Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Hi Ordinary Sparrow, I have been reading much about what they are doing at Amrita and the other word that is used with Entrepreneur there is venture capitalists, which I am not so sure is a good word. Venture capital (also known as VC or Venture) is a type of private equity capital typically provided for early-stage, high-potential, growth companies in the interest of generating a return through an eventual realization event such as an IPO or trade sale of the company. Venture capital investments are generally made as cash in exchange for shares in the invested company. It is typical for venture capital investors to identify and back companies in high technology industries such as biotechnology and ICT (information and communication technology). Venture capital typically comes from institutional investors and high net worth individuals and is pooled together by dedicated investment firms. My questions have to do with why are Bramachari's who are vowed renunciates and who have renounced the world involved with this sort of work? And then all that I ask is that if they are and if it be successful, that it be used to help others in need. The www.connectone.in website puts attention on being an entrepreneur on any level of entrepreneur, mostly for technology, but again, where is this money going and why is Ammachi a part of this? And when you do research on her use of touring funds throughout the past 20 years or so she has called them charity, but has used them to create many schools, universities and a hospital that only the middle class and wealthy can afford. Please help me to understand this, as this is not for the poor, nor is it helping the poor as most of these organizations are staffed for very little pay or no pay by devotees. In Peace, Stacee ________________________________ Ordinary Sparrow <ordinarysparrow Ammachi Tue, December 29, 2009 2:26:23 PM Re: Letter sent to Swami Ramakrishna Namaste Stacee it might be beneficial to do a definition search on the word and concept of Entrepreneur. The definition used here for Entrepreneur is highly inadequate and derogatory; " And the slick approach is to use the term Entrepreneur. Which means wealth for the sake of wealth. " Some of the greatest social philanthropic work on this planet has been done by those considered entrepreneurs. There can be all kinds of entrepreneurs, social, political, financial, educational, and on and on. .. .Maybe your concern is in part a misunderstanding of words. Stacee we live in the www.world where anyone can say anything and have it cycled and re-cyled to infinity and back. One of the common sense rules of the Universe is; if one is leading the pack there are always going to be others nipping at their heels. The only thing i know for sure about Amma; she is the hands of God here on Earth serving the world each day. She has touched my life in ways i could never begin to express and there are thousands upon thousands of accounts from others of how she has touched and transformed their lives for the better. May peace be with you Stacee and to each person, whether they bow at the front of Amma's feet or whether they see her in a frame they think merits nips to her heels. We all look through our own unique individual periscopes at the ever changing beauty and complexity of the One we call Amma as she reveals her sincere benevolence to a world that needs Her goodness. I shall forever be grateful for Amma and all that serve to make this world better. Stacee i came across a wonderful website a few weeks back that you or others might enjoy. . . It is a treasure chest of film makers and storytellers that are talking about things that really matter. . . . Culture Unplugged http://www.cultureunplugged.com/index.php <Namaste%20%20Stacee%20it%20might%20be%20beneficial%20to%20do%20a%20defi\ nition%20search%20on%20the%20word%20and%20concept%20of%20Entrepreneur.%2\ 0%20The%20definition%20used%20here%20for%20Entrepreneur%20is%20highly%20\ inadequate%20and%20derogatory;%20> Stacee we live in such a changing world, new ways of bringing good for others is needed and changing. I hope you can consider the inaccuracte definition of the word Entrepreneur. There are many ways and means of goodness. Wherever the land is dry and hard you can be the water. . . Or you could be the blade disking the earth's green Or you could be the auquia, the ditch that carries water from river to fields; Or you could be the just engineer mapping dams that must be taken down, And those which would serve the venerable all, instead of only the very few, Or you could be a battered vessel for carrying water by hand; Or you could be the one who stores the water, protects it, blesses it or pours it; Or you could be the tired ground that receives it; Or you could be the scorched seed that drinks it; Or you could be the vine green-growing overland in all wild audacity. If there is an ancient secret to caring for and mending the significant lacerations to this Oh-My-Dear-God-Beautiful Earth we've been given, by soul's light it might be just a four word prayer from Creator to humanity; " Please, just start anywhere. " .. Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estes May you know peace. Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha marci ordinary sparrow Ammachi , Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer wrote: > > Dear all, > This letter was written to Swami Ramakrishna in response to a thread about the consultant and AIMS charity funding and an awesome link to the SRF Walrus that has many interesting messages from Borg108, and many others. It is very worthwhile to read the link about the whole AIMS incident (see below) as well as how many of Ammachi's non profits are being run very poorly or only for profit. And how the ashram is seen from the eyes of two other people who have spent time at many other ashrams in India, which are run for free, and do not ask for any money for people to stay in them. Borg108 also mentions that Guru's in India are not supposed to ask for donations, especially during pujas, they are supposed to wait and allow God to care for their needs. Borg108 was in India at this time and partaking in the planetary puja which required one to pay and many of the poor Indian's who truly needed the assistance of this puja could not afford to be part of this puja. > Please members on this list send this information and questioning to anyone you feel may be able to redirect the way things are being run at Amritapuri. If the public is now taking notice to these confusions and errors then there is a lack of care and integrity to the degree that we cannot turn our backs, we must question. And please, as I have changed this letter a bit, can someone on this list see that it is resent to Swami Ramakrishna? Many thanks. > In Peace, > Stacee > > > Dear Swami Ramakrishna, (RE: New Business vs. Entrepreneur) > > > Many are truly troubled in the West and in India by what they are seeing at Amritapuri. It is hard to see what others see when you live a confined life. We desperately need to be attending to the hungry and the poor. If you have any ability at all to share our concerns with Ammachi please do so. I wish I could give more and I give as much as I can. I would be considered impoverished by what I have and how I live in the US. But I do sponsor a poor child from the Dominican Republic through Children International. Even if Amma chose to help 1000-2000 of these children it would make a huge difference in the world. > > There are many that are truly heartbroken to see what has happened to Ammachi and her organization many feel she is not using her life appropriately and in truth. I know this would seem astonishing as so many thousands come. > > This is in response to the new program Ammachi has implemented at Amrita University School of Engineering to encourage and groom venture capitalists and entrepreneurs. It would be good to see that Ammachi is encouraging new businesses that will help the poor and hungry in India, rather then these other words which focus on encouraging others to come to Amritapuri and work on ways to create wealth and do not seem to take into account the need for Ammachi to be focusing on the charity she so often asks for during her touring. > > Please help us redirect Ammachi and her fame and power to that of truly serving poverty and hunger in the world. The devotees have truly gotten all they will ever need to get from Ammachi as a Master. A true Master (Raja Yoga, Sufi) lets go after a maximum of 10 years and then allows the disciple to go out in the world and truly serve. As far as a Sannyasin I do not know what the alternative would be. > > Please help us here, we see things have gone out of control with Ammachi's organization. We no not want to be disrespectful, but the world needs so much more, as the hungry and impoverished, and so much less of what Ammachi is doing traveling around the world selling things and making money. She should not be encouraging people to leave their lives and families to travel with her. People are scrambling around trying to earn money to keep up with touring. Let them serve their communities and have the freedom to serve other charity's around the world that are in need, as we are hearing that Ammachi's charity drive is actually taking away opportunity's for many other charities. > > In peace (Please see the letter I wrote to the Director of Connectone as well below.) > Stacee > > > > > Entrepeneur vs New Business - connectone.in > > > Letter to a Bramachari who is now the Director of Connectone and a professor at Amrita School of Engineering. > > My brother is well aware of the two men you chose as Amrita friends- The Indus Entrepreneurs - One started Exodus, the other Hot-mail. (Their extreme wealth is very well known). It seems that Amma is leveraging a bit here. And the slick approach is to use the term Entrepreneur. Which means wealth for the sake of wealth. We also get the picture that Amma is trying to rebuild India with Western funding. > > Now even more so to draw Western funding to India. We hope that it is to further help the poor in India find better opportunities to live and work. Lets hope these young and budding venture capitalists and entrepreneurs want to help the poor and down trodden as it will do no good at all if we create another millionaire that builds a business and home for himself and his family. > > It seems you have built this website connectone.in out of naivete and good intentions. But from a Western perspective, Ammachi has done this with her whole empire with charitable donations from the West. We did not give her $ to hold onto and transfer into money making opportunities but to truly help the poor and offer charity. There is much out there on the web were Americans have stayed in India and gone to many of Ammachi's " charitable " institutions to see how they are run. The only charity was the orphanage, and it was run very poorly, and subsidized by the government. AIMS is something that is of big debate and several have approached Ammachi about the false claims of 50% charitable offering to the poor. > > Did you know that all other ashrams in India run for free? And that if one wishes to visit they are not asked for any money and can offer a love donation before they leave if they wish. > > http://srfwalrus. yuku.com/ forum/viewtopic/ id/1332 > > Check out this discussion with Borg108 and several others on this list that speak about these things openly including a Swami that left Ammachi's organization becauuse of false claims. Borg108 was also approached by a woman from India saying that Amma was asking " all children without fathers to get back on the tour bus, but what she had really said, as Borg108 explains, that " all you bastards get back on the bus. " It seems Ammachi has taught you all to remain silent with the outside. Discussion from peers and heart to heart talk and criticism is important. We need to question all that is happening to our lives and in the world not just blindly follow and agree. > > Remember, that you are leaning on Ammachi's name and power, not your own talent. Which in the outside world does not usually happen we must depend on our own merits and work hard to serve others. My wish is that Amma would have given much more of her fortune over the years to other countries in poverty. I feel the same way about the wealthy stars here in the US who have hundreds of millions of dollars. We need to eradicate hunger around the world not build more schools and Universities in a country (Ammachi's schools - something like 52 tuition based) that has them for free by the Government. > > Can you encourage any of the potential financial gain that Amrita will make during these alliances be used for the hungry and poor? > > (Personal note this has been shocking and sad information for me to learn about after the past four months. After being a devotee myself and quite in love with this saint and her beautiful community. I feel though that the truth will out. If this is at all an interest to you, you can begin your research too and learn of these things this information is all on the Internet, shared by devotees and renunciates that have been hurt and mislead and are trying to come to terms with their experiences. Please forgive me if I have saddened, hurt or offended anyone. I am also trying to heal from many wounds during my time with Ammachi. In Peace and Love and In Christ's name, Stacee) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Greetings Stacee Just my thoughts on Venture Capitalism. Once again would encourage you to do an indepth search of Venture Capitalism. Stacee i can easily get in over my head here for the complexities of economics is definitely not my specialty. These are some things you might want to consider when graveling with the concept Venture Capitalism. It sounds to me like you are seeing the term from Western lens. And yes we are living in times when greed has gone amok by Capitalism. Please remember we are in a very different social and economic place than India. Many have been held in dire poverty in India with little abilities to move into higher economic structures because of the inability to obtain credit. I think if you search the full range of credit you will find that many countries have been lifted out of poverty in large part because of innovative Venture Capitalism opportunities, two that come to mind are Cambodia and Vietnam. Venture Capitalism makes it possible for individuals to obtain financial backing that they could not obtain from the old encrusted financial institutions that will not loan except to the well established. Once again there are different kinds of " Social venture capital is a form of venture capital <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venture_capital> investing that provides capital to businesses deemed socially and environmentally responsible. These investments are intended to both provide attractive returns to investors and to provide market-based solutions to social and environmental issues. " Wicki Not so many years ago there was the man from India that won the Nobel Peace Prize for social venture capital. . .Stacee Micofinancing is a form of Venture Capitalism. Stacee i hope you can follow some of these links from Wickipedia and see that Venture Capitalism is truly a much broader economic term. Also you might want to look into the history of Martin Luther King Jr. and also Gandhi. . .I think you will find lots of material written about poverty and their views that economic structures have to be put into place for there to be lasting change. Martin Luther King Jr. strong message was no real reform would be possible for African Americans until there would be financial systems put in place that would allow them to enter the market place. With each underprivileged person that is able to start a business, they not only change their own lives but employ others. I can dig those references out if you cannot find them. Poverty is not changed by handing out rations alone. People need sustenance for living but they also need innovative educational and economic programs to lift them out of poverty so they can lift others out. That is how poverty is truly overcome. It appears to me Amma is implementing the dreams of both Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. Stacee i a large part of the problem is in understanding culture differences and realizing that our social situations and economic language and reality may be very different than India's social and economic language and reality. Stacee this is just a couple of the angles i see, truly there are many ways and layers of seeing and meaning and i do not need to invalidate anyone for the lens they see their world. I know my own bottom line, i trust Amma, she lives in my heart i know her goodness. I also know how hard it can be to go through the process of fire and ice, the ego can find all kinds of ways to avoid and protest its nothingness. For those that have left Amma i wish them grace and goodness at every turn for i trust each person to be determiners of their path. If this is an issue that really troubles your heart then i would encourage you to write Amma directly. Some references you might be interested in concerning Social Venture Capitalism. " Among the firms that deploy " social venture capital " are: Acumen Fund <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acumen_Fund> , Triodos Bank <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triodos_Bank> , Calvert Group, Gray Ghost Ventures, The New Economics Foundation <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economics_Foundation> , Social Venture Capital Fund, Venturesome Fund <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venturesome_Fund> , Social Venture Partners, VenturEast BYST Growth Fund and Good Capital. " See also * Venture capital <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venture_capital> * Socially responsible investing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socially_responsible_investing> * Microfinance <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microfinance> * Angel Capital <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_Capital> [edit <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Social_venture_capital & action\ =edit & section=2> ] References * Glasner, Joanna. " Wholesome Investing <http://www.vcjnews.com/story.asp?sectioncode=27 & storycode=44803> . " Venture Capital Journal, July 1, 2008. * Tiku, Nitasha . " Do-Gooder Finance: How a new crop of investors is helping social entrepreneurs. <http://www.inc.com/magazine/20080201/do-gooder-finance.html> " Inc.com, February 2008. Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha marci ordinary sparrow Ammachi , Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer wrote: > > Hi Ordinary Sparrow, > > I have been reading much about what they are doing at Amrita and the other word that is used with Entrepreneur there is venture capitalists, which I am not so sure is a good word. > > Venture capital (also known as VC or Venture) is a type of private equity capital typically provided for early-stage, high-potential, growth companies in the interest of generating a return through an eventual realization event such as an IPO or trade sale of the company. Venture capital investments are generally made as cash in exchange for shares in the invested company. It is typical for venture capital investors to identify and back companies in high technology industries such as biotechnology and ICT (information and communication technology). > Venture capital typically comes from institutional investors and high net worth individuals and is pooled together by dedicated investment firms. > > My questions have to do with why are Bramachari's who are vowed renunciates and who have renounced the world involved with this sort of work? And then all that I ask is that if they are and if it be successful, that it be used to help others in need. The www.connectone.in website puts attention on being an entrepreneur on any level of entrepreneur, mostly for technology, but again, where is this money going and why is Ammachi a part of this? And when you do research on her use of touring funds throughout the past 20 years or so she has called them charity, but has used them to create many schools, universities and a hospital that only the middle class and wealthy can afford. > > Please help me to understand this, as this is not for the poor, nor is it helping the poor as most of these organizations are staffed for very little pay or no pay by devotees. > > In Peace, > Stacee > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 So beloved are you to tell me that those Thousands of homes built were built for middle and upper class people?all the people that have been supported through the Tsunami catastrophe ?What about the over 27,000,000 people that have been hugged? Do you think AMMA went to kenya this summer to take their money.Kenya is one of the poorest country's in the world yet SHE traveled their for funds.for every bad thing you point out i can find something good.LOOK FOR THE GOOD beloved friend and you will find it. i am a North American devotee who has started service's maybe not as Huge as a hospital ,but AMMA has supported all i have done.i have experienced racism in the MA center,so what! We live in a racist world.i still see the GOOD happening in the MA CENTER.yes i disagree with swami dayamrita's approach sometimes but so what. I know his heart as not many people do as i met him through a phone call and letter from prison. AMMA told him and the MA center to support me in every way they could and this has continued up until now! they offered to send me money while i was in jail to help me make calls and i turned it down.they send me over 50 of AMMAs books to pass out to the brothers. i saw hardened criminals hearts melt when they saw the face of AMMA and my devotion to Her. please do not put AMMA in the box of your own issue's.instead of wasting all this time on what AMMA should do differently what can u do! i need help serving the poorest country in the U.S and we are on FIRE WITH AMMAS GRACE! will you help me? will you? Ammachi stacee.kramer Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:06:37 -0800 term Venture Capitalist Hi Ordinary Sparrow, I have been reading much about what they are doing at Amrita and the other word that is used with Entrepreneur there is venture capitalists, which I am not so sure is a good word. Venture capital (also known as VC or Venture) is a type of private equity capital typically provided for early-stage, high-potential, growth companies in the interest of generating a return through an eventual realization event such as an IPO or trade sale of the company. Venture capital investments are generally made as cash in exchange for shares in the invested company. It is typical for venture capital investors to identify and back companies in high technology industries such as biotechnology and ICT (information and communication technology). Venture capital typically comes from institutional investors and high net worth individuals and is pooled together by dedicated investment firms. My questions have to do with why are Bramachari's who are vowed renunciates and who have renounced the world involved with this sort of work? And then all that I ask is that if they are and if it be successful, that it be used to help others in need. The www.connectone.in website puts attention on being an entrepreneur on any level of entrepreneur, mostly for technology, but again, where is this money going and why is Ammachi a part of this? And when you do research on her use of touring funds throughout the past 20 years or so she has called them charity, but has used them to create many schools, universities and a hospital that only the middle class and wealthy can afford. Please help me to understand this, as this is not for the poor, nor is it helping the poor as most of these organizations are staffed for very little pay or no pay by devotees. In Peace, Stacee ________________________________ Ordinary Sparrow <ordinarysparrow Ammachi Tue, December 29, 2009 2:26:23 PM Re: Letter sent to Swami Ramakrishna Namaste Stacee it might be beneficial to do a definition search on the word and concept of Entrepreneur. The definition used here for Entrepreneur is highly inadequate and derogatory; " And the slick approach is to use the term Entrepreneur. Which means wealth for the sake of wealth. " Some of the greatest social philanthropic work on this planet has been done by those considered entrepreneurs. There can be all kinds of entrepreneurs, social, political, financial, educational, and on and on. .. .Maybe your concern is in part a misunderstanding of words. Stacee we live in the www.world where anyone can say anything and have it cycled and re-cyled to infinity and back. One of the common sense rules of the Universe is; if one is leading the pack there are always going to be others nipping at their heels. The only thing i know for sure about Amma; she is the hands of God here on Earth serving the world each day. She has touched my life in ways i could never begin to express and there are thousands upon thousands of accounts from others of how she has touched and transformed their lives for the better. May peace be with you Stacee and to each person, whether they bow at the front of Amma's feet or whether they see her in a frame they think merits nips to her heels. We all look through our own unique individual periscopes at the ever changing beauty and complexity of the One we call Amma as she reveals her sincere benevolence to a world that needs Her goodness. I shall forever be grateful for Amma and all that serve to make this world better. Stacee i came across a wonderful website a few weeks back that you or others might enjoy. . . It is a treasure chest of film makers and storytellers that are talking about things that really matter. . . . Culture Unplugged http://www.cultureunplugged.com/index.php <Namaste%20%20Stacee%20it%20might%20be%20beneficial%20to%20do%20a%20defi\ nition%20search%20on%20the%20word%20and%20concept%20of%20Entrepreneur.%2\ 0%20The%20definition%20used%20here%20for%20Entrepreneur%20is%20highly%20\ inadequate%20and%20derogatory;%20> Stacee we live in such a changing world, new ways of bringing good for others is needed and changing. I hope you can consider the inaccuracte definition of the word Entrepreneur. There are many ways and means of goodness. Wherever the land is dry and hard you can be the water. . . Or you could be the blade disking the earth's green Or you could be the auquia, the ditch that carries water from river to fields; Or you could be the just engineer mapping dams that must be taken down, And those which would serve the venerable all, instead of only the very few, Or you could be a battered vessel for carrying water by hand; Or you could be the one who stores the water, protects it, blesses it or pours it; Or you could be the tired ground that receives it; Or you could be the scorched seed that drinks it; Or you could be the vine green-growing overland in all wild audacity. If there is an ancient secret to caring for and mending the significant lacerations to this Oh-My-Dear-God-Beautiful Earth we've been given, by soul's light it might be just a four word prayer from Creator to humanity; " Please, just start anywhere. " .. Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estes May you know peace. Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha marci ordinary sparrow Ammachi , Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer wrote: > > Dear all, > This letter was written to Swami Ramakrishna in response to a thread about the consultant and AIMS charity funding and an awesome link to the SRF Walrus that has many interesting messages from Borg108, and many others. It is very worthwhile to read the link about the whole AIMS incident (see below) as well as how many of Ammachi's non profits are being run very poorly or only for profit. And how the ashram is seen from the eyes of two other people who have spent time at many other ashrams in India, which are run for free, and do not ask for any money for people to stay in them. Borg108 also mentions that Guru's in India are not supposed to ask for donations, especially during pujas, they are supposed to wait and allow God to care for their needs. Borg108 was in India at this time and partaking in the planetary puja which required one to pay and many of the poor Indian's who truly needed the assistance of this puja could not afford to be part of this puja. > Please members on this list send this information and questioning to anyone you feel may be able to redirect the way things are being run at Amritapuri. If the public is now taking notice to these confusions and errors then there is a lack of care and integrity to the degree that we cannot turn our backs, we must question. And please, as I have changed this letter a bit, can someone on this list see that it is resent to Swami Ramakrishna? Many thanks. > In Peace, > Stacee > > > Dear Swami Ramakrishna, (RE: New Business vs. Entrepreneur) > > > Many are truly troubled in the West and in India by what they are seeing at Amritapuri. It is hard to see what others see when you live a confined life. We desperately need to be attending to the hungry and the poor. If you have any ability at all to share our concerns with Ammachi please do so. I wish I could give more and I give as much as I can. I would be considered impoverished by what I have and how I live in the US. But I do sponsor a poor child from the Dominican Republic through Children International. Even if Amma chose to help 1000-2000 of these children it would make a huge difference in the world. > > There are many that are truly heartbroken to see what has happened to Ammachi and her organization many feel she is not using her life appropriately and in truth. I know this would seem astonishing as so many thousands come. > > This is in response to the new program Ammachi has implemented at Amrita University School of Engineering to encourage and groom venture capitalists and entrepreneurs. It would be good to see that Ammachi is encouraging new businesses that will help the poor and hungry in India, rather then these other words which focus on encouraging others to come to Amritapuri and work on ways to create wealth and do not seem to take into account the need for Ammachi to be focusing on the charity she so often asks for during her touring. > > Please help us redirect Ammachi and her fame and power to that of truly serving poverty and hunger in the world. The devotees have truly gotten all they will ever need to get from Ammachi as a Master. A true Master (Raja Yoga, Sufi) lets go after a maximum of 10 years and then allows the disciple to go out in the world and truly serve. As far as a Sannyasin I do not know what the alternative would be. > > Please help us here, we see things have gone out of control with Ammachi's organization. We no not want to be disrespectful, but the world needs so much more, as the hungry and impoverished, and so much less of what Ammachi is doing traveling around the world selling things and making money. She should not be encouraging people to leave their lives and families to travel with her. People are scrambling around trying to earn money to keep up with touring. Let them serve their communities and have the freedom to serve other charity's around the world that are in need, as we are hearing that Ammachi's charity drive is actually taking away opportunity's for many other charities. > > In peace (Please see the letter I wrote to the Director of Connectone as well below.) > Stacee > > > > > Entrepeneur vs New Business - connectone.in > > > Letter to a Bramachari who is now the Director of Connectone and a professor at Amrita School of Engineering. > > My brother is well aware of the two men you chose as Amrita friends- The Indus Entrepreneurs - One started Exodus, the other Hot-mail. (Their extreme wealth is very well known). It seems that Amma is leveraging a bit here. And the slick approach is to use the term Entrepreneur. Which means wealth for the sake of wealth. We also get the picture that Amma is trying to rebuild India with Western funding. > > Now even more so to draw Western funding to India. We hope that it is to further help the poor in India find better opportunities to live and work. Lets hope these young and budding venture capitalists and entrepreneurs want to help the poor and down trodden as it will do no good at all if we create another millionaire that builds a business and home for himself and his family. > > It seems you have built this website connectone.in out of naivete and good intentions. But from a Western perspective, Ammachi has done this with her whole empire with charitable donations from the West. We did not give her $ to hold onto and transfer into money making opportunities but to truly help the poor and offer charity. There is much out there on the web were Americans have stayed in India and gone to many of Ammachi's " charitable " institutions to see how they are run. The only charity was the orphanage, and it was run very poorly, and subsidized by the government. AIMS is something that is of big debate and several have approached Ammachi about the false claims of 50% charitable offering to the poor. > > Did you know that all other ashrams in India run for free? And that if one wishes to visit they are not asked for any money and can offer a love donation before they leave if they wish. > > http://srfwalrus. yuku.com/ forum/viewtopic/ id/1332 > > Check out this discussion with Borg108 and several others on this list that speak about these things openly including a Swami that left Ammachi's organization becauuse of false claims. Borg108 was also approached by a woman from India saying that Amma was asking " all children without fathers to get back on the tour bus, but what she had really said, as Borg108 explains, that " all you bastards get back on the bus. " It seems Ammachi has taught you all to remain silent with the outside. Discussion from peers and heart to heart talk and criticism is important. We need to question all that is happening to our lives and in the world not just blindly follow and agree. > > Remember, that you are leaning on Ammachi's name and power, not your own talent. Which in the outside world does not usually happen we must depend on our own merits and work hard to serve others. My wish is that Amma would have given much more of her fortune over the years to other countries in poverty. I feel the same way about the wealthy stars here in the US who have hundreds of millions of dollars. We need to eradicate hunger around the world not build more schools and Universities in a country (Ammachi's schools - something like 52 tuition based) that has them for free by the Government. > > Can you encourage any of the potential financial gain that Amrita will make during these alliances be used for the hungry and poor? > > (Personal note this has been shocking and sad information for me to learn about after the past four months. After being a devotee myself and quite in love with this saint and her beautiful community. I feel though that the truth will out. If this is at all an interest to you, you can begin your research too and learn of these things this information is all on the Internet, shared by devotees and renunciates that have been hurt and mislead and are trying to come to terms with their experiences. Please forgive me if I have saddened, hurt or offended anyone. I am also trying to heal from many wounds during my time with Ammachi. In Peace and Love and In Christ's name, Stacee) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Trying to understand AMMA with your head will not ever happen darling children of AMMA. you will only be left with your own mind which is the source of the world's confusion.our minds got this world in the shape it is in.think with with your heart and then you may behold a glimpes of our BELOVED MASTER that we call AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA........ Ammachi ordinarysparrow Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:03:34 +0000 Re: term Venture Capitalist Greetings Stacee Just my thoughts on Venture Capitalism. Once again would encourage you to do an indepth search of Venture Capitalism. Stacee i can easily get in over my head here for the complexities of economics is definitely not my specialty. These are some things you might want to consider when graveling with the concept Venture Capitalism. It sounds to me like you are seeing the term from Western lens. And yes we are living in times when greed has gone amok by Capitalism. Please remember we are in a very different social and economic place than India. Many have been held in dire poverty in India with little abilities to move into higher economic structures because of the inability to obtain credit. I think if you search the full range of credit you will find that many countries have been lifted out of poverty in large part because of innovative Venture Capitalism opportunities, two that come to mind are Cambodia and Vietnam. Venture Capitalism makes it possible for individuals to obtain financial backing that they could not obtain from the old encrusted financial institutions that will not loan except to the well established. Once again there are different kinds of " Social venture capital is a form of venture capital <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venture_capital> investing that provides capital to businesses deemed socially and environmentally responsible. These investments are intended to both provide attractive returns to investors and to provide market-based solutions to social and environmental issues. " Wicki Not so many years ago there was the man from India that won the Nobel Peace Prize for social venture capital. . .Stacee Micofinancing is a form of Venture Capitalism. Stacee i hope you can follow some of these links from Wickipedia and see that Venture Capitalism is truly a much broader economic term. Also you might want to look into the history of Martin Luther King Jr. and also Gandhi. . .I think you will find lots of material written about poverty and their views that economic structures have to be put into place for there to be lasting change. Martin Luther King Jr. strong message was no real reform would be possible for African Americans until there would be financial systems put in place that would allow them to enter the market place. With each underprivileged person that is able to start a business, they not only change their own lives but employ others. I can dig those references out if you cannot find them. Poverty is not changed by handing out rations alone. People need sustenance for living but they also need innovative educational and economic programs to lift them out of poverty so they can lift others out. That is how poverty is truly overcome. It appears to me Amma is implementing the dreams of both Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. Stacee i a large part of the problem is in understanding culture differences and realizing that our social situations and economic language and reality may be very different than India's social and economic language and reality. Stacee this is just a couple of the angles i see, truly there are many ways and layers of seeing and meaning and i do not need to invalidate anyone for the lens they see their world. I know my own bottom line, i trust Amma, she lives in my heart i know her goodness. I also know how hard it can be to go through the process of fire and ice, the ego can find all kinds of ways to avoid and protest its nothingness. For those that have left Amma i wish them grace and goodness at every turn for i trust each person to be determiners of their path. If this is an issue that really troubles your heart then i would encourage you to write Amma directly. Some references you might be interested in concerning Social Venture Capitalism. " Among the firms that deploy " social venture capital " are: Acumen Fund <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acumen_Fund> , Triodos Bank <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triodos_Bank> , Calvert Group, Gray Ghost Ventures, The New Economics Foundation <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economics_Foundation> , Social Venture Capital Fund, Venturesome Fund <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venturesome_Fund> , Social Venture Partners, VenturEast BYST Growth Fund and Good Capital. " See also * Venture capital <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venture_capital> * Socially responsible investing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socially_responsible_investing> * Microfinance <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microfinance> * Angel Capital <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_Capital> [edit <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Social_venture_capital & action\ =edit & section=2> ] References * Glasner, Joanna. " Wholesome Investing <http://www.vcjnews.com/story.asp?sectioncode=27 & storycode=44803> . " Venture Capital Journal, July 1, 2008. * Tiku, Nitasha . " Do-Gooder Finance: How a new crop of investors is helping social entrepreneurs. <http://www.inc.com/magazine/20080201/do-gooder-finance.html> " Inc.com, February 2008. Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha marci ordinary sparrow Ammachi , Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer wrote: > > Hi Ordinary Sparrow, > > I have been reading much about what they are doing at Amrita and the other word that is used with Entrepreneur there is venture capitalists, which I am not so sure is a good word. > > Venture capital (also known as VC or Venture) is a type of private equity capital typically provided for early-stage, high-potential, growth companies in the interest of generating a return through an eventual realization event such as an IPO or trade sale of the company. Venture capital investments are generally made as cash in exchange for shares in the invested company. It is typical for venture capital investors to identify and back companies in high technology industries such as biotechnology and ICT (information and communication technology). > Venture capital typically comes from institutional investors and high net worth individuals and is pooled together by dedicated investment firms. > > My questions have to do with why are Bramachari's who are vowed renunciates and who have renounced the world involved with this sort of work? And then all that I ask is that if they are and if it be successful, that it be used to help others in need. The www.connectone.in website puts attention on being an entrepreneur on any level of entrepreneur, mostly for technology, but again, where is this money going and why is Ammachi a part of this? And when you do research on her use of touring funds throughout the past 20 years or so she has called them charity, but has used them to create many schools, universities and a hospital that only the middle class and wealthy can afford. > > Please help me to understand this, as this is not for the poor, nor is it helping the poor as most of these organizations are staffed for very little pay or no pay by devotees. > > In Peace, > Stacee > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Why worry about what others say and do? Why does one Teacher or Guru have to be wrong for others to be right. This is why i tend to be solitary in my prayer and study. I read Amma's teachings. I experience her Love and Goodness and Holiness when i am fortunate enough to go for darshan. I try to take her teachings and those from my past and live by them, and i don't pay much attention to what others are doing or saying. I know you have been following Amma's teachings for a while, and also Babaji...And now Jesus and Mary. There is so much love and truth in all of those teachings, and yet, you can turn any corner and there will be those who will point fingers and tell nasty stories and try to cast doubt in your mind about ALL of them. It is ok to listen if you have the time and patience, but for me, i follow what feels right in my heart. This is what the teachings are all about...to stay steady and strong and emanate Love no matter what comes at you or surrounds you, and to not get caught up in the muck and mire that is spread all around you... Trust Amma...trust yourself... I believe Amma has her children's best interest at heart. That is all i believe. If i am naive, that's ok. Love, mare Visit Moon* & *Stars Studio at: http://moonstarsstudio.blogspot.com/ and visit my online shop at: http://moonandstarsstudio.etsy.com On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:06:37 -0800 (PST) Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer writes: > Hi Ordinary Sparrow, > > I have been reading much about what they are doing at Amrita and the > other word that is used with Entrepreneur there is venture > capitalists, which I am not so sure is a good word. > > Venture capital (also known as VC or Venture) is a type of private > equity capital typically provided for early-stage, high-potential, > growth companies in the interest of generating a return through an > eventual realization event such as an IPO or trade sale of the > company. Venture capital investments are generally made as cash in > exchange for shares in the invested company. It is typical for > venture capital investors to identify and back companies in high > technology industries such as biotechnology and ICT (information and > communication technology). > Venture capital typically comes from institutional investors and > high net worth individuals and is pooled together by dedicated > investment firms. > > My questions have to do with why are Bramachari's who are vowed > renunciates and who have renounced the world involved with this sort > of work? And then all that I ask is that if they are and if it be > successful, that it be used to help others in need. The > www.connectone.in website puts attention on being an entrepreneur on > any level of entrepreneur, mostly for technology, but again, where > is this money going and why is Ammachi a part of this? And when you > do research on her use of touring funds throughout the past 20 years > or so she has called them charity, but has used them to create many > schools, universities and a hospital that only the middle class and > wealthy can afford. > > Please help me to understand this, as this is not for the poor, nor > is it helping the poor as most of these organizations are staffed > for very little pay or no pay by devotees. > > In Peace, > Stacee > > > > > ________________________________ > Ordinary Sparrow <ordinarysparrow > Ammachi > Tue, December 29, 2009 2:26:23 PM > Re: Letter sent to Swami Ramakrishna > > > Namaste > > Stacee it might be beneficial to do a definition search on the word > and > concept of Entrepreneur. The definition used here for Entrepreneur > is > highly inadequate and derogatory; " And the slick approach is to use > the > term Entrepreneur. Which means wealth for the sake of wealth. " > > Some of the greatest social philanthropic work on this planet has > been > done by those considered entrepreneurs. There can be all kinds of > entrepreneurs, social, political, financial, educational, and on and > on. > . .Maybe your concern is in part a misunderstanding of words. > > Stacee we live in the www.world where anyone can say anything and > have > it cycled and re-cyled to infinity and back. One of the common > sense > rules of the Universe is; if one is leading the pack there are > always > going to be others nipping at their heels. > > The only thing i know for sure about Amma; she is the hands of God > here > on Earth serving the world each day. She has touched my life in > ways i > could never begin to express and there are thousands upon thousands > of > accounts from others of how she has touched and transformed their > lives > for the better. > > May peace be with you Stacee and to each person, whether they bow at > the > front of Amma's feet or whether they see her in a frame they think > merits nips to her heels. We all look through our own unique > individual > periscopes at the ever changing beauty and complexity of the One we > call > Amma as she reveals her sincere benevolence to a world that needs > Her > goodness. > > I shall forever be grateful for Amma and all that serve to make > this > world better. > > Stacee i came across a wonderful website a few weeks back that you > or > others might enjoy. . . It is a treasure chest of film makers and > storytellers that are talking about things that really matter. . . > . > > > Culture Unplugged > http://www.cultureunplugged.com/index.php > <Namaste%20%20Stacee%20it%20might%20be%20beneficial%20to%20do%20a%20defi\ > nition%20search%20on%20the%20word%20and%20concept%20of%20Entrepreneur.%2\ > 0%20The%20definition%20used%20here%20for%20Entrepreneur%20is%20highly%20\ > inadequate%20and%20derogatory;%20> > > Stacee we live in such a changing world, new ways of bringing good > for > others is needed and changing. I hope you can consider the > inaccuracte > definition of the word Entrepreneur. There are many ways and means > of > goodness. > > > Wherever the land is dry and hard you can be the water. . . > > Or you could be the blade disking the earth's green > > Or you could be the auquia, > > the ditch that carries water from river to fields; > > Or you could be the just engineer mapping dams that must be taken > down, > > And those which would serve the venerable all, > > instead of only the very few, > > Or you could be a battered vessel for carrying water by hand; > > Or you could be the one who stores the water, protects it, blesses > it or > pours it; > > Or you could be the tired ground that receives it; > > Or you could be the scorched seed that drinks it; > > Or you could be the vine green-growing overland in all wild > audacity. > > If there is an ancient secret to caring for and mending the > significant > lacerations to this Oh-My-Dear-God-Beautiful Earth we've been > given, > by soul's light it might be just a four word prayer from Creator to > humanity; > > " Please, just start anywhere. " > > . Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estes > > > > > May you know peace. > > > > Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha > marci > ordinary sparrow Ammachi , Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer > wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > This letter was written to Swami Ramakrishna in response to a > thread > about the consultant and AIMS charity funding and an awesome link to > the > SRF Walrus that has many interesting messages from Borg108, and > many > others. It is very worthwhile to read the link about the whole AIMS > incident (see below) as well as how many of Ammachi's non profits > are > being run very poorly or only for profit. And how the ashram is > seen > from the eyes of two other people who have spent time at many other > ashrams in India, which are run for free, and do not ask for any > money > for people to stay in them. Borg108 also mentions that Guru's in > India > are not supposed to ask for donations, especially during pujas, they > are > supposed to wait and allow God to care for their needs. Borg108 was > in > India at this time and partaking in the planetary puja which > required > one to pay and many of the poor Indian's who truly needed the > assistance > of this puja could not afford to be part of this puja. > > Please members on this list send this information and questioning > to > anyone you feel may be able to redirect the way things are being run > at > Amritapuri. If the public is now taking notice to these confusions > and > errors then there is a lack of care and integrity to the degree that > we > cannot turn our backs, we must question. And please, as I have > changed > this letter a bit, can someone on this list see that it is resent > to > Swami Ramakrishna? Many thanks. > > In Peace, > > Stacee > > > > > > Dear Swami Ramakrishna, (RE: New Business vs. Entrepreneur) > > > > > > Many are truly troubled in the West and in India by what they are > seeing at Amritapuri. It is hard to see what others see when you > live a > confined life. We desperately need to be attending to the hungry and > the > poor. If you have any ability at all to share our concerns with > Ammachi > please do so. I wish I could give more and I give as much as I can. > I > would be considered impoverished by what I have and how I live in > the > US. But I do sponsor a poor child from the Dominican Republic > through > Children International. Even if Amma chose to help 1000-2000 of > these > children it would make a huge difference in the world. > > > > There are many that are truly heartbroken to see what has happened > to > Ammachi and her organization many feel she is not using her life > appropriately and in truth. I know this would seem astonishing as > so > many thousands come. > > > > This is in response to the new program Ammachi has implemented at > Amrita University School of Engineering to encourage and groom > venture > capitalists and entrepreneurs. It would be good to see that Ammachi > is > encouraging new businesses that will help the poor and hungry in > India, > rather then these other words which focus on encouraging others to > come > to Amritapuri and work on ways to create wealth and do not seem to > take > into account the need for Ammachi to be focusing on the charity she > so > often asks for during her touring. > > > > Please help us redirect Ammachi and her fame and power to that of > truly serving poverty and hunger in the world. The devotees have > truly > gotten all they will ever need to get from Ammachi as a Master. A > true > Master (Raja Yoga, Sufi) lets go after a maximum of 10 years and > then > allows the disciple to go out in the world and truly serve. As far > as a > Sannyasin I do not know what the alternative would be. > > > > Please help us here, we see things have gone out of control with > Ammachi's organization. We no not want to be disrespectful, but the > world needs so much more, as the hungry and impoverished, and so > much > less of what Ammachi is doing traveling around the world selling > things > and making money. She should not be encouraging people to leave > their > lives and families to travel with her. People are scrambling around > trying to earn money to keep up with touring. Let them serve their > communities and have the freedom to serve other charity's around > the > world that are in need, as we are hearing that Ammachi's charity > drive > is actually taking away opportunity's for many other charities. > > > > In peace (Please see the letter I wrote to the Director of > Connectone > as well below.) > > Stacee > > > > > > > > > > Entrepeneur vs New Business - connectone.in > > > > > > Letter to a Bramachari who is now the Director of Connectone and > a > professor at Amrita School of Engineering. > > > > My brother is well aware of the two men you chose as Amrita > friends- > The Indus Entrepreneurs - One started Exodus, the other Hot-mail. > (Their extreme wealth is very well known). It seems that Amma is > leveraging a bit here. And the slick approach is to use the term > Entrepreneur. Which means wealth for the sake of wealth. We also get > the > picture that Amma is trying to rebuild India with Western funding. > > > > Now even more so to draw Western funding to India. We hope that it > is > to further help the poor in India find better opportunities to live > and > work. Lets hope these young and budding venture capitalists and > entrepreneurs want to help the poor and down trodden as it will do > no > good at all if we create another millionaire that builds a business > and > home for himself and his family. > > > > It seems you have built this website connectone.in out of naivete > and > good intentions. But from a Western perspective, Ammachi has done > this > with her whole empire with charitable donations from the West. We > did > not give her $ to hold onto and transfer into money making > opportunities > but to truly help the poor and offer charity. There is much out > there on > the web were Americans have stayed in India and gone to many of > Ammachi's " charitable " institutions to see how they are run. The > only > charity was the orphanage, and it was run very poorly, and > subsidized by > the government. AIMS is something that is of big debate and several > have > approached Ammachi about the false claims of 50% charitable offering > to > the poor. > > > > Did you know that all other ashrams in India run for free? And > that if > one wishes to visit they are not asked for any money and can offer > a > love donation before they leave if they wish. > > > > http://srfwalrus. yuku.com/ forum/viewtopic/ id/1332 > > > > Check out this discussion with Borg108 and several others on this > list > that speak about these things openly including a Swami that left > Ammachi's organization becauuse of false claims. Borg108 was also > approached by a woman from India saying that Amma was asking " all > children without fathers to get back on the tour bus, but what she > had > really said, as Borg108 explains, that " all you bastards get back on > the > bus. " It seems Ammachi has taught you all to remain silent with the > outside. Discussion from peers and heart to heart talk and criticism > is > important. We need to question all that is happening to our lives > and in > the world not just blindly follow and agree. > > > > Remember, that you are leaning on Ammachi's name and power, not > your > own talent. Which in the outside world does not usually happen we > must > depend on our own merits and work hard to serve others. My wish is > that > Amma would have given much more of her fortune over the years to > other > countries in poverty. I feel the same way about the wealthy stars > here > in the US who have hundreds of millions of dollars. We need to > eradicate > hunger around the world not build more schools and Universities in > a > country (Ammachi's schools - something like 52 tuition based) that > has > them for free by the Government. > > > > Can you encourage any of the potential financial gain that Amrita > will > make during these alliances be used for the hungry and poor? > > > > (Personal note this has been shocking and sad information for me > to > learn about after the past four months. After being a devotee myself > and > quite in love with this saint and her beautiful community. I feel > though > that the truth will out. If this is at all an interest to you, you > can > begin your research too and learn of these things this information > is > all on the Internet, shared by devotees and renunciates that have > been > hurt and mislead and are trying to come to terms with their > experiences. > Please forgive me if I have saddened, hurt or offended anyone. I am > also > trying to heal from many wounds during my time with Ammachi. In > Peace > and Love and In Christ's name, Stacee) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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