Guru Baba

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What Swami says.....

 

Bhaktha: Until we understand the reality of Paramatma, it is important, they say, to be in the company of the great and the good and also to have a Guru. Are these necessary?Swami: Of course, the company of the great and the good is necessary. To make that reality known to you, a Guru too is important. But, in this matter, you should be very careful. Genuine Gurus are scarce these days. Cheats have multiplied and teachers have retreated into solitude, in order to realise themselves undisturbed. There are many genuine Gurus but they cannot be secured easily. Even if you get them, you must thank your destiny if they vouchsafe to you more that one single Sadvakya; they won't spend time telling you all kinds of stories! There should be no hurry in the search for a Guru.

Bhaktha: But, nowadays, some great big persons are granting Upadesa to all who ask; are these not Sadgurus, Swami?Swami: I won't say they are or they are not. I declare only this: It is not the sign of a Sadguru to grant Upadesa to any and every person who comes to him with praise, without considering the past and the future, without discovering the qualifications of the pupil and testing whether he is fit.

Bhaktha: Then Swami, I have committed a blunder! When one great person arrived at our village, and when all were receiving Upadesa from him, I too went and prostrated before him and asked him for it. He granted me a good Upadesa; I repeated the Manthra for some time, but, soon, I came to know that the great person was a cheat. Since that day, I lost faith in the name he gave me; I gave up Manthra. Was this wrong? Or, am I right?Swami: Do you doubt the right and wrong of this? It is very wrong. Just as the Guru, as I told you now, examines the qualifications of the disciple, the disciple too has to critically examine the credentials of the Guru before receiving Upadesa. Your first mistake was that you did not pay attention to this but hastily accepted Upadesa. Well, even if the Guru gave it without the

necessary qualification, why did you break your vow and stop repeating the name? That is the second mistake: casting the fault of another on the sacred name of God. Before receiving Upadesa, you should have taken time and known his genuineness and enveloped faith in him. Then, when the desire to accept him as Guru emerged, you should have received the Upadesa. But, once you accept, you must repeat it, whatever the difficulty; you should not give it up. Otherwise, you commit the wrong of accepting without deliberation and rejecting without deliberation. That wrong will be on your head. You should accept a name when you are still afflicted by doubt or a name which you do not prefer. Having accepted, you should not give it up.

Bhaktha: If the disciple acts according to the promise made to the Guru, irrespective of what the Guru may turn out to be, and honours him as before, can he realise the goal?Swami: Certainly, what doubt is there? Don't you know the story of Ekalavya? Though Dronacharya did not accept him as his disciple, he installed an image and took it as Dronacharya himself; revering as such, he learnt archery and achieved mastery of all arts. Finally, when the Guru, blinded by injustice, asked for his right thumb as his fees, he offered if gladly. Did Ekalavya take to heart the injury done by the Guru?

Bhaktha: Well, what is past is past. Hereafter at least I shall hold fast and try not to discard the name. Please grant me Upadesa yourself.Swami: Your attitude is just like that of the person who, after having witnessed the Ramayana being enacted throughout the night, asked some one at daybreak how Rama was related to Sita! I was telling you that the Guru and the Upadesa will come when your qualifications ripen. It will come by itself. There is no need for you to ask! Really speaking, the disciple should not ask for Upadesa on his own. He cannot be aware of his being ripe for it. The Guru will be watching for the proper moment and he will himself bless and help. You should not get Upadesa more than once. It is not repeatable. If you give up one Upadesa and take up another, whenever you feel like it, you

will be like a married woman gone astray.

SAIRAM

FROM Sandeha Nivarini: Clearance of Spiritual Doubts

[Guest guest]

Sai Ram. Normally I don't forward the mails from other groups but this message

is quite timely. The message given by Baba (Swami - Sri Satya Sai Baba) is in

consonance with what Sri Guru taught in Sri Guru Charitra and what Sri Sai

showed through His conduct with pseudo Guru Jawahar Ali, as mentioned in Sri Sai

Satcharitra.

 

In fact, I was sharing a similar message with another friend recently in the

context of some unsavory incidents being reported in the media about some

spiritual Gurus. I was advising my friend to separate the message from the

messenger. The real Guru (God) may use even a pseudo Guru to convey some

important and useful message! Name of the God is sacred and supreme, whatever be

the source, just as pure water is recovered by filtration, distillation etc.

 

What is needed is Sraddha (Faith) and Saburi (Patience) in God / Guru.

 

His servant

 

 

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mr saisam <sathyam9992004

saibabanews

Mon, March 15, 2010 3:19:04 PM

[saibabanews] Guru Baba

 

 

What Swami says.....

 

Bhaktha:Until we understand the reality of Paramatma, it is important, they say,

to be in the company of the great and the good and also to have a Guru. Are

these necessary?

Swami: Of course, the company of the great and the good is necessary. To make

that reality known to you, a Guru too is important. But, in this matter, you

should be very careful. Genuine Gurus are scarce these days. Cheats have

multiplied and teachers have retreated into solitude, in order to realise

themselves undisturbed. There are many genuine Gurus but they cannot be secured

easily. Even if you get them, you must thank your destiny if they vouchsafe to

you more that one single Sadvakya; they won't spend time telling you all kinds

of stories! There should be no hurry in the search for a Guru.

Bhaktha:But, nowadays, some great big persons are granting Upadesa to all who

ask; are these not Sadgurus, Swami?

Swami: I won't say they are or they are not. I declare only this: It is not the

sign of a Sadguru to grant Upadesa to any and every person who comes to him with

praise, without considering the past and the future, without discovering the

qualifications of the pupil and testing whether he is fit.

Bhaktha:Then Swami, I have committed a blunder! When one great person arrived at

our village, and when all were receiving Upadesa from him, I too went and

prostrated before him and asked him for it. He granted me a good Upadesa; I

repeated the Manthra for some time, but, soon, I came to know that the great

person was a cheat. Since that day, I lost faith in the name he gave me; I gave

up Manthra. Was this wrong? Or, am I right?

Swami: Do you doubt the right and wrong of this? It is very wrong. Just as the

Guru, as I told you now, examines the qualifications of the disciple, the

disciple too has to critically examine the credentials of the Guru before

receiving Upadesa. Your first mistake was that you did not pay attention to this

but hastily accepted Upadesa. Well, even if the Guru gave it without the

necessary qualification, why did you break your vow and stop repeating the name?

That is the second mistake: casting the fault of another on the sacred name of

God. Before receiving Upadesa, you should have taken time and known his

genuineness and enveloped faith in him. Then, when the desire to accept him as

Guru emerged, you should have received the Upadesa. But, once you accept, you

must repeat it, whatever the difficulty; you should not give it up. Otherwise,

you commit the wrong of accepting without deliberation and rejecting without

deliberation. That wrong will be on your

head. You should accept a name when you are still afflicted by doubt or a name

which you do not prefer. Having accepted, you should not give it up.

Bhaktha: If the disciple acts according to the promise made to the Guru,

irrespective of what the Guru may turn out to be, and honours him as before, can

he realise the goal?

Swami: Certainly, what doubt is there? Don't you know the story of Ekalavya?

Though Dronacharya did not accept him as his disciple, he installed an image and

took it as Dronacharya himself; revering as such, he learnt archery and achieved

mastery of all arts. Finally, when the Guru, blinded by injustice, asked for his

right thumb as his fees, he offered if gladly. Did Ekalavya take to heart the

injury done by the Guru?

Bhaktha:Well, what is past is past. Hereafter at least I shall hold fast and try

not to discard the name. Please grant me Upadesa yourself.

Swami: Your attitude is just like that of the person who, after having witnessed

the Ramayana being enacted throughout the night, asked some one at daybreak how

Rama was related to Sita! I was telling you that the Guru and the Upadesa will

come when your qualifications ripen. It will come by itself. There is no need

for you to ask! Really speaking, the disciple should not ask for Upadesa on his

own. He cannot be aware of his being ripe for it. The Guru will be watching for

the proper moment and he will himself bless and help. You should not get Upadesa

more than once. It is not repeatable. If you give up one Upadesa and take up

another, whenever you feel like it, you will be like a married woman gone

astray.

SAIRAM

FROM Sandeha Nivarini: Clearance of Spiritual Doubts