Bhagavad-gita Class Ch 9 Tects.4-7 Spoken By His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada--Krsna is Everywhere -11/24/66

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" Krishna Is Everywhere And Still Source "

 

66/11/24 New York, Bhagavad-gita 9.4-7

 

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Prabhupada:

 

maya tatam idam sarvam

jagad avyakta-murtina

mat-sthani sarva-bhutani

na caham tesv avasthitah

 

So this verse we have discussed last day. The Lord says that " All the

universal planets, they are resting on My energy. " The weightlessness energy,

according to the modern materialistic science, how it is possible? That

weightlessness we cannot manufacture. It is by nature's law, or, of course,

modern scientists, they take nature as the Supreme, but Bhagavad-gita, or the

persons who are theistic, they do not take nature as the Supreme. Supreme is the

Lord. Behind the nature there is Lord. We'll find in the Bhagavad-gita,

 

mayadhyaksena prakrtih

suyate sa-caracaram

hetunanena kaunteya

jagad viparivartate

[bg. 9.10]

 

The Lord says, mayadhyaksena. Mayadhyaksena means " under My

superintendence. Under My superintendence. " So material nature cannot play such

wonderful things unless there is hand behind it, the Lord's hand. That is to be

accepted. You cannot see. You cannot give an example where material things are

automatically working. You have no such example in your experience. Matter is

inert. Without spiritual touch, there is no possibility of acting. Matter cannot

act automatically. Just like you take for example a nice arrangement of machine,

wonderful, but unless a person touches that machinery, it cannot work. It cannot

work. And what is that person? That person is spirit, the driver, the engineer.

He's a spirit. So without spiritual touch, oh, nothing can move. It is simply

ignorance that we say that matter is moving automatically. No, that is not

possible. You cannot show any example within your experience or in the history

that matter is moving automatically, no.

 

So the Lord says that " All these planets, all this universe, they are

resting on My impersonal energy. " So His energy is impersonal, but He is person.

He is person. We have so many examples in our experience that a person, by his

energy, he can play wonders, by his energy. But still, the person remains as

person. Because he is expanding energy in various ways, he does not become

imperson. So if a ordinary man in this world, he can expand his energy in

various ways and at the same time, he can remain a person, why not the Supreme

Personality of Godhead? So that, that impersonal feature of the Lord is His

energy. But the Lord Himself is a person. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam.

Just, just like we are persons, so He is also person. But He is the Supreme

Person. We are all dependent person. That is the difference. He's the Supreme

Person.

 

The Lord says again that na ca mat-sthani, na ca mat-sthani bhutani pasya

me yogam aisvaram. Now, you can say, " Oh, Lord, He may be overburdened because

He is bearing so many... " Just like, with our material conception... Just we

see... We have seen the picture of Atlas: one stout man is bearing a big planet

on his head. So we may think, " Oh, Lord is bearing so many big, huge planets on

His shoulder. He must be troubled. " No. The Lord says, na ca mat-sthani bhutani

pasya me yogam aisvaram: " Although they are in My energy, still they are not in

Me. " Pasya me yogam aisvaram: " This is My mystic power. " Pasya me yogam

aisvaram. Bhuta-bhrn na ca bhuta-stho mamatma bhuta-bhavanah: " I am maintaining

all these living entities. " Bhuta-bhrt bhuta-sthah. " And My energy is

all-pervading. Still, I am not there. " Pasya me yogam aisvaram. This is His

mystic power. Nanu rati-gurum bharam vahaste(?) mahan kheda syad iti cety aha,

gatadau udaka aniva bhara-bhutani ca bhutani samsrsttani mayi na santi, tarhi

mat-sthani sarva-bhutanity ukte viruddhe iti ceti tatraha pasyateti.(?)

 

So this is the wonderful power, inconceivable power, that He is in

everywhere, but still, He is aloof, He's aloof from that place. We can feel His

energy, but we cannot see because in this material eye we cannot see. But when

we develop our spiritual quality -- we sanctify our senses -- then even within

His energy we can see Him. Take for example. Just like electric power is

transmitted everywhere. There is wiring. Now, if some electrician is there he

can take electric power from anywhere and utilize the electricity. Similarly,

His energy is spread all over the universe. When we are transcendentally

situated, just like when we become the electrician, then from anywhere we can

see God eye to eye. Premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena [bs. 5.38]. That

creation, spiritualization of the senses, is possible by devotional service and

love. Premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santah sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti

[bs. 5.38]. Therefore, as the Lord says, that maya tatam idam sarvam jagad

avyakta-murtina, the Lord is all-pervading all over the universe. Therefore He

is within the stone, He is within the earth, He is within the water, He is

within the air -- everywhere. Therefore, if we make an image of God from

anything, either of water, either of stone, either of anything, oh, that is not

doll. That is also God. If we have got sufficient devotion, that image also will

speak with me, because God is everywhere. Maya tatam idam sarvam: " I am spread

all over, impersonal. " But if we make His personal form from anything, either

from the stone or from earth or from wood or from anything, or if we create an

image of God within myself... There are eight kinds of images recommended in the

sastra, in the Vedic literatures. So any kind of images can be worshiped because

God is everywhere.

 

Now, you can say that why God should be worshiped in images, not in His

original form, spiritual form? Yes. That may be a question. But I cannot see

spiritual form. That is my difficulty. My senses are so imperfect that I cannot

see God immediately in His spiritual form. Therefore, out of His causeless

mercy, He appears before you as you can see you, Him. We cannot see just now

with our material eyes except stone, earth, wood, something tangible. Therefore

He becomes... These forms are called arcavatara, incarnation of arca,

conveniently presented by the Supreme Lord so that we can actually see. But the

result will be that in the image, if you concentrated your energy, and if you

love and offer your, I mean to say, devotion, this will be responded, even from

that image.

 

There are many instances, very many instances. I'll cite one story. It is

very interesting story. If you go to India, you'll find one nice temple in

Orissa. It is called the temple of " Witness-Gopala, " Saksi-Gopala,

Witness-Gopala. This Gopala was situated in a temple at Vrndavana. Now, two

brahmanas, one young and one old, they went to visit Vrndavana, the place of

pilgrimage, and the old man... Because at that time there was no railway, the

journey was very hardship. The old man felt very obliged, and he began to say to

the young man, " My dear boy, you have done so much nice service to me. I am

obliged to you. So I must return that service. I must give you some reward. " So

the young man said, " Oh, my dear sir, you are old man. You are just like my

father. So it is my duty to serve you, to give you all comforts. I don't require

any reward. " Formerly, the boys were so gentle. And still, there are many boys

like that. So the old man also thought that " No, I am obliged to you. I must

reward you. " So he promised that " I shall get you married with my youngest

daughter. " Now, the old man was very rich man, and the young man was not rich.

He was poor. Although he was brahmana, learned. So he said that " You are

promising. You don't promise this because your kinsmen, your family men will not

agree. I am poor man, and you are rich man. You are aristocratic. So it will be

not. This marriage will not take place. Don't promise in that way before the

Deity. It is not good because Deity is there. " But he was firm faith that " Krsna

is hearing, " because the talks were going on in the temple. " So it will not be

fulfilled. " " No. " The old man became still more persistent. " No, my daughter I

shall offer you. Who can forbid me? "

 

So in this way, when they came back, one day the old man proposed to his

eldest son that " Your youngest sister should be married with that boy. That I

have promised. " Oh, the eldest son of that old man become very angry: " Oh, how

you have selected that boy to be husband of my sister? He's unfit. He's poor

man. He's not so educated. Oh, this cannot take place. " He did not agree. Then

the mother of the girl, he(she) came to the old man: " Oh, if you get my daughter

married with that boy, then I shall commit suicide. " Now the old man is

perplexed. Then, one day, the boy was anxious that " The old man promised before

the Deity. Now he is not coming. " So he... One day he came to his house: " Well,

my dear sir, you promised before the Lord, Krsna, and you are not fulfilling

your promise? How is that? " The old man was silent because he was praying to

Krsna that " I am now perplexed. If I persist in offering this daughter to this

boy, now there will be great trouble in my family. " So he was silent. So, in the

meantime, the eldest son came out and he began to quarrel with: " Oh, you, you

plundered my father in the place of pilgrimage. You gave him some LSD or

something, (laughter) intoxication. You took all the money from my father. Now

you say that he has promised to offer you my youngest sister. You fool! " He

began to say like that.

 

Then all the neighboring gentlemen, they: " Oh, what is the trouble? Here

there is so much howling. " " This is the... Do you think, sir, that this boy is

fit for my sister? We are aristocratic family and this and that..., " so on. So

the young man said... Young man could understand the old man is still agreeable,

but these, his sons and family members, as he suggested, they are not agreeable.

So he explained the whole thing before all the gentlemen who came, that " This is

the fact. Now, he promised. Now, for the sake of his son and wife, he cannot

fulfill his promise. This was a promise before the Lord. " In the meantime, the

old man's eldest son... He was atheist. He voluntarily says, " Well, if your God

comes and gives witness, then I shall offer my sister to you. " But he was

confident that God will come. He said, " Yes. I shall ask God. I shall ask Krsna

to come and give witness. " So... Now, before all gentlemen this was done. Then

the young man said, " All right, let us now come to agreement that I shall call

Krsna from Vrndavana to give witness in this matter, and when He comes, you'll

have to. " All the other gentlemen, they also persisted. So there was some

agreement. So this boy went again to Vrndavana to his Gopala, and he prayed that

" Sir, You have to go with me. " He was so staunch devotee, just like talking with

friend. He did not think that He's a statue; it is image. He knew God. That was

his conviction. So God said, " How do you think that a statue can go with you? I

am a statue. I cannot go. " Then this boy replied, " Well, if a statue can speak,

He can go also. " (laughter) Then Krsna said, " All right, I shall go with you. "

Then there was some arrangement that " You will not see Me, but I will go with

you. I'll go with you, and you hear, you'll hear the sound of My nupura. " A

nupura is an instrument which is fixed up in the leg of Krsna. It sounds like

" Ching, ching, ching, ching, " just like that. So He was going with him, and

daily he was offering some foodstuff, taking alms from the village. In this way

he was coming, but when he came in the precincts of the village, of his own

village, he could not hear the sound of the nupura. So he saw back: " Oh, where

is Krsna? " He saw that statue there, the statue standing.

 

So he informed all the villagers that Lord has come to be witness, and...

It is about some thousands yards before this thing happened. People were

convincing: " Yes. There was no... Such a big statue, this boy could not bring. "

So they believed, and there was a temple constructed by the king of that

country. And still that temple is there, and it is named, the Lord is named, as

Saksi-Gopala. Saksi-Gopala. Gopala means... Gopala is the name of Krsna's

boyhood. So because He came to give witness in that controversy, so that temple

is still there. So the whole idea is the statue, statue... Because God is

everywhere. So He's also in statue. God is everywhere. How can you say that He's

not in statue? He's also in statue. So it is my devotion, it is my

qualification, that I can induce that statue to speak with me. Just like the

same way -- if I am electrician, then I can fit any electrical instrument or

machine or light from the electric energy which is all over -- similarly, God's

energy, He is present everywhere...

 

When we are advanced in spiritual consciousness, then we can see God

everywhere. Maya tatam idam sarvam jagad avyakta-murtina. So He is everywhere,

and He is not everywhere also. Just like you have got this post box. The post

box means the Post Office. You put your letter. It will go to the destination

because it is authorized. Similarly, the authorized Deity, established in a

temple, that is worshiped by thousands and thousands of men in India still.

There was an occasion to worship the temple of Jagannatha at Puri. In one day

about 600,000 people assembled there, in one day. So still, India, they have got

this faith, and they worship the Deity in the temple. There are thousands and

thousands of temples. And they receive the result. They are happy. So if we are

prepared to accept these things and do according to the devotional rules and

regulation, then it will be possible for us to see God anywhere and everywhere.

It requires our own qualification.

 

But at the same time,

 

na ca mat-sthani bhutani

pasya me yogam aisvaram

bhuta-bhrn na ca bhuta-stho

mamatma bhuta-bhavanah

 

So His energy is spread all over the universe, all over the world, and by

His energy He can present anywhere and everywhere, but at the same time, He is

not in everywhere and anywhere. The conclusion is: when His devotee is there, He

can manifest Himself in everywhere and anywhere, but when there is no devotee,

He is not there, although His energy is there. There are many instances.

Prahlada Maharaja, he saw Krsna from the pillar. There was... That is a long

story. I shall recite some other day. So God can manifest Himself from anywhere

and everywhere because He is present everywhere. But it requires my

qualification to see Him. It requires my qualification. If I am qualified

enough... Premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena [bs. 5.38]. If I have developed

such consciousness, such love, transcendental love for God, then I can see Him

everywhere and anywhere, any place -- from picture, from statue... [break]

....statue, without picture, within myself, in air, in water -- everywhere I can

see. That is the process.

 

He is giving a nice example here.

 

yathakasa-sthito nityam

vayuh sarvatra-go mahan

tatha sarvani bhutani

mat-sthanity upadharaya

 

He says, yatha akasa-sthitah nityam vayuh. The air is situated in the sky.

Everyone knows it, that air is passing or blowing within the sky. And nityam

vayuh, sarvatra-go mahan. And it is blowing everywhere. You cannot find out any

place where there is no air. If you want to drive out air, then you have to make

by machine, by vacuum, airtight. Otherwise, air is everywhere. Yathakasa-sthito

nityam vayuh sarvatra-go mahan. " As the air is spread all over, anywhere,

similarly, " tatha sarvani bhutani mat-sthanity upadharaya, " similarly,

everything that is there that is existing, it is within Me. It is within Me. "

Sarva-bhutani kaunteya prakrtim yanti mamikam. And when this manifestation,

material manifestation, is dissolved, then where does it take place? Where does

it go? He says, sarva-bhutani kaunteya prakrtim yanti mamikam: " My prakrti, My

nature, My nature, is manifested and when the time is finished, that nature is

wound up. " And kalpa-ksaye punas tani kalpa, kalpadau visrjamy aham: " In this

way, at a certain interval, this material manifestation is exhibited, and again

it is wound up. "

 

This material manifestation is... Sometimes it is created, and sometimes

it goes into the nature of the Lord. But spiritual creation is not like that.

Spiritual creation is permanent. In the material creation everything is

temporary, nonpermanent. Just like this body. This body is created. And take for

example. In our personal self, we are spiritual spark, fragmental. We have

several times discussed this point, that we are all spiritual spark, fragmental

part of the Supreme Lord. As we are creating our body and it is finishing, and

again I am creating my body and again finishing... That is a fact. I have

created this body; you have created your body. You are a small particle, atomic

spiritual portion. And when you are put into the womb of your mother you get

your body and develop, develops. Everything is developing like that. Similarly,

as we are developing our own body, unless that spiritual spark is there within

the body, the body will not develop. This example we have given several times. A

child comes out. If the child is dead, no, it will not develop. But if he has

got life, if the spiritual spark is there, the child grows to a man. Similarly,

the whole universe, the whole material manifestation, they are going on the

presentation, on the, I mean, the presence of the Supreme Lord.

 

As we have got our spiritual presence within this body, similarly, this

universe is also containing the God's representative as Paramatma, Ksirodakasayi

Visnu. That information we get. Due to His presence, the material existence is

there. Just due to my presence, the body is existing, and as soon as I am out of

this body, the body will go to hell, similarly, this material manifestation is

due to the presence of God. Otherwise there is no such existence. So sometimes

He manifests, and sometimes He does not. This is going on. Sarva-bhutani

kaunteya prakrtim yanti mamikam: " Similarly, I wound up. It goes to Me again. "

Kalpa-ksaye punas tani kalpadau visrjamy aham. Then, after certain intervals,

when there is again kalpa... Each creation is called a kalpa.

Kalpanta-sthayinah-gunah.(?) Each creation is called a kalpa. So there are many

kalpas. We can, cannot calculate what is the age of one kalpa. One hint is

there in the Bhagavad-gita that in each kalpa the one day of Brahma..., that

sahasra-yuga-paryantam ahar yad brahmano viduh... [bg. 8.17]. Four hundred

thousand, four hundred forty-three, forty-three hundred thousands of years into

one thousand, that makes one day of Brahma. Similarly, he lives for hundred

years and, after each hundred years, the kalpa is finished and again another

kalpa begins. That is the calculation from Vedic literature. (incomplete) (end)

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