Siva and Vishnu Puja

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Namaskar,

Absolutly agree with Anil. i was about to write the same thing.

Both Siva and Vishnu are equal (There is story in Shiv Purana when

there was a fight between Vishnu and Brahma about who is great among

both then Shiva arrived and created Jyoti in between them after that

Vishnu accpeted that Brahma is great gracefully so Shiva offered

Vishnu equal importance to him.) Siva created vishnu from his left

vaksha (chest) and vishnu created brahma from his nabhi lotus.

Since Siva and Vishnu are equal we should worship both of them

equally. One who fights for Vishnu is great or Siva is great are the

most stupid people wasting their time in unnecesary thing instead of

worshipping them.

And yes whenever Vishnu took avatar he worshipped Siva *(Rama

worship Siva Rameshwar is temple, krishna as Gopaleshwar - which is

Siva.) when siva took avatar he worshiped Vishnu (Hanuman was

devotee of Rama, Sankacharya written vishnu sahasranama.) Also most

of the time they took avatar at the same time to protect each other

and to establish the vedanta dharma like Hanuman to protect Rama ,

Padmapada(avatar of vishnu) to protect Sankaracharya.

 

Sankaracharya proposed the Panchayatan pooja with any one of your

eshta devata and other four gods will help you in completing the

pooja (they will remove the obstacles).

 

recent example is Sant Narhari who was devotee of Siva and never

wanted to worship or even see other god but he saw Siva in vittal

mandir at Pandharpur.

Puranas are full of vishnu praising shiva (In Shiv puran) and Shiva

praising Vishnu (Srimadbhagvat) this is just to increase faith in

your eshta devata.

So both are equal and never fight for who is great and waste your

time even though you are vaishnava or Shaiva.

 

Om hari hara

 

 

, narasimhaye

<no_reply wrote:

>

> Namaskar Anil, thank you so much for excellent response.

>

> Anil, its not 2 pence worth, its gold!

>

> Agree with you absolutely. Its great that you've pointed out the

> differences so clearly and mentioned that :

>

> " " " " " " Our puranas and other religious scriptures and the

> Mahabharat and Ramayana contain many instances where both the

> incarnations of Shiva and Vishnu worship each other and glorify

each

> other in fulfilling the mission of devatas wherein a particular

demon

> or demoness can only be vanquished by either one of them due to

their

> specific powers or attributes. " " " " "

>

> About whether sadhakas 'meet' their Ishta Devata and gain Darshan

> during or after sadhana, it depends on the bhakti of the devotee,

how

> long he/she had practised the same sadhana and whether there is

past

> life propensity between sadhaka and deity.

>

> Some sadhakas, 'meet' their Ishta Devata and gain Darshan shortly

> after commencing sadhana but this is rare. Many have to practise

for

> a long time with faith, focus and patience.

>

> One of the world's greatest sadhakas was Sri Sri Ramakrishna who

> received true Darshan from Maa. Of course He was a saint and we

are

> only ordinary mortals. But from worshipping our Ishta Devata with

> sheer bhakti, we can also gain some degree of darshan. When the

> darshan comes, there are always signs posts and we will have

> the 'instinctive knowing'.

>

> Also agree with you that it will be nice to hear from other

friends

> with their experiences.

>

> Aum Namah Shivaya

>

>

> , " Anil Kumar "

> <yogi75ank@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Narasimhaye,

> > Namaste,

> > Adding my two pence worth to your views.

> >

> > After reading some of our puranas / religious texts and growing

up

> in

> > a Hindu family I feel that the idea of GOD in Sanatana Dharma as

> > Shiva, Vishnu, Devi or Mother Goddess is that they are all Divine

> > manifestations of one absolute reality which can be neither

> > identified as male or female but an omnipotent entity which

> > encompasses the male and female aspect as we humans percieve.

> > Different people are by birth tuned to have affinity to a

certain

> God

> > or Goddess which makes them their Isht devata or devi. Every

Devata

> > or Devi has their own attributes and a speciality which

identifies

> > them from the others.Although I have no idea of how things

advance

> in

> > the spiritual path but reading online and by personnaly

interacting

> > with some on the spiritual path, I feel that when the sadhaka

> > advances on the spiritual path, he feels and experiences silence,

> > peace and ananda within himself and everywhere around him.He

doesn't

> > feel any seperation between him and the existence around him.

> >

> > So to think of Shiva as supreme or Vishnu as supreme and then

> > worshipping them is like losing the essence of worshipping that

> > particular Diety. Our puranas and other religious scriptures

and

> the

> > Mahabharat and Ramayana contain many instances where both the

> > incarnations of Shiva and Vishnu worship each other and glorify

each

> > other in fulfilling the mission of devatas wherein a particular

> demon

> > or demoness can only be vanquished by either one of them due to

> their

> > specific powers or attributes

> >

> > I do not know if the sadhaka meets or has darshan of his Isht

devata

> > or devi during the sadhana or at the end of it. Maybe other

> > enlightened members can throw some light and pass on their

> > experiences.

> >

> > Aum Namah Shivaya

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Gajendravispute,

 

I feel its the Rudraksha that we wear with respect or

have with us that has probably opened our thought

process to understand the intricacies of ideal Bhakti

and the co-relation between the many Gods of Sanatana

Dharma and of course other religions.

 

I too had this confusion raging in my mind for quite

sometime as to who is superior among all the Gods

(especially Vishnu & Shiva as they are the most

dynamic of the Trinity)and must say as Narasimhayeji

wrote to me in a previous message, that we get

signposts to make us understand in a sutle way, I

realized after some time that they are one and the

same but different expressions of the Ultimate Reality

materialized to fulfill different tasks of this

existence.

 

 

Aum Namah Shivaya

 

 

--- gajendravispute <no_reply > wrote:

 

> Namaskar,

> Absolutly agree with Anil. i was about to write the

> same thing.

> Both Siva and Vishnu are equal (There is story in

> Shiv Purana when

> there was a fight between Vishnu and Brahma about

> who is great among

> both then Shiva arrived and created Jyoti in between

> them after that

> Vishnu accpeted that Brahma is great gracefully so

> Shiva offered

> Vishnu equal importance to him.) Siva created vishnu

> from his left

> vaksha (chest) and vishnu created brahma from his

> nabhi lotus.

> Since Siva and Vishnu are equal we should worship

> both of them

> equally. One who fights for Vishnu is great or Siva

> is great are the

> most stupid people wasting their time in unnecesary

> thing instead of

> worshipping them.

> And yes whenever Vishnu took avatar he worshipped

> Siva *(Rama

> worship Siva Rameshwar is temple, krishna as

> Gopaleshwar - which is

> Siva.) when siva took avatar he worshiped Vishnu

> (Hanuman was

> devotee of Rama, Sankacharya written vishnu

> sahasranama.) Also most

> of the time they took avatar at the same time to

> protect each other

> and to establish the vedanta dharma like Hanuman to

> protect Rama ,

> Padmapada(avatar of vishnu) to protect

> Sankaracharya.

>

> Sankaracharya proposed the Panchayatan pooja with

> any one of your

> eshta devata and other four gods will help you in

> completing the

> pooja (they will remove the obstacles).

>

> recent example is Sant Narhari who was devotee of

> Siva and never

> wanted to worship or even see other god but he saw

> Siva in vittal

> mandir at Pandharpur.

> Puranas are full of vishnu praising shiva (In Shiv

> puran) and Shiva

> praising Vishnu (Srimadbhagvat) this is just to

> increase faith in

> your eshta devata.

> So both are equal and never fight for who is great

> and waste your

> time even though you are vaishnava or Shaiva.

>

> Om hari hara