MERCURY

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A few days ago I wrote quite a long post responding to

your post on homeopathic mercury, Ian, but it seems to

have disappeared into cyberspace, so I will summarise

what I wrote.

I have just read a book called Prakriti which is on

Ayurvedic medicine. At the end is a chapter on

bhismas- which are medicines made from metals and

minerals, including mercury, gold and silver,

diamonds, and many others.

The technique for preparing the metals is thousands of

years old. They are purified, them mixed with herbs,

then incinerated- from maybe a dozen up to a thousand

times. This can take years, and the resulting very

fine powders, which have ben rendered totally

inactive- they are oxides and sulfides if I remember

correctly- are taken in tiny amounts- the size of a

rice grain. They are highly valued in Ayurveda.

There was a statement in the book quoting an ayurvedic

saying that there is no disease that mercury cannot

cure if it is taken correctly, and no disease it

cannot cause if incorrectly prepared and taken.

Mercury is highly valued.

I actually trust that the ancient process of preparing

these metals and minerals, and the knowledge of how to

take them, is a time tested and worthy process of

great value.

However, when I studied naturopathy I learned of the

damage that mercury based drugs can do- as well as

their apparent miraculous powers, belying their

insideous destruction. I believe it was simply too

gross for our bodies the way they have been prepared

in western medicine, but I am open to others knowing a

better way. After all, its the same way we know about

the power of herbs- the time tested way passed from

generation to generation, from sages and seers, from

herbalists and shamans, whatever the culture.

So, I dont know about homeopathic mercury, but after

reading this chapter on bhismas, I am open to what we

call poisons- which is after all a label applied

because of our negative experiences- having

possibilities for healing , but only when prepared

with the correct knowledge.

 

my 2 cents

love

peela

 

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Hmmmmm, just because it is old does not necessarily mean that it is true or overall good in the long run. Remember, we gave up blood letting at the end of the 19th Century. One of my problems with this 'metal' technology 'and' homeopathy is that too often the focus is on the symptom rather than the cause. For this reason I don't regard Homeopathy as a true Naturopathic science though perhaps at one time it may have been.

 

See individual answers below to your statements.

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

I have just read a book called Prakriti which is on Ayurvedic medicine. At the end is a chapter on bhismas- which are medicines made from metals and minerals, including mercury, gold and silver, diamonds, and many others.The technique for preparing the metals is thousands of years old.

 

Does not make it right and it is certainly not biochemical.

 

They are purified, them mixed with herbs, then incinerated- from maybe a dozen up to a thousand times. This can take years, and the resulting very fine powders, which have been rendered totally inactive- they are oxides and sulfides if I remember correctly- are taken in tiny amounts- the size of a rice grain. They are highly valued in Ayurveda.

 

Seems like an awful lot of work when I'm quite convinced that all disease is curable using Naturopathic methods. (I told you I was skeptical ;o) Knowledge is only as valuable as it is applicable. Just because it comes from some dusty old tome does not make it true or workable. One must ask oneself the question, "Can I use this piece of knowledge to achieve a workable result?". Don't place too much importance on 'ancient mysteries'. (LOL)

There was a statement in the book quoting an ayurvedic saying that there is no disease that mercury cannot cure if it is taken correctly, and no disease it cannot cause if incorrectly prepared and taken.

 

Most diseases are actually symptoms (bullets, steering wheels, and broken bones excepted and which are not really diseases in the first place) and even the medico (allopath) has learned that it is easy to suppress a symptom. Almost his entire science is base on this principle. The only problem is, and this holds true with using heavy metals as medicine, that down the road other diseases now surface and of course this has nothing to do with the earlier 'cure'. (Sheesh, is my sarcasm showing through? ;o)

Mercury is highly valued. I actually trust that the ancient process of preparing these metals and minerals, and the knowledge of how to take them, is a time tested and worthy process ofgreat value.

 

I don't! I don't trust them at all for the above given reasons.

However, when I studied naturopathy I learned of the damage that mercury based drugs can do- as well as their apparent miraculous powers, belying their insideous destruction.

 

Again, what are the long term effects? And, has the "cause" been handled? I repeat, if the cause has not been handled then the solution is only a bandaid and a suppression of the symptom. The headache patient does not have his headache because of an aspirin deficiency. Similarly, the consumption victim does not have his lung problems because of a mercury deficiency. Get the idea?

 

I believe it was simply too gross for our bodies the way they have been prepared in western medicine, but I am open to others knowing a better way.

 

Not me, or at least not for me! I admit quite freely to not knowing everything there is to know about Naturopathy, but I'll accept no man's work until I have verified his findings in actual clinical applications with consistent results. Too often we accept what an 'authority' has to say without personal inspection of his data and his findings and through laziness we assign others as 'cause' over our own health and lives. I think this is an extremely dangerous practice. The problem with 'open-mindedness' is that it lets in bad data as well as the good. I'm not a promoter of 'closed-mindedness' either, but rather prefer and advocate 'cause-mindedness' where the individual is fully responsible for his own condition and for the creation of his own future. To do this, he must fully acknowledge having caused his past and his existing present. Any scrape a person ever got himself into was preceded by his own choice to be there in the first place. This viewpoint may seem cold and uncompromising but it is the truth. At least, it is for me ;o) You need to decided for yourself (laugh).

 

After all, its the same way we know about the power of herbs- the time tested way passed fromgeneration to generation, from sages and seers, from herbalists and shamans, whatever the culture.

 

Hogwash! - Sounds romantic, but hogwash! As far as I'm concerned (IMOHO:o), Doc Christopher was the greatest herbalist of the 20th Century and he certainly didn't just accept what the sages, seers and shamans of the past had to say about a particular herbal cure though he studied them avidly. He tried, tested, and improved, - tried, tested, and improved and so on until he found a better way. Most of his remedies were unique. He invented them. They were his own creations. And he enjoined his students to take what he had to teach and carry it forward, not carve it in stone and let it rot.

 

So, I dont know about homeopathic mercury, but after reading this chapter on bhismas, I am open to what we call poisons - which is after all a label applied because of our negative experiences- having possibilities for healing , but only when prepared with the correct knowledge.

 

I agree with your basic philosophy here as long as you keep it to herbal and biochemical applications. When you marry this concept to inorganics, I strongly disagree.my 2 cents

 

Worth at least 3 cents ;o) Not trying to pick on you here hon, I just wouldn't want to see you get complacent with your understandings. I love learning and creating new data. Stagnation scares me.

 

Much love,

Doc

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Ian,

I simply dont know, but I insist on keeping an open

mind about it!

That doesnt mean I am going out there to ingest

mercury, but I will be interested in further studies.

As for Dr Christopher, I agree he was amazing, and I

dont know his work exept through this list, and I am

impressed and grateful to have come across it. He

seems to have created a fairly unique and complete

system of healing- but it is not without its roots in

traditional herbalism. He was influenced. And that

influence has an historical evolutional pattern- he

just took it in a particular direction, and learnt

from trial and error and perhaps insiration.

So, sure just because something has been used by other

cultures historically doesnt necessarily make it

useful now, but you seem to be saying (correct me if I

am wrong) Dr Christophers way is the best. It may be,

and it may be a fairly complete healing system unto

itself,but if you dont know everything thats out

there- and you couldnt- wouldnt it be best to stay

openminded?

I am glad of the clinical data out there on herbs and

healing methods, but that doesnt mean everything that

hasnt been scientifically proven is not valid.

However, when it comes to something like mercury, I

can understand wanting validation.

Homeopathy isnt scientifically proven-but there is

heaps of evidence that it is far more than placebo.

Real documented evidence,lots of it, if you care to

look for it. Spiritual healing cant be proven. Lets

not get stuck in the mindset that everything has to be

proven.

I will just stay with " I dont know " for mercury

bhismas and other such dubious substances. I am

comfortable with that.

I understand though your desire on this list to stay

with real experiences, solid stuff- there is a lot of

hogwash out there, and this is a wonderful forum for

communicating direct experience.

I love to debate it though!

love

Peela

 

--- " Ian Shillington N.D. "

<Dr.IanShillington wrote:

> Hmmmmm, just because it is old does not necessarily

> mean that it is true

> or overall good in the long run. Remember, we gave

> up blood letting at

> the end of the 19th Century. One of my problems

> with this 'metal'

> technology 'and' homeopathy is that too often the

> focus is on the

> symptom rather than the cause. For this reason I

> don't regard

> Homeopathy as a true Naturopathic science though

> perhaps at one time it

> may have been.

>

> See individual answers below to your statements.

>

> Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D.

> 505-772-5889

> Dr.IanShillington

> I have just read a book called Prakriti which is

> on Ayurvedic

> medicine. At the end is a chapter on bhismas- which

> are medicines made

> from metals and minerals, including mercury, gold

> and silver, diamonds,

> and many others.

> The technique for preparing the metals is

> thousands of years old.

>

> Does not make it right and it is certainly not

> biochemical.

>

> They are purified, them mixed with herbs, then

> incinerated- from maybe

> a dozen up to a thousand times. This can take years,

> and the resulting

> very fine powders, which have been rendered totally

> inactive- they are

> oxides and sulfides if I remember correctly- are

> taken in tiny amounts-

> the size of a rice grain. They are highly valued in

> Ayurveda.

>

> Seems like an awful lot of work when I'm quite

> convinced that all

> disease is curable using Naturopathic methods. (I

> told you I was

> skeptical ;o) Knowledge is only as valuable as it

> is applicable. Just

> because it comes from some dusty old tome does not

> make it true or

> workable. One must ask oneself the question, " Can I

> use this piece of

> knowledge to achieve a workable result? " . Don't

> place too much

> importance on 'ancient mysteries'. (LOL)

>

> There was a statement in the book quoting an

> ayurvedic saying that

> there is no disease that mercury cannot cure if it

> is taken correctly,

> and no disease it cannot cause if incorrectly

> prepared and taken.

>

> Most diseases are actually symptoms (bullets,

> steering wheels, and

> broken bones excepted and which are not really

> diseases in the first

> place) and even the medico (allopath) has learned

> that it is easy to

> suppress a symptom. Almost his entire science is

> base on this

> principle. The only problem is, and this holds true

> with using heavy

> metals as medicine, that down the road other

> diseases now surface and of

> course this has nothing to do with the earlier

> 'cure'. (Sheesh, is my

> sarcasm showing through? ;o)

>

> Mercury is highly valued. I actually trust that

> the ancient process

> of preparing these metals and minerals, and the

> knowledge of how to take

> them, is a time tested and worthy process of

> great value.

>

> I don't! I don't trust them at all for the above

> given reasons.

>

> However, when I studied naturopathy I learned of

> the damage that

> mercury based drugs can do- as well as their

> apparent miraculous powers,

> belying their insideous destruction.

>

> Again, what are the long term effects? And, has

> the " cause " been

> handled? I repeat, if the cause has not been

> handled then the solution

> is only a bandaid and a suppression of the symptom.

> The headache

> patient does not have his headache because of an

> aspirin deficiency.

> Similarly, the consumption victim does not have his

> lung problems

> because of a mercury deficiency. Get the idea?

>

> I believe it was simply too gross for our bodies

> the way they have

> been prepared in western medicine, but I am open to

> others knowing a

> better way.

>

> Not me, or at least not for me! I admit quite

> freely to not knowing

> everything there is to know about Naturopathy, but

> I'll accept no man's

> work until I have verified his findings in actual

> clinical applications

> with consistent results. Too often we accept what

> an 'authority' has to

> say without personal inspection of his data and his

> findings and through

> laziness we assign others as 'cause' over our own

> health and lives. I

> think this is an extremely dangerous practice. The

> problem with

> 'open-mindedness' is that it lets in bad data as

> well as the good. I'm

> not a promoter of 'closed-mindedness' either, but

> rather prefer and

> advocate 'cause-mindedness' where the individual is

> fully responsible

> for his own condition and for the creation of his

> own future. To do

> this, he must fully acknowledge having caused his

> past and his existing

> present. Any scrape a person ever got himself into

> was preceded by his

> own choice to be there in the first place. This

> viewpoint may seem cold

> and uncompromising but it is the truth. At least,

> it is for me ;o) You

> need to decided for yourself (laugh).

>

> After all, its the same way we know about the

> power of herbs- the time

> tested way passed from

> generation to generation, from sages and seers,

> from herbalists and

> shamans, whatever the culture.

>

> Hogwash! - Sounds romantic, but hogwash! As far

> as I'm concerned

> (IMOHO:o), Doc Christopher was the greatest

> herbalist of the 20th

> Century and he certainly didn't just accept what the

> sages, seers and

> shamans of the past had to say about a particular

> herbal cure though he

> studied them avidly. He tried, tested, and

> improved, - tried, tested,

> and improved and so on until he found a better way.

> Most of his

> remedies were unique. He invented them. They were

> his own creations.

> And he enjoined his students to take what he had to

> teach and carry it

> forward, not carve it in stone and let it rot.

>

> So, I dont know about homeopathic mercury, but

> after reading this

> chapter on bhismas, I am open to what we call

> poisons - which is after

> all a label applied because of our negative

> experiences- having

> possibilities for healing , but only when prepared

> with the correct

> knowledge.

>

> I agree with your basic philosophy here as long as

> you keep it to

> herbal and biochemical applications. When you marry

> this concept to

> inorganics, I strongly disagree.

>

> my 2 cents

>

> Worth at least 3 cents ;o) Not trying to pick on

> you here hon, I just

> wouldn't want to see you get complacent with your

> understandings. I

> love learning and creating new data. Stagnation

> scares me.

>

> Much love,

> Doc

>

 

 

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within you guide your way on.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Peela and Ian,

Just wanted to let you both know that it is enjoyable reading your

two extremely informative emails......as yousaid Peela - this is a

wonderful forum.............Love Penny

" I understand though your desire on this list to stay

with real experiences, solid stuff- there is a lot of

hogwash out there, and this is a wonderful forum for

communicating direct experience.

I love to debate it though!

love

Peela "

[Guest guest]

I will just stay with "I dont know" for mercury bhismas and other such dubious substances. I am comfortable with that.

I understand though your desire on this list to stay with real experiences, solid stuff- there is a lot of hogwash out there, and this is a wonderful forum for communicating direct experience.

I love to debate it though!

 

 

Me too.

Love,

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

someone had a post couple weks ago about an alternative way to rid

your body of mercury i d sure like that info if anyone read it

thanks

 

 

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In a message dated 2/25/2005 8:50:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

mowman100 writes:

 

When I was young and a thermometer gotten broken we " PLAYED " with the

mercury

in our hands.I probably did this at least 3 times in my young life. WHAT

HAVE

I DONE!!!!!!!! I have been in excellant health all of my life.

 

 

You were very lucky.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'll say around these part's the health dept. is giving away digital

thermometer's if you give them the mercury one's do a search on

mercury toxic affect's with your filling's to the water you

drink...Debbie

 

 

 

 

,

primalmommieto5@a... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 2/25/2005 8:50:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

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when I went to the dentist last month and made a point of telling him I want composite not amalgam fillings, he scoffed at me saying there is mercury in everything and it he is not the least bit concerned ( this from a man who weighs about 500 lbs so you see how concerned this man is about health)

of course I insisted and got the composite fillings.

this is the kind of attitude you get from dentists. I dont understand why they would even consider amalgam fillings, since the composites dont last as long and the dentist makes more money in the long run off the composites anyway.

 

 

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Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:10 PM

Mercury

 

 

 

It’s legal to put mercury into people’s mouths - but look at this: (from the Bolen Report)

New Hampshire Clean Water Action has given the state a grade of D-plus for not doing enough to prevent mercury pollution from dental fillings.

The environmental organization issued a report ranking New Hampshire as only above Vermont among New England states in addressing this contamination.

Doug Bogen, program director for Clean Water Action, said the state took the lead in passing laws to address the problem, but the reforms have not been carried out.

Bogen said the key thing is to prevent the contamination from getting into the waste stream and into Portsmouth Harbour or sludge that ends up in a landfill. He added landfills are places where mercury is converted into the more toxic form methyl mercury.

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"Follow the money" - -when enough health-conscious people stop going to DDSs who put mercury in patients’ mouths, we’ll see a change in their "professionsl" attitude. In our practice, we went mercury-free in 1968. Wouldn’t it be great if N.H. made it illegal for DDSs to put this neurotoxin into people’s mouths!

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Jerry,

Do all silver fillings contain mercury? How would we know if our dentist

put in ones with or without mercury???

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In a message dated 4/12/2005 7:23:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

jmittelman writes:

 

It's legal to put mercury into people's mouths - but look at this: (from

the Bolen Report)

 

New Hampshire Clean Water Action has given the state a grade of D-plus for

not doing enough to prevent mercury pollution from dental fillings.

 

The environmental organization issued a report ranking New Hampshire as only

above Vermont among New England states in addressing this contamination.

 

Doug Bogen, program director for Clean Water Action, said the state took the

lead in passing laws to address the problem, but the reforms have not been

carried out.

 

Bogen said the key thing is to prevent the contamination from getting into

the waste stream and into Portsmouth Harbour or sludge that ends up in a

landfill. He added landfills are places where mercury is converted into the

more

toxic form methyl mercury.

 

o

 

" Follow the money " - -when enough health-conscious people stop going to DDSs

who put mercury in patients' mouths, we'll see a change in their

" professionsl " attitude. In our practice, we went mercury-free in 1968.

Wouldn't it be

great if N.H. made it illegal for DDSs to put this neurotoxin into people's

mouths!

 

Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM (Retired)

 

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In a message dated 4/12/2005 11:33:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

treblclef2 writes:

 

How would we know if our dentist

put in ones with or without mercury???

 

 

you ask. But yes they typically all have it. When my daughter was 6 and I

was less informed, she had 12 silver crowns done at once.. ever since then she

has had health issues

 

 

 

 

 

*°º°*~Michelle~*°º°*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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-

Sharon Jagger

Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:35 PM

Re: Mercury

 

when I went to the dentist last month and made a point of telling him I want composite not amalgam fillings, he scoffed at me saying there is mercury in everything and it he is not the least bit concerned ( this from a man who weighs about 500 lbs so you see how concerned this man is about health)

of course I insisted and got the composite fillings.

this is the kind of attitude you get from dentists. I dont understand why they would even consider amalgam fillings, since the composites dont last as long and the dentist makes more money in the long run off the composites anyway.

Sharon -

You go to the wrong DDS - could be troublesome for your future.

We have a report on finding an Holistic Dentist - 9 things to look for.

Reply with your p.o.box or street address, and we'll get it to you.

Ask for the Holistic Dentist Report.

Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM (Retired) jmittelman

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Jerry Mittelman

10/27/05 21:07:04

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Mercury

 

 

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Mercury brings high anxiety in Brooklyn

 

 

 

BY PAUL H.B. SHIN

DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

 

City inspectors have discovered dangerous levels of mercury vapor in

Brooklyn's tallest building, triggering a cleanup before the landmark is

converted to luxury condos, the Daily News has learned.

Air samples taken inside the Williamsburgh Savings Bank, a longtime mecca

for dentists, who use mercury for fillings, showed that mercury vapor levels

exceeded the government-allowed limit in at least one room, according to a city

Health Department inspection in June.

 

In a former dentist's office on the eighth floor of the 34-story tower, an

air sampler recorded 2,300 to 2,400 nanograms of mercury vapor per cubic meter,

more than twice the level that would trigger a cleanup in a residential unit.

 

A third of the other locations checked had vapor levels exceeding the

residential thresholds of 200 to 300 nanograms recommended by two government

agencies, even though they were under the limit that would mandate a cleanup,

the inspection showed.

 

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