Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Aum Sai Ram, Can somebody throw light on two seemingly contradictory statments: All of us know to the marrow of our bones that,Nothing ,nothing happens without HIs will. And it is also true that we have to bear the fruits of our karma. What chice or awarness did we have in the first place to do anything, when Lord has willed so. I would really appreciate respone on this. Regards, Meena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Sai Ram Five developments of this question come to mind which may open it all out some more ... The first is that we can see it that every time we come into this life we come as a jig-saw puzzle. The pieces are all in a jumble in the box waiting to be opened. We are a jig-saw puzzle with a picture and it complete when we leave life again. The picture, of course, is just a surface picture. Underneath it is all the One pretending to be in pieces. He helps us choose our pieces and helps us decide when and where and how to put them in our picture. He then reworks it with His 'extra' wisdom, vision etc The combination of all this interacting in the now and added to the collective mix of this going on with everyone creates the appearance of variation and choice. The second view is we come into life as a lotus bud. We are all just buds on a stem. He knows when and how to make that bud open so that we flower into unutterable loveliness. The third is that we there is a list of roles, jobs and sacrifices up all the time and each day we select the ones we fancy on the day, Of course, He knows which ones to suggest when He whispers inaudibly in our ears before we think we choose. The fourth is karma is simply the play playing out - how we all know the script is a mystery but a Sai devotee has a very strong feeling Sai is writing the script. The fifth is that He says He has only one desire and that is to make us desireless. If everything that has anything to do with desires is taking out of the picture, what is left to give the appearance of contradiction .... God bless, Sarah (UK) - Meena .N.Nath ; Saturday, May 19, 2007 7:29 AM Query!!! Aum Sai Ram, Can somebody throw light on two seemingly contradictory statments: All of us know to the marrow of our bones that,Nothing ,nothing happens without HIs will. And it is also true that we have to bear the fruits of our karma. What chice or awarness did we have in the first place to do anything, when Lord has willed so. I would really appreciate respone on this. Regards, Meena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 om sai ram very valid points:-- When you sow a seed of Karma and whenever it yields the result and become the fruit, whether it is sweet or bitter, rest assured that you and you alone will have to eat it, whether you like it or not, and no one else will be able to eat it on your behalf, even if somebody volunteers to do so. Most of the people are under the mistaken impression that after doing one bad Karma and at the same time by doing another good Karma, they can mitigate the result of the bad Karma. Karma theory is `tit for tat, blow for blow, help for help'. We should keep in mind, that actions are an act of God, done for the sake of God, and dedicated to God, and whatever the results, are gladly acceptable to us. By feeling thus, we will not be bound by the cause and effect of the Karmic Law. Baba will take everything on Himself and set us free and help us to progress towards liberation. Baba tells us to do Namasmarana every day (singing the glory of the Lord) with pure and dedicated mind and to do Seva (service) to the poor and the needy, to the disabled and the crippled, to the sick and suffering, to the healthy and humble and to the good and the Godly people. The Divine has placed some limitations on the physical powers of man but has set no limits to the mental powers. Man can achieve whatever he resolves to achieve. He can even realise God. This Divine power is only given to human beings. It is only by loving God and getting close to Him that one can realise one's aspiration. But liberation in the ultimate sense consists in liberation from the cycle of birth and death. It is not love for kith and kin that is precious. It is love for God that is more valuable " . --too griping the explanation is!!! --A very thoughtful article to be thought of!!! It does show a path,satisfies so many questions of a disturbed mind.It guides one to bear any happy or sad moment itself and not making other waves responsible for our misfortunes.SAI's kingdom is full of justice which justifies everything but at the right time-what we need is faith and patience and we find our SAI with us --our inner strength to withstand all calamities. 'sai bless u' sai ram --- Swamy Mahadevan <mahadevanvnswamy wrote: > > KARMA THEORY > > What is Karma? > > Karma is an activity, which all the human beings > have to perform, until death releases them from this > body prison. > Man cannot live for a moment without doing Karma. > Even while he is > sleeping, the breathing process becomes his Karma. > Karma is the > cause of man's bondage to the cycle of birth and > death. The life has > been given to man to sort out the consequences of > the previous Karma > deliberately done, in many past lives, as well as in > present life. > Man cannot be liberated, until and unless he has > sorted out and > neutralized all effects of past and present Karma, > and bringing the > Karmic balance to nil. > > Many times Kriya (natural activity), is being > considered as Karma. > Kriya is a natural activity, which we perform in our > day-to-day > life, without thinking, questioning or seeking > anybody's advice. If > you get a nature's call, you would immediately run > to the toilet, > without thinking or consulting anybody. Every > morning we get up, > brush our teeth, take bath, wear clothes and go to > work, or go to > the garden, take some exercises, and do many more > such acts. Such > acts are known as Kriya. They do not bind us to the > `Law of Karma'. > Karma is the action or activity, deliberately done, > with full > knowledge and intention of the doer, and also in > expectation of > certain results in consequences thereof. This kind > of Karma binds > man to the causes and effects of the `Law of Karma'. > > There are three types of Karmas. Instant Karma, > which brings > instant result. (Such as when you slap someone in > the face and he > slaps you back, or you offer a glass of water to > someone and > somebody else offers you a glass of water. They are > action and > reaction is instantly neutralized leaving no balance > behind). > > The Mass Karma (Natural calamities like a plane > crash, train > accidents, earthquake, floods or cyclone, etc.) and > the Delayed > Karma, which baffles the human beings most because > its consequence > is not instant and immediate, but takes a much > longer time to > appear. The seed needing to be planted, the soil to > get fertilized, > and the tree to grow before its fruit can ripen. By > the time this > whole process gets over, the past actions are > totally erased from > the memory, and the person is confused when he gets > the fruit of his > past actions. But be very sure that whatever you > shall sow, so you > shall reap. The same theory applies to the `Law of > Karma'. > > When you sow a seed of Karma and whenever it yields > the result and > become the fruit, whether it is sweet or bitter, > rest assured that > you and you alone will have to eat it, whether you > like it or not, > and no one else will be able to eat it on your > behalf, even if > somebody volunteers to do so. Most of the people are > under the > mistaken impression that after doing one bad Karma > and at the same > time by doing another good Karma, they can mitigate > the result of > the bad Karma. If one does something bad to someone, > he is sure to > get it back, in the same manner, today or tomorrow, > from that very > person himself or by any other person. By the same > token, if one > does good to somebody, he is also going to benefit > in a similar > manner. Karma is not a bank account. You deposit > Rs.5000/- today, > withdraw Rs.3000/- and the balance is Rs.2000/-, so > when you again > deposit Rs.1000/-, it becomes Rs.3000/-. Karma > theory is not adding > and subtracting like a bank account. It is `tit for > tat, blow > for blow, help for help'. It is same like Newton's > 3rd law, `Action > and reaction are always equal and opposite'. > > In Bhagawad Gita, Lord Krishna has clearly declared > about the > Karma theory. He cautious, " Do the action but do not > keep the desire > of any fruit " . He further asserts " Dedicate all the > actions to Me " . > Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Baba also preaches the same, > but with a > little difference. He says, " By doing any action, > you may have a > desire, but that desire should be to find God and to > realise and > know that you are God " . He further guides us by > telling us that > whatever work we are doing and in whatever capacity > we are doing it, > we should keep in mind, that it is an act of God, > done for the sake > of God, and dedicated to God, and whatever the > results, are gladly > acceptable to us. By feeling thus, we will not be > bound by the cause > and effect of the Karmic Law. Baba will take > everything on Himself > and set us free and help us to progress towards > liberation. > > Baba has given us two paths by which we can cleanse > our mind and > make it subtle and pure, so that we are able to > understand, the > simple way to liberation. Baba tells us to do > Namasmarana every day > (singing the glory of the Lord) with pure and > dedicated mind and to > do Seva (service) to the poor and the needy, to the > disabled and the > crippled, to the sick and suffering, to the healthy > and humble and > to the good and the Godly people. This will illumine > our mind, and > we will be able to understand ourselves more > clearly. > > Baba says that man has unlimited potentialities to > realise and > know himself. In one of the recent discourses on > Ugadi day, He > said, " Embodiment of love: You can not find in the > entire Cosmos any > place or object in which God is not present. The > divine is present > on the mountains. The divine dwells in villages and > cities. The > Divine is Omnipresent. > > Only those who recognise this truth can redeem their > lives; they > alone can achieve the goal of human existence. The > powers of the > Divine are limitless. Every living being in the > world is governed by > some limitations. Birds, beasts and insects are all > taken care of by > the Divine in respect of their essential needs like > food and drink. > Among all living beings, however, the life of human > being is supreme > as it is governed by morality and the good conduct. > The Divine has > placed some limitations on the physical powers of > man but has set no > limits to the mental powers. Man can achieve > whatever he resolves to > achieve. He can even realise God. This Divine power > is only given to > human beings. > > Ignorant of his limitless divine potentialities, man > suffers from > various disabilities by considering himself as human > being. > > Man today is soaring in the sky as a bird and moving > in the ocean > like a fish. He has been able to land on the moon. > But unfortunately > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. 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Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 om sai ram Yes -it is a very valid question by sai grace.It does trouble human mind all the time regarding will of almighty.But it does happen in our life that at the time of taking some decision we use our intellect and take a very wise decision taking into consideration the benefit for the whole family.And after some time when we get very adverse results of the decision we repent for the free will of ours.That time we think of almighty .It is the case with so many of us that at the time of taking some action we exercise our free will and bring almighty at the time of facing the reaction of the action and think that why did not almighty stop us at the time of taking a particular action. yes this question of 'will' troubles our minds alot.It did happened with a student at prashanthi when he was unable to move his arm acc. to his will and with SAI grace he was able to move his body. And there are families where each and every step is taken under the direction of SAI.SAI is guiding a very small step and then the question of right and wrong does not appear at all.It is the grace of Lord which is exercising its will and taking souls to the right direction. What we need is HIS grace to exercise HIS will.ya--it is an independent journey of every soul to get the bliss of Lord's grace. Then what is the ultimate????just surrender everything at the lotus feet of SAI---all actions,reactions at HIS lotus feet and not to fall too much in the deep thinking of this subject.It is in satcharitra how Lord changed the fruits of some action taken by a devotee--it is our faith that SAI is the universal creator and nothing is impossible in HIS realm and frankly speaking when one experiences SAI with itself all the time all pains,happiness all become alike as the joy of the presence of divinity with oneself covers all the calamities. 'sai bless u' sai ram --- " Meena .N.Nath " <m_n_min wrote: > Aum Sai Ram, > > Can somebody throw light on two seemingly > contradictory statments: > > All of us know to the marrow of our bones > that,Nothing ,nothing happens without HIs will. > > And it is also true that we have to bear the > fruits of our karma. What chice or awarness did we > have in the first place to do anything, when Lord > has willed so. > > I would really appreciate respone on this. > > Regards, > > Meena > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers > from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. ______________________________\ ____Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar./toolbar/features/norton/index.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Indeed it is true that we have to bear the consequences of our actions. For we do have free-will. We know (or we should know) what is right or what is wrong. It is possible to have a road-map and still deviate from the given route. That is our choice. Swami is our 'road-map'. But man frequently chooses to go his own way, ignoring His guidance. That's man's choice. It is not true to suggest that we are lost totally and for ever. We are as the 'Prodigal Son', gone adrift in the world, but the Father still welcomes us home. He is Love. He doesn't judge us; He is the witness of our actions, not the judge. All this 'play' is happening within the 'mind' of God. And we are the players. Sai Ram. Patrick. On 19 May 2007, at 07:29, Meena .N.Nath wrote: > Aum Sai Ram, > > Can somebody throw light on two seemingly contradictory statments: > > All of us know to the marrow of our bones that,Nothing ,nothing > happens without HIs will. > > And it is also true that we have to bear the fruits of our karma. What > chice or awarness did we have in the first place to do anything, when > Lord has willed so. > > I would really appreciate respone on this. > > Regards, > > Meena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Sai Ram I used to have the same doubt, but managed to figure this simple knowledge through the Brahma Kumaris (Raja Yogis): God does not punish our bad deeds. We are responsible for our own actions. But, we can eliminate our past bad karmas either by remembering God (voluntary) or by becoming ill (involuntary). So when we sincerely remember God with love, our bad karmas gets cut off, and we are spared from 'paying back' for our bad deeds. So, in a way, its both our karma and God's will that determines our 'fate': We are blessed with 'good luck' and good outcomes due to our good karmas, and we are 'punished' and get 'bad luck' by our own bad karmas. But with loving remembrance of God, He wills to reduce the 'punishments' and bad luck. I also believe, its a person's good karma that brings him the knowledge about Baba through family, friends etc..; and it is also due to his good or bad karma that he choses to believe in Baba or not. So we can all give ourselves a pat on the back and say "I must have done some good in the past to have come to know and believe in Baba". Take care. Sai Ram. Gowri "Meena .N.Nath" <m_n_min wrote: Aum Sai Ram, Can somebody throw light on two seemingly contradictory statments: All of us know to the marrow of our bones that,Nothing ,nothing happens without HIs will. And it is also true that we have to bear the fruits of our karma. What chice or awarness did we have in the first place to do anything, when Lord has willed so. I would really appreciate respone on this. Regards, Meena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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