Past life Sadhanas (spiritually motivated efforts) or born with passion

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2 Sep 2009

 

Sai Ram dear brothers and sisters

 

My understanding is that

 

1. Whatever

we get in this life is due to our own Prarabdha Karma (the Karma to

fructify and exhaust in this life time)

2. Prarabdha

Karma is the withdrawal of some Karma from the Sanchita Karma

(accumulated Karmas since our very first existence) only for this life time

3. We do

not have choice of choosing Prarabdha Karma. The method seems to be

automatic. Each and every Karma has to fructify or say manifest when the

conditions are appropriate

4. But

we end up building more Karmas when exhausting Prarabdha Karma. Say due

to my some good Karmas I win lottery worth a few million dollars. This is

called Prarabdha Karma, or karma being fructified. Now I have got the

money in hand. How do I react to this Fruit (money) builds up more Karma,

called Kriyaman Karma. In nutshell, Kriyaman Karma is any action (through

thoughts, words and deeds) what we are doing now in this life time

5. Somewhere

I read Swami’s quotes, ‘Karma is your reaction to the fruit

of the action’.

6. If

somebody become President or holds any high post is absolutely Karmic.

7. Spiritual

Sadhanas are for getting one with God, for realizing SELF. I don’t

think one can say that one has become President due to solely Spiritual Sadhana,

there has to be Karmic consequence.

 

Love

 

Ravinder Grover

 

 

 

 

saibabanews [saibabanews ] On Behalf

Of Soumendra Bhattacharjee

Tuesday, September 01, 2009 2:33 PM

saibabanews

[saibabanews] Past life Sadhanas (spiritually motivated

efforts) or born with passion

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sai Ram brother's and sister's ,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I heard some spiritual talk which was aired on Faith

channel - now some holy sages declared that people who are born in royal

families or have become President of the country is due to their past lives

Sadhanas. He also reiterated that we don't know how much sadhana they did in

their past lives ? that is why they are rewarded in this life which

they are not aware of and they are born with exceptional power and fame.

 

 

 

 

 

Now my question is how come we don't see any

spiritualism in them in this life ? how come they forget spirituality

? instead get immersed in materialism,power ,lust etc - bit confusing,

or they are born in that Genes ? what is it ?

 

 

 

 

 

Did our Lord Swami mention anything like this ?

somehow I couldn't agree with this holy sage( with due respect ).

 

 

 

 

 

Your input is greatly appreciated - great devotees of our

Lord Sri Sathya Sai.

 

 

 

 

 

Samastha Loka Sukhino Bhavanthu

 

 

 

 

 

Sai Ram

 

 

 

 

 

Soumendra

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sai Ram. What the holy sage talked is in conformance with Lord Krishna's teachings in Bhagawad Gita, about Yoga Bhrashta.In the spiritual path, the sadhaka gets diverted from the goal by materialistic desires sometimes. In such cases, they take birth in financially well off families and enjoy the materialistic desires in this birth. They continue their sadhana after the desires are fulfilled in this birth itself or in future. Similarly, some other sadhakas are born in poor families but with great spiritual wisdom so that they can experience empathy with other poor people and also learn contentment with their present lot. All paths, however devious lead to the same goal and that is union with Paramatma.You may get what Swami has said on this from more knowledgeable members of this

group. Sai Ram.I may clarify that Swamy is part of my given name and I am not a monk etc.Swamy --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Soumendra Bhattacharjee <soumendra_toronto wrote:Soumendra Bhattacharjee <soumendra_toronto[saibabanews] Past life Sadhanas (spiritually motivated efforts) or born with passionsaibabanews Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 8:03 AM

 

 

 

Sai Ram brother's and sister's ,

 

 

I heard some spiritual talk which was aired on Faith channel - now some holy sages declared that people who are born in royal families or have become President of the country is due to their past lives Sadhanas. He also reiterated that we don't know how much sadhana they did in their past lives ? that is why they are rewarded in this life which they are not aware of and they are born with exceptional power and fame.

 

Now my question is how come we don't see any spiritualism in them in this life ? how come they forget spirituality ? instead get immersed in materialism, power ,lust etc - bit confusing, or they are born in that Genes ? what is it ?

 

Did our Lord Swami mention anything like this ? somehow I couldn't agree with this holy sage( with due respect ).

 

Your input is greatly appreciated - great devotees of our Lord Sri Sathya Sai.

 

Samastha Loka Sukhino Bhavanthu

 

Sai Ram

 

Soumendra

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Soumendra,

 

You have raised a very important and potent question - for we see it all around us happening that the seemingly deserving suffer and underserving have all the power and status and whatever you call it.

 

Now the answer is not far to seek in the Bhagavad Gita, in Chapter 6, Bhagwan Sri Krishna says, in response to a querry from Arjuna about devotees who do devotion but fail both to quell passions and do contemplation, do such devotees lost on the spiritual path, come crashing down like a riven cloud without any support? Arjuna begs Bhagwan Sri Krishna to dispel this doubt. Bhagwan Sri Krishna, in His infinite mercy, says :

 

6.40 The Blessed Lord said, "O Partha, neither in this world nor in the next is such a man destroyed or lost. For none who tread the path of righteousness ever come to grief."

 

6.41 "He who has fallen from Yoga attains higher worlds (heavens etc) to which men of meritorious actions alone are entitled, and having resided there for countless years, is reborn in the house of the pious and prosperous."

 

6.42 "Or else he will be born in a family that is spiritually very advanced; however, such a birth is hard to attain."

 

6.43 "In that birth, O Karunanandana, he automatically regains the spiritual insight of his previous births; and he strives more then before to attain perfection."

 

6.44 "The other one (who takes birth in a prosperous family) feels compulsively drawin on the spiritual path by the force of habit acquired in the previous birth; nay, even he who merely wishes to know of Yoga rises above those who duly perform all Vedic rites but in a routine manner."

 

Bhawans words above clear the air for the path He has laid for devotees, who may not be able to achieve Yoga.

 

For those who are devoted to lesser Gods for their material hunger, they are also devoted to the Highest Supreme Self thru proxy.

 

This world is His playfield and His best sport - Making the king a pauper and a pauper - a King.

 

Karmically, any namsmaran, any sewa and any other Good act, will lead us to the path as laid out by our Sai Bhagwan. Strive for 'Constant Integerated Awareness' of His Omnipresence.

 

Sai Ram ~ Be Happy

 

Captain Jatindar Shad

+919811225753

www.sairamji.com

NEW UPTO 70% OFF: http://www.sairamji.com/html/free_offer.html--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Soumendra Bhattacharjee <soumendra_toronto wrote:

Soumendra Bhattacharjee <soumendra_toronto[saibabanews] Past life Sadhanas (spiritually motivated efforts) or born with passionsaibabanews Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 8:03 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sai Ram brother's and sister's ,

 

 

I heard some spiritual talk which was aired on Faith channel - now some holy sages declared that people who are born in royal families or have become President of the country is due to their past lives Sadhanas. He also reiterated that we don't know how much sadhana they did in their past lives ? that is why they are rewarded in this life which they are not aware of and they are born with exceptional power and fame.

 

Now my question is how come we don't see any spiritualism in them in this life ? how come they forget spirituality ? instead get immersed in materialism, power ,lust etc - bit confusing, or they are born in that Genes ? what is it ?

 

Did our Lord Swami mention anything like this ? somehow I couldn't agree with this holy sage( with due respect ).

 

Your input is greatly appreciated - great devotees of our Lord Sri Sathya Sai.

 

Samastha Loka Sukhino Bhavanthu

 

Sai Ram

 

Soumendra

 

[Guest guest]

Sai Ram Brother Soumendra and the Forum members

Every one knows about "Gajendra Moksham" from maha Bhagavatam. We only know that Poor elephant King was drinking water from the river and the mean crocodile catches his leg. The ultimate Bhakti of Gajendra brings Sri Maha Vishnu down and with the disc annihilates teh mean crocodile and releases Gajendra. That is what the Drisya Prapancham as it stands narrated in the story for the physical eye.

But who was this Elephant King??

He was a great sage who was intense in his penance reaching Vishnu Loka soon and Indra wanted to stop the highest attainment. He sends a messenger and teh Sage sat where he was and did not move. He was given a SHAAPAM or cursed to be born as an elephant that moves slowly. Upon praying, he was given a relief to the curse that Sri Maha Vishnu will relieve him of his status during taht avatar of ELEPHANT. He was a very proud and immoral being till he attains that state when his leg was snatched b the Crocodile. He then sees teh eternal truth,of Vishnu sayujya,m and gets back all teh accumulated punyam from th e previous life and the karma takes a turn at that point. Till then , there were no qualities of teh sage that he was in th eprevious life. That stage is called PARIPAKWATA, that is tested and assessed and awarded by teh Universal consciousness itself.Who was the Crocodile?

He was a notorious Gandharwa, who pulls te leg of a saint as he was making oblations in teh water. As he was naughty that way, sage curses him to be teh Crocodile as he acted like one. The respite given by teh sage is when Vishnu himself would give him teh salvation and ends teh crocodile life.

Therefore, we do not see anyhting wiht teh physical eye. YAT DRISYAM TAT NASYA.

We do not know anything about karmic connections, but the life and it's uncontrolled consequences are the KARMA MAALA we strung around the neck at birth, unseen but needs to be paid off. One who sees the karma, is Swami, he will not tell you what you were or are.

Truly the affluence, birth and the living conditions are all the result of Karma which is a Universal law.

I hope the story gives an insight and an answer to your question

Meena Chintapalli--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Soumendra Bhattacharjee <soumendra_toronto wrote:

Soumendra Bhattacharjee <soumendra_toronto[saibabanews] Past life Sadhanas (spiritually motivated efforts) or born with passionsaibabanews Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 9:33 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sai Ram brother's and sister's ,

 

 

I heard some spiritual talk which was aired on Faith channel - now some holy sages declared that people who are born in royal families or have become President of the country is due to their past lives Sadhanas. He also reiterated that we don't know how much sadhana they did in their past lives ? that is why they are rewarded in this life which they are not aware of and they are born with exceptional power and fame.

 

Now my question is how come we don't see any spiritualism in them in this life ? how come they forget spirituality ? instead get immersed in materialism, power ,lust etc - bit confusing, or they are born in that Genes ? what is it ?

 

Did our Lord Swami mention anything like this ? somehow I couldn't agree with this holy sage( with due respect ).

 

Your input is greatly appreciated - great devotees of our Lord Sri Sathya Sai.

 

Samastha Loka Sukhino Bhavanthu

 

Sai Ram

 

Soumendra

 

[Guest guest]

Sai Ram,

It is true as has been mentioned

by Swami and several saints that our present birth is a result of the karmas in

the previous births. When an Atma enters a new body (rebirth) the Atma forgets

all the past births, relations, karmas etc. of those previous births (unless they attain a yogic status when they

can recall their previous lives as well as the previous lives of others at

will). Hence the individual born again will have to redo his cycle of

karma, which will add to the balance of his previous ones. It is like going on

adding to a donation box. Only when the box is opened will the contents be

revealed. The box is opened each time we die.

 

The individual born in a rich

influential family has to set his own course in life and determine his own

priorities once again. This is to minimize the confusion that could arise if he

were to remember his past births in terms of love, hatred, revenge,

relationships etc. the memories of the past birth are like a matchbox. Unless

one knows how, when and where to use it, he could end up burning himself, his

household or public property. We are like that individual who doesnot know what

to do with a matchbox.

 

Saints and Avataars on the other

hand know the purpose of the matchbox and will use it to burn off the evil only

(ego, negativism etc.). Sri Rama knew of Ahalya. Sai Baba recalled that a snake

trying to eat up a frog were actually brothers in a previous life. Swami tells

us that Sai Geeta will be born for the first time as a human. Krishna

knew the twin trees were Gandharvas waiting for liberation. Innumerable are

such incidents.

 

Hence for our own sakes we donot

remember our previous births. There is enough confusion and chaos as it is

without our past memories being handed over to us. Thankfully God has built a

protective fence at the edge of the mountain, lest we topple over and fall.

 

In this birth we will putting

some more karmas into the treasure or donation box of ours. People born in

influential families could be like the lily or lotus in a dirty pond. It is up

to them whether they want to grow up to a level that the dirt slips off them or

whether they want to root themselves deeply into the dirty soil. The greatest

gift of being born a human as Swami often reiterates as have several noble

souls in the past, is our intellect- the power to reason and think. The nuclear

reaction principle can be used to generate energy (welfare of the world) as

well as to destroy the world. It is the way the discriminating decision is made

that changes the world.

 

Another thing I wish to mention

to devotees who have a doubt as to why Swami gives interviews to leaders and

VIPs is that Swami Himself explained this once to a close devotee. He said that

these people will lead a lot of others. Hence it was important that they are

guided first so that they can be good examples in their own organization. It is

like the bank manager warning you against drawing any more money from your bank

account as the funds are dwindling slowly (due to evil deeds). That gives you a

sufficient warning that you must find ways to add to the account (by doing good

things)

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Soumendra Bhattacharjee <soumendra_toronto wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sai Ram brother's and sister's ,

 

 

I heard some spiritual talk which was aired on Faith channel - now some holy sages declared that people who are born in royal families or have become President of the country is due to their past lives Sadhanas. He also reiterated that we don't know how much sadhana they did in their past lives ? that is why they are rewarded in this life  which they are not aware of and they are born with exceptional power and fame.

 

Now my question is how come we don't see any spiritualism in them in this life ? how come they forget spirituality ? instead get immersed in materialism,power ,lust etc - bit confusing, or they are born in that Genes ? what is it ? 

 

Did  our Lord Swami mention anything like this ? somehow I couldn't agree with this holy sage( with due respect ).

 

Your input is greatly appreciated - great devotees of our Lord Sri Sathya Sai.

 

Samastha Loka Sukhino Bhavanthu

 

Sai Ram

 

Soumendra

 

 

 

-- laxmi

[Guest guest]

The Law of Karma is Nature's stubborn and inexorable law from which there is no escape and to which there is no exception. As you sow, so shall you reap, is an ancient axiomatic truth. It is the general rule for earth-life. It also extends to some of the upper physiospiritual regions, according to the order of density and peculiarity of each. Karma is a supreme principle superior both to gods and men for the former too, sooner or later, come also under its sway. The various gods and goddesses in different realms of Nature take a much longer time to serve in their respective heavenly spheres than human beings, but all the same they have ultimately to

reincarnate in flesh before they can aspire to, and win, final emancipation from the Karmic round of births. All works, acts or deeds form a vital device in the Divine plan to keep the entire universe in perfect running order. No one can remain without some kind of work (mental or physical activity) even for a single moment. One is always thinking or doing one thing or another. One cannot by nature be mentally vacant or idle, nor can one stop the senses from their automatic functioning: eyes cannot but see and the ears hut hear; and the worst is that one cannot, like Penelope, undo what is once done. Repentance though good in itself, cannot cure the past. Whatever one thinks, speaks or acts, good or bad, leaves a deep impression upon the mind and these accumulated impressions go to make or mar an individual. Every action has a reaction, for that is Nature's law of Cause and Effect. One has, therefore, to bear the fruit of his actions: sweet or bitter, as the case may be, whether one may like it or not. Is there no remedy then? Is man a mere plaything of fate or destiny who works his way in a purely pre-determined order? There are two sides of the matter. One has, to a certain extent, a free will, wherewith one, if he so chooses, can direct his course and make or mar his future and to a great extent even mould the living present to his own advantage. Armed with the living soul in him of the same essence as his Creator, he is mightier than Karma. The infinite in him can help him to transcend the limitations of the finite. The freedom to act and the Karmic bondage are but two aspects of the real in him. It is only the mechanical and the material part in him that is subject to Karmic restraint, while the real and vital spirit in him transcends all and is

hardly affected by the Karmic load, if established in his native God-head. How to get established in one's own real saroop, the Atman? This is what we have perforce to learn if we aspire for a way out of the endless Karmic web. The trouble with most of us is that we do not give thought to our actions. We, at every step, heedlessly go on 'collecting the load of Karmic particles without realizing that there is a power within that keeps a count of all we think, say or do. Thomas Carlyle, a famous thinker, says: "Fool, thinkest thou that because no Boswell is there to note thy jargon, it therefore dies and is buried? Nothing dies, nothing can die. The idlest word thou speakest is a seed cast into time, which brings fruit to all eternity." KARMAS have been classified by Saints into three distinct categories : (i) Sanchit or the gathered and stored Karmas, going far back into incarnations running into the unknown past. (ii) Pralabdha: Luck, fate or destiny, or that portion out of the Sanchit (store-house) which constitutes a person's living present, which none can escape howsoever one may wish.and try. (iii) Kriyaman: The Karmas which one is free to perform as a free agent in his present earthly span or existence, and thereby make or mar his future. Sanchit (the stored deeds): Good or bad deeds that stand to man's credit as earned in all the previous existences in the order of creation, counting from the day of the first appearance of life on earth. Man knows nothing about them, or of their extent and their great potential power. King Dharitrashtra, the blind progenitor of the Kshatriya princes, the Kurvas of the Epic Age, when endowed by Lord Krishna with his yogic power, was able to trace the cause of his blindness to an act done in the unknown past, extending back to over l00 incarnations or embodiments. Pralabdha: These are just that part of the Sanchit Karmas which constitute a person's fate, destiny or luck; which determines one's present existence on earth. A person has no control over them. The effect of these, good or ill, has be tolerated, as best one may-with smiles or with tears. The present life is just an unfoldment or revelation of the predestined Karmas with which one comes fully loaded into the world. It is, however, possible that one may so mould and develop his inner self, through the guidance of some Master-Soul, that he may not feel their bitter and poignant sting, just as the kernel in a ripe almond or walnut does not feel the prick of a needle by getting detached from the shell without, which as a consequence gets shrivelled and hardened, and serves

henceforth as a protecting armor. In this way, each one of us, willingly or unwillingly, wittingly or unwittingly, is forging chains for himself, no matter whether the same be of gold or of iron. Still chains are chains and they are equally efficacious in their application; to wit, to keep a person in perpetual bondage.

Like a poor silk-worm imprisoned in its own cocoon or like a spider caught in its own web, or a bird in its nest, one remains bound in hoops of steel of his own making, with no way of escape therefrom. Thus the cycle of birth, death, and rebirth is ceaselessly set in motion. It is only when one transcends the body-consciousness and becomes Neh-Karma, i.e. actionless in action like the still point at the centre of the ever-revolving wheel of life, that a stop is put to the motion of the Giant Wheel of Karmas; for then one becomes a conscious co-worker of the Divine Plan. This is why Buddha, the prince among ascetics, emphatically said: "Be ye desireless" for desires are the root-cause of human sufferings as they motivate actions, right from subtle vibrations in the sub-conscious, to mental thinking in the

conscious, leading to the vast and limitless harvest of variegated deeds of different hues and forms, springing from the imbalance of the mind. The spirit, sitting in the chariot of the body is thus driven blindly and head-long into the fields of sensual pleasures by the five powerful steeds of the senses, uncontrolled by the power-intoxicated charioteer of the mind (helplessly imbalanced as it is) with the reins of intellect dangling loosely about him. Self-discipline then is of prime importance and chastity in thought, word and deed, is the essential requisite that helps a person on the path of self knowledge and God-knowledge, for ethical life is a stepping-stone to spirituality. Kriyamnn: It is the current account of one's willful actions and deeds in the present existence. This type of Karma is quite distinct from the other two. In spite of the limitations imposed by Pralabdh or unchangeable destiny, each one is gifted with a free will and is free to sow what seeds he may. Endowed with the gift of discriminative faculty peculiar to his constitution alone, he can judge for himself what is right and what is wrong and as such it would be vainly presumptuous on his part if he were to expect a bed of roses when he sows thorns and thistles. It is up to him to make or mar his future, as he may. A Master-soul can give him a correct lcad by putting before him the true values of

life-life which is more than the bodily raiment and all that is connected therewith: the sense-dominated existence. Under His guidance, one develops an easy detachment from the world and worldly affairs and once the magic spell is broken, the blinkers fall off and the stark reality stares him squarely in the face, providing him with an opportunity to escape unscathed. Ordinarily, however, some of the Kriyaman Karmas bear fruit in this very life; while others-the unfructified ones are transferred to the General Account of the Sanchit Karmas, which go on accumulating from age to age. Thus, it is given to each one to think ahead of time, and weigh well the consequences of the acts and deeds intended before taking an irretrievable step-a leap in the dark and a head-long plunge in a fit of impetuosity which is regretted for ever and cannot be undone by

blaming the stars for their supposed malignant influence. A railway engineer, for instance, is to plan beforehand the railway track, for once the lines are laid the train is to run on blindly. A little error in laying the lines, a loose fish-plate or a wrong angle may lead to calamitous results. Even when everything is done properly, one has to keep a constant and strict watch, day and night, lest anything get out of joint or the track is otherwise tampered with by hostile elements.

Now there is a person “A†(physical body plus mind plus soul) who has long cherished a desire during his lifetime to become a king. He falls ill and his unfulfilled desire to be a king all the time remains uppermost in his mind. He, in due course, is compelled by nature to surrender his physical body, but according to the Law of life after death he is still clothed in the astral (mental) and causal (ethereal) bodies. He now functions as a disembodied or disincarnate spirit in his other raiment, the mind-stuff both astral and causal. Since mind is the storehouse of all impressions, "A" still remembers his desire to be a king. "A," now a disembodied spirit (

jiva ), disrobed of the physical body, is faced with a difficulty. He cannot function as a king until, once again, he puts on a physical vesture as may enable him to be a king, at one stage or another in his earthly career. Propelled by the unerring motor-power behind all activity, his mind-stuff, he is led on to pick up some of the unfructified Karmas, sufficient enough to bring about a new set of circumstances as may help him to have the long cherished and deeply engraved desire fulfilled. The great motor power referred to above has two aspects: positive as well as negative; the former leading to the journey homeward and the latter controlling and guiding life on the earth-plane. Nature, or the negative aspect of the Power that is One, is concerned solely with the administration of life as it exists on the physical planet; its chief function being to keep the world going, fully peopled, and people engaged in various pursuits of life, according to the earned merit in each case, called in common parlance as Pralabdha which fashions the earthly life for each individual with an absolute precision and an unfailing art. To the extent described above, one is in a sort of "closed trap" and cannot but unfold what comes with him in a folded state. It is a revelation of the unrevealed past in the seed or the essence lying dormant at the back of the essential mind-stuff and is projected on the canvas of life with its multifarious patterns and diverse colors, taking on different lines, as life emerges out of the pristine unalloyed and eternal radiance of which we generally lose sight as we get absorbed in the "dome of manycoloured glass" that encloses us and presses us from all sides with the passage of time. Dame Nature now takes charge of her foster-child and lavishes in

plenitude all her gifts, so much so that unknowingly one enjoys in full ness and to surfeit that for which he hankered in the past. Dazzled by the glamour of the gifts, one forgets the Great Benefactor, the Bestower of the Gifts, and is inextricably caught in the meshes of death. This is but one part of the life that “A†leads, as a predestined game. Along with this, there is yet another, a very vital counterpart depending on the freedom of action and volitional independence that is given to each. It is in correctly understanding the higher values of life and making the most of the opportunities given to him that his salvation lies, right here and now. Paradoxically then, man is not only a creature of his destiny (past), but a creator of his destiny (future) as well. What we bring, must come to pass; and what we do now shall shape the things to come. Wisdom, therefore, lies in making the choice. The mind power is a single entity and if harnessed correctly, can, like an obedient servant, render a good

account of itself; but if allowed to over-power the lifegiving spirit, it proves a treacherous parasite that saps the vitality and shrivels up the host-plant on which it thrives and from which it derives its very life and sustenance. Thus, one must pay all his attention to proper sowing and cultivating, while playing his destined part in the human drama, on the stage of life, in the light of the eternal radiance that shines through thick and thin, whether we know it or not. The Supreme Will is already wrought in the pattern of our being, for without it there can be no existence; and in knowing that Will and by working in unison with that Will, one can escape from the Wheel of Life--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Ravinder Grover <rgrover wrote:

Ravinder Grover <rgrover[saibabanews] Re: Past life Sadhanas (spiritually motivated efforts) or born with passionsaibabanews Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 2:10 PM

 

 

2 Sep 2009

 

Sai Ram dear brothers and sisters

 

My understanding is that

 

1. Whatever we get in this life is due to our own Prarabdha Karma (the Karma to fructify and exhaust in this life time)

2. Prarabdha Karma is the withdrawal of some Karma from the Sanchita Karma (accumulated Karmas since our very first existence) only for this life time

3. We do not have choice of choosing Prarabdha Karma. The method seems to be automatic. Each and every Karma has to fructify or say manifest when the conditions are appropriate

4. But we end up building more Karmas when exhausting Prarabdha Karma. Say due to my some good Karmas I win lottery worth a few million dollars. This is called Prarabdha Karma, or karma being fructified. Now I have got the money in hand. How do I react to this Fruit (money) builds up more Karma, called Kriyaman Karma. In nutshell, Kriyaman Karma is any action (through thoughts, words and deeds) what we are doing now in this life time

5. Somewhere I read Swami’s quotes, ‘Karma is your reaction to the fruit of the action’.

6. If somebody become President or holds any high post is absolutely Karmic.

7. Spiritual Sadhanas are for getting one with God, for realizing SELF. I don’t think one can say that one has become President due to solely Spiritual Sadhana, there has to be Karmic consequence.

 

Love

 

Ravinder Grover

 

 

 

saibabanews [saibabanews ] On Behalf Of Soumendra BhattacharjeeTuesday, September 01, 2009 2:33 PMsaibabanews[saibabanews] Past life Sadhanas (spiritually motivated efforts) or born with passion

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sai Ram brother's and sister's ,

 

 

 

 

 

I heard some spiritual talk which was aired on Faith channel - now some holy sages declared that people who are born in royal families or have become President of the country is due to their past lives Sadhanas. He also reiterated that we don't know how much sadhana they did in their past lives ? that is why they are rewarded in this life which they are not aware of and they are born with exceptional power and fame.

 

 

 

Now my question is how come we don't see any spiritualism in them in this life ? how come they forget spirituality ? instead get immersed in materialism, power ,lust etc - bit confusing, or they are born in that Genes ? what is it ?

 

 

 

Did our Lord Swami mention anything like this ? somehow I couldn't agree with this holy sage( with due respect ).

 

 

 

Your input is greatly appreciated - great devotees of our Lord Sri Sathya Sai.

 

 

 

Samastha Loka Sukhino Bhavanthu

 

 

 

Sai Ram

 

 

 

Soumendra

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sairam.

 

It is a natural doubt that can come to anybody.But sadhana does not mean only spirtual.People born in high places or occupying great positions is because of their benign deeds,charity and other meritorious deeds done by them in their previous lives make them to enjoy the comforts in this birth.That need not necessarily be devotion to God but by their good deeds and need necessarily be spiritual sadhana.Nobody will be come rich due to spiritual sadhana done in previous births as the same will leaned them only towards Godly way.

That is the reason many yogis or spiritual Gurus (exceptions may bethere) generally won't bother about material things and their absorbtion will only be towards Godhead.Further for progress in spirtual path in this birth the aspirant shuld hv detached from worldly things in the earlier births and only for those the heavens will be opened in this birth and not otherwise.

 

So people becoming rich owe their positions,power etc due to the good deeds they have done in the earlier births and sages to their spiritual sadhanas which will take them towars the ultimate goal.People with money will squander and forget God and do things which are

not benign and in future births will come down.That is why it is insisted spiritual sadhana in this birth shuld be done so that that may be a first step to reach great heights spiritiually

in subsequent births.

 

Om Sairam.

 

agraman--- On Tue, 1/9/09, Soumendra Bhattacharjee <soumendra_toronto wrote:

Soumendra Bhattacharjee <soumendra_toronto[saibabanews] Past life Sadhanas (spiritually motivated efforts) or born with passionsaibabanews Date: Tuesday, 1 September, 2009, 8:03 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sai Ram brother's and sister's ,

 

 

I heard some spiritual talk which was aired on Faith channel - now some holy sages declared that people who are born in royal families or have become President of the country is due to their past lives Sadhanas. He also reiterated that we don't know how much sadhana they did in their past lives ? that is why they are rewarded in this life which they are not aware of and they are born with exceptional power and fame.

 

Now my question is how come we don't see any spiritualism in them in this life ? how come they forget spirituality ? instead get immersed in materialism, power ,lust etc - bit confusing, or they are born in that Genes ? what is it ?

 

Did our Lord Swami mention anything like this ? somehow I couldn't agree with this holy sage( with due respect ).

 

Your input is greatly appreciated - great devotees of our Lord Sri Sathya Sai.

 

Samastha Loka Sukhino Bhavanthu

 

Sai Ram

 

Soumendra