Guest guest Posted October 21, 2000 Report Share Posted October 21, 2000 Todd Wrote: Personally, I will not treat patients who insist that I modify my formulae based upon so-called intolerances, unless they have been determined by valid reproducible testing methods (which means no patients waving pendulums in my pharmacy!). What methods for determining food intolerance (as opposed to allergies) have been validated as accurate and reproducible? Stephen Saturday, October 21, 2000 1:43 PM Re: food intolerances and herbs Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2000 Report Share Posted October 22, 2000 What methods for determining food intolerance (as opposed to allergies) havebeen validated as accurate and reproducible?Stephen>>>Blind challenge is the only expectable way alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2000 Report Share Posted October 22, 2000 , stephen@b... wrote: > > What methods for determining food intolerance (as opposed to allergies) have > been validated as accurate and reproducible? > Stephen > > none, as far as I know. and several have definitely been shown to be inaccurate and unreproducible in controlled studies, such as muscle testing and vegatesting. I'll try and find the citation for this. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2000 Report Share Posted October 22, 2000 Anecdotal, but an MD client of mine who works at Canyon Ranch doing alternative med. said they did some informal result testing and sent the same saliva sample (same person, same collection time) to several labs who do saliva testing for food allergies (Great Smokies etc.) and they all came back with different results. Catherine - Sunday, October 22, 2000 10:24 AM Re: food intolerance , stephen@b... wrote:> > What methods for determining food intolerance (as opposed toallergies) have> been validated as accurate and reproducible?> Stephen> > none, as far as I know. and several have definitely been shown to be inaccurate and unreproducible in controlled studies, such as muscle testing and vegatesting. I'll try and find the citation for this.> Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2000 Report Share Posted October 22, 2000 et al., What about the pioneering work of determining (degrees of) food sensitivities being done by Great Smokies Lab? Were you to send in patient samples for testing at this lab, would you not consider the results valid? Beverly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2000 Report Share Posted October 23, 2000 > What methods for determining food intolerance (as opposed to allergies) have been validated as accurate and reproducible? none, as far as I know. and several have definitely been shown to be inaccurate and unreproducible in controlled studies, such as muscle testing and vegatesting. I'll try and find the citation for this. Thanks for sourcing all those articles. I have some thoughts on this issue but don't have time to respond right now. I'll get back to you. Stephen Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2000 Report Share Posted October 23, 2000 Anecdotal, but an MD client of mine who works at Canyon Ranch doing alternative med. said they did some informal result testing and sent the same saliva sample (same person, same collection time) to several labs who do saliva testing for food allergies (Great Smokies etc.) and they all came back with different results >>>>Are you sure its saliva alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2000 Report Share Posted October 24, 2000 No, I'm not sure. It was the whatever is used in the standard allergy testing from Great Smokies and several labs which offer similar service. Catherine - alonmarcus Monday, October 23, 2000 10:01 PM Re: Re: food intolerance Anecdotal, but an MD client of mine who works at Canyon Ranch doing alternative med. said they did some informal result testing and sent the same saliva sample (same person, same collection time) to several labs who do saliva testing for food allergies (Great Smokies etc.) and they all came back with different results >>>>Are you sure its saliva alonChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2000 Report Share Posted October 25, 2000 > What methods for determining food intolerance (as opposed to allergies) have been validated as accurate and reproducible? > Stephen > > none, as far as I know. and several have definitely been shown to be inaccurate and unreproducible in controlled studies, such as muscle testing and vegatesting. I'll try and find the citation for this. > Current Response: In my opinion the articles you sent don't provide any " definate " conclusions as to the potential for accurate and reproducible information from the various methods evaluated by those studies. I have been told more than once about studies in China where several experienced TCM doctors assessed the pulses of the same individuals and came to different conclusions. Yet that doesn't make pulse diagnosis inaccurate and unreproducible. If practitioners of medical arts are to be limited to gaining only the information from patients that is consistently accurate and reproducible by others then we would have to turn off intuition, judgement, and most sense perception in our diagnostic process. If a patient truely has food intolerances and there is no method proven to be consistently accurate and reproducible for their determination, then it makes sense to use whatever tools to which they best relate in assisting them connect with their intuition, subconcious, or whatever, that can be used as one of several points of reference to make those decisions about what to ingest. Only by repeatedly using those tools can that subjective feedback process evolve into something that is closer to consistent accuracy and reproducibility. Stephen Morrissey OMD Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2000 Report Share Posted October 25, 2000 No, I'm not sure. It was the whatever is used in the standard allergy testing from Great Smokies and several labs which offer similar service. >>>they use serum which may be of some help, however is not consistent and false positives and negatives are common. alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2000 Report Share Posted October 25, 2000 If a patient truely has foodintolerances and there is no method proven to be consistently accurate andreproducible for their determination, then it makes sense to use whatevertools to which they best relate in assisting them connect with theirintuition >>>>There is a proven method its called blind challenge. After an elimination diet you give the food in capsule form so that the patient does not know what it is alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Is dairy or gluten making you sick? - Joy Bauer's Food Cures - Today.msnbc.com http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/35065625/ns/today-today_health/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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