Krsnawonders--Srila Prabhupada speaks on: The Envious And The Mercifulþ

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,on behalf of Pragosh das!!! " The Envious And The Merciful "

 

Melbourne, May 19, 1975

 

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Madhudvisa: They take great trouble to bring trees from all over the

different parts of the world to put in the botanical gardens.

Prabhupada: Very nice gardens. Hardly there is such nice botanical

gardens in the world. I have seen many botanical... Very nice. [break]

This swan is black and the crow is black, but crow's place is different,

their place is different, although they are birds. The crows will enjoy

a filthy place where all refuses are thrown. I don't think in your

country there is many crows. In India, you've seen, all nasty place,

that is visited by the crows. It is stated in Srimad-Bhagavatam, na yad

vacas citra-padam harer yaso jagat-pavitram pragrnita karhicit, tad

vayasam tirtham [sB 1.5.10]. The literature which does not describe

Krsna, that is the place for the crows. There is sex literature, they're

enjoyed by the crows, and this Bhagavatam is enjoyed by the swans. That

is the difference. Crow's literature and swan's literature, paramahamsa.

Paramo nirmatsaranam satam vastavam vastu vedyam atra [sB 1.1.2].

Everyone in this material world, they're envious. Their business is to

become envious. I am envious of you, you are envious of me. This is

material world. And the paramahamsas, Vaisnava, they're kind, they're

merciful. " Ah, this fallen soul is suffering for want of Krsna. Let us

preach. " That is the difference. The envious and the nonenvious. That is

paramahamsa. Titiksavah karunikah [sB 3.25.21]. They are not only not

envious, but they're merciful. They'll suffer so many troubles for their

preaching work, still they'll do that. Titiksava. A preacher has to

suffer so many inconvenience. You had to suffer in here?

Madhudvisa: Where?

Prabhupada: In Australia.

Madhudvisa: Yes, we had some suffering.

Prabhupada: Everywhere. Now you have seen that letter? We have been

permitted by the federal government to sell our books in the airport.

Madhudvisa: Yes, that is a major breakthrough.

Prabhupada: The judge might have seen our literature, " It is such a nice

literature they are selling, they must be given permission. " [break] No

husband, no children, one dog. (laughter) Just see.

Children-contraceptive. And dog-welcome.

Woman: Good morning.

Prabhupada: Good morning.

Devotee: Hare Krsna. (laughter)

Prabhupada: For children-kill them. This is Kali-yuga. They are killing

their own children and patting a dog. Just see how much fallen they are,

and they're passing as civilized. Fourth class. Complaining of

overpopulation, and the dog gives birth at a time half a dozen -- there

is no overpopulation, welcome; we shall maintain them. Huh? They're

giving twice in a year, or once in a, even once in a year, that is no

overpopulation. A man gives one or two birth, it is overpopulation.

Formerly they are begetting hundred children. At that time there was no

complaint of overpopulation. At that time, the description in the

history is kamam vavarsa parjanyah [sB 1.10.4]. On account of good

rains, the earth used to produce immense necessities of life. Just like

this portion is maintained with sufficient water, there is green

everywhere. So if there is sufficient rain, everywhere you can do. Where

is the question of overpopulation? [break] ...population you work for

growing food. No. Some of them are becoming hippies, no work. And some

of them are working for manufacturing tire tube, tools, that's all.

Where is food? Still there is food, but they'll not work for this, for

growing food.

Madhudvisa: They have run one survey...

Prabhupada: Hm.

Madhudvisa: ...and they have found out that the people of Australia

spend so much money on feeding their pets that two hundred thousand

people per year could be fed with the money that is used to feed the

pets.

Prabhupada: Just see.

Devotee: What is the population of Australia?

Madhudvisa: Two hundred thousand people a year.

Prabhupada: If they spend money for the poor country, they'll not do

that. Sinful man is given this form of tea(?), a tree. So, but nature is

so nice that even the sinful living entities can beautify. How properly

utilized. But they have no fruits and flowers.

Madhudvisa: No. Kali-yuga trees. [break]

Prabhupada: ...are available here? No.

Devotee: Popper? Yes.

Prabhupada: Indian store here? No.

Devotee: Indian import store?

Madhudvisa: Yes. Indian import store they have. We have papadams.

Prabhupada: Take the dal, urad dal, and make it powder like flour, and

knead it with oil. And give masala and then make like capati. And when

it is dry it is papad. It is not difficult. Add little soda-bicarb.

Madhudvisa: Make it stiff.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Madhudvisa: Hm.

Prabhupada: Powder dal, then I can show you how to do it.

Madhudvisa: Powder dal. We can put the dal in a grinder...

Prabhupada: Hm.

Madhudvisa: ...and grind it up.

Prabhupada: Now it is not (indistinct). The widows, because widows,

there is no widow marriage. So widows, they earn their livelihood by

making papad and guri. They prepare at home guri, papad, and sell and

make their livelihood.

Madhudvisa: : You have said that you have nullified the law of gravity,

but how can we explain that everything is falling down?

Prabhupada: Yes, the green leaves not falling down -- the dry leaves

falling down, under certain condition. So it is not the law of

gravitation. Why the green leaves does not fall down? Only the rejected

things are falling. The rejected, you also throw away, so nature is

throwing away. Where is the question of gravity?

Madhudvisa: When they go up in the space ship there is such a force

holding the rocket ship down, they must have...

Prabhupada: That is everything. Everything, everything will fall down on

the ground, but the controlling power is the air. If the air is

adjusted, then it will not fall down.

Madhudvisa: That's why when they go into outer space they become

weightless, they can float without any airplane.

Prabhupada: That, what they're doing (indistinct). But we see that if

you can make adjustment in the air, just like we see the heavy cloud

bearing many million tons of water, they do not fall down, they float.

Where is the law of gravity?

Amogha: (laughs) Hare Krsna. You also give that example of those big

birds.

Prabhupada: Yes. Big, big birds, they carry elephant.

Madhudvisa: We have not seen such a bird. (devotees laugh)

Prabhupada: What you have seen? You have seen your father and mother,

that's all. What you have seen? You are still in the womb of your

mother. What you you have seen? You can simply falsely speculate, that's

all. What you have seen? Are you seeing the stars now? Why you are not

seeing? The stars are there, why you are not seeing?

Madhudvisa: My eyes are not good enough.

Prabhupada: Therefore if you have got imperfect eyes, what you can see?

First of all you admit that you have got imperfect eyes. Then what you

can see with your imperfect eyes? If you are a blind man, what is the

use of telling, " I do not see. " You are blind man, what you can see?

First of all you admit that you are blind man, then talk of seeing.

Therefore Vedic literature... Sastra-caksus. You should see through

sastra, not your these blind eyes. Sastra says there is Krsna, He is

doing like that. Cintamani-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vrk... You should see

like that. What you see with your eyes? Why you are so proud of your

eyes? Blind eyes. That is submission. Do you see who is your father? Why

do you accept by the recommendation of the mother that " Here is your

father. " Do you see who is your father? Then what is the use of telling,

" I want to see " ? What you can see? You have to take the authority of the

mother. Mother says, " Here is your father, " that's all. You cannot say,

" I have not seen that he is my father. " Can you say? So there is no

value of this statement, " I do not see " or " We cannot see. "

Madhudvisa: In other books, Srila Prabhupada, it says things and then in

time you can see them, you can substantiate them. But some of the

descriptions in the Bhagavatam are so fantastic that people, I mean, its

very difficult for people to even...

Prabhupada: Therefore you have to believe only. You have to accept what

Bhagavata says. That is your business. Not to try to make an experiment.

That is not possible. It is already experimented, and the mature

knowledge is stated there. You have to accept, that's all.

Sruti-pramana. Sruti means Vedas. Evidence... Vedic literature there are

three kinds of evidences. The most powerful evidence is sruti. If it is

stated in the Vedas, that is first-class evidence. Therefore whatever we

say, immediately quote some Vedic version, that is the way of

understanding. Krsna says, Vyasadeva says, Parasara says, that's all. We

don't require much proof. This is the first-class proof, when you find

the statement corroborated by the Vedas. And sruti, smrti. Smrti means

literature written according to the Vedic version. Sruti-smrti-puranadi

[brs. 1.2.101]. Puranadi is itihasa, history. And another pramana is

anumana. And anumana means " by right person. " Thinking that it may be

like this, anumana. That is called anumana.

Madhudvisa: Would that be like the songs written by Bhaktivinoda and

things like that?

Prabhupada: Huh? Yes.

Devotee: Srila Prabhupada, you said that the songs written by the great

acaryas are expansions of the holy name. Could you explain that?

Prabhupada: What is that?

Madhudvisa: The songs written by the great acaryas are said to be

expansions of the holy name.

Prabhupada: Yes, glorify. Trees live for thousands of years, five

thousand, six thousand. Fig tree and banyan tree, they do not die.

Madhudvisa: They must be especially sinful. They get five thousand years

as a tree.

Prabhupada: No, they are most pious. Because you want to live more by

science, so they are also living more years. What is the use of such

living, like tree? Therefore Bhagavata says taravo kim na jivanti. You

are trying to live more years by scientific advancement, but do the

trees not live for many, many years? What you will gain by that? Suppose

you live for three thousand years, what you will gain if you remain

ignorant? Better live for a few years and understand that this material

world is worse, I have to go to the spiritual world and meet Krsna. That

knowledge will help you. You live for ten years, but get this knowledge,

Krsna consciousness. That is perfect life. And what is the use of living

like this tree for many thousands of years without any knowledge?

[break] ...cars, they have come to botanical garden? No.

Madhudvisa: No, they go, they park their cars here and they walk into

town.

Prabhupada: Ah. Why?

Madhudvisa: They don't like to pay money for parking space. They park

out here and walk into their different office buildings. [break]

Prabhupada: It is said (Bengali). A villager, very poor man, he says, " I

am very poor man. I live on eating the grasshoppers. "

Madhudvisa: Grasshoppers.

Prabhupada: Yes. " I have no money. But when I go to pass stool, I ride

on a horse. " They cannot pay parking fare, but still they keep a

carriage. (laughs) (Bengali). Because the villagers go to the field for

passing stool, so this gariba man, this poor man, goes on a horse.

Leaves can be also utilized as fire, but they do not know that. In India

they collect, poor man, and use as fuel, they cook food. All this dry

twigs and this, that can be used as fuel, at the same time the ground

will be cleansed.

Madhudvisa: In India there is no problem with litter. There is no litter

problem. No problem about paper and things thrown around because

everything that is thrown in the street is immediately taken up by some

form of beggar or some form of animal.

Prabhupada: Municipal sweeper also. [break] Similarly we can go to the

place where there is simply pleasing atmosphere. Simply we have to

become purified. That is required. But they don't want to be purified,

they want to become more entangled in sinful life, illicit sex,

meat-eating. That they do not know that " I am entangling myself. Instead

of being purified, I am becoming more and more entangled. " This is

ignorance. [break] ...criticize us, shaven-headed. They don't criticize

long hairs, but shaven-headed. Just see. If you don't criticize the long

hairs, why should criticize the shaven-headed? But they criticize us. So

regularly they are going out?

Madhudvisa: Sankirtana?

Prabhupada: Huh?

Madhudvisa: Oh, yes.

Prabhupada: That's nice. That is wanted. Live here very nicely and go

back to home, back to Godhead. Why should you die like cats and dogs?

Die like a human being and be freed from all these material anxieties.

But their determination is that they must live in this hellish

condition. They do not believe in the next life. If they believe in the

next life, then it becomes horrible. They want to avoid this question.

" No, no there is no life. Enjoy to the best capacity now. " Enjoy. We do

not say that don't enjoy, but enjoy so that you may not be implicated.

There is no harm having big house, comfortable life, but keep Krsna,

chant Hare Krsna. What is the wrong there? Hm? Madhudvisa Maharaja, if

they chant Hare Krsna in these big, big skyscraper buildings, what is

their loss?

Madhudvisa: Hm.

Prabhupada: Huh? There is no loss, still they will not do it. We don't

say that don't live in the... We are living in nice building; you also

live in nice building. But see, do, see what we are doing there.

Everyone can do it. Everyone can... That is Vedic culture, and

everywhere Visnu, Narayana-sila is worshiped. At least the higher

castes, brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya -- not the sudras. Don't eat meat,

don't have intoxication, no illicit sex, have Krsna's picture, chant

Hare Krsna, make nice preparation, where is the difficulty? Take this

civilization.

Devotee: Many karmis think, Srila Prabhupada, that you are born and then

you die and that is the finish.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Devotee: Many karmis think that you are born and then you die and then

finish.

Prabhupada: No. That is not the fact. You are born a child, then you get

a youthful body, where you are finished? Does it mean that when the

childish body is finished, the soul is also finished? Why he remembers,

" Oh I was a child like this. " This is simple argument. Where you are

finished?

Madhudvisa: You can see the progression. When you are born you are

small...

Prabhupada: Yes.

Madhudvisa: ...when you die, you are big.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Madhudvisa: So that is progression. So how can they say that progression

will stop?

Prabhupada: Yes. That is another foolishness to say like that, that with

the body everything is finished. Where it is finished? [break]

....supposed to be educated, advanced in civilization, and this simple

truth they cannot understand. Mudha. Where is finishing? Why you are

trying to live for many years? Why don't you welcome death? (devotees

begin kirtana) Hare Krsna. (end)

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