Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 Hi Diane! Oh, I go right ahead and say " heat in the UB " and immediately go on to explain that " heat in the UB " is Traditional terminology which is not the same as the Western Medicine concept of heat or urinary bladder, but rather refers to an imbalance in the energy that the Chinese Doctors traditionally associate with the Urinary Bladder and its Meridian. At 10:00 AM 3/22/2004, you wrote:<snip> If I started telling them about heat in the UB, their eyes would only roll back in their heads. >Diane Bryson<snip> Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 - " sherry bakko " <sbakko <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:01 PM [Chinese Traditional Medicine] acupuncture and cancer > > I am wondering what the feelings are regarding doing acupuncture on a > person who has cancer - is it a good idea? I have heard/been told that > acupuncture should not be given when cancer is involved - it causes the > cancer to spread or grow faster. Thoughts? TIA > > Don't Worry - Be Happy > Sherry Speaking of cancer since it is a mass of renegade cells, would it be considered yang? I was wondering just this the other day. Are masses of tissue yang and fluid conditions yin ? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Hi Sherry! " I have heard/been told that acupuncture should not be given when cancer is involved - it causes the cancer to spread or grow faster. " That is a bunch of unmitigated poop. More seriously, that is a claim without any backing in research, physiology or clinical experience. Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org ________________________________ sherry bakko <sbakko Chinese Traditional Medicine Saturday, 1 November, 2008 19:01:54 [Chinese Traditional Medicine] acupuncture and cancer I am wondering what the feelings are regarding doing acupuncture on a person who has cancer - is it a good idea? I have heard/been told that acupuncture should not be given when cancer is involved - it causes the cancer to spread or grow faster. Thoughts? TIA Don't Worry - Be Happy Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 sherry bakko wrote: > I am wondering what the feelings are regarding doing acupuncture on a > person who has cancer - is it a good idea? I have heard/been told that > acupuncture should not be given when cancer is involved - it causes the > cancer to spread or grow faster. Thoughts? TIA > Don't Worry - Be Happy > Sherry MT: We were told not to needle in that area. For instance, one patient had had cancer in her right arm. We would not needle there. One thing you can do is needle the other side, as those meridians are bilateral. But we were told that you don't want to needle that area, because if the cancer is growing back, puncturing it could cause it to spread more rapidly. My QiGong instructor says that if you tonify qi, that will actually FEED the cancer. Many cancer patients take up QiGong and wind up killing themselves more efficiently. To deal with cancer, it is my understanding that you much first PURGE and DETOXIFY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Dunno about yin/yang, but it can have numerous underlying patterns. I think it's mainly phlegm accumulation and toxicity. Bill Cunningham wrote: > - > " sherry bakko " <sbakko > <Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:01 PM > [Chinese Traditional Medicine] acupuncture and cancer > > > >> I am wondering what the feelings are regarding doing acupuncture on a >> person who has cancer - is it a good idea? I have heard/been told that >> acupuncture should not be given when cancer is involved - it causes the >> cancer to spread or grow faster. Thoughts? TIA >> >> Don't Worry - Be Happy >> Sherry >> > > Speaking of cancer since it is a mass of renegade cells, would it be > considered yang? I was wondering just this the other day. Are masses of > tissue yang and fluid conditions yin ? > > Bill > > > --- > > Post message address: Chinese Traditional Medicine > http://health.Chinese Traditional Medicine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 You need to use the correct Qigong for cancer. The most common one used in China is Guo Lin family Qigong. You can get the entire form at my web site: www.JadePowerQigong.com Most people only see the walking part of Guo Lin gong, but that is just one part of the system. I also have a meditation based on the microcosmic orbit that can be used for cancer and other illnesses. As far as acupuncture & cancer, it is very common to use it to counter-act the effects of chemo and radiation. Chinese pharmacology also has a number of effective treatments, and He Shu Wu (Fo-Ti) can help with hair loss due to chemo & radiation. Jeff Mercurius Trismegistus wrote: > > > > My QiGong instructor says that if you tonify qi, that will actually FEED > the cancer. Many cancer patients take up QiGong and wind up killing > themselves more efficiently. To deal with cancer, it is my > understanding that you much first PURGE and DETOXIFY. > > _ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 I'm with Hugo. There is no widely held opinion on whether or not to treat someone with cancer with acupuncture or herbs. There is no conventional wisdom nor standard of care. So it all comes back to a proper diagnosis, treatment principle, and therapy. As for treating cancer in the US, the only problem that we have is that cancer can only be legally treated by an oncologist. However acupuncturists CAN treat people with cancer. This isn't holistic semantics. Treating the side-effects of cancer treatments such as nausea due to chemotherapy<http://consensus.nih.gov/1997/1997Acupuncture107html.htm>is well researched. " Supporting the righteous " (immune system and other healthy things in the body) is a well known treatment principle and essentially the basis of tonic herbalism. On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > Hi Sherry! > > > " I have heard/been told that acupuncture should not be given when cancer is > involved - it causes the > cancer to spread or grow faster. " > > That is a bunch of unmitigated poop. > > More seriously, that is a claim without any backing in research, physiology > or clinical experience. > > Hugo > -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Bill Cunningham <billcu1wrote: > Speaking of cancer since it is a mass of renegade cells, would it be > considered yang? I was wondering just this the other day. Are masses of > tissue yang and fluid conditions yin ? Bill > Hi Bill, Yin and yang always arise together. As such, you can't have something being either yin or yang without something else to compare it to... A *mass* of renegade cells would be considered yin when compared to adjacent tissues that have less mass because *yin is substance*. However when comparing a tumor with a high amount of metabolic activity (as it will likely have) to normal tissue that has a normal amount of metabolic activity, it would be considered *yang* because *metabolic activity is* *hot * in nature. So whether a tumor is yin or yang all depends on what you're comparing it to. Yin and yang represents a relationship, not a fixed identity. This is not a commonly understood point because in clinical practice yin is always body fluids and yang is always function. But everything can be split into yin and yang. Even body fluids are further split up into " jin " and " ye " . One of these is body fluids are transparent and the other is opaque. Not sure which is considered yin and yang, though. Still, they're like opposites in their own way. So we can go round and round on this one. Fixing a pathology into terms of yin and yang has to be really considered in terms of the other signs, symptoms, and context to make a statement of yin and yang. -al. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Strictly speaking, you're not really treating " cancer, " as that is a Western Diagnosis. You just treat the pattern from a TCM perspective. Al Stone wrote: > I'm with Hugo. > > There is no widely held opinion on whether or not to treat someone with > cancer with acupuncture or herbs. There is no conventional wisdom nor > standard of care. So it all comes back to a proper diagnosis, treatment > principle, and therapy. > > As for treating cancer in the US, the only problem that we have is that > cancer can only be legally treated by an oncologist. However acupuncturists > CAN treat people with cancer. This isn't holistic semantics. Treating the > side-effects of cancer treatments such as nausea due to > chemotherapy<http://consensus.nih.gov/1997/1997Acupuncture107html.htm>is > well researched. " Supporting the righteous " (immune system and other > healthy things in the body) is a well known treatment principle and > essentially the basis of tonic herbalism. > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > >> Hi Sherry! >> >> >> " I have heard/been told that acupuncture should not be given when cancer is >> involved - it causes the >> cancer to spread or grow faster. " >> >> That is a bunch of unmitigated poop. >> >> More seriously, that is a claim without any backing in research, physiology >> or clinical experience. >> >> Hugo >> >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Hi MT: Eating tonifies qi, breathing tonifies qi, sleeping tonifies qi. Any and all of these activities, then, promote cancer? Most Qi Gong (pretty much all basic qi gong) works on stabilising very basic physiological processes. There are many types of ADVANCED qi gong where, if done incorrectly, strange and potentially dangerous physiological reactions can occur. A fire type of Qi Gong practiced by a patient whose cancer is based on liver heat can worsen the problem, but only an incompetent would prescribe that. Can you imagine someone presenting with excess liver fire and being prescribed fuzi? In any case, to say that qi gong tonifies qi and therefore feeds cancer is incorrect. Qi Gong has a very good reputation in China for improving cancer trajectories and, indeed, curing many cases of said disease. Hugo MT: We were told not to needle in that area. For instance, one patient had had cancer in her right arm. We would not needle there. One thing you can do is needle the other side, as those meridians are bilateral. But we were told that you don't want to needle that area, because if the cancer is growing back, puncturing it could cause it to spread more rapidly. My QiGong instructor says that if you tonify qi, that will actually FEED the cancer. Many cancer patients take up QiGong and wind up killing themselves more efficiently. To deal with cancer, it is my understanding that you much first PURGE and DETOXIFY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 there is an old saying about cancer in chinese medicine which is " Cancer is an excess Shi condition that comes out of deficiency xu " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 altmedicine.guide(Cathy Wong - About.com Alternative Med Guide) Tue, Oct 27, 2009, 10:31am Alternative Med In the Spotlight | More Topics | from Cathy Wong Practiced in traditional Chinese medicine for over 5,000 years, acupuncture is often used to promote healing and relieve pain. While acupuncture can't treat cancer itself, it may help patients overcome cancer-related pain and fatigue. This week, discover how acupuncture might benefit people coping with cancer. In the Spotlight Acupuncture and Cancer For people coping with cancer-related pain and fatigue - or unpleasant side effects of cancer treatment - acupuncture can offer all-natural relief... Read more: http://altmedicine.about.com/od/cance1/a/acupuncture_cancer.htm?nl=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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