Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Jayashree Raghavan <sai3jaya Thu Sep 6, 2007 11:46 am Re: [saibabanews] Karmic Doubts... Siram brother ranganath.B The health problems and other problems in life will come and go like clouds in the sky. If we do good things we will reap the good things in future. What swami mean by saying that all sufferings are karmic effects is that If we had done anything bad in our previous janma, it leads to ill effects what all happening in our life today. We can mitigate the vigourousness of the illeffect by chanting namasmarana. It will only reduce. If once for all the health problem is setting off due to swami blessings it means that the concerned person has done some good thing in his pastlife which is giving fruits as clearance from the illness. Both good and bad actions will have its fruits in our life. What swami want to say that you contineously do good things, speak good things, think good. All the three should co-relate with each other so that there will be fulness in your activity of doing a good thing. This all good things which we are doing in this janma will carryforward to next janma and we will be happy through out our life. When ourbalance of bad kriya is finished in our past janma, all our good karma's which we are doing in this janma will glow in our life. This is the essence of swami teaching as far as I am concerned. Om sri sairam. JR ---------- Siddhi <lexusatu Thu Sep 6, 2007 2:10 pm Re: [saibabanews] Karmic Doubts... Sairam - When God cures you, you are free of that karmic debt altogether. Let us say, you just did something so good to deserve it firstly; that you wiped out all that bad karma as well. He does not expect you to pay for it in some form or other in subsequest lives. Trust me. Would you want your children to pay for the things that they have done in their chilhood that are naughty. No. They said sorry and you forgave them. You do not say. Wait. Let me see, now yo uowe me 20 dollars for that vase you broke when you were two. I know you were ganted pardon then, but you still owe me that $20 today.... KR, Sunetra ---------- natanarama sundaram <nr_sundaram Thu Sep 6, 2007 3:36 pm Re: [saibabanews] Karmic Doubts... SAIRAM.Ranganathan.It is true that one has to undergo Karmic fruits or otherwise.But our Swamy is GOD & knows ur previous births goods & Bads.HE can do good & Best for anyone in the Universe knowing everything which ordinary person can not judge or study.Always accept everything as our SWAMY'S prasadam.SAIRAM. ---------- " DEEPAK RAJYAGOR " <dr0729 Thu Sep 6, 2007 5:10 pm Re: [saibabanews] Karmic Doubts... Intersting question. Possible answers: Winning God's Grace is very important. Possibly removing the bad karmic debt. Another possibility is that the Lord's grace can act as a tranquilizer just like Morphine , it allows you to work out your Karmic debt but the pain is reduced. ---------- srinivas Lanka <kashyap_l2k Thu Sep 6, 2007 9:35 pm Re: [saibabanews] Karmic Doubts... Dear sairam, Our vedic wisdom says that once you are in the path of spiritual sadhana or in philosophical path, god's grace will turn you unfeeling towards travails one faces in life. Much is said than done. This needs lot of spiritual expiation to reach such a state of impersonal beatitude as maharshi's, sages and satpurusha's reached.saibhakths know how shri shirdi sai took the pangs of his devotees on himself. His reincarnation Bhagwan Satyasai has proved this on many occasions. This means the karma phala or fruits of karma cannot be escaped but Baba makes us spiritually aware of this through his sufferings by making us temporarily escaped from bearing the karmic fruits. In Guru charitra, this point has been reiterated several times when sripada srivallabha and Nrusimha Saraswati had rejuvenated the dead people back to life and several Lepers back to normalcy by postponing their karmic fruits to next births. om sairam srinivas ---------- Harendra Singh <harendra_singh Thu Sep 6, 2007 10:26 pm Re: [saibabanews] Karmic Doubts... Dear ranganath Sai Ram, Your doubt is very genuine. It is very dificult to understand Karmic theory.Truly speaking Miraculous cures too form part of Karmic results. We can understand it only when we progress further on spiritual path to the point that we genuinly understand and believe that not a blade of grass moves without His Will. Sai Ram Harendra Singh ---------- jayanthi ramesh <jayanthi_rb Thu Sep 6, 2007 11:59 pm Re: [saibabanews] Karmic Doubts... Dear Sai Brother Even I do have the same doubt for a lon time. My brother-in-law aged 42 died of cancer one and a half years ago which came as a rude shock to all in our family since we had always been doing good to others. We do have many examples to cite where the members of my family have helped people, known and unknown, to the maximum extent possible. But what we got as a result is the pathetic scene of my sister with her two daughters without any support. My aged parents could but see her in this predicament. In this case, Swamy Himself had given us hope of my Brother-in-law's survival. I still could not understand what went wrong and where. when the fruits of our karma are to be suffered, why did Swamy give us such a hope? Jayanthi Ramesh ---------- " venkata raman " <vssvijay Fri Sep 7, 2007 2:01 am Re: [saibabanews] Karmic Doubts... Sairam, Swami has already said that, if one has firm faith in God (Rama,Krishna,Sai Baba anybody), and prays devotinally to God then his sufferings come to end.No need to bear the suffering in the next coming days. In other words sufferings would not be post-phoned... (This is only becaouse of HIS Wish and Grace,That much devotion we should have....)The point here is if GOD wishes(that is his sankalp) then whatever or whomsoever, sufferings will be vanished.This is to my knowledge sairam> i submit this answer to the lotus feet of our beloved sai. Sairam. ---------- " Julie Bauer " <jbauer Fri Sep 7, 2007 1:01 am Re: [saibabanews] Karmic Doubts... Beloved Siram, From what I understand of karma, health situations were created in our past and past lives by our own choices, misuse of free will and faulty ego thinking. Health issues will reappear in this incarnation if we have not dealt with them completely but we have the Will of God within us to heal these health lessons and move on to the next lesson. We learn by the Grace of God. If we pay attention to our lessons weather they be health lessons or other spiritual tests of faith and see them as a blessing from God to help us evolve we will be able to move through them more quickly. When we clear them for our karmic record they do not come back unless we haven't completely learned the lesson and vowed not to do it again. It is similar to when by the Grace of the Lord we are healed in mind, body and spirit by God's Grace that the lesson does not return. I hope this helps Love and Blessings I AM Julie Anne ---------- " Sailaja.K " <fratern2002 Fri Sep 7, 2007 5:39 am Re: [saibabanews] Karmic Doubts... SAIRAM, Yes karmas have to be cleared by us. But in some exceptional cases, under extreme devotion of a devotee God can cancel the karma of the person. Say for example if the person has to suffer from cancer, rarely Swami might show grace and can clear it ...n there are some other cases, where Swami Himself will take the person's illness...in this case..because of the immense love towards devotee Swami can do it. Karmas, generally will be solved in 2 ways as far as I understand. one type: our sthoola rupa..means gross body can take n suffer and another type, the sukshma body(that which we wont feel) will suffer with out our knowledge between births. Some karmas can be cleared by physical suffering of the body while others by mental sufering. Some karmas can also be cleared by visiting temples, great saints or Bhagawan, the ULTIMATE So, these gross body sufferings some times cannot be taken by some people because of their body limitations...say unbearable for them as per to God's calculations....but if he is exceptionally loving to Swami n is upto His ideals, Swami still might make him healthy. Important thing is this cancelled karma means complete cancellation and not like " to be suffered later " This is only restricted to the cancellation of karma by God..otherwise, karmas in general will be carried in future births because of our limitations. In the sense, that God will give us our own fruits whether good or bad till the extent we can bear in this life, later which the rest will be carried to the next birth. God is the ultimate judge and a great mathematician in deciding what has to be suffered at what time....His calculation never goes wrong and will always be in perfect balance. This is my understanding.. May the group help you more... Sai Ram, Sailaja ---------- " Gopalakrishnan T R " <trgopalakrishnan Fri Sep 7, 2007 8:52 am Re: [saibabanews] Karmic Doubts... Sairam, Swami says that every action (and also inaction) is karma. Karma is also the consequence of such action or inaction. This may sound strange, as 'action' is Karma and its 'fruit' is again 'karma'. Many things we do or behave in certain manner in some situations are either resulting karma of our past or fresh karma as actions. Hence Swami repeatedly advises the two fundamental principles - " Help Ever, Hurt Never " and " Love All, Serve All " . This is also karma, but good karma. Regarding your genuine doubt about whether karmic fruits will appear again after Swami has effected a cure, we must try to understand the 'levels' at which Swami helps. Swami's words are final. Thus, if Swami says your 'cancer is cancelled', it means just that. The person has finished the resulting karma of some past actions " up to that point " . His good karma has brought him in the presence of Swami at the appropriate time. It could also mean that the karma of that person has been borne by Swami. Our sense of 'time' and 'suffering' does not relate to Swami. Swami has been known to take on 'Himself' the karma of what devotees might go thru' lifetimes and finish it off in a few seconds or minutes or longer if required. Swami changes the karmic laws of Nature in such cases. We see the person, but Swami sees the Soul. Swami sees the past lives and future lives of that Soul and intervenes when He feels that the devotee has much good work to offer in this lifetime and the particular disease might be an hindrance to the good work. Swami has also said that it is best if all karmas are atoned in this lifetime itself to avoid future births. Mata Amritanandamayi has given a good example of this. She explains karma by pointing out that if we throw a stone in the air, it is bound to fall back on earth. That is the Law of Nature (gravity). But if the same stone is caught while it is falling back, it does not reach the earth. The 'catching' of the stone is the Divine intervention by Swami. Regards, T R Gopalakrishnan ---------- " MANI RVS " <colonel.rvs Fri Sep 7, 2007 2:20 pm Re: [saibabanews] Karmic Doubts... Dear All OHM JAI SRI SAI RAM Recently in a Tamil Magazine, Kalki, I read the sayings of Sri Sri Kanchi Maha Periyaval, the Holy Seer. He was referring to the same point. To motivate the " Haves " to do charity in plenty to help " the Have-nots " , - his logic of reasoning was quite interesting. In my limited wisdom, I quote, " We say people suffer because of past karma and sins committed in earlier life; at the same time, when some philanthropist do some charity work, some of these people get out of their problems and become happy. How is it so? - it is only because our God is taking test of that particular philanthropist. Whether he understands the suffering of the unfortunate? whether he can willingly come to their rescue. Once it is done, he ensures that the poor is no longer poor and in need. " , I un-quote. Let us take it that the life has balances - some good and some bad. If we continue to do good, our credits go up and as destined, we may shed this mortal form and become one amongst the Supreme Being. If our debits are still to be cleared, we may even take more births. In that process, if we interpose time factor to this process, probably in the case of the cancer patient, the moment he / she gets the complete cure, we may safely assume that their debits have got cleared. Now it is only their credits that would take them to immortal bliss. The moment they come to know that because of their prayers and His Almighty's intervention, they got cured, their faith increases and they no longer do things which may accumulate towards debits. They become serene and no longer suffer because of past karmas. That is how as a lay man, I wish to see the problem. Having come out from death, do you think, even if they suffer later, will it be of any major consequence? After having blessed them, will Swamy bring them more troubles. Never. Never. Let more and more of such tribes getting out of their predicaments increase. At Lord's feet mani saibabanews , " Ranganath. B. " <brngupta wrote: > > Sairam, > > I'd a doubt for the past couple of months, reg. KARMA or KARMIC FRUITS. No solution found till date. > > It has been said that, one has to undergo thru' ones' karmic fruits both good and bad. > > Many times, shri baba has mentioned that all the good deeds that one is doing at this moment are the seeds for the future. > > I'd seen many instances from devotee experiences, saying, cancer fully got cured sort of; and of course many other incidents that our dearest sai brothers and sisters are posting here, now and then. > > If one has to undergo the sufferings of some health problem (or some other problem(s) in life) according to his past karma... and incase if it got cured completely (or, one has come out of that problem) by the grace of shri baba; i doubt, whether the karmic fruits will appear in some other form/means on a later date? > > Awaiting member comments. > > Pls. don't think otherwise, don't mistake me. This may help many other devotees here with less (or nill) faith on spiritual matters. > > Regards, > sairam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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