To Stacy, sharing truth to support others- Kamal et al

[Guest guest]

Dear Stacy,

 

Please read what Tom and Anatol speak of below again. We need open discussion

about these things and if we are lucky there may be someone from the Ashram who

would be willing to speak to all those involved with my situation, as no formal

apology was ever offered. This is a serious situation that could have been

avoided if Ammachi, her Bramachari's and Swami's were taught respect to others. 

This is a personal relationship that has had grave consequences to myself and my

family much more so then I am sharing here. The people that serve Ammachi should

truly want to serve humanity at all times, but the truth is although they wear

robes and uniforms, they are as fallible and human as you and I.

 

I did not understand this at the time and kept quiet about the whole thing

having faith in both Kamal, Ammachi and whoever else knew about this early on.

The fact that it was kept so secreted and coveted allowed things to go extremely

out of hand and harm others. This will happen again if we are not open to

discussing these things clearly rather then just assuming that it will work out

for all involved in the most respectful and safe manner. I say Kamal's name out

loud finally as I know this information will get to him and the appropriate

authorities and I use my life as an example so others are not overlooked or

mistreated. There is no blame on Dayamrita, as he did not know about this until

the relationship was over. I have written to Kamal. Swami Ramakrishna, Bhavani

and Ammachi about this and how much harm has come of these mistakes. May they

never happen again, I do not feel Ammachi's Darshan or touring is worth even one

person being mistreated or

hurt, but I know many are hurt each year during her tours. There is no room for

a Spiritual Teacher and her servants to make mistakes that will harm peoples

lives forever. I have just read of a fourth occasion where Ammachi has asked a

person to divorce a spouse who is not a devotee. Why is this happening? As I

know there are marriages where one spouse is not a devotee but they are strong

enough to work things out. I know other spiritual teachers would not advice this

way.

Stacee

 

 

 

 

Tom,

 

I agree it would have been wonderful if what you suggested below happened.

But it didn't because of _____ ?

Now, what ???

 

Amma Bless,

amarnath

 

Ammachi , " bluepearllight " <bluepearllight wrote:

 

Tom, I agree with all of my heart, let this never happen again to anyone. Stacee

>

> ... If I had been in Dayamrita's shoes, I would've acted a little more on your

behalf, telling a " brother " to get his sh** together.  I'm glad he tried to

help, but I wonder if he could've done more.    Anyone in robes that knew about

the situation should've told Amma about it, and talked to both of you about it

and the possible consequences.    

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

This is not the site to keep bashing AMMA. Please stop or leave the group!

 

Ammachi , Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer wrote:

>

> Dear Stacy,

>

> Please read what Tom and Anatol speak of below again. We need open discussion

about these things and if we are lucky there may be someone from the Ashram who

would be willing to speak to all those involved with my situation, as no formal

apology was ever offered. This is a serious situation that could have been

avoided if Ammachi, her Bramachari's and Swami's were taught respect to others. 

This is a personal relationship that has had grave consequences to myself and my

family much more so then I am sharing here. The people that serve Ammachi should

truly want to serve humanity at all times, but the truth is although they wear

robes and uniforms, they are as fallible and human as you and I.

>

> I did not understand this at the time and kept quiet about the whole thing

having faith in both Kamal, Ammachi and whoever else knew about this early on.

The fact that it was kept so secreted and coveted allowed things to go extremely

out of hand and harm others. This will happen again if we are not open to

discussing these things clearly rather then just assuming that it will work out

for all involved in the most respectful and safe manner. I say Kamal's name out

loud finally as I know this information will get to him and the appropriate

authorities and I use my life as an example so others are not overlooked or

mistreated. There is no blame on Dayamrita, as he did not know about this until

the relationship was over. I have written to Kamal. Swami Ramakrishna, Bhavani

and Ammachi about this and how much harm has come of these mistakes. May they

never happen again, I do not feel Ammachi's Darshan or touring is worth even one

person being mistreated or

> hurt, but I know many are hurt each year during her tours. There is no room

for a Spiritual Teacher and her servants to make mistakes that will harm peoples

lives forever. I have just read of a fourth occasion where Ammachi has asked a

person to divorce a spouse who is not a devotee. Why is this happening? As I

know there are marriages where one spouse is not a devotee but they are strong

enough to work things out. I know other spiritual teachers would not advice this

way.

> Stacee

>

>

>

>

> Tom,

>

> I agree it would have been wonderful if what you suggested below happened.

> But it didn't because of _____ ?

> Now, what ???

>

> Amma Bless,

> amarnath

>

> Ammachi , " bluepearllight " <bluepearllight@> wrote:

>

> Tom, I agree with all of my heart, let this never happen again to anyone.

Stacee

> >

> > ... If I had been in Dayamrita's shoes, I would've acted a little more on

your behalf, telling a " brother " to get his sh** together.  I'm glad he tried to

help, but I wonder if he could've done more.    Anyone in robes that knew about

the situation should've told Amma about it, and talked to both of you about it

and the possible consequences.    

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That term is not a mature approach to a dangerous situation that needs to be

addressed. It does not seem you are reading what has happened, but lumping

things all together and judging. I do not feel Amma herself would see it this

way nor any organization that holds monthly gatherings to make sure things are

running smoothly. If we did not discuss these problems and hazards they would be

left alone, only to be repeated, all businesses, organizations and institutions

are hopefully being run with each person's best interest in mind, and if not

then these matters need to be discussed openly. This is being done in an open

and loving manner, we are not threatening, or using force here only sharing

Adrian.

 

How would a hospital be run appropriately if certain things where to be assumed

and never addressed or discussed, that is why all corporations and organizations

that I am aware have weekly or monthly departmental meetings?

 

This should not be the exception.

 

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

n2amma <a1driane

Ammachi

Mon, January 4, 2010 7:04:13 PM

Re: To Stacy, sharing truth to support others- Kamal et al

 

This is not the site to keep bashing AMMA. Please stop or leave the group!

 

Ammachi , Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer wrote:

>

> Dear Stacy,

>

> Please read what Tom and Anatol speak of below again. We need open discussion

about these things and if we are lucky there may be someone from the Ashram who

would be willing to speak to all those involved with my situation, as no formal

apology was ever offered. This is a serious situation that could have been

avoided if Ammachi, her Bramachari's and Swami's were taught respect to others. 

This is a personal relationship that has had grave consequences to myself and my

family much more so then I am sharing here. The people that serve Ammachi should

truly want to serve humanity at all times, but the truth is although they wear

robes and uniforms, they are as fallible and human as you and I.

>

> I did not understand this at the time and kept quiet about the whole thing

having faith in both Kamal, Ammachi and whoever else knew about this early on.

The fact that it was kept so secreted and coveted allowed things to go extremely

out of hand and harm others. This will happen again if we are not open to

discussing these things clearly rather then just assuming that it will work out

for all involved in the most respectful and safe manner. I say Kamal's name out

loud finally as I know this information will get to him and the appropriate

authorities and I use my life as an example so others are not overlooked or

mistreated. There is no blame on Dayamrita, as he did not know about this until

the relationship was over. I have written to Kamal. Swami Ramakrishna, Bhavani

and Ammachi about this and how much harm has come of these mistakes. May they

never happen again, I do not feel Ammachi's Darshan or touring is worth even one

person being mistreated or

>  hurt, but I know many are hurt each year during her tours. There is no room

for a Spiritual Teacher and her servants to make mistakes that will harm peoples

lives forever. I have just read of a fourth occasion where Ammachi has asked a

person to divorce a spouse who is not a devotee. Why is this happening? As I

know there are marriages where one spouse is not a devotee but they are strong

enough to work things out. I know other spiritual teachers would not advice this

way.

> Stacee

>

>

>

>

> Tom,

>

> I agree it would have been wonderful if what you suggested below happened.

> But it didn't because of _____ ?

> Now, what ???

>

> Amma Bless,

> amarnath

>

> Ammachi , " bluepearllight " <bluepearllight@> wrote:

>

> Tom, I agree with all of my heart, let this never happen again to anyone.

Stacee

> >

> > ... If I had been in Dayamrita's shoes, I would've acted a little more on

your behalf, telling a " brother " to get his sh** together.  I'm glad he tried to

help, but I wonder if he could've done more.    Anyone in robes that knew about

the situation should've told Amma about it, and talked to both of you about it

and the possible consequences.    

>

>

>