Guest guest Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > > Namashkar Very good question indeed ! If we understand Krishna, we will really understand the hinduism and the way to live in kaliyuga. Kauravas did so much wrong from the beginning....poisoning Bhim.. depriving pandavas of the kingdom and when they made their own kingdom that was snatched by crook ways... they tried to kill pandavas in lakshagriha... called draupadi a prostitute. and during all these tyrannies, Krishna never asked Pandavas to fight. Why ? Because Krishna knew there is lot of negativity in Pandavas that needs to be fought first !! Exile of pandavas for 13 years...arjuna's tapasaya and all the happenings in jungles... helped pandavas to fight the negativity inside and become stronger and purer. Even at the last moment of Mahabharat... krishna offered to go as Peace Ambassador. It is only when both the armies were face to face... Krishna sounded his Panchjanya Shankh and asked Arjuna to Fight. so in a nut shell.. Krishna does want us to be pure and strong inside before fighting the negativity outside.... and after wards it becomes the fight of Krishna.. we fight it or not !!! He wil force us to fight ! with love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 Om Nama Shivaya. ShantnuJi, BabaJI, PyariJi., Namaskar. How can a person who has not won the internal war be correct to wage a war externally? It would be disasterous as Kauravas who never fought the internal war but with creed and selfpride waged the external war and ended up nowhere. Even krishna did the tricks and helped only Arjuna and his team to wage the external war cleaning the internal war doubhts. Gandhi and Russel who have come accross people of kauravas aswell as pandavas felt if GITA also taught us to wage exteral war, the world will end in chaos, where as Aurabindo or Osho came accross people who wished / were fighting the inner war would have said this coz they would understand the cause and consequence of the external war. Pls correct my veiws are wrong. Shivaya Namah aum. Thiruchitrambalam. Senthil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 , " Senthil " <senthil_sym wrote: > > Om Nama Shivaya. > ShantnuJi, BabaJI, PyariJi., > Namaskar. Dear senthil, this is precisely what I said in my post.... without fighitng internal war, Krishna never asked Pandavas to fight in Mahabharat. love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 So Babaji & Senthilji, if Pakistanis attack us, we should wait for our Army to become " internaly pure " before responding? Maybe thats why almost everyone ruled us for 1000 years? And Arjun & the Pandavas werent internaly pure! They were purer than Kauravs, but not perfectly pure in themself. A perfectly pure person loses interest in the world & its petty problems. Senthilji, you say Gandhi & Russel met certain types of people, so they preferred non violence, while Autobindo met other types of people. Not true! Russel was an armchair academic. Aurobindo was a fiery revolutionary before becoming a Sadhu. So Aurobindo met both types of people- violent & non-violent. The difference b/w Gandhi & Russel on 1 hand, & Arvind & Osho on the other, is that Gandhi & co. were talking froma purely mental/intellectual level. Sri Arvind & Osho had actual practical meditation experience, & they were talking from there. Gandhi was just an intellectual, although a lucky one. What would have happened to his Satyagraha if Hitler had ruled India- he would have been shot! What would have happened to Gandhi if he was born during Muslim invasions of India? Thats why his theories are intellectual- they work only in some cases. Thats why I dont agree with his claim that Gitas battle is purely internal- it can be internal, but also external if the circumstances require it. Thats what Aurobindo & Osho stress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > > So Babaji & Senthilji, if Pakistanis attack us, we should wait for LOL.... fighting of army to protect the country is altogether different thing. When someone comes to hit me.. my first job is to save myself... internally pure or not. and same Pandavas did in the War of Viraat...they fought and defeated Kauravas without Krishna's help. about Pandavas, it was not a war as a war between India and Pakistan.. and Krishna wanted to destroy the negativity with the help of positive energy...hence he purged Pandavas. And when war ended...even pandavas vanished as they were only working as tools For a spiritual person this formula fits that he has to fight the internal negativity first and then if external negativity attacks he has to fight with them. this rule does not apply to common men, nations and societies.. their energies keep fighting with each other and prove each other's supermacy.. of course that too is a game of Krishna.. but in this case..Krishna is on neither side. Had Krishna being on India side, Pakistan would have bee destroyed. who knows these wars and terrorists attack on India by Pakis are purging in a way love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 Om Nama Shivaya. ShantnuJI, Gita can be intepreted for both internal and external wars. Krishna advised to do the duties. If you are a sathriya you have to protect your country and people, if you are a business man you have to make profits to provide work for the labours, if you are a farmer you have to cultivate to feed the people, just do your duties rest will be taken care by him. So its the sathriyas duty to fight for his country, other can help him instead should not ignite a fight or wage a war which may give fatal results. Spiritually gita has to be taken into account to fight internal war. Gita teaches us to controll the rush of blood. But as said by Osho tamoguna canot be subsidised but should be drained out. but how many people will do it in a way without hurting others? Osho and Aurobindo said so coz their teaching are read/followed by people who are interested in fighting the internal war and yes then these people can understand the cause and consequences of external war. but where as Gandhi was followed blindly by lot of lay man, who would misinterpret Gita if it was said to wage external war. Gita for internal or external war should be understood in a right way. Shivaya Namah Aum. Thiruchitrambalam. Senthil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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