BIBLE DISPROVES BIBLE?

[Guest guest]

CHRISTIANS DISPROVE BIBLE.

 

Christians themselves disprove THE HOLY BIBLE.

Bible quotes Jesus as saying " I am the way , I am the truth, and I am the life

,, but through Me no one can reach the Heavenly Father " .

1)In other words , no one can go to heaven except by accepting Jesus Christ as

the ONLY SAVIOR.

In that case what happens to all those who were born and died before Jesus

Christ was born ? ie those who lived on this earth more than 2007 years ago and

before? They had no chance to accept Jesus as their savior. VIRGIN MARY herself

never confessed her sins before Christ and did not accept him as the only

Savior.

2)Present Christians claim that those who don`t accept Jesus now are destined

to burn in hell eternally after death.They are condemned forever.These condemned

people include New born children (who can not accept or deny Jesus), young

children who don`t understand Bible or any other scripture.

3)There is only ONE GOD,ONE BIBLE and ONE JESUS. But Christians are grouped

into umpteen types named CHURCHES; like Roman catholics, Anglicans,and

Protestants. Among protestants there are churches like Canadian

baptists,Methodists,Trinity Lutherans,Pentacostals, Presbytarians, Jehova`s

witnesses, Chritadelphians,Seventh day adventists and several ohers. Members of

one church do not marry members of other churches. Each church claims that their

interpretation of Bible is the only correct one. Each church believes that

members of other church can not go to heaven after death. So converts from other

religions must convert onlu to one church which according to others is NOT TRUE

CHRISTIANITY. Members of all other churches GO TO THE ETERNAL HELL after death.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU "

<jiragavarapu

 

 

I am not sure how the closed-mindedness of churches and individuals

shows any findings that the Bible disproves itself. The only thing that

I had seen written is something that has gone on for ages amongst all

peoples. Vaishnavas and Shaivites are good example of two competing

sects (or churches). If your only point was to show the awkwardness of

the churches in american culture, then you have forgotten to mention

the mormons who were founded in the mid 1800's by Joseph Smith.

 

I am sure that you have done extensive studies of the Bible to have

been able to come to the conclusion that it disproves itself. Perhaps

you will be able to post at least twenty exerpts from the Bible: which

book, chapter, and version. Along with the version of the Bible(s)

being quoted and the translation/translator(s).

 

In regards to Jesus, hinduism has shown me that Jesus is one of the

most popular gurus in known history. Is it not the guru whom we put our

complete faith and trust in so that we may be able to become once again

complete in the Lord/Paramatman?

[Guest guest]

If Jesus Christ is one of the " Guru " s I am ready to pray to Jesus . Christians

quoting Bible say " He is the ONLY GURU " .And those who don`t follow Him are

pagans condemned for hell.I am only against conversion , not against Christ or

Christianity.

ijswamy

 

caisuir <no_reply > wrote:

, " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU "

<jiragavarapu

 

I am not sure how the closed-mindedness of churches and individuals

shows any findings that the Bible disproves itself. The only thing that

I had seen written is something that has gone on for ages amongst all

peoples. Vaishnavas and Shaivites are good example of two competing

sects (or churches). If your only point was to show the awkwardness of

the churches in american culture, then you have forgotten to mention

the mormons who were founded in the mid 1800's by Joseph Smith.

 

I am sure that you have done extensive studies of the Bible to have

been able to come to the conclusion that it disproves itself. Perhaps

you will be able to post at least twenty exerpts from the Bible: which

book, chapter, and version. Along with the version of the Bible(s)

being quoted and the translation/translator(s).

 

In regards to Jesus, hinduism has shown me that Jesus is one of the

most popular gurus in known history. Is it not the guru whom we put our

complete faith and trust in so that we may be able to become once again

complete in the Lord/Paramatman?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

My experience with Christians is either they are very tolerant &

humble folk, who respect everyone, or they are hate spilling fanatics.

There are no middle men!

 

Again, I might be making a very general( & wrong) observation, but most

European Christians are very tolerant, & quiet. Americans, on the

other hand, want to burn everyone in hell.

 

Unfortunately, the leaders are very fanatical. So while many Christian

Churches(individual branches) complained loudly about poor treatment

of Muslims worldwide in Bushs secret prisons, the Pope himself was

happyily attacking Muslims!

 

Christianity, like Islam, is going thru its own struggle, with a few

extreme people claiming to speak for many. This is the problem with

all centralised, " 1 book 1 God " religons...............

[Guest guest]

Caisuir has written a beautiful sentence...that after knowing Hinduism

she started knowing the truth of christianity

 

Gandhiji said the same thing...I respect your religion, because my

religion (hinduism) has taught me to see the beauty of other faiths

 

We all know how christians and muslims are making fun of hinduism

in the name of rituals, cows, idols etc etc...

 

But a True Hindu will still see the truth of other faiths..and will

not induldge in wasting his time in findind their faults

 

All rivers are rushing towards ocean... and all faiths are pointing

towards Truth..

 

with love

[Guest guest]

Namaste. Well said. I'll reinforce it with more Hindu scriptural

quotes from my old post.

 

In Bhagavad Gita 4.11 Lord DECLARES-

 

'ye yathA mAM prapadyante

tAM stathaiva bhajAmyaham,

mama vartmAnu vartante

manuSyAH pArtha sarvazaH'

 

'According to the MANNER in WHICH they SURRENDER to ME,

I FAVOR them in that VERY SAME manner.

O son of Pritha, all human beings always FOLLOW MY PATH

in EVERY WAY!!'

 

This is also remembered by the great devotee Prahlada in Srimad

Bhagavatam:

 

naisa paravara-matir bhavato nanu syat

jantor yathatma-suhrdo jagatas tathapi

samsevaya surataror iva te prasadah

sevanurupam udayo na paravaratvam

 

[sB 7.9.27]

 

" Like the ordinary living entity, my Lord,

You have no such discrimination,

thinking like 'He is my friend; he is my enemy;

he is favorable; he is unfavorable.'

Such conception of low grade and high grade You have not got.

 

But according to one's level of attachment and dedication,

You offer them benediction exactly like the desire tree offers

fruits according to the desire of the person.

 

The desire tree has no distinction of low grade and high grade

position of the recepient but simply fulfills his wish. "

 

Krama-sandarbha: surataror yathA «yogyo'yaM bhajatu, ayogyo'yaM mA

bhajatu» iti vaiSamyaM nAsti, kintu saMsevamAnAnAm eva sambandhe

prasAda eva syAt, tathA tavety arthaH |

 

Just as a desire tree does not judge who is deserving and who is not,

but shows its pleasure to anyone who approaches it, so it is with You.

 

Please note that the words 'seva', 'bhajatau' (followed by 'prasada'),

have very specific meanings of " dedication " . Thus we can only have

prasAda- Grace through sevA and bhajana.

 

Visvanatha: guNa-doSAdikam avicArayatas tasya svAzrita-mAtre yathA

prasAdaH, tathA tavApi |

 

Just as the desire tree does not judge the flaws and virtues of those

who take shelter of it before showing its pleasure, so too it is with

You, O Lord.

 

na tasya kas'cid dayitaH suhrttamo

na cApriyo dveSya upekSya eva vA

tathApi bhaktAn bhajate yathA tathA

sura-drumo yadvad upAz'rto 'rtha-dah

 

The Supreme Lord has no favorite and no dearmost friend,

nor does He consider anyone undesirable, despicable or fit to be

neglected.

All the same, He lovingly reciprocates with His devotees

in whatever manner they worship Him,

just as the trees of heaven fulfill the desires of whoever approaches

them.

 

-Srimad Bhagavatam 10.38.22

 

Within Your mind there can be no such differentiation as " This one is

mine, and that is another's, " because You are the Supreme Absolute

Truth, the Soul of all beings, always equipoised and enjoying

transcendental happiness within Yourself.

 

Just like the heavenly desire tree, You bless all who properly worship

You, granting their desired fruits according to the loving dedication

for You. There is nothing unacceptable in this.

 

- Srimad Bhagavatam 10.72.6

 

Gita.7.21

 

'yo yo yAM yAM tanuH bhaktaH

zraddhayA'rcituMicchati

tasya tasyAcalAM zraddhAM

tAmeva vidadhAmy aham'

 

'WHATEVER FORM any devotee with FAITH wishes to WORSHIP,

I MAKE that faith of HIS STEADY and STRONG towards that VERY FORM!'

 

Even Shruti confirms this:

 

Sathapatha BrAhmaNam:

 

tam yathA yathOpAsatE tadaiva bhavati

 

BhagavAn takes the form desired by the human beings

worshipping Him in whatever way they wish to see Him

 

" yAnti devavratA devAn pitRn yAnti pitRvratAH,

bhUtAni yAnti bhUtejyA yAnti madyAgino 'pi mAm "

 

B.Gita 9.25

 

'Votaries of the Devas (Heavenly gods) go to the Devas;

the votaries of Pitrus (Spirits and ancestors) go to the Pitrus;

to the Bhutas (higher evolved beings) go the Bhuta worshippers;

MY VOTARIES come to ME.'

 

 

- He gives us WHAT we PRAY for. The best that we can do is NOT to ASK

Him for anything but GIVE OURSELVES over to Him.

 

He in His turn gives Himself to us.

 

 

Jaya Sri Radhey!

 

 

 

, beirut_ka_baba <no_reply wrote:

 

> But a True Hindu will still see the truth of other faiths..and will

> not induldge in wasting his time in findind their faults

>

> All rivers are rushing towards ocean... and all faiths are pointing

> towards Truth..

[Guest guest]

Vaishnavas are more fanatics and hate mongers than christians.

 

Vaishnavas reject everything else in hinduism than their idiotic

and emotional bhakti.

 

Has anybody any explanation ?

[Guest guest]

Om Nama shivaya.

Maitrayeeji please,

Hinduism or Shaivam does not teach us hatred or enemity. Pls calm

down, if you have a particular problem pls open mindedly discuss here

instead of concluding, and ending up in total hatred. You have a very

nice group of freinds and sadhaks here to discuss.

Shivaya Namah Aum.

Thiruchitrambalam.

Senthil.

[Guest guest]

I dont hate Bible or Christianity. In fact till recently I visited several

churches and prayed in houses of Christians and churches. I love Christ . But

their version " only Christians go to heaven " is unacceptable.

I am secular in outlook.

thanks

 

Senthil <senthil_sym wrote:

Om Nama shivaya.

[Guest guest]

I dont hate anyone. In fact I visited several churches and prayed to Jesus. I

went to Christian houses and prayed in groups. But no two pastors gave the same

interpretation for the same Bible verse. The book of REVELATION confuses

pastors more than church goers. I am secular in outlook.

 

maitrayee_ch <no_reply > wrote:

Vaishnavas are more fanatics and hate mongers than christians.

 

Vaishnavas reject everything else in hinduism than their idiotic

and emotional bhakti.

 

Has anybody any explanation ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, maitrayee_ch <no_reply wrote:

Dear Maitrayee

You have asked for explanation. But I am afraid that you would not

accept any explanation as you have already reached a conclusion as

asking for explanations on a subject is the first step to reach to a

conclusion.

And, to remind you, Bhakti is not idiotic thing. It is the bliss of

God. It is the ladder to reach the top floor (God). A Gyani or a

Hathyogi or all other Sadhaks have to be Bhakta before reaching the

Ultimate. Bhakti's first step is Faith and the Faith develping

slowly turn into Bhakti.

 

>

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> Vaishnavas are more fanatics and hate mongers than christians.

>

> Vaishnavas reject everything else in hinduism than their

idiotic

> and emotional bhakti.

>

> Has anybody any explanation ?

>

[Guest guest]

This is one of the few subjects I feel I can be of

help because I grew up being catholic. I began

studying other religions because of what other people

have already said. Different priests and churches

interpret the bible differently and christians

strongly believe they are right and everyone else is

wrong. A few evil men have taken advantage of this and

waged wars on other countries in the name of god. In

the name of god many indians in the U.S and Mexico

where killed. Men who blindly believe they are better

than others you will find in every religion, so do not

judge everyone in a group. (All branches of

christianity mean well, but some get carried away

 

" be the change you want to see in the world " ghandi

 

Have a great day! and I hope I helped a bit.

 

Jose Gonzalez

 

 

--- " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU " <jiragavarapu

wrote:

 

> I dont hate Bible or Christianity. In fact till

> recently I visited several churches and prayed in

> houses of Christians and churches. I love Christ .

> But their version " only Christians go to heaven " is

> unacceptable.

> I am secular in outlook.

> thanks

>

> Senthil <senthil_sym wrote:

> Om Nama shivaya.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Om Namah shivaya.

Nice quote Mr.Jose.

> " be the change you want to see in the world " ghandi

>

could you pls explain the spirituality taught by Christianity in a

simple way, as when ever i ask my christian freinds about a few things

related to spirituality, but they end up saying its the Gods wish and

command. Like for example i asked what is the reason why a just born

dies at a very early age against a person who killed someone lives a

longer period?.....

 

Could you pls explain Mr.Jose. (iam not trying to disprove or defame

Christianity in any ways., rather what i understood was christianity

teaches on one particular branch BAKTHI MARG and has not gone beyond

it.)

Thanks & Best Regards

Om Namah Shivaya.

Thiruchitrambalam.

Senthil.

[Guest guest]

Hello Mr. Om Namah Shivaya.

 

I do not think Christianity teaches much about

how to live, and understand life. It has mostly rules

and stories. Although some stories can make almost no

sense. There are a few that I like. And have helped a

lot of Christians live a good quality of life.

 

The only story that I can think of that relates to

your question starts out with the Devil having a

conversation with god. They are talking about a person

who is very devoted to god, and thankful for all the

blessings that god has bestowed upon him (Big farm,

animals, lots of kids)

 

So the devil says " you know the only reason he is

so devoted to you is because you gave him all he could

possibly want " so god says " I think your wrong...

watch I will take away his house and he will still

love me "

 

So the House is taken away from the man and he

still is thankful for his blessings. The devil is

still not convinced so god kills all the farm animals,

and the man still loves him... then his family is

killed and he still shows love towards god... Then his

health, and the man finally complains, but god is not

mad because the man has proven his devotion. So he

blesses the man with a new family, house, farm animals

and renewed health.

 

The only things I take from the story is to keep

your faith strong always. I guess thats why a lot of

Christians respond with answers like " its gods

will " ... In a way the story teaches detachment from

possessions and people, but not with the detail or

clarity of bhaki yoga.

 

Have a great day everybody!

 

Jose Gonzalez

[Guest guest]

Spirituality is very strong in Christianity, especially Roman

Catholicism and the Orthodox. Due to the popularity of Protestantism,

a disease that I would like to call " over-simplification, " the basic

teachings have been distorted into just focusing on the Macro-comsos,

while denying one's inner life.

 

These are the basic tenets on a person's purpose in life according to

RC's and Orthodox:

 

To Unite one's Self with God/Jesus Christ (examples are St. John of

the Cross, St. Benedict, St. Theresa of Avila{Yogananda has spoken

highly of her}, and St. Anthony the Great)

 

A person has the ultimate freewill, and thus lives in a perpetual

state of co-creation with God and self. It is a mutual sense of

creation......

 

I will continue my explanation when I gain more time. However, I will

leave you with this, the Bible verse that is a universal call to

study ALL religions, to go through MANY paths, and etc. This sounds a

lot like what Sri Ramakrishna and Aurobindo did through their lives

on earth.

 

Sirach 39: 1-11

 

1

How different the man who devotes himself to the study of the law of

the Most High! He explores the wisdom of the men of old and occupies

himself with the prophecies;

2

He treasures the discourses of famous men, and goes to the heart of

involved sayings;

3

He studies obscure parables, and is busied with the hidden meanings

of the sages.

4

He is in attendance on the great, and has entrance to the ruler.

5

He travels among the peoples of foreign lands to learn what is good

and evil among men.

6

His care is to seek the LORD, his Maker, to petition the Most High,

To open his lips in prayer, to ask pardon for his sins. Then, if it

pleases the LORD Almighty, he will be filled with the spirit of

understanding; He will pour forth his words of wisdom and in prayer

give thanks to the LORD,

7

Who will direct his knowledge and his counsel, as he meditates upon

his mysteries.

8

He will show the wisdom of what he has learned and glory in the law

of the LORD'S covenant.

9

Many will praise his understanding; his fame can never be effaced;

Unfading will be his memory, through all generations his name will

live;

10

Peoples will speak of his wisdom, and in assembly sing his praises.

11

While he lives he is one out of a thousand, and when he dies his

renown will not cease.