Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Melly, once again thank you for your balance!--- On Mon, 8/10/09, Melly Bag <tita_mel wrote: Melly Bag <tita_mel Truths on Healthcare Billoleander soup , , cancercured , coconut_oil_open_forum Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 2:41 PM Ok guys, here from are more leads so we may find out what are the "truths and untruths" being pushed around. Melly ============ ========Health-care reform: Just the facts, ma'amPlay Video ABC News – Debating End of Life Care Play Video Video:'Un-American' Activities? FOX News Play Video Video:Angry Father Yells at Congressman ABC News Word wars The Starting Point: Overpopulation issues and post office woes Political Bites More » 1 hr 51 mins agoFacts, schmackts. Getting lost in the hubbub over health care seems to be a little thing called "facts," it seems. Confusion over what's what in the complex health bill has spawned town hall shouting matches and claims of 'un-American' attacks from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Judging from the health-care hijinks over the weekend, it doesn't look like the noise is going to die down anytime soon.In July alone, President Obama gave no less than nine speeches on his health-care plan. But getting the facts out is proving to be easier said than done: Phrases like "euthanasia, socialized health care" and "rationing" are still being bandied about. (None of which are in the health-care bill, by the way)On Friday, former Gov. Sarah Palin raised more than a few eyebrows with a Facebook post on Obama's "evil" vision for health care. In it, she claims that the administration' s bill includes "death panels" that would decide who receives health care:The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel†so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,†whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.Appearing on ABC's "This Week," Newt Gingrich defended Palin's attack on "death panels," even after host George Stephanopoulos helpfully pointed out that the bill doesn't actually include any kind of provision for "death panels."A USA Today op-ed decries the "misinformation" and "mayhem" that are firing up both sides of the debate. The op-ed clarifies what it identifies as top issues that are being twisted into something they're not, including euthanasia (not true), keeping your existing health care (maybe) and illegal immigrant coverage (not true).In an effort to get everyone's facts straight, the White House launched a "Reality Check" webpage on whitehouse.gov aimed at debunking "malicious" health-care bill myths. It features explainer videos on the "euthanasia distortion," veterans' health care, and how reform will affect small businesses. There's also an FAQ and information on how consumers will be protected.Don't trust the official government website? Then check out FactCheck.org, which targets factually challenged TV ads and "false euthanasia claims," and fact checks Obama's July 22 news conference on health care. The site's fact checkers even fact check the White House's "Reality Check" on health care facts. That enough facts for you?If not, CNN.com's "Health Care in Focus" page features a debate explainer that breaks down the major players and compares the different plans before Congress. The Washington Post's health-reform web page includes interactive graphics that show the current health-care system and a simple, bulleted explanation of what you "stand to gain or lose" with the various plans under consideration.PolitiFact.com' s Truth-O-Meter rates the "truthiness" of public statements on health care from both sides of the aisle, including statements made by Karl Rove, several senators and President Obama himself.NPR.org's "Prescriptions For Change" section includes Obama's timeline for a health bill, stories from patients and providers, and a debate on the always-interesting question, "What's Canadian Health Care Really Like?"(Fact: Despite some grumbling, Canadians actually like their nationalized health-care system). — Lili Ladaga News bloggers compile the best news content from our providers and scour the Web for the most interesting news stories so you don't have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Ladies and Gentlemen. WE are a group of very intelligent adults, that have chosen to do something "different" then the norm. We have chosen to THINK! and REASON! The political groups in the U.S. are at war, making up fictitious stories they wish and spreading them all over the planet. NOTHING I have read has any truth, zero. It's political. ANYTHING political is either half or no truth. When it comes to HUGH amounts of money, everything goes! The entire heath care "thing" is to pay off their buddies in the drug industry. Now, if anyone out there, in the entire world, can prove me wrong, please do so. I'll buy your dinner. Wherever you wish. At your bidding. This rushing to get this through is garbage. That's so we cannot read what it actually has. As an American, I WILL vote OUT all that have been ripping us off. I encourage ALL Americans do the same. For your friends in other countries, I encourage you to do so where you live. I want to stay focused on what OUR wonderful group are doing. Sharing with each other HOW to stay healthy into our "later" years. Let us share our wonderful knowledge, to help all be at our best health! Deal? Rich in NJ In a message dated 8/10/2009 5:41:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tita_mel writes: Ok guys, here from are more leads so we may find out what are the "truths and untruths" being pushed around. Melly ====================Health-care reform: Just the facts, ma'amPlay Video ABC News – Debating End of Life Care Play Video:'Un-American' Activities? FOX News Play Video:Angry Father Yells at Congressman ABC News Word wars The Starting Point: Overpopulation issues and post office woes Political Bites More » 1 hr 51 mins agoFacts, schmackts. Getting lost in the hubbub over health care seems to be a little thing called "facts," it seems. Confusion over what's what in the complex health bill has spawned town hall shouting matches and claims of 'un-American' attacks from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Judging from the health-care hijinks over the weekend, it doesn't look like the noise is going to die down anytime soon.In July alone, President Obama gave no less than nine speeches on his health-care plan. But getting the facts out is proving to be easier said than done: Phrases like "euthanasia,socialized health care" and "rationing" are still being bandied about. (None of which are in the health-care bill, by the way)On Friday, former Gov. Sarah Palin raised more than a few eyebrows with a Facebook post on Obama's "evil" vision for health care. In it, she claims that the administration's bill includes "death panels" that would decide who receives health care:The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel†so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,†whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.Appearing on ABC's "This Week," Newt Gingrich defended Palin's attack on "death panels," even after host George Stephanopoulos helpfully pointed out that the bill doesn't actually include any kind of provision for "death panels."A USA Today op-ed decries the "misinformation" and "mayhem" that are firing up both sides of the debate. The op-ed clarifies what it identifies as top issues that are being twisted into something they're not, including euthanasia (not true), keeping your existing health care (maybe) and illegal immigrant coverage (not true).In an effort to get everyone's facts straight, the White House launched a "Reality Check" webpage on whitehouse.gov aimed at debunking "malicious" health-care bill myths. It features explainer videos on the "euthanasia distortion," veterans' health care, and how reform will affect small businesses. There's also an FAQ and information on how consumers will be protected.Don't trust the official government website? Then check out FactCheck.org, which targets factually challenged TV ads and "false euthanasia claims," and fact checks Obama's July 22 news conference on health care. The site's fact checkers even fact check the White House's "Reality Check" on health care facts. That enough facts for you?If not, CNN.com's "Health Care in Focus" page features a debate explainer that breaks down the major players and compares the different plans before Congress. The Washington Post's health-reform web page includes interactive graphics that show the current health-care system and a simple, bulleted explanation of what you "stand to gain or lose" with the various plans under consideration.PolitiFact.com's Truth-O-Meter rates the "truthiness" of public statements on health care from both sides of the aisle, including statements made by Karl Rove, several senators and President Obama himself.NPR.org's "Prescriptions For Change" section includes Obama's timeline for a health bill, stories from patients and providers, and a debate on the always-interesting question, "What's Canadian Health Care Really Like?"(Fact: Despite some grumbling, Canadians actually like their nationalized health-care system). — Lili Ladaga News bloggers compile the best news content from our providers and scour the Web for the most interesting news stories so you don't have to. --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 That's a Deal, Rich! Blessings, Healings, Love and Prayers to All! Sincerely, Elizabeth "richmaj" <richmajoleander soup Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:56:50 PMRe: Truths on Healthcare Bill Ladies and Gentlemen. WE are a group of very intelligent adults, that have chosen to do something "different" then the norm. We have chosen to THINK! and REASON! The political groups in the U.S. are at war, making up fictitious stories they wish and spreading them all over the planet. NOTHING I have read has any truth, zero. It's political. ANYTHING political is either half or no truth. When it comes to HUGH amounts of money, everything goes! The entire heath care "thing" is to pay off their buddies in the drug industry. Now, if anyone out there, in the entire world, can prove me wrong, please do so. I'll buy your dinner. Wherever you wish. At your bidding. This rushing to get this through is garbage. That's so we cannot read what it actually has. As an American, I WILL vote OUT all that have been ripping us off. I encourage ALL Americans do the same. For your friends in other countries, I encourage you to do so where you live. I want to stay focused on what OUR wonderful group are doing. Sharing with each other HOW to stay healthy into our "later" years. Let us share our wonderful knowledge, to help all be at our best health! Deal? Rich in NJ In a message dated 8/10/2009 5:41:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tita_mel writes: Ok guys, here from are more leads so we may find out what are the "truths and untruths" being pushed around. Melly ============ ========Health-care reform: Just the facts, ma'amPlay Video ABC News – Debating End of Life Care Play Video:'Un-American' Activities? FOX News Play Video:Angry Father Yells at Congressman ABC News Word wars The Starting Point: Overpopulation issues and post office woes Political Bites More » 1 hr 51 mins agoFacts, schmackts. Getting lost in the hubbub over health care seems to be a little thing called "facts," it seems. Confusion over what's what in the complex health bill has spawned town hall shouting matches and claims of 'un-American' attacks from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Judging from the health-care hijinks over the weekend, it doesn't look like the noise is going to die down anytime soon.In July alone, President Obama gave no less than nine speeches on his health-care plan. But getting the facts out is proving to be easier said than done: Phrases like "euthanasia, socialized health care" and "rationing" are still being bandied about. (None of which are in the health-care bill, by the way)On Friday, former Gov. Sarah Palin raised more than a few eyebrows with a Facebook post on Obama's "evil" vision for health care. In it, she claims that the administration' s bill includes "death panels" that would decide who receives health care:The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel†so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,†whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.Appearing on ABC's "This Week," Newt Gingrich defended Palin's attack on "death panels," even after host George Stephanopoulos helpfully pointed out that the bill doesn't actually include any kind of provision for "death panels."A USA Today op-ed decries the "misinformation" and "mayhem" that are firing up both sides of the debate. The op-ed clarifies what it identifies as top issues that are being twisted into something they're not, including euthanasia (not true), keeping your existing health care (maybe) and illegal immigrant coverage (not true).In an effort to get everyone's facts straight, the White House launched a "Reality Check" webpage on whitehouse.gov aimed at debunking "malicious" health-care bill myths. It features explainer videos on the "euthanasia distortion," veterans' health care, and how reform will affect small businesses. There's also an FAQ and information on how consumers will be protected.Don't trust the official government website? Then check out FactCheck.org, which targets factually challenged TV ads and "false euthanasia claims," and fact checks Obama's July 22 news conference on health care. The site's fact checkers even fact check the White House's "Reality Check" on health care facts. That enough facts for you?If not, CNN.com's "Health Care in Focus" page features a debate explainer that breaks down the major players and compares the different plans before Congress. The Washington Post's health-reform web page includes interactive graphics that show the current health-care system and a simple, bulleted explanation of what you "stand to gain or lose" with the various plans under consideration.PolitiFact.com' s Truth-O-Meter rates the "truthiness" of public statements on health care from both sides of the aisle, including statements made by Karl Rove, several senators and President Obama himself.NPR.org's "Prescriptions For Change" section includes Obama's timeline for a health bill, stories from patients and providers, and a debate on the always-interesting question, "What's Canadian Health Care Really Like?"(Fact: Despite some grumbling, Canadians actually like their nationalized health-care system). — Lili Ladaga News bloggers compile the best news content from our providers and scour the Web for the most interesting news stories so you don't have to. ------------ --------- --------- ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Well said, Rich. I think you hit the nail on the head with that. I don't want anyone telling me what to do about ANY aspect of mine or my families well being. I can support myself and my family, so the government can just keep this " help " they are offering. I'm with you on the voting revolution as well. That is the peaceful alternative to what is bound to happen when our government continues to usurp liberties at the rate it has thus far. The other alternative is not nearly as nice. As a veteran of the U.S. military, I will say that I may not agree with all the opinions shared on this forum, but I will die to protect your right to say them. God bless America! Darren oleander soup , richmaj wrote: > > Ladies and Gentlemen. > > WE are a group of very intelligent adults, that have chosen to do > something " different " then the norm. > > We have chosen to THINK! and REASON! > > The political groups in the U.S. are at war, making up fictitious stories > they wish and spreading them all over the planet. NOTHING I have read has > any truth, zero. > It's political. ANYTHING political is either half or no truth. > When it comes to HUGH amounts of money, everything goes! > The entire heath care " thing " is to pay off their buddies in the drug > industry. > Now, if anyone out there, in the entire world, can prove me wrong, > please do so. > I'll buy your dinner. Wherever you wish. At your bidding. > This rushing to get this through is garbage. > That's so we cannot read what it actually has. > As an American, I WILL vote OUT all that have been ripping us off. > I encourage ALL Americans do the same. > For your friends in other countries, I encourage you to do so where you > live. > I want to stay focused on what OUR wonderful group are doing. > Sharing with each other HOW to stay healthy into our " later " years. > Let us share our wonderful knowledge, to help all be at our best health! > Deal? > > Rich in NJ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/08/defending_palins_death_panel_r.html Defending Palin's 'Death Panel' remark Clarice Feldman Moderate law professor Ann Althouse (an Obama voter) takes issue with those who twisted Sarah Palin's criticism of the Obama health care proposal. She says Palin's right to be worried and admits she is, too: " The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil. " She doesn't say that the government will kill disabled (or elderly) persons directly, but that death will occur as a result of the decisions of cost controlling bureaucrats who with the power to determine who can receive various treatments. I don't know why " level of productivity in society " is in quotes, nor do I know whether it is the plan to ration care on this basis. Those are actually serious matters, and I'd like to know the answers. What Kleefeld is doing is trying to sweep Palin aside as a big crazy wacko. Yes, she used a colorful expression " death panel, " but it's a good and fair polemical expression if in fact life-saving care will be rationed on this basis. I have found myself saying, in conversation, " I'm afraid Obama is going to kill me. " Now, I'm not picturing him or one of his minions coming over to murder me, but I am afraid that as I get older and need expensive care to keep me alive that I will be told I cannot have it, because at my age, in the government's opinion, there's not enough life left in me to be worth the money that I would take from the system that needs to pay for everything. --------- P.S. Additional websites: http://www.covertheuninsured.org http://www.healthreform.org , Melly Bag <tita_mel wrote: > > > Ok guys, here from are more leads so we may find out what are the " truths and untruths " being pushed around.  > Melly >  > ==================== > Health-care reform: Just the facts, ma'am > > Play Video ABC News  †"  Debating End of Life Care > Play Video Video:'Un-American' Activities? FOX News > Play Video Video:Angry Father Yells at Congressman ABC News > > > Word wars > > The Starting Point: Overpopulation issues and post office woes > Political Bites More » > 1 hr 51 mins ago > > Facts, schmackts. Getting lost in the hubbub over health care seems to be a little thing called " facts, " it seems. Confusion over what's what in the complex health bill has spawned town hall shouting matches and claims of 'un-American' attacks from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Judging from the health-care hijinks over the weekend, it doesn't look like the noise is going to die down anytime soon. > In July alone, President Obama gave no less than nine speeches on his health-care plan. But getting the facts out is proving to be easier said than done: Phrases like " euthanasia, " " socialized health care " and " rationing " are still being bandied about. (None of which are in the health-care bill, by the way) > On Friday, former Gov. Sarah Palin raised more than a few eyebrows with a Facebook post on Obama's " evil " vision for health care. In it, she claims that the administration's bill includes " death panels " that would decide who receives health care: > > The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel†so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,†whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil. > Appearing on ABC's " This Week, " Newt Gingrich defended Palin's attack on " death panels, " even after host George Stephanopoulos helpfully pointed out that the bill doesn't actually include any kind of provision for " death panels. " > A USA Today op-ed decries the " misinformation " and " mayhem " that are firing up both sides of the debate. The op-ed clarifies what it identifies as top issues that are being twisted into something they're not, including euthanasia (not true), keeping your existing health care (maybe) and illegal immigrant coverage (not true). > In an effort to get everyone's facts straight, the White House launched a " Reality Check " webpage on whitehouse.gov aimed at debunking " malicious " health-care bill myths. It features explainer videos on the " euthanasia distortion, " veterans' health care, and how reform will affect small businesses. There's also an FAQ and information on how consumers will be protected. > Don't trust the official government website? Then check out FactCheck.org, which targets factually challenged TV ads and " false euthanasia claims, " and fact checks Obama's July 22 news conference on health care. The site's fact checkers even fact check the White House's " Reality Check " on health care facts. That enough facts for you? > If not, CNN.com's " Health Care in Focus " page features a debate explainer that breaks down the major players and compares the different plans before Congress. The Washington Post's health-reform web page includes interactive graphics that show the current health-care system and a simple, bulleted explanation of what you " stand to gain or lose " with the various plans under consideration. > PolitiFact.com's Truth-O-Meter rates the " truthiness " of public statements on health care from both sides of the aisle, including statements made by Karl Rove, several senators and President Obama himself. > NPR.org's " Prescriptions For Change " section includes Obama's timeline for a health bill, stories from patients and providers, and a debate on the always-interesting question, " What's Canadian Health Care Really Like? " > (Fact: Despite some grumbling, Canadians actually like their nationalized health-care system). >  > †" Lili Ladaga > News bloggers compile the best news content from our providers and scour the Web for the most interesting news stories so you don't have to. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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