Guest guest Posted March 7, 2002 Report Share Posted March 7, 2002 In a message dated 3/7/02 9:23:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, ritabohn2001 writes: This was sent to me and I thought it important enough to share with all of you. Although it isn't "alternative" it is an improtant PREVENTIVE that we must all remember is our best key to a healthy life A Simple Test - CA-125 This is an urban legend. I did a google.com search and was sent to the urband legends page. The test exists, but also generates a lot of false positives. Check it out for yourselves. Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2002 Report Share Posted March 8, 2002 Hello, I have read your article here about ovarian cancer or Primary Peritoneal Cancer, and I have to say that it really touched me. Ovarian cancer runs in my family. The beginning of February I was hospitalized for what they told me was PID (pelvic inflammatory Disease.) It wasn't until the day I was discharged that they changed their diagnosis to having a cyst on my ovaries that somehow got infected. Strange I know but it's the truth. Symptoms are the same but a little more, a constant pain on my side, like a pinching went along with it. It has been over a month and I have not yet been too the doctors. They were all booked. But I have a follow up appointment on the 18th and after hearing your story I am going to insist that they do the CA-125 blood test. As I always say it's better safe then sorry. When it come to your health you are in charge. Go with your gut instinct and remember you can never be too pushy. As you did yourself. I hope everything gets better for you and thanks for sharing your information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2002 Report Share Posted March 8, 2002 Not sure I would consider this a complete "urban legend" .There are a lot of faults pos. in testing, but if you have a problem/symptems, I might ask my Dr. for the test "just in case". And like I said before preventive medicine is our best and cheapest medicine. Here is a note from a friend of mine about her experance 10 years ago with the CA 125. Yes, she does state that she didn't know it was being used for ovarian cancer, but like I said before, if you are presenting symptems this might be something to look at. That was one of the blood tests I took for years after my cancer---they, at that time, used it for follow up after breast cancer. During the course of five years, the recommend tests changed, so I don't remember if that was first used, or used towards the end. I had suggested to my high risk for breast cancer friends that, in addition to the monthly exams, and yearly GYN visits, then could go to an oncologist yearly (six months after the GYN) for an exam, and get a CA 125. That way they could detect anything early. Then years later, I read something about it be ing used for screening. But I have never heard about it being used for ovarian cancer--sounds like it is very versatile. It seems so easy for a doctor to recommend this. Hope Kathy will be okay--doesn't sound good. SiCanto wrote: In a message dated 3/7/02 9:23:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, ritabohn2001 writes: This was sent to me and I thought it important enough to share with all of you. Although it isn't "alternative" it is an improtant PREVENTIVE that we must all remember is our best key to a healthy life A Simple Test - CA-125 This is an urban legend. I did a google.com search and was sent to the urband legends page. The test exists, but also generates a lot of false positives. Check it out for yourselves. Cheryl **************************************************WWW.PEACEFULMIND.COM Sponsors Alternative Answers-HEALING NATURALLY- this is the premise of HOLISTIC HEALTH. Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at:http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments_frame.htm__________-To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them:http://www./members_add _________To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://www./links___________Community email addresses: Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______Shortcut URL to this page: http://www. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 " ...cancer runs in my family. " I was just discussing this aspect of the cancer industries indoctrination of us with a RN yesterday. We are led to believe that because our " family " has a " history " that we are " prone " to also having the same problems that our family history has shown exists from our genealogical origins. They call it hereditary, I call it appalling. While it is true that genetics can play a role, genetics are generally not the determining factor of whether we will or will not suffer from a disease. I am appalled at the medical community that is promoting this falacy as truth, creating such fear in the minds of some women that they elect to go under the knife and be mutilated by having their breasts removed by these so called doctors, just because there's a " history " in their family of breast cancer. Another now popular example is the gall bladder removal epidemic. Stones are formed because of acidic conditions, not because of a gall bladder. Removing the gall bladder will not prevent gall stones from forming again. Unless there is a lifestyle change, the only difference is that the next time that person gets stones the gall bladder just won't be there, not even considering the problems associated with not having it. We make lifestyle choices, and many times they are identical to what we grew up with so it's not wonder traits run in families. We all have cancer cells in our bodies, so technically we all have cancer. The problem only arises when these cancer cells become malignant - multiply out of control. The first symptom is usually a tumor. We should be thankful that our bodies are letting us know that our immune system is suppressed, that it is concentrating the cancerous cells in one location in the form of a tumor, giving us a warning signal that we should be doing something about the problem we're developing before we're completely immunosuppressed with no nope of recovery. The presence of a tumor is a warning signal, not a death warrant. But, no, the first thing the doctors want to do is cut us open, add more toxins and poisons into our system further supressing an already supressed immune system, and then burn and suppress our immune system even further. A few people walk away from these modalities, and the doctors call it successful. Would you fly with an airline that had only a 20% success rate of getting you there. I sure as hell wouldn't, and I wouldn't fly with the doctor's airline today either. One survey I read of several years ago taken of these very doctors who administer the toxic poisons into other people's bodies showed the majority wouldn't take the same stuff themselves if they were diagnosed with cancer. Interesting? It's particularly so considering the answer to cancer has been known for over 70 years. Dr. Otto Warburg received 2 Nobel Prizes for his research. His conclusions proved that cancer cannot survive in a alkali. He also showed that a plain, simple, and easy remedy was to alkalize which would raise the level of oxygen, but it wasn't a very profitable prospect for the emerging controlled medical establishment as there was no way to patent such a universally available process. Instead of promoting the discovery, they have done everything within their powers, which are considerable, to suppress the truth. We now have and FDA, NIH, CDC, etc., etc., in collusion with the pharmaceutical industry and the medical associations lying to the public. Dr. Linus Pauling went on in further research and stated that " Every sickness can be traced to a mineral deficiency " . And what is it that minerals do in our bodies? They are the sparkplugs that ignite every other process. Without them vitamins are useless. It would be much the same as having an automobile engine that has the best of everything in it, including the fuel supply, but there are no sparkplugs to let it run. Minerals are also regulators of pH and minerals determine the alkaline/acid balance in the body. Too acidic, and we develop the western diseases. Oxygen is driven out of an acidic environment. Oxygen is attracted to an alkaline environment. The 1 cent health test of taking a pH strip and periodically checking your pH is a great way to inexpensively and effectively test the pH of your body. I've seen Stage IV cancer patients who the doctors said were terminal, reversed. Diabetes, gone. Hepatitis, gone. Gastrointestinal problems, gone. In fact I still have body parts the doctors said I had to have removed years ago, and they're in perfect order. As Dr. Lorraine Day says, " Cancer doesn't scare me anymore " , and I continue - and neither does much of anything else, except the doctors who are brainwashed by the pharmaceutical industrial complex that has grown a Sick-Care Industry, rather than one that promotes Health-Care. That said, I do have tests run periodically to check my health condition. Several months ago I had blood tests done that showed that my A1C hemoglobin levels were high - long term blood sugar. 4 months later they were within normal range again. What did I do? I took the minerals that target blood sugar problems. Doctors can't heal us, only our body can, and only when it has the right building blocks to work with. Regards, Doug _____ The four leading causes of (EARLY?) death in the U.S. in order are: 1. Heart Disease 2. Cancer 3. Diabetes 4. Properly taken prescribed medications 1 - 2 - 3. I don't smoke, I don't drink I do use water-soluble ion-sized minerals and vitamins to alkalize, cleanse and oxygenate. Dr. Linus Pauling said, " Every sickness can be traced to a mineral deficiency. " Most minerals available today are ground up rocks and only get into the body, but not into the cells. They are not elemental; they are too large; they can potentially cause damage. 4. I don't go to doctors. LEARN more ABOUT currently accepted MYTHS & TRUTHS regarding health http://www.coconut-info.com http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com http://www.westonaprice.org http://www.cureamerica.net http://www.polymva.com http://www.drday.com http://www.909shot.com No Rights for a Child Diagnosed with Cancer http://www.whale.to/v/horwin1.html _________________________________ http://www.nefx.com/dho1216 Cancer research led to the discovery of beneficial side effects. ELIMINATE WRINKLES, CELLULITE, and MUCH MORE http://www.eniva.com/members/18141 Water soluble minerals , JBUTKA1@C... wrote: > Hello, I have read your article here about ovarian cancer or Primary > Peritoneal Cancer, and I have to say that it really touched me. Ovarian > cancer runs in my family. The beginning of February I was hospitalized for , JBUTKA1@C... wrote: > Hello, I have read your article here about ovarian cancer or Primary > Peritoneal Cancer, and I have to say that it really touched me. Ovarian > cancer runs in my family. The beginning of February I was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 FYI Subject:Massive Multinational Assault on Alternative Medicines Monday, May 05, 2003 8:43 PM Fw: Massive Multinational Assault on Alternative Medicines Massive Multinational Assault on Alternative Medicines Australians deliberately denied access to more than one thousand products ranging from vitamin pills to multi-mineral supplements Copyright Joe Vialls, 2 May 2003 Web: Vialls Home From this ... .... to this ... .... to this ... In less than seven days! " The ever-compliant media immediately started circulating rumors about " that dangerous Travacalm " , and hinted at mixing machines not being cleaned properly between blending batches of different products. One former employee was produced on television, to state that he was only allowed one hour to clean his mixing machine between batches instead of three hours, and that was that. The media fix was in, despite a total lack of evidence. " Under cover of the fake " SARS Crisis " currently saturating the western media, Australia's Therapeutic Goods Administration has suddenly moved to outlaw and remove from store shelves about 80% of all vitamin and other related alternative products. Although less than a week ago customers were happily buying everything from vitamin A to G, and enthusiastically chewing every conceivable mineral and trace element, these same customers today face empty shelves in more than 5,000 health food stores across the nation. American and European readers who may be wondering " What has this Australian stuff got to do with me? " are urged to read on a little further. Australia is well known as a gullible and thus attractive proving ground for multinational scams, meaning that what happens in Oz this week, might well serve as a foretaste of what is yet to come in America and Europe next week, or next month, or even next year. The extraordinary situation facing Australians today, started at the beginning of this week, when the Therapeutic Goods Administration [TGA] suddenly decided to cancel the manufacturing license of Pan Pharmaceuticals, a large Australian company which not only manufactures its own line of medicines, but also provides a manufacturing service for 80% of all alternative goods providers across Australia. Basically then, by shutting down Pan Pharmaceuticals without just cause, the TGA ensured that alternative health goods purveyors and customers would be critically disadvantaged across the entire nation. To suggest [or even think] that the TGA action was deliberately designed to shut down natural health products in favor of the huge pharmaceutical multinationals and their coal-tar synthetic drugs, at first seems ill advised, perhaps even absurd. But unfortunately for the TGA, we can and will prove in a proper step-by-step investigation, that the shutdown process was premeditated and deliberate. Members of the Therapeutic Goods Administration are Australia's medical goods " thought police " , endowed by government with incredible powers. There are documented examples of these people shutting down retail health food businesses for daring to suggest that cheap apricot kernels might retard [not " cure " ] cancer, while at the same time other members of the TGA were busy endorsing the massive use of highly-addictive and extremely profitable amphetamines on Australian children, with alleged but unproven " learning disorders " . Every scam needs a convincing trigger to start the desired chain of events. In the case of Pan Pharmaceuticals the trigger was an in-house medicine called " Travacalm " , designed as its name suggests to combat motion sickness in its various manifestations. The TGA allegedly received complaints in late 2002 about this medicine, including claims of minor " hallucinations " . In an apparent response to these uncorroborated claims, on 21 January 2003 Travacalm Original tablets AUST R 78192 were recalled, with the official reason given as " The product is being recalled following a number of reports of excess side effects related to the active ingredient. " Fine so far, and the TGA certainly seemed to be acting responsibly, but it was not. You see, there are actually three versions of Travacalm, but only the " Original " version was recalled. Travacalm Original is unique in its active ingredient dimenhydrinate, which is not contained in Travacalm H.O [hyoscine hydrobromide], or in Travacalm Natural, which contains only zingiber officinale [natural ginger]. So by banning Travacalm Original but not the other two Travacalm products, the TGA revealed to us all that it was really only banning the single ingredient dimenhydrinate, the active antihistamine not present in either the H.O. or Natural versions of Travacalm. There is nothing unique or secret about the side effects of dimenhydrinate, which have been known for many years. Users can be subject to headache, blurred vision, palpitations, loss of coordination, dry mouth, low blood pressure causing dizziness and weakness, and ringing in the ears. What are less widely known, are the disturbing hallucinogenic side effects of dimenhydrinate experienced by many experimental users with access to the Internet. A good description is posted at http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/legalize/drugs/dimenhydrinate/ " It takes about an hour for the full effects of this drug to be reached, maybe even more. You know when it hits you though. The most screwed up thing is a complete loss of balance. Walking around without falling on your ass is quite the challenge. Small hallucinations are possible (your pen sprouts legs and begins a journey across your desk). And auditory hallucinations (hearing s.) come into the picture at higher doses. " Short-term memory is shot to f.. As soon as you finish a thought, you forget what it was you were thinking about. To the casual observer, you would look quite weird. Slack-jawed, red faced, dilated pupils, possibly a hunched posture, maybe even drooling. The feeling is like floating on a cloud during a hurricane (or something to that effect). " Obviously then, all medications including dimenhydrinate are potentially very dangerous and capable of producing hallucinations, which leads us to question why it was that on 21 January 2003, the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration recalled only Pan Pharmaceutical's Travacalm Original, while leaving other medicines with higher levels of dimenhydrinate on the open market. These other dimenhydrinate medicines include [but are not limited to] Calm X, Dimetabs, Dinate, Dommanate, Dramamine, Dramanate, Dramocen, Dramoject, Dymenate, Hydrate, Marmine, Nico-Vert, Tega-Vert, Triptone, and Vertab. All without exception should also have been ordered off the shelves, but were not. Predictably perhaps, all of the other dimenhydrinate medicines are manufactured by pharmaceutical multinationals " friendly " to members of the Therapeutic Goods Administration, and unconfirmed rumors still persist about certain senior TGA bureaucrats being discreetly provided with free " medical seminars " in Fiji or Bali, complete with all essential extras including unlimited alcohol and prostitutes. Regardless of the fine detail of exactly how this situation was engineered, by February 2003 Australian Pan Pharmaceuticals had been artificially " dirtied " , and was ripe for the picking. The scene had been set for the biggest recall of natural health products in Australia - perhaps in the world. The scam itself started on Monday 28 April, and a mere four days later on Thursday 1 May, the TGA had identified and ordered 1,363 complete product lines to be stripped from store shelves acros Australia. Does anyone out there really believe that a bunch of lazy bureaucrats managed all that in four days, without considerable forward planning? So by Thursday 1 May, one thousand three hundred and sixty-three complete product lines had been officially recalled, meaning hundreds of millions of alternative health pills and capsules had to be stripped from the shelves, leaving Australian consumers understandably anxious. To claim that this TGA action " undermined public confidence in alternative health " , would be seriously understating the case. Naturally the Therapeutic Goods Administration provided no details of why this was happening, though the ever-compliant media immediately started circulating rumors about " that dangerous Travacalm " , and hinted at mixing machines not being cleaned properly between blending batches of different products. One former employee was produced on television, to state that he was only allowed one hour to clean his mixing machine between batches instead of three hours, and that was that. The media fix was in, despite a total lack of evidence. Hundreds of thousands of Australians were suddenly deprived of the ability to buy their chosen alternative health products, and " doubt " had also been deliberately cast over the safety of the alternative health products already in their homes. Many Australians started to grumble that the alternative health manufacturers were no better than the hated drug companies: all of them obviously out to make a quick buck without the slightest regard for public safety. Lines of demarcation became blurred, and customers started to mill around like lost sheep. Hard evidence to hand indicates that the undermining of public confidence, and the resulting confusion, were the prime object of the exercise, because there is no proof that any of these 1,363 product lines pose the slightest risk to human health. Ironically perhaps, in its headlong rush to shepherd Australians back towards out-of-fashion medical doctors and their wide range of synthetic coal-tar based drugs, the Therapeutic Goods Administration reinforced the reality of perfect safety with official statements. Putting its foot firmly in its mouth, the TGA publicly announced three times in less than a week, " there are no problems with prescription drugs obtained from your doctor " , and " prescription drugs are not affected " . This was unquestionably reassuring news for potential patients being herded back towards the medical profession, and even greater news for the pharmaceutical multinationals, who up to this point in history have been losing A$2,000 million per year in Australia alone to alternative health products. Unfortunately there was a fatal flaw in these glib and very convenient TGA statements. Though Pan Pharmaceuticals is best known for its own alternative health products, and as a contract manufacturer for 80% of all other alternative health products across Australia, it is also a significant producer of a wide range of in-house and contract " prescription drugs " . Those prescription drugs manufactured by Pan are still in your doctor's surgery, and they are still on the shelves at the pharmacy, despite the startling fact that all were produced in the same allegedly " unclean " mixing machines as the 1,363 banned alternative health products. In summary, the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration recalled a Pan dimenhydrinate product in January 2003 but failed to recall its fifteen multinational equivalents at the same time. The TGA also failed to issue a public warning about the possible hallucinogenic side effects of dimenhydrinate. In late April the Therapeutic Goods Administration started a whispering campaign against Pan Pharmaceuticals, with the intent of severely undermining public confidence in alternative health products. This latter claim has now been proved by the selective TGA recall of all 1,363 Pan Pharmaceutical alternative health products, but without the recall of a single Pan Pharmaceutical " prescription medicine " . It is difficult to forecast the long-term outcome of this deliberate campaign, because no one yet knows what the multinational pharmaceutical corporations will instruct the Australian TGA to do next. Certainly the massed media campaign has already severely undermined Australian public confidence in alternative health products, and for a few weeks or months it will be very difficult [in some cases impossible], to even purchase fresh stocks of vitamins, minerals and so on. In turn, this forced lack of trade will send thousands of small alternative health retails outlets into bankruptcy. Using these techniques, the multinational pharmaceuticals seek to " break the alternative consumer habit " if possible, and to an extent they will be successful. The " hard core " alternative crowd will not respond of course, and if necessary will import their own products, but it is not the " hard core " that the multinationals seek to undermine. It is " middle " Australia [and America and Europe] that the multinationals are targeting. Millions of intelligent folk who used to go to medical doctors all the time, until they started to pick up the warning signs of the horrific side-effects of prescription medicines. These are the people who must be weaned off healthy products, and brought back under direct medical control. The fake Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration scam will certainly help to do this, and if only 50% effective, should still return roughly one billion dollars per annum to multinational pharmaceutical investors. Not a bad return for the price of a few hookers in Fiji and Bali. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Hi Jan: I'm a transplanted Aussie living in the US. I read the report about this " dreadful " vitamin company in an Australian e-Newspaper that I receive and just knew it was all a witch hunt! You are right, seems like this onslaught by the pharmaceuticals is going to be world wide from what I'm reading here on this list. We have a tough fight ahead of us! Thanks for posting! Evonne - Jan Jenson <vizual Sunday, May 11, 2003 8:03 PM [s-A] fyi FYI Subject:Massive Multinational Assault on Alternative Medicines Monday, May 05, 2003 8:43 PM Fw: Massive Multinational Assault on Alternative Medicines Massive Multinational Assault on Alternative Medicines Australians deliberately denied access to more than one thousand products ranging from vitamin pills to multi-mineral supplements Copyright Joe Vialls, 2 May 2003 Web: Vialls Home From this ... ... to this ... ... to this ... In less than seven days! " The ever-compliant media immediately started circulating rumors about " that dangerous Travacalm " , and hinted at mixing machines not being cleaned properly between blending batches of different products. One former employee was produced on television, to state that he was only allowed one hour to clean his mixing machine between batches instead of three hours, and that was that. The media fix was in, despite a total lack of evidence. " Under cover of the fake " SARS Crisis " currently saturating the western media, Australia's Therapeutic Goods Administration has suddenly moved to outlaw and remove from store shelves about 80% of all vitamin and other related alternative products. Although less than a week ago customers were happily buying everything from vitamin A to G, and enthusiastically chewing every conceivable mineral and trace element, these same customers today face empty shelves in more than 5,000 health food stores across the nation. American and European readers who may be wondering " What has this Australian stuff got to do with me? " are urged to read on a little further. Australia is well known as a gullible and thus attractive proving ground for multinational scams, meaning that what happens in Oz this week, might well serve as a foretaste of what is yet to come in America and Europe next week, or next month, or even next year. The extraordinary situation facing Australians today, started at the beginning of this week, when the Therapeutic Goods Administration [TGA] suddenly decided to cancel the manufacturing license of Pan Pharmaceuticals, a large Australian company which not only manufactures its own line of medicines, but also provides a manufacturing service for 80% of all alternative goods providers across Australia. Basically then, by shutting down Pan Pharmaceuticals without just cause, the TGA ensured that alternative health goods purveyors and customers would be critically disadvantaged across the entire nation. To suggest [or even think] that the TGA action was deliberately designed to shut down natural health products in favor of the huge pharmaceutical multinationals and their coal-tar synthetic drugs, at first seems ill advised, perhaps even absurd. But unfortunately for the TGA, we can and will prove in a proper step-by-step investigation, that the shutdown process was premeditated and deliberate. Members of the Therapeutic Goods Administration are Australia's medical goods " thought police " , endowed by government with incredible powers. There are documented examples of these people shutting down retail health food businesses for daring to suggest that cheap apricot kernels might retard [not " cure " ] cancer, while at the same time other members of the TGA were busy endorsing the massive use of highly-addictive and extremely profitable amphetamines on Australian children, with alleged but unproven " learning disorders " . Every scam needs a convincing trigger to start the desired chain of events. In the case of Pan Pharmaceuticals the trigger was an in-house medicine called " Travacalm " , designed as its name suggests to combat motion sickness in its various manifestations. The TGA allegedly received complaints in late 2002 about this medicine, including claims of minor " hallucinations " . In an apparent response to these uncorroborated claims, on 21 January 2003 Travacalm Original tablets AUST R 78192 were recalled, with the official reason given as " The product is being recalled following a number of reports of excess side effects related to the active ingredient. " Fine so far, and the TGA certainly seemed to be acting responsibly, but it was not. You see, there are actually three versions of Travacalm, but only the " Original " version was recalled. Travacalm Original is unique in its active ingredient dimenhydrinate, which is not contained in Travacalm H.O [hyoscine hydrobromide], or in Travacalm Natural, which contains only zingiber officinale [natural ginger]. So by banning Travacalm Original but not the other two Travacalm products, the TGA revealed to us all that it was really only banning the single ingredient dimenhydrinate, the active antihistamine not present in either the H.O. or Natural versions of Travacalm. There is nothing unique or secret about the side effects of dimenhydrinate, which have been known for many years. Users can be subject to headache, blurred vision, palpitations, loss of coordination, dry mouth, low blood pressure causing dizziness and weakness, and ringing in the ears. What are less widely known, are the disturbing hallucinogenic side effects of dimenhydrinate experienced by many experimental users with access to the Internet. A good description is posted at http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/legalize/drugs/dimenhydrinate/ " It takes about an hour for the full effects of this drug to be reached, maybe even more. You know when it hits you though. The most screwed up thing is a complete loss of balance. Walking around without falling on your ass is quite the challenge. Small hallucinations are possible (your pen sprouts legs and begins a journey across your desk). And auditory hallucinations (hearing s.) come into the picture at higher doses. " Short-term memory is shot to f.. As soon as you finish a thought, you forget what it was you were thinking about. To the casual observer, you would look quite weird. Slack-jawed, red faced, dilated pupils, possibly a hunched posture, maybe even drooling. The feeling is like floating on a cloud during a hurricane (or something to that effect). " Obviously then, all medications including dimenhydrinate are potentially very dangerous and capable of producing hallucinations, which leads us to question why it was that on 21 January 2003, the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration recalled only Pan Pharmaceutical's Travacalm Original, while leaving other medicines with higher levels of dimenhydrinate on the open market. These other dimenhydrinate medicines include [but are not limited to] Calm X, Dimetabs, Dinate, Dommanate, Dramamine, Dramanate, Dramocen, Dramoject, Dymenate, Hydrate, Marmine, Nico-Vert, Tega-Vert, Triptone, and Vertab. All without exception should also have been ordered off the shelves, but were not. Predictably perhaps, all of the other dimenhydrinate medicines are manufactured by pharmaceutical multinationals " friendly " to members of the Therapeutic Goods Administration, and unconfirmed rumors still persist about certain senior TGA bureaucrats being discreetly provided with free " medical seminars " in Fiji or Bali, complete with all essential extras including unlimited alcohol and prostitutes. Regardless of the fine detail of exactly how this situation was engineered, by February 2003 Australian Pan Pharmaceuticals had been artificially " dirtied " , and was ripe for the picking. The scene had been set for the biggest recall of natural health products in Australia - perhaps in the world. The scam itself started on Monday 28 April, and a mere four days later on Thursday 1 May, the TGA had identified and ordered 1,363 complete product lines to be stripped from store shelves acros Australia. Does anyone out there really believe that a bunch of lazy bureaucrats managed all that in four days, without considerable forward planning? So by Thursday 1 May, one thousand three hundred and sixty-three complete product lines had been officially recalled, meaning hundreds of millions of alternative health pills and capsules had to be stripped from the shelves, leaving Australian consumers understandably anxious. To claim that this TGA action " undermined public confidence in alternative health " , would be seriously understating the case. Naturally the Therapeutic Goods Administration provided no details of why this was happening, though the ever-compliant media immediately started circulating rumors about " that dangerous Travacalm " , and hinted at mixing machines not being cleaned properly between blending batches of different products. One former employee was produced on television, to state that he was only allowed one hour to clean his mixing machine between batches instead of three hours, and that was that. The media fix was in, despite a total lack of evidence. Hundreds of thousands of Australians were suddenly deprived of the ability to buy their chosen alternative health products, and " doubt " had also been deliberately cast over the safety of the alternative health products already in their homes. Many Australians started to grumble that the alternative health manufacturers were no better than the hated drug companies: all of them obviously out to make a quick buck without the slightest regard for public safety. Lines of demarcation became blurred, and customers started to mill around like lost sheep. Hard evidence to hand indicates that the undermining of public confidence, and the resulting confusion, were the prime object of the exercise, because there is no proof that any of these 1,363 product lines pose the slightest risk to human health. Ironically perhaps, in its headlong rush to shepherd Australians back towards out-of-fashion medical doctors and their wide range of synthetic coal-tar based drugs, the Therapeutic Goods Administration reinforced the reality of perfect safety with official statements. Putting its foot firmly in its mouth, the TGA publicly announced three times in less than a week, " there are no problems with prescription drugs obtained from your doctor " , and " prescription drugs are not affected " . This was unquestionably reassuring news for potential patients being herded back towards the medical profession, and even greater news for the pharmaceutical multinationals, who up to this point in history have been losing A$2,000 million per year in Australia alone to alternative health products. Unfortunately there was a fatal flaw in these glib and very convenient TGA statements. Though Pan Pharmaceuticals is best known for its own alternative health products, and as a contract manufacturer for 80% of all other alternative health products across Australia, it is also a significant producer of a wide range of in-house and contract " prescription drugs " . Those prescription drugs manufactured by Pan are still in your doctor's surgery, and they are still on the shelves at the pharmacy, despite the startling fact that all were produced in the same allegedly " unclean " mixing machines as the 1,363 banned alternative health products. In summary, the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration recalled a Pan dimenhydrinate product in January 2003 but failed to recall its fifteen multinational equivalents at the same time. The TGA also failed to issue a public warning about the possible hallucinogenic side effects of dimenhydrinate. In late April the Therapeutic Goods Administration started a whispering campaign against Pan Pharmaceuticals, with the intent of severely undermining public confidence in alternative health products. This latter claim has now been proved by the selective TGA recall of all 1,363 Pan Pharmaceutical alternative health products, but without the recall of a single Pan Pharmaceutical " prescription medicine " . It is difficult to forecast the long-term outcome of this deliberate campaign, because no one yet knows what the multinational pharmaceutical corporations will instruct the Australian TGA to do next. Certainly the massed media campaign has already severely undermined Australian public confidence in alternative health products, and for a few weeks or months it will be very difficult [in some cases impossible], to even purchase fresh stocks of vitamins, minerals and so on. In turn, this forced lack of trade will send thousands of small alternative health retails outlets into bankruptcy. Using these techniques, the multinational pharmaceuticals seek to " break the alternative consumer habit " if possible, and to an extent they will be successful. The " hard core " alternative crowd will not respond of course, and if necessary will import their own products, but it is not the " hard core " that the multinationals seek to undermine. It is " middle " Australia [and America and Europe] that the multinationals are targeting. Millions of intelligent folk who used to go to medical doctors all the time, until they started to pick up the warning signs of the horrific side-effects of prescription medicines. These are the people who must be weaned off healthy products, and brought back under direct medical control. The fake Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration scam will certainly help to do this, and if only 50% effective, should still return roughly one billion dollars per annum to multinational pharmaceutical investors. Not a bad return for the price of a few hookers in Fiji and Bali. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Thank you Jan for posting this, and thank you Evonne for confirming it... Yes, I think this is going to be a world wide and very nasty fight to destroy alternative sources of vitamins & supplements. But these tactics only work if people don't understand the machinations behind them... We here in the states are not immune, but we are in a better position. As with the organic issue, if we do not lay idle, we can make a difference. But we need to start taking action while we still can. If this speaks to you, please pass all information regarding the global as well as local threats, as well as examples of how the media is used to foster fear to allow these things to take place, far and wide, and especially to those who are not already in the know. If we can reach more of the " mainstream " type of people and tell them to look out for false scares such as these, they will have a better chance of seeing these things for what they are- a pharmaceutical ploy to undermine and destroy its competition. And when, not if, this comes to the states, hopefully fear will not prevail, but instead the general public will laugh at such ludicrous claims, because they will see these maneuvers for what they are. And instead of giving into the fear they will stand up and demand their right to choose be preserved. Not that we have to wait that long to start contacting our government representatives and let them know we see what is going on globally, and we won't stand for it. We demand to keep our access to vitamins, minerals & supplements- and we want our voices to be heard. Just perhaps an ounce of prevention is indeed worth a pound of cure! Be Well, Misty http://www..com , " Jan Jenson <vizual@b...> " <vizual@b...> wrote: > > > FYI > Subject:Massive Multinational Assault on Alternative Medicines > > Monday, May 05, 2003 8:43 PM > Fw: Massive Multinational Assault on Alternative Medicines > > Massive Multinational Assault > on Alternative Medicines > > Australians deliberately denied access to more than one thousand > products ranging from vitamin pills to multi-mineral supplements > > Copyright Joe Vialls, 2 May 2003 > > Web: Vialls Home > > > > > From this ... > ... to this ... > ... to this ... > In less than seven days! " The ever-compliant media immediately > started circulating rumors about " that dangerous Travacalm " , and hinted at > mixing machines not being cleaned properly between blending batches of > different > products. One former employee was produced on television, to state that he > was > only allowed one hour to clean his mixing machine between batches instead of > three hours, and that was that. The media fix was in, despite a total lack > of > evidence. " > Under cover of the fake " SARS Crisis " currently saturating > the western media, Australia's Therapeutic Goods Administration has suddenly > moved to outlaw and remove from store shelves about 80% of all vitamin and > other > related alternative products. Although less than a week ago customers were > happily buying everything from vitamin A to G, and enthusiastically chewing > every conceivable mineral and trace element, these same customers today face > empty shelves in more than 5,000 health food stores across the nation. > American and European readers who may be wondering " What > has this Australian stuff got to do with me? " are urged to read on a little > further. Australia is well known as a gullible and thus attractive proving > ground for multinational scams, meaning that what happens in Oz this week, > might > well serve as a foretaste of what is yet to come in America and Europe next > week, or next month, or even next year. > The extraordinary situation facing Australians today, > started at the beginning of this week, when the Therapeutic Goods > Administration > [TGA] suddenly decided to cancel the manufacturing license of Pan > Pharmaceuticals, a large Australian company which not only manufactures its > own > line of medicines, but also provides a manufacturing service for 80% of all > alternative goods providers across Australia. Basically then, by shutting > down > Pan Pharmaceuticals without just cause, the TGA ensured that alternative > health > goods purveyors and customers would be critically disadvantaged across the > entire nation. > To suggest [or even think] that the TGA action was > deliberately designed to shut down natural health products in favor of the > huge > pharmaceutical multinationals and their coal-tar synthetic drugs, at first > seems > ill advised, perhaps even absurd. But unfortunately for the TGA, we can and > will > prove in a proper step-by-step investigation, that the shutdown process was > premeditated and deliberate. > Members of the Therapeutic Goods Administration are > Australia's medical goods " thought police " , endowed by government with > incredible powers. There are documented examples of these people shutting > down > retail health food businesses for daring to suggest that cheap apricot > kernels > might retard [not " cure " ] cancer, while at the same time other members of > the > TGA were busy endorsing the massive use of highly-addictive and extremely > profitable amphetamines on Australian children, with alleged but unproven > " learning disorders " . > Every scam needs a convincing trigger to start the desired > chain of events. In the case of Pan Pharmaceuticals the trigger was an > in-house > medicine called " Travacalm " , designed as its name suggests to combat motion > sickness in its various manifestations. The TGA allegedly received > complaints > in > late 2002 about this medicine, including claims of minor " hallucinations " . > In > an apparent response to these uncorroborated claims, on 21 January 2003 > Travacalm Original tablets AUST R 78192 were recalled, with the official > reason > given as " The product is being recalled following a number of reports of > excess > side effects related to the active ingredient. " > Fine so far, and the TGA certainly seemed to be acting > responsibly, but it was not. You see, there are actually three versions of > Travacalm, but only the " Original " version was recalled. Travacalm Original > is > unique in its active ingredient dimenhydrinate, which is not contained in > Travacalm H.O [hyoscine hydrobromide], or in Travacalm Natural, which > contains > only zingiber officinale [natural ginger]. > > So by banning Travacalm Original but not the other two > Travacalm products, the TGA revealed to us all that it was really only > banning > the single ingredient dimenhydrinate, the active antihistamine not present > in > either the H.O. or Natural versions of Travacalm. > There is nothing unique or secret about the side effects of > dimenhydrinate, which have been known for many years. Users can be subject > to > headache, blurred vision, palpitations, loss of coordination, dry mouth, low > blood pressure causing dizziness and weakness, and ringing in the ears. What > are > less widely known, are the disturbing hallucinogenic side effects of > dimenhydrinate experienced by many experimental users with access to the > Internet. A good description is posted at > http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/legalize/drugs/dimenhydrinate/ > " It takes about an hour for the full effects of this drug to > be reached, maybe even more. You know when it hits you though. The most > screwed > up thing is a complete loss of balance. Walking around without falling on > your > ass is quite the challenge. Small hallucinations are possible (your pen > sprouts > legs and begins a journey across your desk). And auditory hallucinations > (hearing s.) come into the picture at higher doses. > " Short-term memory is shot to f.. As soon as you finish a > thought, you forget what it was you were thinking about. To the casual > observer, > you would look quite weird. Slack-jawed, red faced, dilated pupils, possibly > a > hunched posture, maybe even drooling. The feeling is like floating on a > cloud > during a hurricane (or something to that effect). " > Obviously then, all medications including dimenhydrinate > are potentially very dangerous and capable of producing hallucinations, > which > leads us to question why it was that on 21 January 2003, the Australian > Therapeutic Goods Administration recalled only Pan Pharmaceutical's > Travacalm > Original, while leaving other medicines with higher levels of dimenhydrinate > on > the open market. > These other dimenhydrinate medicines include [but are not > limited to] Calm X, Dimetabs, Dinate, Dommanate, Dramamine, Dramanate, > Dramocen, > Dramoject, Dymenate, Hydrate, Marmine, Nico-Vert, Tega-Vert, Triptone, and > Vertab. All without exception should also have been ordered off the shelves, > but > were not. > Predictably perhaps, all of the other dimenhydrinate > medicines are manufactured by pharmaceutical multinationals " friendly " to > members of the Therapeutic Goods Administration, and unconfirmed rumors > still > persist about certain senior TGA bureaucrats being discreetly provided with > free > " medical seminars " in Fiji or Bali, complete with all essential extras > including > unlimited alcohol and prostitutes. > Regardless of the fine detail of exactly how this situation > was engineered, by February 2003 Australian Pan Pharmaceuticals had been > artificially " dirtied " , and was ripe for the picking. The scene had been set > for > the biggest recall of natural health products in Australia - perhaps in the > world. The scam itself started on Monday 28 April, and a mere four days > later > on Thursday 1 May, the TGA had identified and ordered 1,363 complete product > lines to be stripped from store shelves acros Australia. Does anyone out > there > really believe that a bunch of lazy bureaucrats managed all that in four > days, > without considerable forward planning? > > So by Thursday 1 May, one thousand three hundred and > sixty-three complete product lines had been officially recalled, meaning > hundreds of millions of alternative health pills and capsules had to be > stripped > from the shelves, leaving Australian consumers understandably anxious. To > claim > that this TGA action " undermined public confidence in alternative health " , > would > be seriously understating the case. > Naturally the Therapeutic Goods Administration provided no > details of why this was happening, though the ever-compliant media > immediately > started circulating rumors about " that dangerous Travacalm " , and hinted at > mixing machines not being cleaned properly between blending batches of > different > products. One former employee was produced on television, to state that he > was > only allowed one hour to clean his mixing machine between batches instead of > three hours, and that was that. The media fix was in, despite a total lack > of > evidence. > Hundreds of thousands of Australians were suddenly deprived > of the ability to buy their chosen alternative health products, and " doubt " > had > also been deliberately cast over the safety of the alternative health > products > already in their homes. Many Australians started to grumble that the > alternative > health manufacturers were no better than the hated drug companies: all of > them > obviously out to make a quick buck without the slightest regard for public > safety. Lines of demarcation became blurred, and customers started to mill > around like lost sheep. > Hard evidence to hand indicates that the undermining of > public confidence, and the resulting confusion, were the prime object of the > exercise, because there is no proof that any of these 1,363 product lines > pose > the slightest risk to human health. Ironically perhaps, in its headlong rush > to > shepherd Australians back towards out-of-fashion medical doctors and their > wide > range of synthetic coal-tar based drugs, the Therapeutic Goods > Administration > reinforced the reality of perfect safety with official statements. > Putting its foot firmly in its mouth, the TGA publicly > announced three times in less than a week, " there are no problems with > prescription drugs obtained from your doctor " , and " prescription drugs are > not > affected " . This was unquestionably reassuring news for potential patients > being > herded back towards the medical profession, and even greater news for the > pharmaceutical multinationals, who up to this point in history have been > losing > A$2,000 million per year in Australia alone to alternative health products. > Unfortunately there was a fatal flaw in these glib and very > convenient TGA statements. Though Pan Pharmaceuticals is best known for its > own > alternative health products, and as a contract manufacturer for 80% of all > other > alternative health products across Australia, it is also a significant > producer > of a wide range of in-house and contract " prescription drugs " . Those > prescription drugs manufactured by Pan are still in your doctor's surgery, > and > they are still on the shelves at the pharmacy, despite the startling fact > that > all were produced in the same allegedly " unclean " mixing machines as the > 1,363 > banned alternative health products. > In summary, the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration > recalled a Pan dimenhydrinate product in January 2003 but failed to recall > its > fifteen multinational equivalents at the same time. The TGA also failed to > issue > a public warning about the possible hallucinogenic side effects of > dimenhydrinate. In late April the Therapeutic Goods Administration started a > whispering campaign against Pan Pharmaceuticals, with the intent of severely > undermining public confidence in alternative health products. This latter > claim > has now been proved by the selective TGA recall of all 1,363 Pan > Pharmaceutical > alternative health products, but without the recall of a single Pan > Pharmaceutical " prescription medicine " . > It is difficult to forecast the long-term outcome of this > deliberate campaign, because no one yet knows what the multinational > pharmaceutical corporations will instruct the Australian TGA to do next. > Certainly the massed media campaign has already severely undermined > Australian > public confidence in alternative health products, and for a few weeks or > months > it will be very difficult [in some cases impossible], to even purchase fresh > stocks of vitamins, minerals and so on. In turn, this forced lack of trade > will > send thousands of small alternative health retails outlets into bankruptcy. > Using these techniques, the multinational pharmaceuticals > seek to " break the alternative consumer habit " if possible, and to an extent > they will be successful. The " hard core " alternative crowd will not respond > of > course, and if necessary will import their own products, but it is not the > " hard > core " that the multinationals seek to undermine. > It is " middle " Australia [and America and Europe] that the > multinationals are targeting. Millions of intelligent folk who used to go to > medical doctors all the time, until they started to pick up the warning > signs > of > the horrific side-effects of prescription medicines. These are the people > who > must be weaned off healthy products, and brought back under direct medical > control. > The fake Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration scam > will certainly help to do this, and if only 50% effective, should still > return > roughly one billion dollars per annum to multinational pharmaceutical > investors. > Not a bad return for the price of a few hookers in Fiji and Bali. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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