Guest guest Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Senthilji you are right. Guru is God (guru saakshaat parabrahma..) but every guru is not God. We have to identify Satguru who is only Lord. In the word Satguru, the prefix ‘Sat’ means truth. A Satguru always preaches the truth. Truth is always harsh and is not liked by several people. Therefore a Satguru will have only very few disciples. A Satguru says that the path with thorns will lead to the Lord. People will not like this. He also says that the path with flowers leads to hell. People will not be happy with this preaching. A Guru preaches which several people like. The Guru says that the nature of the goal will be the nature of the path. Since the Lord is full of bliss the path also must be with flowers giving happiness. Since the hell is giving you lot of pain the path with thorns which also gives lot of pain must lead to the hell. This argument is very attractive. Several people will like this and will become the followers of Guru. Several people will praise him and give lot of Guru Dakshina because his argument is pleasant. But a Satguru says that the path with thorns alone will lead to the Lord because in this path you have to cut the bonds with your family and with your hard-earned money. Sacrifice gives lot of pain and sacrifice alone will lead to the Lord. The path with flowers strengthens your bonds with your family and money which gives you lot of happiness. Such path leads to the hell. Several people do not like such argument and so only one or two persons who can realize the truth will become His disciples. A Satguru will never worry about the number of the disciples and about the quantity of Guru Dakshina. Even if a single disciple is available He is happy. Majority always goes to hell. Only one in millions like Sankara, Vivekananda, Meera can reach the Lord. Diamonds are always in minority. Gravel stones are in majority. Therefore a Satguru will be only one in thousands of Gurus and a true disciple will be only one in millions of disciples. When you are doing prayers you are praising the Lord as a poet praises a king. The foolish king may give some gift to the poet. But the omniscient Lord can never be fooled by such praise. When you sing songs are chant the name of the Lord or express the feelings of devotion by shedding tears or by meditation you are getting the happiness and peace immediately. You have achieved the fruit. The Lord will not give another fruit for these things. When you are pained and loose peace by cutting the family bonds and by sacrificing your work and wealth to the Lord, then only the Lord will give the real gift to you. When you are working in the field for the owner, doing the work pains you. The owner will pay money for your work. Without doing the work, if you are simply chanting the name of the owner or sing songs on the owner, a wise owner will never give any gift. You have already derived the bliss and peace by eating the sweet in your hand. Why should I pay you when you are eating the sweet? When you sacrifice the sweet to Me I shall pay you. A Satguru teaches only the sacrifice which is the path with thorns leading to the Lord. Veda says that sacrifice alone can bring the grace of the Lord (Dhanene Tyagenaike). If you ask the payment by prayers and devotion, the Lord will pay you from your pocket only. He will bring the results of good deeds from your future life cycles and present them to you. But when you are sacrificing the sweet to the Lord in spite of your hunger and your heart pain, the Lord rewards you from His pocket. Therefore the true path leading to the Lord can be identified by loss of peace, mental worry, pain etc., The path to the hell is identified by peace, happiness, benefit etc., Satguru leads you to the Lord and Guru leads you to the hell. at lotus feet of swami surya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 " Guru is God (guru saakshaat parabrahma..) but every guru is not God. We have to identify Satguru who is only Lord. " Everything and everyone is God, but God has decieved himself so well that certain parts of him have forgotten the truth. To say one thing, creature, thought, or space is not God, is false. Sri Satguru is the highest teacher and is planted within the seed of the heart from whence all originate. Sometimes sri Satguru manifests a physical form so that we may learn that he truly lives inside us. Satguru must be experienced, and not just be someone who says: " Hey, I am your satguru; worship me! " Sri Satguru will not tell you to deny every physical thing that you have and to give up your families and friends. What sri Satguru will do is guide you to a higher understanding and help you out grow that which slows your progress in sadhna. Sri Swami Muktananda: " What kind of renunciation is it to renounce the body, through which we experience the fruits of good and bad karma, to despise it and ruin its health through living in the wrong way? What kind of renunciation is it to debilitate the body in which you have to live for a long time, through lack of discipline and self-control? You have to use your brains when it comes to renunciation. What you have to renounce is the root of all suffering, that highly dangerous thing called abhiniveshas. This is defined in the scriptures: To regard something as ours that does not belong to us, or to identify ourselves with that which is not the Self. This ego is the cause of all our afflictions. It has reduced God to a limited, individual soul, turned happiness into sorrow, and transformed the One into the many. If aham, the individual ego, is destroyed and replaced by So'ham, " I am He, " what is left to renounce? The whole world is filled with Chiti. If your renunciation is purposeless or goes against the scriptues, you will get confusion instead of peace. The poet-saint Banarasi has written on this theme: 'Ram is not attained by renouncing wealth or life; Only he attains Narayana who renounces the pride of his body. God can never be attained by renouncing all worldly affairs, By renouncing wife, children, family, or household matters, By eating only roots, tubers, and fruit, and renouncing other foods, By renouncing clothes and going about naked, by giving up women, Even by renouncing one's own life-force, Hari is not attained. Ram is not attained by renouncing wealth or life; Only he attains Narayana who renounces the pride of his body. By renouncing beds of flowers, diamonds, and pearls, By renouncing one's own caste and family traditions, By renouncing the entanglements of this world and roaming through the forest day and night, By renouncing remembrance of the body and burning it to ashes, By renouncing one's own life, without any knowledge of Brahman; Ram is not attained by renouncing wealth or life; Only he attains Narayana who renounces the pride of his body. By renouncing all speech, by observing silence and saying nothing, By renouncing father and grandfather and by practicing yoga from childhood, By renouncing one's own good mother, one's tuft of hair and sacred thread, By renouncing killing and violence and by never harming any living creature; If the pride of the body is not abandoned, what can be attained by renouncing all these things? Ram is not attained by renouncing wealth or life; Only he attains Narayana who renounces the pride of his body. By renouncing the bed of earth, by not sleeping but standing day and night, By renouncing all ease, doing without comforts and undergoing hardship, By renouncing bitter words and speaking sweetly to all, By renouncing all these things but not abandoning the constant pride of the body; Banarasi says, even after renouncing all life, still He is not attained. Ram is not attained by renouncing wealth or life; Only he attains Narayana who renounces the pride of his body.' Undiscriminating renunciation is the most binding enjoyment, whereas discriminating enjoyment is the highest renunciation. There are many people who tell each other, " I had such a wonderful meditation. I had such wonderful feelings. It was so marvelous. " They say this simply because they want praise. Their meditation is for applause and is not the meditation of the Self. The poets call this meditation " heron meditation. " The heron shuts his eyes and stands in a lake, pond, or running stream, meditating for hours on end. He spends his whole life like this, standing in meditation for long periods every day. Yet he has not received shaktipat or seen the inner lights or realized God. This is because he does not meditate on God but on fish. He does not meditate for the peace of the Self but in order to kill fish to fill his stomach. He practices the meditation of nourishing the body by eating good fish. It is a meditation of enjoyment and pleasure. If someone said to me, " Babaji, there are lots of herons meditating in the river over there, and they never leave the place, so why don't they get the rewards of meditation, namely, bliss, the vision of lights, and samadhi? " I would say to them, " What a good question you have asked. How clever you are, how wise, how perceptive. Who knows what a high state you have reached! However, you are talking like a blind man and a fool. Look, brother, the heron meditates to catch fish, to eat and enjoy them, and to make himself strong. " There are yogis just like the heron; they do not meditate on Sadguru Nityananda or the divine Shakti. These heron students do not meditate on the nature of their own Self but on fish, and that's what they get. One who meditates on fish will always catch fish and eat fish and be peaceful and contented. Tell me, can you find God if you meditate on fish? Can you see the inner lights if you meditate on fish? You meditate on snack bars and films, and yet you want samadhi! Meditating yogis, you won't find paradise through heron meditation, because you find whatever you meditate on. If sadhakas were to understand the Guru's Shakti, they would be saved from this artificial heron meditation. The Shakti that brings them meditation works in them in five forms, which are described in the Tantrasara as follows: 'prakasharupata chitshaktih swatantryam anandashaktih tatchamatkara icchashaktih amarshatmakata jnanashaktih awvakarayogitvam kriyashaktih The power of intelligence, or pure light of intelligence, is chitshakti; the power of will is icchashakti; the power of realizing absolute bliss is anandashakti; the power of knowledge is jnanashakti; the power of creating is kriyashakti.' This means that Chiti Shakti enters you from Shri Gurudev with Her supreme radiance and Her independent joy; She performs countless miracles out of Her own free will; She knows everything in your heart, great and small; She knows which yogic kriyas are necessary and should occur in your particular case; and She causes these kriyas to happen. In other words, the supreme Shakti of the one Parashiva, whom we call Chiti Shakti Kundalini, the Shakti of the Guru's grace, or the Guru's own spiritual power, lives within you in Her five aspects: consciousness, bliss, volition, knowledge, and action. Chiti Shakti lives in the same form in the immanent Shiva and in the transcendent supreme Shiva, and She lives in the same measure within your Guru. Furthermore, that which is in your Guru is naturally in you. So if you belong to the Guru and stay his, Shakti will be in you to the same degree. This Shakti is not present in heron meditation. " Hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 The scriptures say that your sacrifice of money is highest. 1) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya), Gita says that the fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work on the top most level. Gita says ‘Jnanat dhyanam visishyate, Dhyanat Karma Phala Tyagah’i.e., Bhakti (devotion) is better than Jnana (knowledge) and sacrificing the fruit of your work (money) is better than Bakthi. 2) Gita says ‘Sarva karma Phala tyagam prahus tyagam vichakshanah’ i.e., if you can give the fruit of the entire work to the Lord, then that is real sacrifice. 3) ‘Na karmana, Na prajaya, Dhanena tyagenaike Amritatvamaanasuh’ i.e., you cannot attain God by selfish work or the children. You can attain God only by sacrificing your money for God’s work. – The Veda 4) The first words of the first Upanishath (Easavaasyam) says, ‘Tena tyaktena Bhunjeedah’ ‘Ma gradha ha kasyasvit Dhanam’ i.e., this entire world is the money of the Lord. Take whatever you require from His wealth; don’t take extra which is not permitted by the God. If you have taken, you are a thief. Return it back to the Lord. 5) Veda says ‘Samvidha’ ‘Shraddhayaa’ ‘Hriya’ ‘Bhiya dheyam’, i.e., return the extra to the Lord in human form after recognizing Him through His Jnana. Wait patiently till you recognize the Lord in human form. When you are donating your money to Him (actually you are giving Him His own money) you should give it with fear and feel shy. 6) In Yoga Vasistha the Guru Vasista says to Rama (Dhanamarjaya) i.e., bring money and offer it to me as Guru Dakshina before I can teach you the Jnana. Shirdi Sai used to ask Guru Dakshina from everybody to teach this important sacrifice. He criticized a merchant who came for Brahma Jnana but was not giving even Rs.5/- from his pocket. Mr. Patil, a farmer used to donate the entire yearly crop to Baba and took back whatever Baba gave back to him. Matthew–6 : 19 to 22 ‘Do not Lay up for yourselves, treasures on earth. But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven. For where your treasure is there your heart will be also’. Matthew -7: 21 ‘Not everyone who say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but He who does the will of My Father in Heaven’. Holy Islam speaks about the sacrifice of fruit of work (money) through the word ‘Jakaat’. This word says that every rich man is expected to practice the sacrifice within the limit of his wealth. Islam says that people are loving too much the money (Q’ran: AalFajr – 20). Islam says that by sacrifice of money your wealth will not decrease and in fact your wealth increases by sacrifice. Islam also mentions that by sacrifice of money your wealth becomes most pure. at lotus feet of swami surya caisuir <no_reply > wrote: " Guru is God (guru saakshaat parabrahma..) but every guru is not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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