Flu

[Guest guest]

I know that this is a herbal list, but since other stuff gets mentioned

anyway, I'd just like to mention that fever can easily be controlled with

homeopathic remedies, especially Belladonna Atropa.

Regards,

Michael

[Guest guest]

 

What is Nosode? Clue us in...

 

I am doing daily colloidal silver and Vit C along with Echinacea for a few days and off a few days.....Someone had suggested Astragulus instead of Echinacea but have not gotten any yet.....

I have Elderberry and it was recommended to me for the flu but have not used it yet......Am mostly trying to eat well and keep hands washed and particularly when I am around a lot of people.......One more question..where do you get the "possible strains of virus?"

 

Here's believing that the bug will just completely pass us by.......

 

Blessings..Eloise

***Make your words soft and sweet; you just may have to eat them someday.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Since we are talking holistic health, which includes eyesight, can you explain please the use of that horrible big print?

Thank you,

Stewart

 

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bamboochik

holistic-health

12 December 2003 15:55

Flu

 

 

What is everyone doing towards preventing or treating the flu this horrid year?

 

I am using my usual Homeopathic Nosode that is made new each year with the possible strains of virus and also dosing with Colloidal Silver, Freeze Dried Garlic, and 3 daily grams of C . I also give/take extra V-A during cold flu season to make sure mucus membranes are all in good working order. This is over and above my usual health routine of vitamins, minerals, and herbs.

 

Has anyone tried Elderberry for flu prevention/treatment? I have had so much good fortune with my own routine that I haven't found the necessity to try it...blessings, debora

 

 

***Make your words soft and sweet; you just may have to eat them someday.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Eloise;

 

It is taking part of excretion with some of the disease, diluting it, potentising it to something like a 30C and giving it either as a preventative during an epidemic or to treat the illness.

 

Not acceptable in all types of homeopathic care. I have made a nosode for KC when my friends dog developed it and it potentized it up to 30C (took just over 1/2 and hour to make it)

 

http://www.simillimum.com/Thelittlelibrary/Casemanage/9nosodes.html

 

Louise

 

Eloise Bailey [pray]Friday, December 12, 2003 11:28 AMholistic-health Subject: Re: Flu

 

 

What is Nosode? Clue us in...

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Stewart,

 

It was only bold not big on my monitor. Anyway she clarified that she

is partially blind. My sympathies to her.

Swamy

 

holistic-health , " Stewart Wilson "

<stewart_wilson@n...> wrote:

> Since we are talking holistic health, which includes eyesight, can

you explain please the use of that horrible big print?

> Thank you,

> Stewart

> -

> bamboochik

> holistic-health

> 12 December 2003 15:55

> Flu

>

>

>

> What is everyone doing towards preventing or treating the flu

this horrid year?

>

> I am using my usual Homeopathic Nosode that is made new each year

with the possible strains of virus and also dosing with Colloidal

Silver, Freeze Dried Garlic, and 3 daily grams of C . I also

give/take extra V-A during cold flu season to make sure mucus

membranes are all in good working order. This is over and above my

usual health routine of vitamins, minerals, and herbs.

>

> Has anyone tried Elderberry for flu prevention/treatment? I have

had so much good fortune with my own routine that I haven't found the

necessity to try it...blessings, debora

>

>

> ***Make your words soft and sweet; you just may have to eat them

someday.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Swamy,

Just shows how different computer settings produce different results.

My sympathies too, to anyone with sight problems. I know what they're like.

Stewart

 

 

-

S.V.Swamy

holistic-health

13 December 2003 16:35

Re: Flu

Dear Stewart,It was only bold not big on my monitor. Anyway she clarified that she is partially blind. My sympathies to her.Swamyholistic-health , "Stewart Wilson" <stewart_wilson@n...> wrote:> Since we are talking holistic health, which includes eyesight, can you explain please the use of that horrible big print?> Thank you,> Stewart> - > bamboochik > holistic-health > 12 December 2003 15:55> Flu> > > > What is everyone doing towards preventing or treating the flu this horrid year?> > I am using my usual Homeopathic Nosode that is made new each year with the possible strains of virus and also dosing with Colloidal Silver, Freeze Dried Garlic, and 3 daily grams of C . I also give/take extra V-A during cold flu season to make sure mucus membranes are all in good working order. This is over and above my usual health routine of vitamins, minerals, and herbs.> > Has anyone tried Elderberry for flu prevention/treatment? I have had so much good fortune with my own routine that I haven't found the necessity to try it...blessings, debora> > > ***Make your words soft and sweet; you just may have to eat them someday.> > > >

[Guest guest]

I really find the judgement on the use of the type to

be offensive and not working from a positive source.

My apologies for an insensitive and judgemental group

member.

 

Astrid

--- " S.V.Swamy " <swamy wrote:

> Dear Stewart,

>

> It was only bold not big on my monitor. Anyway she

> clarified that she

> is partially blind. My sympathies to her.

> Swamy

>

> holistic-health , " Stewart

> Wilson "

> <stewart_wilson@n...> wrote:

> > Since we are talking holistic health, which

> includes eyesight, can

> you explain please the use of that horrible big

> print?

> > Thank you,

> > Stewart

> > -

> > bamboochik

> > holistic-health

> > 12 December 2003 15:55

> > Flu

> >

> >

> >

> > What is everyone doing towards preventing or

> treating the flu

> this horrid year?

> >

> > I am using my usual Homeopathic Nosode that is

> made new each year

> with the possible strains of virus and also dosing

> with Colloidal

> Silver, Freeze Dried Garlic, and 3 daily grams of C

> . I also

> give/take extra V-A during cold flu season to make

> sure mucus

> membranes are all in good working order. This is

> over and above my

> usual health routine of vitamins, minerals, and

> herbs.

> >

> > Has anyone tried Elderberry for flu

> prevention/treatment? I have

> had so much good fortune with my own routine that I

> haven't found the

> necessity to try it...blessings, debora

> >

> >

> > ***Make your words soft and sweet; you just may

> have to eat them

> someday.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Flu Crimes at the CDC

International Medical Veritas Association

On the 7th of October the BBC started hitting the public with

its yearly dose of hyped flu propaganda. " The 1918 " Spanish " flu pandemic

is estimated to have infected up to one billion people - half the world's

population at the time. The virus killed more people than any other

single outbreak of disease, surpassing even the Black Death of the Middle

Ages. " [1] One can only wonder at the vaccines in those early days. Today

in England, with the most modern technology, we have a vaccine plant

closing because of contamination. Imagine during the First World War when

the pharmaceutical companies first started mass producing the vaccines.

At that time refrigeration was chancier and vaccine manufacturing

technology primitive. Federal regulators said an inspection of Chiron's

flu-vaccine plant in June 2003 turned up manufacturing problems, meaning

they had ample warning of troubles that over a year later remained

unresolved. John Taylor, the FDA's associate commissioner for regulatory

affairs was correct in saying, last year, that " Chiron wouldn't

necessarily be able to discover problems, identify the root cause and

take steps to prevent similar issues from arising again. " [2] Why would we

assume the early manufactures of almost 100 years ago would do any

better?

 

Chiron's Fluvirin vaccine was pulled off the market after

the dangerous serratia bacteria was found in a manufacturing plant that

uses the most up-to-the-minute safeguards. Chiron also uses the

mercury-based preservative thimerosal as a sterilizing agent in making

Fluvirin, to prevent exactly this type of contamination. Before the 1930s

no such powerful preservative was available. It's not beyond reason or

statistical probability that the vaccines back then were contaminated or

seriously flawed in some way and provoked the epidemic that killed so

many. Dr. Eleanor McBean, who lived through the 1918 Influenza epidemic,

testified, " As far as I could find out, the flu hit only the vaccinated.

Those who had refused the shots escaped the flu. My family had refused

all the vaccinations so we remained well all the time. There was seven

times more disease among the vaccinated soldiers than among the

unvaccinated civilians, and the diseases were those they had been

vaccinated against. " [3]

 

It's quite normal for the medical establishment to bash the

public with improbable stories of the past and carrot stick them with

future fears saying, " Scientists believe the 1918 virus leapt to humans

by mutating from bird flu, possibly after passing through pigs, which are

able to harbor both human and avian viruses and thus allow them to swap

genes as the viruses reproduce. For that reason, experts are deeply

concerned that the avian flu that has broken out in poultry flocks in

parts of south-east Asia may acquire genes that will make it highly

infectious as well as lethal for humans. " [4] This kind of speculation is

simply that, speculation, beliefs without substance, good story line to

scare naïve people with. We can as easily believe that the vaccines

themselves killed hundreds of thousands of people because the

pharmaceutical manufactures had not developed safeguards or sufficient

technology to assure quality control.

 

" Influenza kills tens of thousands every year in this country

and requires the hospitalization of about a quarter-million. In epidemic

years, mortality can be in the millions, " [5] says Dr. Henry I. Miller, a

fellow at the Hoover Institution and former director of the Office of

Biotechnology, who seems not to have read the CDC's version[6], which

puts 1918 flu deaths at only 500,000, the Asian Flu pandemic of 1957-58

at 70,000 and the Hong Kong Flu pandemic of 1968-69 at 34,000. Medical

authorities, the media and doctors like Miller tend to have statistical

hallucinations this time of year; but doctor Miller goes on to suggest,

" The FDA should also make it clear that although the labeling for

FluMist, the nasal vaccine, indicates that it is intended for recipients

aged 5 to 49 years, it will likely also be effective in those younger or

older. " FluMist was a disaster last year not only because it is expensive

but because it is dangerous and comes with warnings that those who use it

can become contagious for up to 21 days to those around them, because of

it's live viruses. Miller, in some kind of manic need to sure up this

year's flu campaign, would have it stuffed up the noses of babies even

though the FDA has indicated this is not safe.

 

The CDC estimated that from 1990 to 1999, an average of

approximately 92

influenza-related deaths occurred each year among children less

than 5 years of age.[7]

 

It is clear, at least to naturopathic doctors, that people

and young children die from the flu not because of the virus itself but

because they are already sick, are bearing heavy toxic burdens, and have

severely compromised immune systems. Allopathic doctors like Miller

forget the most basic principles of health and disease because they do

not care to look into the realities of the patients they treat. They do

not want to take the time to understand weaknesses in patients because

they are eating too much sugar, are malnourished, are getting inadequate

rest or if they are suffering from intense emotional trauma. The flu

salesmen doctors and the CDC multiply the danger and risk of viruses

because without exaggerated stories flu vaccines just would not sell for

the virus is not dangerous in and of itself. The CDC deals with disease,

not health. They would not stop and think that patients who exercise

would be better protected from the dangers of flu then from patients who

took vaccines.

 

Jeffrey A. Woods, PhD., and graduate student Tom Lowder at

the Physical Fitness Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology, University of

Illinois, Urbana recently said just this, reporting that four consecutive

days of moderate exercise in mice after they were infected with influenza

protects them from dying, compared with mice that didn't exercise. Woods

and Lowder are reporting this October of 2004 their findings at the

American Physiological Society's 2004 Intersociety Meeting, showing that

20-week-old mice that had exercised had significantly (p=0.008) higher

survival rates (18 of 22) versus HCC of the same age (10 of 22). When all

EX mice (47) were compared with all HCC mice (48), EX had twice the

survival rate, 59% vs. 29.4% (p=0.003). They reported that none of the

variables (food/water intake, random activity or symptom severity) proved

to be reliable at predicting mortality.

 

The CDC states that 135 children died during the 2003-2004 flu

season.

59 of these children had received their flu shots.[8]

 

It's just too much for the CDC to suggest that patients

exercise and eat right. They would rather promote vaccines that contain

dangerous chemicals and inject that in babies than promote health. Dr.

Hugh Fundenburg, one of the most quoted biologist of our time, says that

if an individual has 5 consecutive flu shots his/her chance of developing

Alzheimer's Disease is 10 times greater than if they had 1, two or no

shots.[9] What it will do to babies given year after year is anyone's

guess and that is exactly what it is, a guess, an experiment, for no one

knows, for there have been no tests. Clearly no longitudinal study has

been made with babies on the effect of giving annual flu shots starting

from six months of age. With an already heavy childhood immunization

schedule in place, and with children carrying heavy burdens of toxins,

including mercury administered through other vaccines, it's a crap shoot

gamble on what will happen to the children under the CDC's rule with the

addition of the flu vaccine that contains thimerosal. Of course

experimenting with children or anyone else is against the laws of

humanity and certainly a serious breach of medical ethics.

 

 

The addition of the flu vaccine into the childhood

immunization schedule, loaded as it is with nasty chemicals like mercury,

aluminum and even formaldehyde, reveals the CDC's true colors as a

terrorist organization whose prime target is children. If not medical

terrorists we would have to see them as medically ignorant, or even

worse, medically insane. Medical terrorists fit the bill more correctly

because of their well known conflicts of interests with the major

pharmaceutical companies, meaning too many people in the medical

establishment benefit directly or indirectly from pharmaceutical profits.

The entire vaccine department at the CDC should be faced with Nuremberg

Trials for they are breaking the Nuremberg Code by administering the flu

vaccine to six month old babies starting this year, and every year

thereafter.[10] If eminent doctors warn against the serious effect of

consecutive flu shots to adults, imagine a newborn baby getting one each

year. What will happen to them after ten or twenty consecutive years of

receiving a vaccine to protect them from a virus that good nutrition,

vitamin C and exercise would protect them from?

 

 

The best news in medicine this year ends up being the Chiron

story. Approximately fifty million people and children will be spared 25

micrograms of mercury in the form of thimerosal this year. That's fifty

million less crimes against humanity. That's fifty million less assaults

on the nervous system for certainly thimerosal is nerve toxic even at

concentrations well below 25 micrograms. Dr. Julie L. Gerberding,

director of the Centers for Disease Control, speaking to congressional

representatives, said that, at best, the preservative may be eliminated

from the vaccine by 2009.[11] Can we hope for similar disasters at the

Chiron plant for the next five years in a row? After all, by the CDC's

own admission, the vaccine for the flu is not effective against the flu.

With 59 out of the 135 flu deaths this past year stemming from vaccinated

children, a case could be made to include the vaccine itself in the

etiology of influenza death. Many good doctors like Harold Buttram have

made excellent cases about how injections like this one diminish immune

strength and resistance[12] in children and adults alike. This is not

what anyone needs when entering yet another flu season.

Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

Executive Director

International Medical Veritas Association

http://www.imva.info

http://www.worldpsychology.net

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[1] BBC NEWS:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/3719990.stm

Published: 2004/10/07 05:02:24 GMT

 

[2] Wall Street Journal Online.

http://online.wsj.com/public/health

 

[3] McBean, Eleanor. Swine Flu Expose. 1977

http://www.whale.to/a/mcbean2.html

 

[4] BBC NEWS:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/3719990.stm

Published: 2004/10/07 05:02:24 GMT

 

[5] San Francisco Chronicle. Federal vaccine policy needs a

booster. Henry I. Miller. October 8, 2004

 

 

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2004/10/08

/EDGII94AI31.DTL & type=health

 

[6] CDC - http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/gen-info/pandemics.htm

 

[7] CDC - http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/0304season.htm

 

[8] CDC - op.cit.

 

[9] Dr. Fudenberg's comments are from his speech at the NVIC

International Vaccine Conference, Arlington VA September, 1997.

 

[10] Fisher, BL. Medical doctors operating America's forced

vaccination system both in military and civilian life would do well to

review the proceedings of The Doctor's Trial at Nuremberg after World War

II where medical doctors were tried for crimes against humanity. Whenever

medical doctors force medical interventions carrying a risk of injury or

death upon individuals without their voluntary informed consent, they are

violating the spirit and letter of the Nuremberg Code, which serves as a

guideline for the ethical

practice of modern medicine.

 

[11] The Hartford Courant. Getting Vaccine Changed Frustrates

Congress. October 6, 2004

 

[12] Buttram, Harold. Vaccinations and Immune Malfuntion. PA: The

Randolph Society Inc, 1987.

 

" I believe there is still something inherent in the fiber of America

worth saving, and that the fortunes of the entire world may well

ride on the ability of young Americans to face the responsibilities

of an old America gone mad. " ~~~~~Phil Ochs

 

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