Guest guest Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 In my POV, there is no difference in the ESSENCE of teachings of all genuine teachers( some of which I list below ) : Rama, Krishna, Mahavir, Buddha, Jesus Christ, Lao Tzu, Shankar, Ramakrishna, Yogananda and his Lineage which includes Babaji, Yukteswar says in " The Holy Science " that in his POV, the essential teachings of Krishna and Christ is the same Dada Bhagawan, Pujya Deepakbhai, Pujya Dr Niruma, Ramana Maharshi, Nisargadatta, Robert Adams, and many other current advaita teachers, Mystic Sufis like Irina Tweedie and her disciple Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee Mata Amritanandamayi, Karunamayi, Shree Maa, and may other beautiful spiritual teachers. About 40 years ago, I gave up on all religions and their representations of God,mainly because: first, I did not really have a wide enough understanding of religion and none of spirituality, and secondly, it seemed, to my POV at that time, that each religion was saying they are right and everyone else is wrong. So, due to my limited knowledge I concluded that all religions were false. I could never accept that one religion is true and all others false. This just did not sit well with my UNIVERSAL SCIENTIFIC WAY of looking at things. Then in 1971, I started meditating and experiencing stillness, peace, inner silence which helped me considerably to stay calm and peaceful in daily activity even in adverse situations. Then I experienced my heart open to the vastness of something that I had to call God's Love which seemed to be permeating all space. Later were some experiences of what the Vedas call Bliss( Ananda ) and LIGHT, which also like Love seems to permeate all space. Perhaps, that's where the expression Love and Light comes from. I also started reading spiritual books, by now maybe hundreds. There were many times during the last 39 years of my spiritual quest, that I thought I didn't need to read any more books, but the right books did show up at the right time. And just a few years I recall a story of Amma telling a devotee, a spiritual seeker with lots of years of experience, that he needs to read more spiritual books. Warning! This is not a prescription for everyone. In the case of one of Amma's brahmacharis who started a serious study of Vedic Scriptures, Amma came and took all his books away. Now he is a swami. So, my POV obviously changed, because now I can say I have experienced( to whatever degree, there is always more in the infinity of God ) God's Essence as PEACE that passeth all understanding( silence, stillness of mind and emotions ), LOVE and COMPASSION, BLISSFULL ENERGY, and LIGHT. All of which are available in Amma's Presence as the Sun when the dark clouds of the mind subside. So, now this is my POV: The ESSENCE of all genuine religions is one and the same but it has to be experienced. Experience helps appropriate understanding/interpretation of scripture. Your true nature is LOVE, which however, may be hidden by the dark clouds of your own mind. Only the clouds, which include all dogmas, have to be removed. Understanding that each of us does have a different POV, I don't mind sharing my POV, But, I have no interest in arguing with your POV. And I wish you luck with your POV. And remember all POVs are for changing for the better. Less fear and darkness, and more and more LOVE and LIGHT is the way to go. Amma Bless everyone with experiences of Love and Light, amarnath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Namah Shivaya, We are not in any disagreement at all. This is exactly right on. I don't think there is any one religion that is better than any others. And to know God we have to experience God. That is where Amma has even said just a glance from a Mahatma is worth 10 yrs of meditation. (In the book Torrential Love) I teach IAM and it's been a great gift from Amma though there are many forms of meditation as well. adriane Ammachi , " anatol_zinc " <anatol_zinc wrote: > > > In my POV, there is no difference in the ESSENCE of teachings of all genuine teachers( some of which I list below ) : > > Rama, Krishna, Mahavir, Buddha, Jesus Christ, Lao Tzu, Shankar, > Ramakrishna, Yogananda and his Lineage which includes Babaji, > Yukteswar says in " The Holy Science " that in his POV, the essential teachings of Krishna and Christ is the same > Dada Bhagawan, Pujya Deepakbhai, Pujya Dr Niruma, > Ramana Maharshi, Nisargadatta, Robert Adams, and many other current advaita teachers, > Mystic Sufis like Irina Tweedie and her disciple Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee > > Mata Amritanandamayi, Karunamayi, Shree Maa, > > and may other beautiful spiritual teachers. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Ammachi , " anatol_zinc " <anatol_zinc wrote: > > > In my POV, there is no difference in the ESSENCE of teachings of all genuine teachers( some of which I list below ) : > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Namaskarams! Beautiful posting dear brother Amarnath!! your take on POV is right on (imo)...everyone has their own version...and there is no point in arguing about it...ok to share one's POV, and listen to others...but no point in arguing about it....which unfortunately seems to be what the major religions tend to do with each other... for me, Bhagavan Sri Ramakrsna was the best advocate of what you have said in that posting above... He used to say " Truth is One, Paths to truth are many " .... He didn't say this out of ego, or out of speculation...he said it from his own personal experience of doing the sadhanas for all the major religions, including a few different sadhanas for various aspects of Hinduism, eg...Vaishnavism, as well as Saktaism (earlier in his career while calling upon his beloved Divine Mother Kali...and then for a time, with the help of the Bhairavi (i think...she was a renunciate Tantrika yogini dressed in Ochre) he practised the Tantras, all of them (in the Sakta tradition).... after that, with the help of another teacher, of Jnana this time, Tota Puri, he explored the world of Jnana...in three days accomplishing Nirvikalpa Samadhi through the Jnani practises of " neti, neti " ( " not this not this " ). Sri Ramakrsna had the most trouble with his Jnana practise, because he was naturally a Bhakta, and whenever he would go into meditation, at a certain point, the intoxicatingly beautiful form of his Beloved Divine Mother would appear before him, and he couldn't go any further into the Jnana meditative state...finally, after expressing his frustration to Tota Puri, his " teacher " told him to go into that state and when he would see the form of his Beloved Mother, he should imagine slashing her in two with a sword...then finally Tota Puri had to poke a shard of glass (very sharp) into his forehead at the third eye, telling him to concentrate there....and Sri Ramakrsna disappeared into nirvikalpa samadhi for days on end.... Tota Puri was totally taken aback by this...and kept inspecting him, to see if it was real....and then finally having to admit that indeed the student was much greater than the teacher, as what had taken Tota Puri 40 years to attain, Sri Ramakrsna attained in three days! Also, he undertook sadhana as a Gopi for Krsna, dressing himself as a woman, and taking on all the feminine characteristics, such that he was able to live for a while in the women's apartments, unnoticed by anyone...they all thought he was a woman...because he behaved just like one... (probly cut off his beard, if he had one at that time). after a few days of this, he attained Krsna consciousness, then saw Sri Krsna merging into Brahman...later He told his intimate circle that he was still unsatisfied with that sadhana, and promised that the next time he took a birth, it would be as a woman, so that he could REALLY love Sri Krsna.... Upon seeing a lovely picture of Mother Mary and the infant Jesus, in the home of one of his patron/friends, he was moved to immediately undertake the Christian sadhana....transformed himself entirely into a Christian aspirant, and in short order had darshan of Christ, after which he saw Christ merging into Brahman, the Light. then there was the Muslim sadhana...for a while Sri Ramakrsna WAS a Muslim devotee of Allah...and after some little time, attained to darshan of the Prophet Mohammed, and then saw the Prophet too, merging into the Light of Brahman... because of his own experiences, Bhagavan Sri Ramakrsna was uniquely qualified to comment upon their essential unity. thus he stated unequivocally that all religions lead to the same basic result...oneness with the Divine.... with each religion or sect that he did sadhana of, he would utterly transform himself, from what one would normally see of him, into a completely perfect example of a devotee of whichever faith he was investigating....such that the ordinary devotees would be unable to tell that he was not really one of them (although i suppose in the short run, he really WAS one of them). thus with no hesitation at all, i will follow in his footsteps, and proclaim loudly to the world: " The Truth is One, Paths to it are many! " furthermore: " Once the great master attended a Bhagavata-saptaha (reciting of the Srimad Bhagavatam). During parayana (discourse) he completely surrendered to Lord Vishnu and fell into deep trance during which period, he observed bright rays of light emanating from the feet of Lord Vishnu, falling on the book Bhagavata and from Bhagavata reaching the heart of the master and again going back to the feet of the Lord, thus completing the circuit. " (from an article on the web about Him...http://living.oneindia.in/yoga-spirituality/ramakrishna-paramahamsa/2009/s\ piritual-truth-religious-unity-220609.html ) Seeing this link between them all, He came to the realisation that indeed, Bhakta, Bhagavat, and Bhagavan are all in essence ONE...and that only our ignorance prevents us from seeing this. Bhakta= Devotee Bhagavat= Holy Scriptures such as Srimad Bhagavatam Bhagavan= the Lord thus one can say with all truth, that the Devotee, the Scriptures and the Lord are really ONE in essence. Amma Herself at various times had hinted that indeed the Lord Jesus Christ was really an Avatar (incarnation) of the Divine Mother...and when pressed by one of Prasannan's girls, She admitted that Her soul and Jesus' soul were the same.... there may be some differences between Christ's teachings and Amma's in some details, but then we must remember that Jesus was preaching over 2000 years ago to a people who had the mindset of that period. Amma on the other hand is teaching us NOW, and adapts the details of the teachings to our current 21st century mindset. However, in my (somewhat limited) Bible reading experience, i have been unable to see any real differences between their teachings... as many Mahatmas say...if the Founders of the world religions got together, they would have a party, and agree on what is truth, whereas, the followers can see only differences and argue until this very day over the various differing details of their faiths, which " prove " their unique claim to fame over the " inferior " results attained by " other " religions...this is basically not religion, it is a power game of politics disguised as religion...for the personal gain of those promoting the " divide and conquer " agenda.... to quote the Beatles: " we're all One " , and " Love is all you need. " in the Divine Mother's Love, and in Her Service, as ever, your own Self, visvanathan Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Very wonderful. Amma states that all the deities reside within us which is why She can take on transforming into Krishna as She did when She was a teenager. She overheard someone chanting the Bhagavad Gita as she was walking through the village. She suddenly transformed into Krishna and turned blue in front of the villagers. She even posed as Krishna. Stupefied they began demanding She perform a miracle. She refused stating that they would continue to ask for miracles. Because they kept demanding, She finally relented and agreed to perform one. She told them to bring a pot of water. They brought it and she told the villagers to stir it with their fingers. They did and it turned to milk. Then She told them to stir again and it turned into prasadam pudding like Krishna ate with bananas. It was enough to feed the 200 people who were present and there was still some leftover. Everyone's hands smelled like the prasad for days. Amma can also become Kali, Christ Buddha or whoever She would choose. She IS a living Deity, Mahatma, Guru. Jai Amma!! Adriane Ammachi , " visvanathan s " <kasi_visvanath wrote: > > > > Ammachi , " anatol_zinc " <anatol_zinc@> wrote: > > > > > > In my POV, there is no difference in the ESSENCE of teachings of all genuine teachers( some of which I list below ) : > > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! > > Namaskarams! > > Beautiful posting dear brother Amarnath!! > > your take on POV is right on (imo)...everyone has their own version...and there is no point in arguing about it...ok to share one's POV, and listen to others...but no point in arguing about it....which unfortunately seems to be what the major religions tend to do with each other... > > for me, Bhagavan Sri Ramakrsna was the best advocate of what you have said in that posting above... > > He used to say " Truth is One, Paths to truth are many " .... > > He didn't say this out of ego, or out of speculation...he said it from his own personal experience of doing the sadhanas for all the major religions, including a few different sadhanas for various aspects of Hinduism, eg...Vaishnavism, as well as Saktaism (earlier in his career while calling upon his beloved Divine Mother Kali...and then for a time, with the help of the Bhairavi (i think...she was a renunciate Tantrika yogini dressed in Ochre) he practised the Tantras, all of them (in the Sakta tradition).... > > after that, with the help of another teacher, of Jnana this time, Tota Puri, he explored the world of Jnana...in three days accomplishing Nirvikalpa Samadhi through the Jnani practises of " neti, neti " ( " not this not this " ). > > Sri Ramakrsna had the most trouble with his Jnana practise, because he was naturally a Bhakta, and whenever he would go into meditation, at a certain point, the intoxicatingly beautiful form of his Beloved Divine Mother would appear before him, and he couldn't go any further into the Jnana meditative state...finally, after expressing his frustration to Tota Puri, his " teacher " told him to go into that state and when he would see the form of his Beloved Mother, he should imagine slashing her in two with a sword...then finally Tota Puri had to poke a shard of glass (very sharp) into his forehead at the third eye, telling him to concentrate there....and Sri Ramakrsna disappeared into nirvikalpa samadhi for days on end.... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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