Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Jai Sairam, I wish to know whether karma exactly follows the principle 'Every action has equal and opposite reaction'. Where are our karmas stored? Are our thoughts also a part of our karmas? Is it God who decides the fruits for our actions everytime, or is it that the results are got automatically due to some predefined laws of the Creator and that God is just a silent witness but comes to our aid when we are desperate for help. I will be grateful for any answer in this regard. Regards, Jyoti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 SAI RAM, Every Good/laudable/noble etc. etc. action of yours will get Benefic Karmaphala. So also bad/condemnable/sinful etc. etc. action of yours will get adverse Karmaphala. This as per the Law of Karma. If you want any Karma of yours neither to benefit nor harm you, then do it in a detached fashion or without the sense of doership, enjoyership and knowership(Kartrutwa, Boktrutwa and Pramadrutva Bhava). " It is I who did that , It is I who enjoy this and I know it " etc. etc. are the kind of notions which bind one to samsara. To my mind, benefic deeds (Punya Karma) on your part can not bring sinful results. So also sinful deeds (Papakarmas) can not bring beneficial results to one. To this extent, Newton`s Third Law of motion does not strictly follow the Karma Theory. Yes, God is called the " giver of fruits of action " ( Karmaphaladhata.). God does not take part in your good or bad thoughts,deeds and actions. He is just a witness to whatever you think or do. Our karmas are stored as vasanas in our causal body(karana sarira). It is our vasanas that direct our thoughts. While Karmaphala follows the Law of Karma, certainly God can modify/ alter/nullify/ undo etc. etc. of Karmaphala,provided you deserve His compassion and your surrender to God is sincere,unconditional , total and without any apprehensions or doubts whether He will come to your rescue. SAI RAM On 3/11/08, lv_jyotil <lv_jyotil wrote: Jai Sairam,I wish to know whether karma exactly follows the principle 'Every action has equal and opposite reaction'. Where are our karmas stored? Are our thoughts also a part of our karmas? Is it God who decides the fruits for our actions everytime, or is it that the results are got automatically due to some predefined laws of the Creator and that God is just a silent witness but comes to our aid when we are desperate for help. I will be grateful for any answer in this regard. Regards,Jyoti You are managing the saibabanews group through Grouply. You to individual emails for this group. | Update your Subscription settings 1 messages in this conversation, including this one | Add a comment View this message on Grouply so you can rate, tag, bookmark, and see what oth ers think about it. Need traffic? Drive customers With search ads on Do-It-Yourselfers Find Y! Groups on Lawn & garden, homes and autos. John McEnroe on Join him for the 10 Day Challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Chary Tamirisa <aruntamirisa Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:55 pm Re: [saibabanews] Query regarding Karma Please see this page: http://www.ruhanisatsangusa.org/lawkarma.htm Hope it helps. ---------- janakeswar rao <janakesh_v Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:07 pm Re: [saibabanews] Query regarding Karma Basically, Karma is a philosophy. Now if you look for the meaning of philosophy, you can get what Karma is? And I would like to add one more thing. God will never sit and see the desperate and suffering, he is the protector, sustainer and Destroyer. He will come to your rescue, any time, when we call him with pure and needy heart. Believe in this. Regards, Janakesh ---------- " G. Balasubramanian " <gbsub Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:45 pm Re: [saibabanews] Query regarding Karma SAI RAM, Every Good/laudable/noble etc. etc. action of yours will get Benefic Karmaphala. So also bad/condemnable/sinful etc. etc. action of yours will get adverse Karmaphala. This as per the Law of Karma. If you want any Karma of yours neither to benefit nor harm you, then do it in a detached fashion or without the sense of doership, enjoyership and knowership(Kartrutwa, Boktrutwa and Pramadrutva Bhava). " It is I who did that , It is I who enjoy this and I know it " etc. etc. are the kind of notions which bind one to samsara. To my mind, benefic deeds (Punya Karma) on your part can not bring sinful results. So also sinful deeds (Papakarmas) can not bring beneficial results to one. To this extent, Newton`s Third Law of motion does not strictly follow the Karma Theory. Yes, God is called the " giver of fruits of action " ( Karmaphaladhata.). God does not take part in your good or bad thoughts,deeds and actions. He is just a witness to whatever you think or do. Our karmas are stored as vasanas in our causal body(karana sarira). It is our vasanas that direct our thoughts. While Karmaphala follows the Law of Karma, certainly God can modify/ alter/nullify/ undo etc. etc. of Karmaphala,provided you deserve His compassion and your surrender to God is sincere,unconditional , total and without any apprehensions or doubts whether He will come to your rescue. SAI RAM ---------- " Ranganath B " <brngupta Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:38 am Re: [saibabanews] Query regarding Karma Sairam, There're good postings on Karma and suffering, on groups. just have a look: saibabanews/msearch?date=any & DM=-------- ---- & DD=---- & DY=---- & DM2=------------ & DD2=---- & DY2=---- & AM=contains & AT= & SM=contains & ST=%22Suffering...+% 22 & MM=contains & MT= & charset=utf-8 (if the text of this link is broken, simply concatenate then click on the link and or copy the link and paste in any opened browser window.) sairam ---------- " R chandrasekar " <rr_chandrasekar Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:00 am Re: [saibabanews] Query regarding Karma Sairam JyotiMa Karma accrues whatever you do or dont do. Keeping quiet when you are supposed to act also is an action. And every action has a reaction. It is a robust system of God. Our Karma Phal are stored in our 'Chitta' and moved to another life as seed for the appropriate impulses. The whole process is automatic as designed by God. The fruits of every action is rendered in this system automatically without bias.And together all these fruits of Karma are packaged,labelled as destiny and delivered to us at the beginning of the birth in this body. Now the choice is to leave the destiny to take its course which produces appropriate impulses (pressing thoughts to do or not to do certain things)and roll out its pre destined actions through this body or seek divine intervention through powerful sincere prayers/sadhana. As per my destiny if I have to get hurt in an accident, at the appropriate time in the Karmic clock(like body clock), I will get a strong impulse to cross the road though in the normal situations I wouldnt have done . And precisely as I succumb to the impulse, I cross and get hurt by the speeding vehicle. Now if my Sadhana has matured and qualified for divine grace, my self would have become strong by His grace and the impulse will not be able to move me and becomes a feeble force. The impulse will arise in same intensity.But the self has now become so strong the impulse is relatively felt as feeble and I dont respond and could ignore. Also, may be in some intermediary levels where my sadhana has partially matured,I escape with minor hurt. Pray with intense Sadhana and Love and seek God's help to overwrite the destiny. If destiny cannot be changed even by God,no need for any prayer. No need for Avatar to waste His time advising us to do or not to do certain things as anyway destiny only will govern. But it is not so. Read Saisat Charita of Shirdi Baba where He categorically overruled destiny of a boy appearing for his medical examn. God's grace can over rule destiny. Now the point is - we have to develop Prema for the Lord and do intense Sadhana and get qualified to earn His divine grace to overcome the evil effects of destiny if any. If there are no evil karma acquired by us in previous birth and our destiny as such has no evil effect now due to that, even if we remain non-believer/Atheist, the life is smooth. NOw looking at such persons people wonder how the non-believer is having a smooth ride. But they would start acruing new Karma for whatever they do now and will face the reaction as they mature. It is all simple accounting. My Karmic balance is carried forward to next birth in chitta and unfolds now . The good and bad happens now according to that as Destiny. God's Grace can overwrite that. That is purpose of Prayer. Seva. Sadhana etc. Dont believe if fatalists says that destiny is final as that would do no good to anyone and noone will find prayer helpful if so. Dont succumb to the mind game. Just be simple. And pray with Love. Our Sweet Swami is waiting for rescuing us if we take just one step. Sairam R.Chandrashekar Chheda Nagar Chembur Mumbai 09821482711 ---------- " shalini_krishnan99 " <shalinik Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:47 am Re: Query regarding Karma Here is what I know from Swami- 1. Every action has a consequence 2. The consequence of an action takes time sometimes life times - based on our previous backlog 3. God keeps track and is a silent witness - unless we offer all our actions to him and consider him as the do-er then none of our actions will bind us again. 4. Namasmarana is a way to wipe out bad karmas. 5. Sincere prayers will agian fetch his grace. Hope this helps. Shalini. ---------- " ranganatha rao " <ranganathabekal Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:20 pm Re: [saibabanews] Query regarding Karma Dear Saibrother, Karma follows the principle " Every action has equal reaction " . God has given all humanbeings three bodies( shariras ). sthula sharira ( gross body) , sukshma sharira ( astral body ), karana sharira (causal body ).Our karmas are stored in our astralbody.when man dies he looses only his grossbody. As per the fruits of karmas the astral body gets another grossbody (next birth ) and again the karmas done in the new birth & the body will be stored inthe astral body.This continues for ever. this comes to an end only when by the Grace of GOD & by the fruits of sacred actions wisdom dawns on humanbeing that he will surrender all the karmas & karmaphalas ( actions and fruits of actions ) to GOD.When one surrenders like this the karmas done will be burnt away & will no more be stored in the astral body. The Creator GOD has done predefined laws by which automatically fruits for our actions are stored in the Spiritual Bank ( like credits & debits & maturity of fixed deposits ).when we pray and cry for help GOD comes to our help just like a mother observes her child when it plays & rushes towards child when it cries for Mothers help or mother. yours saibrother, ranganatharao ---------- john_gpr <no_reply > Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:04 am Re: [saibabanews] Query regarding Karma Sai Ram Karma is the result of action and reaction (similar to Newton's 3rd Law). If you ever heard the theory of Butterfly Effect, you will realise that Karma doesn't mean exact equal and opposite reaction literally. For example, if I were to buy US$10,000 in shares, how do you measure the exact equal and opposite reaction? You can't. Yet karma doesn't only apply to bad actions. Good actions also gets good karma. Hence, I possibly won't be getting back US$10,000 when I sell the shares, if so, I wouldn't buy it in the 1st place since there is also time cost (of course, I might end up getting lesser than US10k if share prices fall). During a private interview with Swami, I asked Swami to get rid of all my karmas. Swami answered me, everything has karma. Every single second, new karmas are built up. Which is equivalent to Buddhist thoughts whereby good actions will increase your Merit storehouse. And bad actions will deplete it. However, Swami mentioned not once, but many times in His discourses, on ways to reduce your bad karmas. One way is to have His darshans. That will reduce it. To completely neutralize all your bad karmas, you could have Padanamaska (kissing of His lotus feet). He declared may times that will destroy all karmas. Another way is to see His production of Lingam during Shivarathri, which will ensure Moksha. These methods were all proclaimed by Swami Himself and recorded in Sathya Sai Speaks. There are many other ways, which if you are interested, I could share them. As to whether God is the law enforcer, let me paraphrase what Swami has to say. He says God is not here to punish, but to save. The Dharmic forces of life will see to all the punishments due for the karmas. Whereas God is here to reduce the Karmas, to reduce the pains and punishments. (You see, God doesn't need to come as an avathar just to punish you. Your karma and dharma will see to the punishment automatically) To date, all avathars or messiahs have come to take on our karmas, to save us unconditionally, so that we know we are loved by God, and hence want to spread this love to others unconditionally. Buddha, after seeking enlightenment, eventually died after eating a piece of poisonous meat from a lady. He knew (of course) that the meat was poisoned. But why did he consume it? There is an extremely strong messgae behind it. Jesus already knew He had to die 1st and then resurrect 3 days later. Why was He willing to be crucified when He knew all along it's going to be so painful? Why was He, a perfect Man with no bad Karmas, be subjected to so much punishments? Our Lord Sai is a perfect being with no bad karmas, no bad actions at all. Yet why is He seating on a wheelchair today? For what Dharmic law did He breach to justify such pains on His body today? He died on several occasions then came back to life. Why? All these great beings had no bad karmas. But why did they suffer? The message behind it will satisfy your query, Jyothi. Take care and have faith that the perfect being is here, not to punish us, but to save us. Sai Ram John ---------- Meenakshi Chintapalli <mkchintapalli Cc: Kedar <kchintapalli50, kedar <kchintapalli50 Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:29 pm Re: [saibabanews] Query regarding Karma Sai Ram: You have an interesting question and I like to answer this the way I understand, to know whether karma exactly follows the principle 'Every action has equal and opposite reaction'. Every action has a reaction and the amount may or may not be equal and opposite. Where are our karmas stored? These are stored as " Vaasanaas " This is like a computer chip that is carried by the Atma. Atma persay is not effected by this chip that has vaasanas. Are our thoughts also a part of our karmas? Yes to certain degree. Is it God who decides the fruits for our actions everytime, or is it that the results are got automatically due to some predefined laws of the Creator and that God is just a silent witness but comes to our aid when we are desperate for help. God is the one who will determine the results of your actions as defined in Bhagawad Gita " Karnanyeva adhikaarasthe Maa Phaleshu kadaachana " . But for some actions the result is obvious; You cut your skin with a knife. You know that it will bleed " That is the law of Nature. God is a silent witness to this. Let us take this a little further. One got hurt so bad that he/she continues to bleed and collapse in a place at a time when no one is around. But some one comes to your rescue by coming there only to save you. This is an example of God coming to our aid when we are desperate for help. I hope I helped you with my nickel's worth of explanation. Sai Ram, Kedar ========== saibabanews , " lv_jyotil " <lv_jyotil wrote: > > Jai Sairam, > > I wish to know whether karma exactly follows the principle 'Every > action has equal and opposite reaction'. Where are our karmas stored? > Are our thoughts also a part of our karmas? Is it God who decides the > fruits for our actions everytime, or is it that the results are got > automatically due to some predefined laws of the Creator and that God > is just a silent witness but comes to our aid when we are desperate for > help. > > I will be grateful for any answer in this regard. > > Regards, > > Jyoti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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