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There is a saying, " a woman is either pregnant or not but there is no such

thing as partial pregnancy " . Similarly either one is enlightened or not,

there is no such thing as partial enlightenment. There may be various shades

of ignorance. In fact out of the 8.4 million species of life form on earth,

0.4M i.e. 4,00,000 are attributed to humans, which means that the human

being ranges from animal man to God man and the whole range in between. I am

not sure if you can class an enlightened person as one of the 8.4M because

after the drop of the body nothing is going to be left behind (no subtle

body, no causal body, no Karmas - Prarabdha, Sanchit or Agami).

Enlightenment is instantaneous and not gradual.

 

After Enlightenment whatever one goes through is his Prarabdha. Prarabdha is

like an arrow leaving the bow, once it is released from the bow it must hit

the target, it cannot be retracted half way. It has nothing to do with Karma

or Karmic reactions.

 

radhakutir

OM

 

 

 

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" beirut_ka_baba " <no_reply >

 

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 8:25 PM

Re: Is Enlightenment possible without clearing Karmic

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, radhakutir <radhaktr wrote:

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> Here we are talking of two different planes of existence, physical

 

Thanks Swamiji,

 

So you are taking Enlightenment as Moksha... perhaps this is

due to the jumbling of words.

 

So what do we call a person who has not yet attained the Moksha,

but have had glimpses of truth and is highly progressed on the path

of sadhna....Like some saints who have glimpsed the truth, but still

away from Moksha...what word should be used for them ( I use

enlightenment for them)

 

The question arose, when a friend asked as how some enlightened

souls (Like guru Nanak, Kabir, Lahiri Mahasya etc)...got married

while they were enlightened.

 

The question that they got married, implies they did it to clear

the karmic debts.... which implies that though they were enlightened

and had seen the Truth, yet they were not out of certain Karmic

debts, which results in the statement that they were enlightened,

but had not yet attained Moksha !

 

Please help me solve this riddle

 

with my respect and love

 

 

 

 

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Babaji you are so right, they are all not the same. It depends upon your

desire. If you wish to go and live in Goloka, you get that through a Sadhana

conducive for that purpose. In certain cases one may go and live in

Brahmaloka where Brahmaji gives further instructions and the final

emancipation is attained along with Brahmaji upon the completion of his 100

years' tenure. But for a Jnani there is no coming and going, he has no

desire of enjoying this Loka or that Loka. Once enlightenment dawns, it is

irreversible. The system is so perfect that it does not allow the ignorance

to return. There are Pucca safeguards for that.

 

Hari Om

radhakutir

 

 

 

 

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" beirut_ka_baba " <no_reply >

 

Monday, April 16, 2007 10:31 PM

Re: Is Enlightenment possible without clearing Karmic

Debts?

 

 

, " Senthil " <senthil_sym wrote:

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> Om namah Shivaya.

>

 

Thanks senthil for thought provoking reply. As shanracer indicated

in his wonderful post, Mukti from birth and death is not real Mukti.

 

Vaishanavites talk of Salokya mukti, sayujya mukti etc....which is

as good as Moksha. Vaishvanites, believe that they retain subtle ego

even after mukti and remain in the loka of Vishnu, as separate identity

 

Of course, it is true as per our scriptures. As swamiji wrote...

Moksha is Moksha, can we say safely that all types of Muktis are

same???...just difference of words. If we look at different types of

Muktis, they are not same

 

Sayujya Mukti - Where we live in God... no ego

Salokya mukti - where we live with God - subtle ego remains

Nirvana (buddhist)- we merge into a void... no ego, no god, no

bliss

Prakriti-laya - those who become one with Nature - no ego

Videha-Mukti - Those who see the truth while in Body

Kaivalya Mukti - Where one's consciousness merges into God while

being in body

 

So can we say all these are same ? I dont think so !!!

 

So a Mukta is not really Mukta in real sense, if there are different

version, states of mind.... Which one of the above is True MOKSHA ??

 

with love

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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