A story with a deep prayer for peace and justice for all

December 31, 2009

Before I tell my story I ask for prayer and protection from Ammachi herself, and

her Organization, as well as Prayer and protection from Lord Babaji, Lord Jesus

Christ and Mother Mary. May we all come together in peace, each of us, no matter

where we are in this world. The following story is one where there was a

misunderstanding of peace and love, and God himself forgives us in every moment.

God himself loves each of us equally and could never chose one over another. If

this is happening at all in Amritapuri and in Ammachi's mission we humbly

request that it stop. We are all one. We are all just as precious, important and

lovely as all of our brothers and sisters on this Earth. My wish for this new

year is that we truly begin to see this in each moment in our lives not matter

what the situation, myself included.

Dear Stacy,

Thank you. I think I feel fear now and great shock and sadness myself. I will

tell my personal story. As there are others involved that work closely to

Ammachi. I will say that there is much that goes on around her during her visits

here and for the person that visits infrequently and stays within, there is

mostly joy and peace to be found. I had great peace, love and bliss in her

presence for several years.I met one of Ammachi's Bramachari's on tour. Ammachi

encouraged both of us for over a year to trust our feelings for one another and

come together. For myself, I thought this meant a marriage, as this is what he

asked of me. There were some mistakes that we both made during the second year

of our friendship. But Ammachi wrongly judged the situation and harmed my life

to the degree that I am not able to participate easily in life and feel my

peace, I have been so ill. It has been almost two years and has cost my parents

tens of thousands of dollars. I

lost a job that took me three years to find, and the relationship to both

Ammachi, who I had complete faith in and the man I was in love with. I trusted

both of them during that time with my life and did not protect myself by asking

Ammachi for help, as like you, she had always encouraged me to trust her and

remain close in a personal way. I did write to her about all of this recently

and I did approach her last fall with my father to explain to her that it was

her responsibility to speak to both the man and myself immediately after it was

clear that we had fallen in love. Ammachi could have been a true mother and

loving chaperon for both of us and taught us about the appropriate marriage and

friendship customs between a Western woman and an Indian man, this would have

eliminated any confusion between the two of us and any need for mistake. This

was what we both deeply needed as we tried to find a way to understand our

feelings for one another, the

distance between us, our cultural differences and the friend's long time vows

and life as a monk, who was trying to see if he was ready or comfortable living

in the world again. This apparently is not the first time this has happened on

some level in her organization with a swami or bramachari. The other time the

Western woman was thrown out of her Amritapuri ashram. Ammachi has power that is

dangerous as well and can harm people, she asks us all to have faith in her, I

had faith in her and the friend all along until Ammachi made a judgment and took

harm on my life, she came to me personally, so I know it was her. My teacher

though really, is Babaji who continues to sit with me through this along with

Lord Jesus Christ until the time that I am pain free.

As a member of this list and a strong support to Ammachi and her organization

for over 5 years, I only share my experience. It does not need to mean anything

to you. I still don't understand why she made the decision that she did, but I

will say that she does not love all people equally, when you spend more time

with her in India this is plainly seen. Others have gone through damaging

experiences here in the US and in India. One woman in the US lost her husband of

32 years, he is an I AM Meditation teacher, because Ammachi told her husband to

divorce her, and the woman her husband was encouraged to marry was also an

Ammachi devotee who was also asked to divorce her spouse. These are confusing

things. We should not be angry to hear these things have happened but question

them to see if they are true.We should only want each of our brothers and

sisters to remain safe in Ammachi's presence at all times. This is my prayer. As

many others have been

directly hurt by Ammachi and it will only continue. This shows more of a human

in white clothing than a God who loves all equally.

I ask all members on this list to pray for all of your brothers and sisters who

have been hurt in Ammachi's mission, and I ask that you pray directly to Ammachi

herself to please treat all with equality, love and care. I also pray to

Ammachi, that if you are not aware of the mistakes you are making then it is

time to take a personal retreat, and redirect your time and energies. I also

pray that Ammachi teaches her children in her ashrams that it does not matter

where we actually live, we are still in the world, and that one should not be

afraid to " go back to the world " . As that is where true service is needed. Lord

Jesus Christ teaches all to live lives of renunciation, while serving in the

world. Our minds and hearts should be given to God in each thing that we do. So

it does not matter where one lives as we are all truly one and we all serve our

one God on this tiny planet Earth.

I am sorry if I have upset you with these words.

S

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stacysgarage <stacysgarage

Ammachi

Thu, December 31, 2009 5:36:31 AM

Re: An Ear to the Ground

Stacee,

Your truth and experiences are not our own. You have a choice. We have our own

choices. So why do you feel the need to come here and try to make us change our

choices and see your own perceptions. That is not from a place of love. That is

from a place of fear. I have no fear at all on this path with Amma. My faith in

her is unshakeable. Your words mean nothing because they come from you, not from

my own nor from Amma, and nor from the Swami's.

This is a very personal relationship that exists WITHIN. It is beyond time,

distance and body. Amma has shown this to me, but then again that probably means

nothing to you because you have already decided to spend your time and energy to

talk about negative things about Amma. Please respect our love for Amma here and

either write your feelings in a personal journal for yourself or take it

elsewhere with others that want to spend energy on this draining topic. Rather

talk about loving and good things which are so much more beneficial and spread

great energy than the one you are projecting out here. It is a big drain. I'm

sure you're smart enough to understand what I mean. Who do you wan to be? Do you

want to be someone that spreads love or fear? It's that simple.

Jai Ma Ma Ma!

Stacy

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December 31, 2009

To Stacee (and trolls in general)..

OK, we get it. You've made your point. You used to like Amma and now you're

disillusioned with her and disgusted with the Amritapuri organization. Take

messages like this to the ex-Amma . We don't need to hear stories of

disgruntled ex-devotees with axes to grind whose only message seems to be " I

used to be an ardent devotee just like all of you Amma-holics, but now I've seen

the light...hallelujah! "

Also, this group is not a forum for Christian proselytizing.

Keval

January 1, 2010

if that is what is being done then this child agrees.people should be able to

CELEBRATE AMMA IN EVERY WAY ON THIS GROUP!

Lets all dance the dance of AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA...........

lets all sing the praise of AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA

and for those who want to serve those less fortunate children of

AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA! lets all UNITE!!!!!!!!

!there is none GREATER then AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA within US,Through US and

around US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so this child invites ALL to CELEBRATE OUR BELOVED MASTER TEACHER WHO WE ALL SO

AFFECTIONATELTY know as

AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA

Ammachi

patria1818

Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:21:39 -0800

Re: A story with a deep prayer for peace and justice for all

To Stacee (and trolls in general)..

OK, we get it. You've made your point. You used to like Amma and now you're

disillusioned with her and disgusted with the Amritapuri organization. Take

messages like this to the ex-Amma . We don't need to hear stories of

disgruntled ex-devotees with axes to grind whose only message seems to be " I

used to be an ardent devotee just like all of you Amma-holics, but now I've seen

the light...hallelujah! "

Also, this group is not a forum for Christian proselytizing.

Keval

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January 1, 2010

I'm glad you say things like this so newer members see how slanted it is,

unfortunately. For example, the latest Satsang Nuggets video I purposefully

edited out wording that was unnecessary.

As the video is now, it ends something like " Surrender to the river, the river

of existence. " The passage actually ends, " Surrender to the river, the river

of existence, the river of Amma. "

That's the clear difference between Nealu's pure spirituality based talks, and

the talks of Big Swami, Sw. Ramakrishna, etc. that's more like an

all-you-can-eat sugar buffet of indoctrination into " How great Amma is, Amma

Amma Amma. " . I suspect Temba is the " Ma!Ma! man " mentioned in Chasing the

Avatar book, LOL.

Ammachi , temba spirit <tembaspirits wrote:

>

> if that is what is being done then this child agrees.people should be able to

CELEBRATE AMMA IN EVERY WAY ON THIS GROUP!

>

> Lets all dance the dance of AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA...........

>

> lets all sing the praise of AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA

>

> and for those who want to serve those less fortunate children of

AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA! lets all UNITE!!!!!!!!

> !there is none GREATER then AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA within US,Through US and

around US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> so this child invites ALL to CELEBRATE OUR BELOVED MASTER TEACHER WHO WE ALL

SO AFFECTIONATELTY know as

AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA

>

> Ammachi

> patria1818

> Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:21:39 -0800

> Re: A story with a deep prayer for peace and justice for

all

>

January 1, 2010

All I can say that we are too short-sighted to be able to see the big picture.

Again when we are faced with pain or going through tough challenges, this is a

real test of faith, some may get angry and turn their backs at their guru for

causing it. Life is full of ups and downs, it does not matter whether it happens

with and around Amma or without, God is still part of it as everything IS God.

It's natural for people to want to run away when things get difficult rather

than face it. Even Amma's Swami's were not without difficult tests in the

beginning. They chose to have faith and stick with it. In the end, they have

become luminous and completely selfless with total acceptance offering

themselves to serve us.

When something does not go our way, do we go seek blame or do we say thanks and

let it teach us something about ourselves? In fact all this happening is

bringing stuff up to the surface, lack of faith, fears that Amma isn't what you

expected Her to be, fear of the struggles and pain, fear that it won't get

better, and so on.

None of us is exempted from any karma nor any tests with pain. In order to

become detached and disillusioned, we have to see the good in everything, have

trust and faith, have love, and most important of all ACCEPT that everything is

PRASAD. Again it also comes here to accepting and trusting that Amma knows

better and knows more than we can understand and grasp. The mind ALWAYS wants

answers instantly and won't be satisfied until it gets it. That causes

disturbance. That's what I sense, the always wanting answers for everything that

goes wrong.

This reminds me of Prahlad. His father was a demon, but Prahlad was born with

vervent devotion to Vishnu. His father conspired to kill him in so many ways,

even sent to have him be put into a pot of boiling water. Did Prahlad spend his

time and energy cursing Vishnu for being born into a demonic family that hated

him? No, he chose to spend every moment praising Vishu always saying " Hari,

Hari " . As a matter of fact it was his intense devotion that repelled the

negativity and protected him from harm. He saw everything as Vishnu's play.

What goes on in our lives says a lot about what is going on within and how much

work we have to do. It's all a mirror. No one is to blame, not even Amma. All

She is is a mirror, a reflection. If you want to experience more love, peace,

devotion and trust, then those things need to be worked on and it WILL certainly

come back to you in any shape and form if you believe in the good and trust

that.

Ammachi , Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer wrote:

>

> Before I tell my story I ask for prayer and protection from Ammachi herself,

and her Organization, as well as Prayer and protection from Lord Babaji, Lord

Jesus Christ and Mother Mary. May we all come together in peace, each of us, no

matter where we are in this world. The following story is one where there was a

misunderstanding of peace and love, and God himself forgives us in every moment.

God himself loves each of us equally and could never chose one over another. If

this is happening at all in Amritapuri and in Ammachi's mission we humbly

request that it stop. We are all one. We are all just as precious, important and

lovely as all of our brothers and sisters on this Earth. My wish for this new

year is that we truly begin to see this in each moment in our lives not matter

what the situation, myself included.

>

> Dear Stacy,

>

> Thank you. I think I feel fear now and great shock and sadness

January 1, 2010

beautifully said with clarity and from the heart, thanks

Ammachi , " stacysgarage " <stacysgarage wrote:

>

> All I can say that we are too short-sighted to be able to see the big picture.