take. > > The " some " your reference is ONE. Her name is Rosemary > Jacobs. And..... it was not from Colloidal Silver. > She is still alive and well, except for her color. I think recently she > has some other diesease. > > This happened while under the careful treatment and supervision of a > certified Doctor. This speaks well for them. > > > I do > >use CS in the eyes occasionally and externally for insect bites but I > think > >people should be cautious with this product. > > Several of my friends have cured an eye infection with CS. I removed > a > large mole from the corner of one eye with > CS. It took about 3 weeks, and it just " Fell OFF " . > > >This is just my opinion and I can't prove one way or the other whether > >this stuff is safe. > > " Safe and Effective " is only defined by the FDA. And of course you > know > what that means. If it does not kill over > 5 % of the subjects, then it is highly effective and safe. > > You could consider how many hundred of thousands of people that are > using CS as a " unbiased test " . > Likely the number is a few million. This goes back a number of > years. You could use a new unit " man years " to plug into your formula > for calculating your definition of " safe and effective " . > > >, I just don't > >want to find out 20 years down the road that its bad for you. > > I got a laugh out of that one. 20 years from now, I don't care what > color I am, if I am lucky enough to be alive and healthy. > > You can always visit " quackwatch " to find proof for your ideas no > matter > what they are. > > However, beware of many of the articles on quackwatch. > > Wayne > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 Documented Medical Journal Reports of Colloidal Silver Research The following is a list of (100+) documented Medical Journal reports of uses of silver for the treatment of various conditions, diseases and pathogens: Anthrax Bacilli [2, 3] Appendicitis (post-op) [3] Axillae and Blind Boils of the Neck [10] B. Coli [2] B. Coli Communis [7] B. Dysenteria [2] B. Pyocaneus [2] B. Tuberculosis [7] Bacillary Dysentery [4] Bladder Irritation [12] Blepharitis [13] Boils [10] Bromidrosis in Axille [12] Bromidrosis in Feet [10] Burns and Wounds of the Cornea [13] Cerebro-spinal Meningitis [3, 9] Chronic Cystitis [10] Chronic Eczema of Anterior Nares [10] Chronic Eczema of Metus of Ear [10 Colitis [4]; Cystitis [8] Dacrocystitis [13] Dermatitis suggestive of Toxaemia [4] Diarrhoea [4]; Diptheria [3] Dysentery [3,6] Ear " Affections " [5] Enlarged Prostate [12] Epiditymitis [10]; Erysipelas [3] Eustachian Tubes (potency restored) [8] Follicular Tonsilittis [10] Furunculosis [3]; Gonococcus [7] Gonorrhoea [10] Gonorrhoeal Conjunctivitis [10] Gonorrhoeal Opthalmia [13] Gonorrhoeal Prostatic Gleet [11] Haemorrhoids [12] Hypopyon Ulcer [13] Impetigo [10 Infantile Disease [16] Infected Ulcers of the Cornea [13] Inflammatory Rheumatism [3] Influenza [11] Interstitial Keratitis [13] Intestinal troubles [6] Lesion Healing [12] Leucorrhoea [8] Menier's Symptoms [8] Nasal Catarrh [5] Nasopharyngeal Catarrh (reduced) [8] Oedematous enlargement of Turbinates without True Hyperplasia [9] Offensive Discharge of Chronic Supporation in Otitis Media [10] Ophthalmology [12] Ophthalmic practices [5] Para-Typhoid [3] Paramecium [1] Perineal Eczema [12] Phlegmons [3] Phlyctenular Conjunctivitis [10] Pneumococci [2] Pruritis Ani [12] Puerperal Septicaemia [15] Purulent Opthalmia of Infants [13] Pustular Eczema of Scalp [10] Pyorrhoea Alveolaris (Rigg's Disease) [8] Quinsies [8]; Rhinitis [9] Ringworm of the body [10] Scarlatina [3]; Sepsis [16] Septic Tonsillitis [10] Septic Ulcers of the legs [10] Septicaemia [5, 8] Shingles [8]; Soft Sores [10] Spring Catarrh [10]; Sprue [6] Staphyloclysin (inhibits) [2] Staphylococcus Pyogenea [7] Staphylococcus Pyogens Albus [2] Staphylococcus Pyogens Aureus [2] Streptococci [7] Subdues Inflammation [12] Suppurative Appendicitis (post-op) [10] Tinea Versicolor [10] Tonsillitis [8] Typhoid [3] Typhoid Bacillus [14] Ulcerative Urticaria [4] Urticaria suggestive of Toxaemia [12] Valsava's Inflammation [8] Vincent's Angina [10] Vorticella [1] Warts [12] Whooping Cough [8] More recent articles have described silver being used to treat: Adenovirus [5, 23] Asper Gillus Niger [18] Bacillius Typhosus [21] Bovine Rotavirus [23] Candida Albicans [18] Endamoeba Histolytica (Cysts) [24] Escherichia Coli [17, 18, 21] Legionella Pneumophilia [17] Poliovirus 1 (Sabin Strain) [23] Pseudomonas Aeruginosa [17, 18] Salmonella [22] Spore-Forming Bacteria [24] Staphylococcus Aureus [17] Streptococcus Faecalis [17] Vegetative B. Cereus Cells [24] Bibliographic Footnotes: Bechhold, H. " Colloids in biology and medicine " , translated by J.G.M. Bullow., D. Van Nostrand Company, New York, 1919, p. 367. Ibid., p. 368. 3. Ibid., p. 376. Searle, A.B. " The use of colloids in health and disease " . (Quoting from the British Medical Journal, May 12, 1917) E.P. Dutton & Company: New York, 1919, p. 82. Ibid., (Quoting from the British Medical Journal, Jan. 15, 1917) p. 83. Ibid., (Quoting Sir James Cantlie in the British Medical Journal, Nov 15, 1913) p. 83. Ibid., (Qouting Henry Crookes) p. 70. Ibid., (Quoting J. Mark Hovell in the British Medical Journal, Dec. 15, 1917) p. 86. Ibid., (Quoting B. Seymour Jones) p. 86. Ibid., (Quoting C.E.A. MacLeod in Lancet, Feb. 3, 1912) p. 83. Ibid., (Quoting J. MacMunn in the British Medical Journal, 1917, I, 685) p. 86. Ibid., (Quoting Sir Malcolm Morris in the British Medical Journal, May 12, 1917) p. 85. Ibid., (Quoting A. Legge Roe in the British Medical Journal, Jan 16, 1915) p. 83. Ibid., (Quoting W.J. Simpson in Lancet, Dec. 12, 1914) pp. 71-72. Ibid., (Quoting T.H. Anderson Wells in Lancet, Feb. 16, 1918) p. 85. " Index-Catalogue of the Library of the Surgeon General's Office United States Army. " United States Government Printing Office: Washington, v. IX, 1913, p. 628. Moyasar, T.Y.; Landeen, L.K.; Messina, M. C.; Kutz, S.M.; and Gerba, C.P. " Disinfection of bacteria in water systems by using electrolytically generated copper, silver and reduced levels of free chlorine " . Found in Canadian Journal of Microbiology. The National Research Council of Canada: Ottawa, Ont., Canada, 1919, pp. 109-116. Simonetti, N.; Simonetti, G.; Bougnol, F.; and Scalzo, M. " Electrochemical Ag+ for preservative use " . Article in Applied and Environmental Microbiology. American Society for Microbiology: Washington, v. 58, 12, 1992, pp. 3834- 3836. Slawson, R.M.; Van Dyke, M.I.; Lee, H.; and Trevors, J.T. " Germanium and silver resistance, accumulation, and toxicity in microorganisms " . Article found in Plasmid. Academic Press, Inc.: San Diego, v.27, 1, 1992, 73-79. Thurman, R.B. and Gerba, C.P. " The molecular mechanisms of copper and silver ion disinfection of bacteria and viruses " . A paper presented in the First International Conference on Gold and Silver in Medicine. The Silver Institute: Washington, v. 18, 4, 1989, p. 295. Ibid., p. 299. 22. Ibid., p. 299 23. Ibid., p. 300. Ibid., p. 301. 25. Ibid., p. 302. H.E.L.P. ful news, Vol. 9, No. 12., pp. 1-3 - " Thomas Smith " <heelpin Tuesday, November 06, 2001 3:30 PM RE: Two Sides of the Coin ( CS ) > Wayne, > I have nothing to do with this dude on QuackWatch. My opinion on Colloidal > Silver is just that my personal opinion. I have nothing to base the fear on > except the fact that silver is a heavy metal, I would not want this building > up in my body just as I wouldn't want Gold, Platinum, Palladium or aluminum. > > Tom > > Wayne Fugitt [wayne] > Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:09 PM > Gettingwell > Two Sides of the Coin ( CS ) > > > (Wayne, please note, these comments you are attributing to me were > actually made by member Thomas Smith but, were written to me.. > Frank. > > > > Evening Frank, > > At 06:42 AM 11/06/2001 -0600, you wrote: > >Frank, > >Colloidal silver is one product that I would not take internally. I am > >willing to try almost anything if I am satisfied that it will do no harm, > I > >have not been convinced about CS. > > Are you basing this on hear-say evidence or on your first hand > experience/ > > Here is some first hand experience. > > I have been using and taking CS internally for about 2 years. The first > batch I made, I drank the full 16 ounces. > > Recently, ( and about 1 year ago ) I had a bad case of ringworm. On > the > case 1 year ago, I could not sleep the itch was so bad. I would try a > number of ointment, ect, and would have to get out of bed, wash them off, > and apply CS to stop the itching. > > After a few nights of this routing, I decided to try a full 16 > ounces. About 10 hours after the ingestion of the 16 ounces, the itch > stopped completely, the red spots gradually disappered to never itch > again. > ( until recently, and not that case is 80% better ) > > I work in the garden a lot, plant by hand, ect. Unless I am getting > this from the soil or my dog, I don't know where it comes from. > > > Silver is a heavy metal and no matter how > >small you break it down there is still going to be a residual effect in > the > >body similar to mercury poisoning. I have heard of cases where the skin > >turned gray permanently, this is a risk that I'm not willing to take. > > The " some " your reference is ONE. Her name is Rosemary > Jacobs. And..... it was not from Colloidal Silver. > She is still alive and well, except for her color. I think recently she > has some other diesease. > > This happened while under the careful treatment and supervision of a > certified Doctor. This speaks well for them. > > > I do > >use CS in the eyes occasionally and externally for insect bites but I > think > >people should be cautious with this product. > > Several of my friends have cured an eye infection with CS. I removed > a > large mole from the corner of one eye with > CS. It took about 3 weeks, and it just " Fell OFF " . > > >This is just my opinion and I can't prove one way or the other whether > >this stuff is safe. > > " Safe and Effective " is only defined by the FDA. And of course you > know > what that means. If it does not kill over > 5 % of the subjects, then it is highly effective and safe. > > You could consider how many hundred of thousands of people that are > using CS as a " unbiased test " . > Likely the number is a few million. This goes back a number of > years. You could use a new unit " man years " to plug into your formula > for calculating your definition of " safe and effective " . > > >, I just don't > >want to find out 20 years down the road that its bad for you. > > I got a laugh out of that one. 20 years from now, I don't care what > color I am, if I am lucky enough to be alive and healthy. > > You can always visit " quackwatch " to find proof for your ideas no > matter > what they are. > > However, beware of many of the articles on quackwatch. > > Wayne > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 Hi Thomas Firstly Silver is not a heavy metal. You drink silver and eat it everyday in its natural form, as it is in your food and your water. Silver Oxide is what has commonly given CS its bad name, plus the " blue lady " that most know about, but she can't quite remember what form of silver she had - how convenient. The problem is that she is rubbishing CS and putting everyone off it, when she probably ingested silver oxide or silver nitrate over a long period of time, which caused her arygaria. I use CS, have done for years, and I also belong to a CS list, and their are very professional people on it, who have done studies on CS. I don't take it with other minerals, or Vitamins, as it could inhibit absorption of the vitamins etc. It also uses the same pathways as copper and selenium, but I have never had a deficiency in myself or my kids of these two minerals. I find that between Olive Leaf and CS, we get very few colds, and if we do, they do not amount to anything much. Unlike my kids peers, who seems to get infections and secondary infections and use antibiotics for them. I am very grateful that I found CS. However, I do not find that it does much for my candida, as it does not reach into the intestines, but gets absorbed through the stomach. Hope this helps, don't be put off, but investigate more. Tracy - " Thomas Smith " <heelpin Wednesday, 7 November 2001 10:30 RE: Two Sides of the Coin ( CS ) > Wayne, > I have nothing to do with this dude on QuackWatch. My opinion on Colloidal > Silver is just that my personal opinion. I have nothing to base the fear on > except the fact that silver is a heavy metal, I would not want this building > up in my body just as I wouldn't want Gold, Platinum, Palladium or aluminum. > > Tom > > Wayne Fugitt [wayne] > Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:09 PM > Gettingwell > Two Sides of the Coin ( CS ) > > > (Wayne, please note, these comments you are attributing to me were > actually made by member Thomas Smith but, were written to me.. > Frank. > > > > Evening Frank, > > At 06:42 AM 11/06/2001 -0600, you wrote: > >Frank, > >Colloidal silver is one product that I would not take internally. I am > >willing to try almost anything if I am satisfied that it will do no harm, > I > >have not been convinced about CS. > > Are you basing this on hear-say evidence or on your first hand > experience/ > > Here is some first hand experience. > > I have been using and taking CS internally for about 2 years. The first > batch I made, I drank the full 16 ounces. > > Recently, ( and about 1 year ago ) I had a bad case of ringworm. On > the > case 1 year ago, I could not sleep the itch was so bad. I would try a > number of ointment, ect, and would have to get out of bed, wash them off, > and apply CS to stop the itching. > > After a few nights of this routing, I decided to try a full 16 > ounces. About 10 hours after the ingestion of the 16 ounces, the itch > stopped completely, the red spots gradually disappered to never itch > again. > ( until recently, and not that case is 80% better ) > > I work in the garden a lot, plant by hand, ect. Unless I am getting > this from the soil or my dog, I don't know where it comes from. > > > Silver is a heavy metal and no matter how > >small you break it down there is still going to be a residual effect in > the > >body similar to mercury poisoning. I have heard of cases where the skin > >turned gray permanently, this is a risk that I'm not willing to take. > > The " some " your reference is ONE. Her name is Rosemary > Jacobs. And..... it was not from Colloidal Silver. > She is still alive and well, except for her color. I think recently she > has some other diesease. > > This happened while under the careful treatment and supervision of a > certified Doctor. This speaks well for them. > > > I do > >use CS in the eyes occasionally and externally for insect bites but I > think > >people should be cautious with this product. > > Several of my friends have cured an eye infection with CS. I removed > a > large mole from the corner of one eye with > CS. It took about 3 weeks, and it just " Fell OFF " . > > >This is just my opinion and I can't prove one way or the other whether > >this stuff is safe. > > " Safe and Effective " is only defined by the FDA. And of course you > know > what that means. If it does not kill over > 5 % of the subjects, then it is highly effective and safe. > > You could consider how many hundred of thousands of people that are > using CS as a " unbiased test " . > Likely the number is a few million. This goes back a number of > years. You could use a new unit " man years " to plug into your formula > for calculating your definition of " safe and effective " . > > >, I just don't > >want to find out 20 years down the road that its bad for you. > > I got a laugh out of that one. 20 years from now, I don't care what > color I am, if I am lucky enough to be alive and healthy. > > You can always visit " quackwatch " to find proof for your ideas no > matter > what they are. > > However, beware of many of the articles on quackwatch. > > Wayne > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 I use CS, have done for years, and I also belong to a CS lis addy, please? -- Dr. Ann...living in Maine family therapist, retired animal conversationalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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