Guest guest Posted May 10, 2000 Report Share Posted May 10, 2000 Helo guys, What's the difference between HAMR and TAPAS? Thanks, Maggie Wednesday, May 10, 2000 7:07 AM Digest Number 259 ------ Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry experiments. http://click./1/4051/5/_/148494/_/957956827/ ------ **************************************** Visit the community page at To from , send an email to - ------ There are 3 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Rebirthing Talks-withtrees 2. Re: Rebirthing " kimberlee " <berlee 3. Re: Re: antidepressants Caroline Abreu <crow ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Tue, 9 May 2000 19:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Talks-withtrees Re: Rebirthing Is this the same as ROLFING? http://community.webtv.net/Talks-withtrees/PrayerChain ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Wed, 10 May 2000 03:22:59 -0700 " kimberlee " <berlee Re: Rebirthing no. rolfing is bodywork using myofascial release to balance structure and restore range of motion and learn how to use movement more efficiently...hellerwork takes a step further by also integrating the awareness and release of emotional holding patterns as well. - <Talks-withtrees Tuesday, May 09, 2000 4:00 PM Re: Rebirthing Is this the same as ROLFING? http://community.webtv.net/Talks-withtrees/PrayerChain ------ Get paid for the stuff you know! Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site! http://click./1/2200/5/_/148494/_/957952563/ ------ **************************************** Visit the community page at To from , send an email to - ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Wed, 10 May 2000 06:34:43 -0400 Caroline Abreu <crow Re: Re: antidepressants Thanks, Diana, once more into the breach... I hate to wholesale any remarks on therapy; people are very individual, and while one person may be having a situational or temporary " crisis " type of depression, others may be having a very deepset or organic type that needs a " jump start " of some kind to help alleviate it or support its resolution. My beef is putting people on medication that are not getting valid counseling in addition to the change in their body chemistry. Unless the problem is strictly organic, most people have a reason to be depressed, and need to process it in one way or another, either by grieving loss or dealing with fear, anger, etc. For some, depression is the end result of a long fight with a stressful situation; Hans Selye talks about this " giving up " as part of the stress reaction, if resistance has worn down energy stores. Don't throw the baby away with the bath water, Dan... it is not usually the medications but the way they are utilized that is at fault; and that is a negligence issue. If you want a broad comparison, here's one for you... in indiginous societies that use hallucinogenics for journeying, they never use them in isolation or for recreation. The drugs have a serious spiritual aspect, and the people use them after training and guidance, and only within context in the presence of others. Perhaps if our society considered our psychotropic medications with half as much consideration, they would not have garnered such a poor reputation. I do think there are good herbals, food supplements, homeopathics and other complementary therapies for depression; there again, though, to paraphrase a quote, if you are your own doctor you have a fool for a patient. Use caution and be well educated if you choose to self medicate, because many of the over the counter herbals and other substances have no clear cut dosage, vary from brand to brand in strength, and have not been fully researched for side effects, cumulative effects, or interaction with other drugs you may be currently taking or foods you may be eating. You would be better off to find a good homeopath, naturopath, herbalist, etc. to guide you in these matters than attempting to take out your own appendix with a butter knife, if you get my drift. Blessings, Crow " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " --- Rev. Caroline Gutierrez Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH AIM: CaroCrow http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance " We see things not as they are but as we are. " The Talmud ______________________ ______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2000 Report Share Posted May 10, 2000 I'm sorry, TAT not TAPAS. sigh. See what happens when I try to read these when I'v just woken up!?!?! Maggie Wednesday, May 10, 2000 7:07 AM Digest Number 259 ------ Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry experiments. http://click./1/4051/5/_/148494/_/957956827/ ------ **************************************** Visit the community page at To from , send an email to - ------ There are 3 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Rebirthing Talks-withtrees 2. Re: Rebirthing " kimberlee " <berlee 3. Re: Re: antidepressants Caroline Abreu <crow ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Tue, 9 May 2000 19:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Talks-withtrees Re: Rebirthing Is this the same as ROLFING? http://community.webtv.net/Talks-withtrees/PrayerChain ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Wed, 10 May 2000 03:22:59 -0700 " kimberlee " <berlee Re: Rebirthing no. rolfing is bodywork using myofascial release to balance structure and restore range of motion and learn how to use movement more efficiently...hellerwork takes a step further by also integrating the awareness and release of emotional holding patterns as well. - <Talks-withtrees Tuesday, May 09, 2000 4:00 PM Re: Rebirthing Is this the same as ROLFING? http://community.webtv.net/Talks-withtrees/PrayerChain ------ Get paid for the stuff you know! Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site! http://click./1/2200/5/_/148494/_/957952563/ ------ **************************************** Visit the community page at To from , send an email to - ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Wed, 10 May 2000 06:34:43 -0400 Caroline Abreu <crow Re: Re: antidepressants Thanks, Diana, once more into the breach... I hate to wholesale any remarks on therapy; people are very individual, and while one person may be having a situational or temporary " crisis " type of depression, others may be having a very deepset or organic type that needs a " jump start " of some kind to help alleviate it or support its resolution. My beef is putting people on medication that are not getting valid counseling in addition to the change in their body chemistry. Unless the problem is strictly organic, most people have a reason to be depressed, and need to process it in one way or another, either by grieving loss or dealing with fear, anger, etc. For some, depression is the end result of a long fight with a stressful situation; Hans Selye talks about this " giving up " as part of the stress reaction, if resistance has worn down energy stores. Don't throw the baby away with the bath water, Dan... it is not usually the medications but the way they are utilized that is at fault; and that is a negligence issue. If you want a broad comparison, here's one for you... in indiginous societies that use hallucinogenics for journeying, they never use them in isolation or for recreation. The drugs have a serious spiritual aspect, and the people use them after training and guidance, and only within context in the presence of others. Perhaps if our society considered our psychotropic medications with half as much consideration, they would not have garnered such a poor reputation. I do think there are good herbals, food supplements, homeopathics and other complementary therapies for depression; there again, though, to paraphrase a quote, if you are your own doctor you have a fool for a patient. Use caution and be well educated if you choose to self medicate, because many of the over the counter herbals and other substances have no clear cut dosage, vary from brand to brand in strength, and have not been fully researched for side effects, cumulative effects, or interaction with other drugs you may be currently taking or foods you may be eating. You would be better off to find a good homeopath, naturopath, herbalist, etc. to guide you in these matters than attempting to take out your own appendix with a butter knife, if you get my drift. Blessings, Crow " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " --- Rev. Caroline Gutierrez Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH AIM: CaroCrow http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance " We see things not as they are but as we are. " The Talmud ______________________ ______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 I'd like to say to all of you arguing about treatment of cancer that we should all stop and take a deep breath here. Serenity is very important if you want to a) think clearly, and b) recover from an illness (or prevent yourself from becoming ill). Anger and aggression don't really play a part in message boards such as this. I think we're supposed to be here because we're searching for alternatives to the regular ways (according to modern society) of dealing with health issues. This means we should treat each other with love and respect for starters. If anyone is here for any other reasons, I would suggest they stop and analyse their need for aggression and argument. Sorry to hear that you have cancer Roger. I truly wish you well. If you're doing some research with a view to picking a treatment for yourself, you should go back a few decades and read a book by Max Gerson, called A Cancer Therapy: The Results of Fifty Cases. You'd also be well advised to read Linus Pauling's book How To Live Longer and Feel Better. There are many more relevant books for you, but these are an excellent jumping off point. Another name in the world of alternative treatments for cancer is Ann Wigmore. If you have emotional issues connected to your illness, you may also find anything by Deepak Chopra thought provoking. Don't laugh, but Yoga and deep breathing exercises really can help you overcome emotional stress. I fully expect you to react aggressively, many seriously ill people become aggressive. Remember, no one will know but you if you decide to take the advice here. :-) Wishing you all well, Patricia Skinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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