Guest guest Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 " Alex " <new_jalsomino Sun Dec 6, 2009 11:18 pm Re: Climate change and Vedam chanting I have Baba's very good quote about global warming, but, sorry: He doesn't mention Vedam chanting as means to convert CO2 back into oxygen in this quote.. Baba encourages Veda chanting, yes: but only as means to purify our minds and minds of others, so that we (and others) start understanding reasons of global warming, and start acting propertly to stop the last. I can mail quote and link. ---------- katta jayaprakash Reddy <drjpreddy Mon Dec 7, 2009 4:54 am RE: [saibabanews] Climate change and Vedam chanting Sairam, Swami has been stressing every one to recite vedam, the Rudram in particular.Swami has started the regular recitation of vedam at Prashanthi nilayam since a log time so that every devotee follow Swami. All the members of Sri Sathya Sai Seva organisations in India and centres abroad are requested to begin classes to train the devotees for the regular recitation of Vedam once or twice in a week.All the devotees who participate in regular daily or weekly bhajans of the organisation in their cities,towns and villages must recite vedam,the Rudram in particular either at the begining or end of the bhajan sessions as group recitation gives good results.Even if one cannot recite in the bhajan sessions, atleast the cassette or CD of vedam must be played every day in their homes as even listening to vedam is also beneficial.By reciting vedam regularly by every one the climate change and global warming will be prevented and the entire globe will be peaceful without calamities of any kind. Sairam, In Sai Seva, JP Reddy. ---------- Mangala Ramprakash <gamsetmach Mon Dec 7, 2009 10:10 am Re: [saibabanews] Climate change and Vedam chanting Sai Ram, You might find this interesting: http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/aug1/consciouswater.html ========== saibabanews , narayanan uma <nara_uma2003 wrote: > > Sai Ram, > > As the world leaders congregate at Copenhagen to discuss the ways and means of reducing Carbon emissions, I feel there is a need to highlight the effectiveness of Vedam chanting in removing the toxicity in our environs and purifying the atomsphere. > > Swami gives so much stress to Vedas and Yagyas and there is definitely a very positive co-relation between these and their effects on environmental re-generation. It's is pertinent now that more data and statisics be made available to establish the importance of Vedas in our collective endevour to save our planet. This is important because, in all the debates and discussions leading towards this summit, there had hardly been any attempt to highlight the importance of this ancient wisdom which could be " The Solution " to this intractable problem. > > I would request all the group members to contribute by ways of highlighting Swami's quotes on the subject and also publicizing any empirical data supporting this. > > Sai Ram > Narayanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 " brie " <bw9 Wed Dec 9, 2009 2:20 pm Re: [saibabanews] Re: Climate change and Vedam chanting " I have Baba's very good quote about global warming I can mail quote and link. " That would be great can you send it to the group? I would be very interested in reading it. Sai Ram ---------- Venugopal Ramamurthy <venugopal_ramamurthy Cc: nobleman53 Wed Dec 9, 2009 7:45 pm Re: [saibabanews] Re: Climate change and Vedam chanting SAIRAM Tanks for messages. Vedas passed on by web of mouth. Swamy the Physical Incarnate has given us all the opportunity to see him,hear him and follow if we can his teachings . Quoates innumerable , left to the perception, knowledgelevels and the Will (past lives} Every individual is different . I like this quote four stages in man’s life , boyhood, youth, middle age, old age, so too, there are four stages of his acquisition of wisdom 1. To be trained by parents, teachers, elders, being led, guided, regulated, warned, reprimanded. 2. To be eager to establish happiness and justice in society, to know the world, it’s worth and values. 3. To pour out energies to reform, reconstruct the human community 4. The realization that the world is beyond redemption by human effort, that one can at best save oneself. ---------- " Alex " <new_jalsomino Wed Dec 9, 2009 7:17 pm Re: Climate change and Vedam chanting Om Sai Ram, I'm a saientist-biologist, who is focused on problem of green habitat restoration in Indonesia, particularly - in Bali, where we also have biggest Sai-mandir in South-East Asia. No doubts: Vedam chanting, including Sri Rudram from Yajur Veda, is extremely important. When we started learn in detail Sri Rudram with our boys few months ago, we became amazed at the meaning of slokas.. Because all these years I tried to prevent at least Sai-devotees from destroying Nature.. And my biggest problem was the lack of evidence that saving Nature and serving ALL beings is no less important than building houses etc. for poor people. In other terms, I had very hard time in explaining that " LOVE ALL " means more than " Love people only " .. And now: as we read Rudram - we see that it is full of evidences, especially 2-nd anuvaka.. We sing these shlokas now, and we excplain meaning to our friends: other devotees in Bali. Sri Rudram portraits Rudra (Lord Siva) as King of all plants, crops, animals, as protector of all Nature etc. Lord Shiva is in fact pure Love. He is Love for ALL Nature (because Parvathi, or Uma is ALL NATURE, not only humanity, but also plant world, animal world etc.). Siva is not destroyer, as some old texts mistakenly portrait Him (I have a quotes where Bhagavan points on this mistake).. The only thing that Rudra (Siva) destroys is our narrow-mindedness, or ignorance, which forces us to pollute Nature and to kill living beings. Baba's point of giving us Sri Rudram is to arm us with powerful tool to save our planet! And I've also heard of good news that Swami recently announced new " Sai-green generation program " . That is so wonderful indeed.. Please mail me link if you know where is this news published (new_jalsomino @ yah......). I used to have difficult times here in Indonesia, due to all devotees didn't want to believe in need to love Nature. But now - thanks Swami - less and less devotees make obstacles to our program in Indonesia, and more and more of them are starting to value it and cooperate. We've planted 84 NATIVE trees in Bali on Baba's Birthday: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2023483 & id=1249912977 & l=dd902f6767 (A Rudram (1-st anuvaka) was sang immediately before we planted them: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30395872 & l=4e3b5be770 & id=1249912977 ). I'm getting requests for mentioned Swami's quote from devotees (who mailed me directly). Please find the quote of Swmai in my paper dedicated to PROPER REFORESTATION in Bali, where I base: http://sai-alex.ucoz.ru/site_pages/reforestation/justific_refor_engl_part1.html You will also find link to dynamic images of arctic ice shell collapse there. As a Sai-biologist, I must add that planting ANY trees - as means of saving planet - is rather useless undertake. We must plant only LOCAL (native) trees in each location. We must plant only on spoiled land. We must not BUY ready trees, but plant them all from seeds (if we buy, there is risk that these tree-babies are taken from forest by seller.. Thus, by paying him, we destroy forest). We must plant not rows of thousands trees of a same species, but, instead - we must plant a complex and charming combinations of as many their species as possible. Such forest will be stable! Contrary, if we plant foreign trees, they might later die (under wheather changing circumstances, parasites attacks etc.), especially when all plantation is consisted of 1-2 tree species only. If you need paper on professional reforestation, we have one in Indonesian and one in English languages respectivelly. Welcome to request it from us. For those who lives in Bali, we also have seeds and small trees: everything is free of charge. Sai Ram www.sai-alex.ucoz.ru ---------- narayanan uma <nara_uma2003 Wed Dec 9, 2009 9:10 pm Re: [saibabanews] Re: Climate change and Vedam chanting Sai Ram. I will be happy to get the link and Baba's quote. Narayanan ---------- Srinivas Vaddiparti <s.vaddiparti Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:52 pm Re: [saibabanews] Re: Climate change and Vedam chanting Sai Ram Brothers and Sisters My thoughts are also shared along with our sai brothers and sisters. I dont know whether our beloved Baba mentioned this or not, It stuck to me(grace of Baba)to mention it hear that when an Yajnam has been performed with reciting vedam and using various ingrediants in the hawan, said to bring rains, purify weather. The ingrediants used in Hawan like pure cow ghee, wood from certain plants, and other materials act as catalysing factors to bring changes in weather and bring rains, and ward away the natural calamities. Any how Vedam / rudram / creates positive vibrations and, sound is also a form of energy. It is certain that for changing any thing, a devine intervention is required. Without Baba's will, even a small ant cannot bite (a saying in telugu) What we know is vegetation is only a solution to reduce co2 in the atmosphere. To reduce global warming, plant more trees and reduce CO2 emmissions - this is in physical world, we can do. There is always a Devine play behind every thing. I pray to my beloved Baba to keep the universe and earth as a safe place to live for all living beings. Samasta lokaa sukhino bhavantu om shanti shanti shanti hi ========== saibabanews , " saibabanews_webmaster " <saibaba_news wrote: > > " Alex " <new_jalsomino > Sun Dec 6, 2009 11:18 pm > Re: Climate change and Vedam chanting > > I have Baba's very good quote about global warming, but, sorry: He doesn't > mention Vedam chanting as means to convert CO2 back into oxygen in this quote.. > Baba encourages Veda chanting, yes: but only as means to purify our minds and > minds of others, so that we (and others) start understanding reasons of global > warming, and start acting propertly to stop the last. > I can mail quote and link. > > ---------- > > katta jayaprakash Reddy <drjpreddy > Mon Dec 7, 2009 4:54 am > RE: [saibabanews] Climate change and Vedam chanting > > Sairam, > Swami has been stressing every one to recite vedam, the Rudram in particular.Swami has started the regular recitation of vedam at Prashanthi nilayam since a log time so that every devotee follow Swami. > All the members of Sri Sathya Sai Seva organisations in India and centres abroad are requested to begin classes to train the devotees for the regular recitation of Vedam once or twice in a week.All the devotees who participate in regular daily or weekly bhajans of the organisation in their cities,towns and villages must recite vedam,the Rudram in particular either at the begining or end of the bhajan sessions as group recitation gives good results.Even if one cannot recite in the bhajan sessions, atleast the cassette or CD of vedam must be played every day in their homes as even listening to vedam is also beneficial.By reciting vedam regularly by every one the climate change and global warming will be prevented and the entire globe will be peaceful without calamities of any kind. > > Sairam, > In Sai Seva, > > JP Reddy. > > ---------- > > Mangala Ramprakash <gamsetmach > Mon Dec 7, 2009 10:10 am > Re: [saibabanews] Climate change and Vedam chanting > > Sai Ram, > You might find this interesting: > http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/aug1/consciouswater.html > > ========== > > saibabanews , narayanan uma <nara_uma2003@> wrote: > > > > Sai Ram, > > > > As the world leaders congregate at Copenhagen to discuss the ways and means of reducing Carbon emissions, I feel there is a need to highlight the effectiveness of Vedam chanting in removing the toxicity in our environs and purifying the atomsphere. > > > > Swami gives so much stress to Vedas and Yagyas and there is definitely a very positive co-relation between these and their effects on environmental re-generation. It's is pertinent now that more data and statisics be made available to establish the importance of Vedas in our collective endevour to save our planet. This is important because, in all the debates and discussions leading towards this summit, there had hardly been any attempt to highlight the importance of this ancient wisdom which could be " The Solution " to this intractable problem. > > > > I would request all the group members to contribute by ways of highlighting Swami's quotes on the subject and also publicizing any empirical data supporting this. > > > > Sai Ram > > Narayanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Sai Ram all,To put it simple: I have no doubts that by Vedas chanting CO2 can be converted back into our favorite oxygen, and that rains can fall down (few times may be) in accordance with season, and also many other manifestations can be seen as result of Vedam chanting. But, alas: these all will be only temporary, short-term results.. Let us remember one famous question that some devotee once put to Baba: "Swami, as God, why don't you create green happy gardens all throughout this suffering planet?" Swami replied: "Surely, by mere wave of My hand I can do it. But what for? People still at such level of consciousness, that they will soon spoil this garden of joy and return Earth back into present ruined condition."So, dear devotees: by Vedam chanting we must purify our minds only. The point is that it is OUR CONSCIOUSNESS that shell be purified and uplifted (in parts - by chanting and understanding Veda) first. Because to heal the disease, a good doctor heals the root of it and not the external manifestations. And Swami is best Doctor of Nature! He decided that to heal the planet He will - first of all - heal (purify) our minds. Next step, according to His plan: we will use our cleaner minds and our own divine hands to establish a Paradise Garden on Earth. We will become instruments by which God will plant His Graden of Eden. (Simple logic, isn't it: when we do something by our won hands, we value it more.. )To start action, everyone must analyze very correctly and very exactly: what really happens with the climate and why and how to heal the environment properly!Aum Sai Ram, thanks all dear devotees for suggestions and ideas. Below is again the quote from Swami about DISASTER that threatens the Earth if we not prevent further CO2 emission:"Because of the advance of technology, several factories have sprung up, causing emission of harmful gases in the atmosphere and resulting in the ozone layer becoming thinner. If this goes on unchecked, it may have disastrous consequences. Scientists are trying to stop the breakup of the ozone layer but are unable to find a remedy. The cause of this situation is that more carbon dioxide is being let into the atmosphere. Normally, plants and trees absorb and assimilate the carbon dioxide and supply oxygen by the natural process of photosynthesis. But because there is deforestation to an alarming extent, the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has considerably increased. The remedy for this situation is intensive afforestation, growing more trees everywhere, and protecting the existing trees without destroying them for other purposes. The relationship of man, nature, and God is very intimate, which scientists may not be able to realize".http://www.sathyasai.org/organize/z1reg01/tehehn/treeplanting.html The quote is quite old (as you will see by following link). Some years are lost.. So now the IMMEDIATE actions are required. Please see my previous post where I go into details of PROPER reforestation and welcome to ask questions.saibabanews , "saibabanews_webmaster" <saibaba_news wrote:>> "brie" bw9 > Wed Dec 9, 2009 2:20 pm > Re: [saibabanews] Re: Climate change and Vedam chanting > > "I have Baba's very good quote about global warming > I can mail quote and link." > > That would be great can you send it to the group? I would be very interested in reading it.> > Sai Ram > > ----------> > > Venugopal Ramamurthy venugopal_ramamurthy > Cc: nobleman53 > Wed Dec 9, 2009 7:45 pm > Re: [saibabanews] Re: Climate change and Vedam chanting > > SAIRAM> Tanks for messages.> Vedas passed on by web of mouth.> Swamy the Physical Incarnate has given us all the opportunity to see him,hear him and follow if we can his teachings .> Quoates innumerable , left to the perception, knowledgelevels and the Will (past lives}> Every individual is different .> I like this quote> > four stages in man’s life , boyhood, youth, middle age, old age, so too, there are four stages of his acquisition of wisdom> > 1. To be trained by parents, teachers, elders, being led, guided, regulated, warned, reprimanded.> 2. To be eager to establish happiness and justice in society, to know the world, it’s worth and values.> 3. To pour out energies to reform, reconstruct the human community> 4. The realization that the world is beyond redemption by human effort, that one can at best save oneself. > > ----------> > "Alex" new_jalsomino > Wed Dec 9, 2009 7:17 pm > Re: Climate change and Vedam chanting > > Om Sai Ram,> I'm a saientist-biologist, who is focused on problem of green habitat> restoration in Indonesia, particularly - in Bali, where we also have biggest> Sai-mandir in South-East Asia.> No doubts: Vedam chanting, including Sri Rudram from Yajur Veda, is extremely> important. When we started learn in detail Sri Rudram with our boys few months> ago, we became amazed at the meaning of slokas.. Because all these years I tried> to prevent at least Sai-devotees from destroying Nature.. And my biggest problem> was the lack of evidence that saving Nature and serving ALL beings is no less> important than building houses etc. for poor people. In other terms, I had very> hard time in explaining that "LOVE ALL" means more than "Love people only".. And> now: as we read Rudram - we see that it is full of evidences, especially 2-nd> anuvaka.. We sing these shlokas now, and we excplain meaning to our friends:> other devotees in Bali. Sri Rudram portraits Rudra (Lord Siva) as King of all> plants, crops, animals, as protector of all Nature etc. Lord Shiva is in fact> pure Love. He is Love for ALL Nature (because Parvathi, or Uma is ALL NATURE,> not only humanity, but also plant world, animal world etc.). Siva is not> destroyer, as some old texts mistakenly portrait Him (I have a quotes where> Bhagavan points on this mistake).. The only thing that Rudra (Siva) destroys is> our narrow-mindedness, or ignorance, which forces us to pollute Nature and to> kill living beings. Baba's point of giving us Sri Rudram is to arm us with> powerful tool to save our planet! And I've also heard of good news that Swami> recently announced new "Sai-green generation program". That is so wonderful> indeed.. Please mail me link if you know where is this news published> (new_jalsomino @ yah......). I used to have difficult times here in Indonesia,> due to all devotees didn't want to believe in need to love Nature. But now -> thanks Swami - less and less devotees make obstacles to our program in> Indonesia, and more and more of them are starting to value it and cooperate.> We've planted 84 NATIVE trees in Bali on Baba's Birthday:> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2023483 & id=1249912977 & l=dd902f6767 (A> Rudram (1-st anuvaka) was sang immediately before we planted them:> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30395872 & l=4e3b5be770 & id=1249912977 ).> I'm getting requests for mentioned Swami's quote from devotees (who mailed me> directly). Please find the quote of Swmai in my paper dedicated to PROPER> REFORESTATION in Bali, where I base:> http://sai-alex.ucoz.ru/site_pages/reforestation/justific_refor_engl_part1.html> You will also find link to dynamic images of arctic ice shell collapse there.> As a Sai-biologist, I must add that planting ANY trees - as means of saving> planet - is rather useless undertake. We must plant only LOCAL (native) trees in> each location. We must plant only on spoiled land. We must not BUY ready trees,> but plant them all from seeds (if we buy, there is risk that these tree-babies> are taken from forest by seller.. Thus, by paying him, we destroy forest). We> must plant not rows of thousands trees of a same species, but, instead - we must> plant a complex and charming combinations of as many their species as possible.> Such forest will be stable! Contrary, if we plant foreign trees, they might> later die (under wheather changing circumstances, parasites attacks etc.),> especially when all plantation is consisted of 1-2 tree species only.> If you need paper on professional reforestation, we have one in Indonesian and> one in English languages respectivelly. Welcome to request it from us.> For those who lives in Bali, we also have seeds and small trees: everything is> free of charge.> > Sai Ram> www.sai-alex.ucoz.ru> > ----------> > narayanan uma nara_uma2003 > Wed Dec 9, 2009 9:10 pm > Re: [saibabanews] Re: Climate change and Vedam chanting > > Sai Ram.> > I will be happy to get the link and Baba's quote.> > Narayanan > > ----------> > Srinivas Vaddiparti s.vaddiparti > Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:52 pm > Re: [saibabanews] Re: Climate change and Vedam chanting> > Sai Ram Brothers and Sisters> My thoughts are also shared along with our sai brothers and sisters.> I dont know whether our beloved Baba mentioned this or not, It stuck to me(grace of Baba)to mention it hear that when an Yajnam has been performed with reciting vedam and using various ingrediants in the hawan, said to bring rains, purify weather. The ingrediants used in Hawan like pure cow ghee, wood from certain plants, and other materials act as catalysing factors to bring changes in weather and bring rains, and ward away the natural calamities. > Any how Vedam / rudram / creates positive vibrations and, sound is also a form of energy. It is certain that for changing any thing, a devine intervention is required.> Without Baba's will, even a small ant cannot bite (a saying in telugu)> What we know is vegetation is only a solution to reduce co2 in the atmosphere. To reduce global warming, plant more trees and reduce CO2 emmissions - this is in physical world, we can do. > There is always a Devine play behind every thing. I pray to my beloved Baba to keep the universe and earth as a safe place to live for all living beings.> Samasta lokaa sukhino bhavantu> om shanti shanti shanti hi> > ==========> > saibabanews , "saibabanews_webmaster" saibaba_news@ wrote:> >> > "Alex" new_jalsomino@ > > Sun Dec 6, 2009 11:18 pm > > Re: Climate change and Vedam chanting > > > > I have Baba's very good quote about global warming, but, sorry: He doesn't> > mention Vedam chanting as means to convert CO2 back into oxygen in this quote..> > Baba encourages Veda chanting, yes: but only as means to purify our minds and> > minds of others, so that we (and others) start understanding reasons of global> > warming, and start acting propertly to stop the last.> > I can mail quote and link.> > > > ----------> > > > katta jayaprakash Reddy drjpreddy@ > > Mon Dec 7, 2009 4:54 am > > RE: [saibabanews] Climate change and Vedam chanting > > > > Sairam,> > Swami has been stressing every one to recite vedam, the Rudram in particular.Swami has started the regular recitation of vedam at Prashanthi nilayam since a log time so that every devotee follow Swami.> > All the members of Sri Sathya Sai Seva organisations in India and centres abroad are requested to begin classes to train the devotees for the regular recitation of Vedam once or twice in a week.All the devotees who participate in regular daily or weekly bhajans of the organisation in their cities,towns and villages must recite vedam,the Rudram in particular either at the begining or end of the bhajan sessions as group recitation gives good results.Even if one cannot recite in the bhajan sessions, atleast the cassette or CD of vedam must be played every day in their homes as even listening to vedam is also beneficial.By reciting vedam regularly by every one the climate change and global warming will be prevented and the entire globe will be peaceful without calamities of any kind.> > > > Sairam,> > In Sai Seva,> > > > JP Reddy.> > > > ----------> > > > Mangala Ramprakash gamsetmach@ > > Mon Dec 7, 2009 10:10 am > > Re: [saibabanews] Climate change and Vedam chanting > > > > Sai Ram,> > You might find this interesting:> > http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/aug1/consciouswater.html> > > > ==========> > > > saibabanews , narayanan uma <nara_uma2003@> wrote:> > >> > > Sai Ram,> > > > > > As the world leaders congregate at Copenhagen to discuss the ways and means of reducing Carbon emissions, I feel there is a need to highlight the effectiveness of Vedam chanting in removing the toxicity in our environs and purifying the atomsphere. > > > > > > Swami gives so much stress to Vedas and Yagyas and there is definitely a very positive co-relation between these and their effects on environmental re-generation. It's is pertinent now that more data and statisics be made available to establish the importance of Vedas in our collective endevour to save our planet. This is important because, in all the debates and discussions leading towards this summit, there had hardly been any attempt to highlight the importance of this ancient wisdom which could be "The Solution" to this intractable problem.> > > > > > I would request all the group members to contribute by ways of highlighting Swami's quotes on the subject and also publicizing any empirical data supporting this.> > > > > > Sai Ram> > > Narayanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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