Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Dear temba ~ truly dear one, you have done nothing wrong, IMHO. It seems sad to pour rain on your gift, which is so large and represents the best we all have to offer. I eat meat only occasionally, but that is more due to my medical condition. I eat cheese and yoghurt every day, and for some, even this would be too much. Protein is critical to so many functions of the body, and particularly to the growing children. Meat is high concentrate protein. Without yours and others efforts, these people could very well be starving. Who would take the food from their mouths. Jai Ma ~ Linda temba wrote: i tried my best to bring Organic turkeys.they were to exspensive.i tried my best to get the Ayurvedic vegitarian food from the university but they would not give it to us.people are starving on this reservation .should they not eat because they dont have access to other food? please forgive us. **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Not only that, but the Lakota traditionally eat meat and so do lots of other Native people. In the northern part of North America, people would not have survived without it, since agriculture wasn't possible in the tundra, for example. Or for that matter, Tibet, where the Buddhists were/are not vegetarians. Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 <moderator's note> This group is not a forum for debating the merits of vegetarianism or for vegetarians and hard-core vegans to claim the moral high ground. Even Amma ate fish at one time (brought to her by birds and dogs while she spent much time doing intense sadhana on the beaches of Kerala). </moderator's note> There is no sin in an initial effort of any kind when your intentions are good and you're doing the best you can. But Mother's Kitchen's rule is that only vegetarian dishes be served. Perhaps you're claiming not to be under that mandate and are granted special status? It's still a rule, however much people don't like it, and it does help keep costs down. While the heat generated by eating meat will help keep one warm faster it also invokes anger and passion more quickly too. The turkeys were fine this time, but people in other cities will start to complain if you're the only one allowed to serve others meat, that the american indians are being given a special status over the regular joes and janes of needy america, because I'm sure they'd like meat too. Learn to cook then you won't have an excuse. Tofu is a good source of protein and very cheap if you buy it in the Asian markets in the large containers. Ammachi , nierika wrote: > > Dear temba ~ truly dear one, you have done nothing wrong, IMHO. It seems sad > to pour rain on your gift, which is so large and represents the best we all > have to offer. I eat meat only occasionally, but that is more due to my > medical condition. I eat cheese and yoghurt every day, and for some, even this > would be too much. Protein is critical to so many functions of the body, and > particularly to the growing children. Meat is high concentrate protein. Without > yours and others efforts, these people could very well be starving. Who would > take the food from their mouths. Jai Ma ~ Linda > > > temba wrote: > > i tried my best to bring Organic turkeys.they were to exspensive.i tried my > best to get the Ayurvedic vegitarian food from the university but they would > not give it to us.people are starving on this reservation .should they not > eat because they dont have access to other food? > > please forgive us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 Lentil is protein rich. They call in local language " Daal " . In India, they serve Daal every day and it is the first item in the dish. Indian Grocery shop owner In USA can guide in this. Oum Namah Shivayah! --- On Thu, 12/25/08, bluepearllight <bluepearllight wrote: bluepearllight <bluepearllight Re: to temba about feeding the body and soul Ammachi Thursday, December 25, 2008, 8:21 PM <moderator's note> This group is not a forum for debating the merits of vegetarianism or for vegetarians and hard-core vegans to claim the moral high ground. Even Amma ate fish at one time (brought to her by birds and dogs while she spent much time doing intense sadhana on the beaches of Kerala). </moderator' s note> There is no sin in an initial effort of any kind when your intentions are good and you're doing the best you can. But Mother's Kitchen's rule is that only vegetarian dishes be served. Perhaps you're claiming not to be under that mandate and are granted special status? It's still a rule, however much people don't like it, and it does help keep costs down. While the heat generated by eating meat will help keep one warm faster it also invokes anger and passion more quickly too. The turkeys were fine this time, but people in other cities will start to complain if you're the only one allowed to serve others meat, that the american indians are being given a special status over the regular joes and janes of needy america, because I'm sure they'd like meat too. Learn to cook then you won't have an excuse. Tofu is a good source of protein and very cheap if you buy it in the Asian markets in the large containers. Ammachi@ .com, nierika wrote: > > Dear temba ~ truly dear one, you have done nothing wrong, IMHO. It seems sad > to pour rain on your gift, which is so large and represents the best we all > have to offer. I eat meat only occasionally, but that is more due to my > medical condition. I eat cheese and yoghurt every day, and for some, even this > would be too much. Protein is critical to so many functions of the body, and > particularly to the growing children. Meat is high concentrate protein. Without > yours and others efforts, these people could very well be starving. Who would > take the food from their mouths. Jai Ma ~ Linda > > > temba wrote: > > i tried my best to bring Organic turkeys.they were to exspensive.i tried my > best to get the Ayurvedic vegitarian food from the university but they would > not give it to us.people are starving on this reservation .should they not > eat because they dont have access to other food? > > please forgive us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 Thank you moderator for prefacing my posting with your own comments and ignoring the instructions given to Mother's Kitchen volunteers. It's not listed on Amma.org but there are specific guidelines that AMMA HERSELF asked that the food be VEGETARIAN. Sure, people have complained, and yet others have taken an even more extreme view and say " vegetarian " means not even eggs, trying to push people towards veganism. Anyone who's actually participated in a Mother's Kitchen for some time would know this to be true. Even though some groups may not follow the rules out of ignorance, like purchasing food rather than making it themselves, it doesn't mean you can ignore the rules. I would like to hear swamiji's comments on the turkeys, because otherwise it means we can all cast aside AMMA'S WORDS whenever we feel like it. Ammachi , " bluepearllight " <bluepearllight wrote: > > <moderator's note> > This group is not a forum for debating the merits of vegetarianism or for vegetarians and hard-core vegans to claim the moral high ground. Even Amma ate fish at one time (brought to her by birds and dogs while she spent much time doing intense sadhana on the beaches of Kerala). > > </moderator's note> > > There is no sin in an initial effort of any kind when your intentions > are good and you're doing the best you can. But Mother's Kitchen's > rule is that only vegetarian dishes be served. Perhaps you're > claiming not to be under that mandate and are granted special status? > It's still a rule, however much people don't like it, and it does > help keep costs down. While the heat generated by eating meat will > help keep one warm faster it also invokes anger and passion more > quickly too. > > The turkeys were fine this time, but people in other cities will start > to complain if you're the only one allowed to serve others meat, that > the american indians are being given a special status over the regular > joes and janes of needy america, because I'm sure they'd like meat too. > > Learn to cook then you won't have an excuse. Tofu is a good source of > protein and very cheap if you buy it in the Asian markets in the large > containers. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 dear beloved,we cannot push our views down others throat's.whatver we do we should do it with the intention of love.open your heart beloved.poor people in the city's of the U.S cannot even afford to go to places like Whole Foods supermarket.should they not eat because they cannot afford organic food. instead of people debating this stuff ,why not join forces and bring healthier choices to less fortunate people.is that not a do-able solution?you are all entitled to your views,just as people are entitled to eat meat,fish,or vegitables. and beloved ,we just returned this morning from Pine Ridge and it was not about the turkey's.we went to visit AMMA in the form of HER Lakota children.i will post pictures soon.love you.... Ammachi: bluepearllight: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 18:07:09 +0000 Re: to temba about feeding the body and soul Thank you moderator for prefacing my posting with yourown comments and ignoring the instructions given toMother's Kitchen volunteers. It's not listed onAmma.org but there are specific guidelines that AMMA HERSELFasked that the food be VEGETARIAN. Sure, people havecomplained, and yet others have taken an even more extremeview and say " vegetarian " means not even eggs, tryingto push people towards veganism.Anyone who's actually participated in a Mother's Kitchen forsome time would know this to be true. Even though some groupsmay not follow the rules out of ignorance, like purchasing foodrather than making it themselves, it doesn't mean you can ignore therules. I would like to hear swamiji's comments on the turkeys,because otherwise it means we can all cast aside AMMA'S WORDS wheneverwe feel like it.Ammachi , " bluepearllight " <bluepearllightwrote:>> <moderator's note>> This group is not a forum for debating the merits of vegetarianismor for vegetarians and hard-core vegans to claim the moral highground. Even Amma ate fish at one time (brought to her by birds anddogs while she spent much time doing intense sadhana on the beaches ofKerala).> > </moderator's note>> > There is no sin in an initial effort of any kind when your intentions> are good and you're doing the best you can. But Mother's Kitchen's> rule is that only vegetarian dishes be served. Perhaps you're> claiming not to be under that mandate and are granted special status?> It's still a rule, however much people don't like it, and it does> help keep costs down. While the heat generated by eating meat will> help keep one warm faster it also invokes anger and passion more> quickly too.> > The turkeys were fine this time, but people in other cities will start> to complain if you're the only one allowed to serve others meat, that> the american indians are being given a special status over the regular> joes and janes of needy america, because I'm sure they'd like meat too.> > Learn to cook then you won't have an excuse. Tofu is a good source of> protein and very cheap if you buy it in the Asian markets in the large> containers.> _______________ It’s the same Hotmail®. If by “same” you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_12200\ 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 dear beloved linda,we just returned this morning and what a joy it was to spend Christmas with AMMAs Lakota children.they were so grateful.grateful that a group of people would deny themselves spending christmas with their family's and come spend it with them.this is an experience that 'turkey " debates cannot touch.AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA................ and as far as people's opinion's.there will always be someone to try to say something disagreeable.we learn from everyone and everything.it is the ebb and flow of life.love you beloved linda. Ammachi: bluepearllight: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 14:51:04 +0000 Re: to temba about feeding the body and soul <moderator's note>This group is not a forum for debating the merits of vegetarianism or for vegetarians and hard-core vegans to claim the moral high ground. Even Amma ate fish at one time (brought to her by birds and dogs while she spent much time doing intense sadhana on the beaches of Kerala).</moderator's note>There is no sin in an initial effort of any kind when your intentionsare good and you're doing the best you can. But Mother's Kitchen'srule is that only vegetarian dishes be served. Perhaps you'reclaiming not to be under that mandate and are granted special status?It's still a rule, however much people don't like it, and it doeshelp keep costs down. While the heat generated by eating meat willhelp keep one warm faster it also invokes anger and passion morequickly too.The turkeys were fine this time, but people in other cities will startto complain if you're the only one allowed to serve others meat, thatthe american indians are being given a special status over the regularjoes and janes of needy america, because I'm sure they'd like meat too.Learn to cook then you won't have an excuse. Tofu is a good source ofprotein and very cheap if you buy it in the Asian markets in the largecontainers.--- In Ammachi , nierika wrote:>> Dear temba ~ truly dear one, you have done nothing wrong, IMHO. Itseems sad > to pour rain on your gift, which is so large and represents the bestwe all > have to offer. I eat meat only occasionally, but that is more due to my > medical condition. I eat cheese and yoghurt every day, and forsome, even this > would be too much. Protein is critical to so many functions of thebody, and > particularly to the growing children. Meat is high concentrateprotein. Without > yours and others efforts, these people could very well be starving.Who would > take the food from their mouths. Jai Ma ~ Linda> > > temba wrote:> > i tried my best to bring Organic turkeys.they were to exspensive.itried my > best to get the Ayurvedic vegitarian food from the university butthey would > not give it to us.people are starving on this reservation .shouldthey not > eat because they dont have access to other food?> > please forgive us. _______________ It’s the same Hotmail®. If by “same” you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_12200\ 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 I'm glad you made it through, the storms did not stop you. Bless your work Temba! Max >we just returned this morning and what a joy it was to spend >Christmas with AMMAs Lakota children. -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives http://www.suppressedhistories.net New: Women's Power DVD http://www.suppressedhistories.net/womenspowerdvd.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 <moderator's note> This group is not a forum to advocate vegetarianism or veganism or to attack those who choose to eat meat. I may be wrong, but as far as I can determine, Temba is doing this seva of feeding the Native tribes on his own initiative, not as an official representative of the MA Center. </moderator's note> Ammachi , temba spirits <tembaspirits wrote: >> dear beloved,we cannot push our views down others throat's.whatver we do we should do it with the intention of love.open your heart beloved.poor people in the city's of the U.S cannot even afford to go to places like Whole Foods supermarket.should they not eat because they cannot afford organic food. PLEASE UNDERSTAND, dear Temba-ji, I'm NOT disagreeing with your views above. I feel the same way, that many who are able to shop at Whole Foods and similar places for organic food have a certain level of income to do so (or devote a good portion of their life to the physical body). And that it's not exactly polite to preach and feed at the same time which christian charities can sometimes do, or are accused of doing at times. But the issue here is that your seva is a swamiji-authorized endeavor, where he has allowed you to raise funds to feed needy persons in Amma's name. If you're being given the freedom to serve meat, then the other regular citizens of this world and their sevites should be given the same freedom. While the vegetarian food has been generally well-received in Mother's Kitchen places, there have been complaints about the lack of meat being served. Your " Lakota children " would also be complaining if you showed up meatless. Learning to make and maybe even teach healthy cooking involving cheaper substitutes like the east-indian daal (lentils) would help everyone involved. Particularly filling is daal channa, the halved kind not the covered whole, but it needs to be soaked and cooked longer than the more popular masood (orange but turns yellow during cooking). Channa dal is supposedly good for diabetic conditions: http://www.mendosa.com/chanadal.html BPL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 My mistake, I thought his involvement with that group was something he had asked swamiji for permission to ask for donations for, but maybe I " m thinking of his bus trip about the earth houses. Not necessarily an official branch of seva, but I thought it was ashram-authorized to ask for funds for his involvement with the american indians. And my postings have not been to attack meat-eaters as I myself am a meat-eater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 >>Why do you people here object to your own guru's wishes?<< Shri BPL ( Moti ji ) Does Amma advocate to eat flesh of other species or does Amma say,be a vegetarian?I am trying to be Amma Bhakth,but obviously making a huge mess,with little knowledge.Plz explain. Shri Amma Sharanam Mama !! Shri Hari Sharanam Mama !! Om Na Ma Si Va Ya !! sb Ammachi , " bluepearllight " <bluepearllight wrote: > > My mistake, I thought his involvement with that group was something he > had asked swamiji for permission to ask for donations for, but maybe I " m > thinking of his bus trip about the earth houses. Not necessarily an > official branch of seva, but I thought it was ashram-authorized to ask > for funds for his involvement with the american indians. > > And my postings have not been to attack meat-eaters as I myself am a > meat-eater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 --- > Does Amma advocate to eat flesh of other species or does Amma say,be > a vegetarian?I am trying to be Amma Bhakth,but obviously making a > huge mess,with little knowledge.Plz explain. Generally she promotes vegetarianism. That's why they don't serve meat at the darshan programs or the ashrams. True, she ate non-veg when she had to during the sadhana years. And during the earliest days the crowds that came were mostly local villagers, who would bring dishes with fish in them, so of course she ate what was offered. But that changed over time. There are a few stories of where devotees refused prasad that contained fish and suffered as a result, to teach them a lesson about prasad. Even Swami Ramakrishna experienced it due to his strict adherence to vegetarianism. There are no absolutes. In one of the books, a devotee complained about the non-meat menus, having stayed at the ashram for a month or so. But when he returned home and ate some meat, he said within a very short time he had a strong desire to have sex. Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is also quoted as saying that as long as the " warrior spirit " in man remains, then he'll always be attracted to eating meat. Amma says that at a certain point in sadhana your mind will no longer be affected by eating non-veg, but that you should still eat non-meat as an example to others. I've seen some devotees push veganism and indians claim that vegetarianism means " no eggs " . Without eggs you can't bake a cake or cookies, and some other foods, so I think one has to be reasonable and not force such strict observance on the public they serve. My main point with Temba's seva is that if he's going to be providing food on a regular basis, and talk alot about Amma to them, claim he's inspired by Amma, etc., then he should follow her guidance about the same. When Mother's Kitchen was started, it was Amma's Wishes that only vegetarian or non-meat dishes be served. Amma might approve of an annual xmas turkey meal, but I don't think she'd be happy with regular food service including meat. She would also tell you that the money for meat would go further on veggies and staples, providing more food in the long run for the needy. If Temba is claiming that Amma is inspiring this work and is getting swamiji's approval to ask devotees for donations, then it may very well fall under the liabilities of the ashram. Devotees who start a Mother's Kitchen are supposed to contact the ashram so that guidelines are passed along. Why? Because some people don't have experience with food-service and may need training to prevent food-poisoning and contamination. The ashram would be financially liable for any instances of food poisoning. There have been cases in the past. And simply " donating " food with meat, instead of directly serving it, to get around Amma's Wishes is a sorry way to act, IMHO. Ask swamiji to comment and he'll say the same. BPL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Aum Namaha Shivaya, Please read previous posts. It is not an MA program nor approved by any Swami. And I do not think Temba is " trying to get around " anything by donating the food. This posting fills me with great sorrow. You do not know Temba at all and why can't you stop? Very tiring to keep reading this stuff. thanks, Adriane > If Temba is claiming that Amma is inspiring this work and is getting > swamiji's approval to ask devotees for donations, then it may very well > fall under the liabilities of the ashram. Devotees who start a > Mother's Kitchen are supposed to contact the ashram so that guidelines > are passed along. Why? Because some people don't have experience with > food-service and may need training to prevent food-poisoning and > contamination. The ashram would be financially liable for any instances > of food poisoning. There have been cases in the past. And simply > " donating " food with meat, instead of directly serving it, to get around > Amma's Wishes is a sorry way to act, IMHO. Ask swamiji to comment > and he'll say the same. > > BPL > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Aum Namah Shivayah, No one questioned Temba about taking food to Natives.. No doubt, it is noble deed. In fact in Sanathana Dharma.. it says Anna Daanam ( donation of food) is the best. Based on the need and availability, one can meet. What I said earlier and may be others is, we as individuals should 'transform' and improve our daily life. For example, I drink daily and one of the devotees advised me to stop it. Then I shouldn't get enraged about. If I do, then I am an spiritually ignorant person. Oum Namah Shivayah! --- On Sat, 12/27/08, n2amma <a1driane wrote: n2amma <a1driane Re: to temba about feeding the body and soul Ammachi Saturday, December 27, 2008, 10:57 PM Aum Namaha Shivaya, Please read previous posts. It is not an MA program nor approved by any Swami. And I do not think Temba is " trying to get around " anything by donating the food. This posting fills me with great sorrow. You do not know Temba at all and why can't you stop? Very tiring to keep reading this stuff. thanks, Adriane > If Temba is claiming that Amma is inspiring this work and is getting > swamiji's approval to ask devotees for donations, then it may very well > fall under the liabilities of the ashram. Devotees who start a > Mother's Kitchen are supposed to contact the ashram so that guidelines > are passed along. Why? Because some people don't have experience with > food-service and may need training to prevent food-poisoning and > contamination. The ashram would be financially liable for any instances > of food poisoning. There have been cases in the past. And simply > " donating " food with meat, instead of directly serving it, to get around > Amma's Wishes is a sorry way to act, IMHO. Ask swamiji to comment > and he'll say the same. > > BPL > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Ammachi , " bluepearllight " <bluepearllight wrote: >.... And simply > " donating " food with meat, instead of directly serving it, > to get around > Amma's Wishes is a sorry way to act, IMHO. Ask swamiji to comment > and he'll say the same. > > BPL > > >>> Namaste BPL, what you said until the last sentence above, was reasonable; and it would have been even more reasonable if you said that earlier instead of saying temba is doing something wrong according to your POV. but the solution to your objection is obvious: temba has his hands full hauling all that sand to build the earth homes, clothes and other items. so, why don't you, with all your knowledge, pitch in and get the right food, haul it to the reservation, meet temba there and show him and the indians how to cook etc. easy, eh? please don't interpret this as an imposition on you; this is simply a measured response to your criticism of temba; i feel you could have made the same suggestion in a more reasonable way. whenever someone suggests something to Amma, there is a good chance Amma will put them in charge of it; and them it's up to them. but, there may be other considerations. Amma Herself said that the type of food we eat may be determined my climatic and geographical considerations and, not sure she included the following: cultural/religious considerations and of course poverty considerations. also, personally, I have a question about doing Seva in " Amma's name " ? it may not always be appropriate. in a city, you may want to give a sandwich, hat, scarf and gloves to a homeless person and keep quiet. Amma says if you do every action without any selfishness then God will rush into your heart and no other spiritual practices are needed. but, how many of us are able to do that? maybe Temba is getting close and I respect him for that. notice that Amma didn't say every action performed " perfectly " but performed " without any selfishness " that's my 2cents on this. " one way for all is dangerous " ~ Amma Amma Bless, amarnath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 <moderator's note> Use of all caps is considered poor netiquette. There's no need to shout. This thread is dead. Killed. Defunct. No more postings about how awful it was for Temba to serve non-vegetarian food. Stop. Now. Take it off-list or to the Ammachi Free Speech Zone. </moderator's note> < > but the solution to your objection is obvious: > temba has his hands full hauling all that sand to build the earth > homes, clothes and other items. so, why don't you, with all your > knowledge, pitch in and get the right food, haul it to the > reservation, meet temba there and show him and the indians how to > cook etc. easy, eh? THE PREVAILING ATTITUDE IS DEFENSE OF TEMBA'S ACTIONS AND THERE HAS NOT BEEN A SINGLE COMMENT ABOUT BEING OPEN TO LEARNING TO COOK OR EVEN FOLLOW AMMA'S WISHES IN SERVING THE POOR FOOD. AMMA HAS SAID THAT " ACTION WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE WILL NOT BE RIGHT ACTION " . I'M POOR MYSELF AND CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE THE HOUSE AND KITCHEN TO PROPERLY TRAIN TEMBA. WITH ALL OF AMMA'S RICHER DEVOTEES, SURELY THERE ARE ONES BETTER QUALIFIED TO BE TEMBA'S TUTOR? BUT THERE MUST BE " THAT " KIND OF EFFORT " BY " TEMBA. EVEN SWI. KRISHNA IGNORED AMMA'S TEACHING ABOUT NOT GIVING MONEY TO ASHRAM VISITORS WHO BEGGED. BUT AMMA CHIDED HER ABOUT IT, KNOWING THAT SWI. KRISHNA DIDN'T HAVE THE DISCRIMINATION TO KNOW WHO TRULY NEEDED THE MONEY. > please don't interpret this as an imposition on you; this is simply a > measured response to your criticism of temba; i feel you could have > made the same suggestion in a more reasonable way. FROM THE BEGINNING I'VE ASKED TEMBA TO SEEK SWAMIJI'S GUIDANCE ON THE SERVING MEAT ISSUE. IT'S EASY TO STICK ONE'S HEAD IN THE SAND AND HOPE NO ONE NOTICES WHAT YOU'RE DOING. DON'T INSIST ON THE TASTE THAT GRACE SHOULD HAVE, AMARNATH. > whenever someone suggests something to Amma, there is a good chance > Amma will put them in charge of it; and then it's up to them. PUT THESE ON A BUSINESS CARD AND HAND IT OUT TO COMPLAINERS. THEY'LL HAVE A GOOD LAUGH, BUT THEY'LL APPRECIATE BEING SERVED NOTICE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 dear beloved siblings,this child did not mention AMMA one time to the native people.i did not want them to feel like this was some type of religious conversation thing.we went to visit AMMA and to serve AMMA in the form of native's.the people that show an openess like Cheif Arvol Looking Horse and his beloved wife ,i have talked to about AMMA to. the native's understand the Cheif thing.AMMA is my spiritual guide and Cheif.everything this child does will be in honor of my guru,but SHE has taught me not to push it religiously. sadly so,most of the comments that are being made are being made from the intellect and not the heart.from the the philosophy and not the experience.people are speaking for AMMA and swami's.so temba trust the AMMA within him.what is the difference,can SHE not guide us from within? what this child does is between his heart and HER.this is my perfect faith.no comment can taint this intimacy that has grown so close in this heart.when i fall,it is HER not any of these comments that picks me up. dont you all know that the more you knock AMMAs servants,the more GRACE AMMA will provide for them.AMMAs sun has learned from all of it and all of you. you are all AMMAs beloved children.i cannot knock,or judge and one of you.you are all so beautiful...please forgive me for causing anyone any harm.i love u Ammachi: anatol_zinc: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:34:51 +0000 Re: to temba about feeding the body and soul Ammachi , " bluepearllight " <bluepearllightwrote:>.... And simply> " donating " food with meat, instead of directly serving it,> to get around> Amma's Wishes is a sorry way to act, IMHO. Ask swamiji to comment> and he'll say the same.> > BPL> > >>>Namaste BPL,what you said until the last sentence above, was reasonable;and it would have been even more reasonable if you said that earlierinstead of saying temba is doing something wrong according to your POV.but the solution to your objection is obvious:temba has his hands full hauling all that sand to build the earthhomes, clothes and other items. so, why don't you, with all yourknowledge, pitch in and get the right food, haul it to thereservation, meet temba there and show him and the indians how to cooketc. easy, eh?please don't interpret this as an imposition on you; this is simply ameasured response to your criticism of temba; i feel you could havemade the same suggestion in a more reasonable way.whenever someone suggests something to Amma, there is a good chanceAmma will put them in charge of it; and them it's up to them.but, there may be other considerations. Amma Herself said that thetype of food we eat may be determined my climatic and geographicalconsiderations and, not sure she included the following:cultural/religious considerations and of course poverty considerations.also, personally, I have a question about doing Seva in " Amma's name " ?it may not always be appropriate. in a city, you may want to give asandwich, hat, scarf and gloves to a homeless person and keep quiet. Amma says if you do every action without any selfishness then God willrush into your heart and no other spiritual practices are needed. but,how many of us are able to do that? maybe Temba is getting close and Irespect him for that. notice that Amma didn't say every actionperformed " perfectly " but performed " without any selfishness " that's my 2cents on this. " one way for all is dangerous " ~ AmmaAmma Bless,amarnath _______________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 and also beloved family,temba never told anyone that this was a MA center service.i have intitiated succesful services that are official MA CENTER services now and very successful.all by way of HER grace.and beloved,not one dime to do this current service came from the MA center,nor AMMA devotees.AMMA is not limited to any orginization.no MASTER is. i never start by asking for approval,i just follow my heart.AMMA gave me HER personal permission via e-mail for the MA center to sponsor the trip we did for the Lakota's in september in honor of HER birthday.i received two e-mails from india about this. prior to this ,SHE had already given us the money via,other none MA center sources.why should i care where the resources to serve HER children come from.it is all by way of HER GRACE.is SHE not omnipresent? when AMMA first started loving and serving the poor,there was no organization.the orginzation is HER will being done as well.it is beautuful,but i am not willing to wait for any approvals from anyone if i know i can LOVE and serve those that are in need right now. AMMA says that the sun just shines.it is its nature.when your heart calls you to love and serve that is GODS approval.everything else will fall in line,if we would but just have faith in ourselves as HER children .love you. Ammachi: ksvas97: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:26:29 -0800Re: Re: to temba about feeding the body and soul Aum Namah Shivayah, No one questioned Temba about taking food to Natives..No doubt, it is noble deed. In fact in Sanathana Dharma.. it says Anna Daanam ( donation of food) is the best.Based on the need and availability, one can meet. What I said earlier and may be others is, we as individuals should 'transform' and improve our daily life. For example, I drink daily and one of the devotees advised me to stop it.Then I shouldn't get enraged about. If I do, then I am an spiritually ignorant person. Oum Namah Shivayah! --- On Sat, 12/27/08, n2amma <a1driane wrote:n2amma <a1driane Re: to temba about feeding the body and soulAmmachi: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 10:57 PMAum Namaha Shivaya,Please read previous posts. It is not an MA program nor approved byany Swami. And I do not think Temba is " trying to get around " anythingby donating the food. This posting fills me with great sorrow. You donot know Temba at all and why can't you stop? Very tiring to keepreading this stuff. thanks,Adriane> If Temba is claiming that Amma is inspiring this work and is getting> swamiji's approval to ask devotees for donations, then it may very well> fall under the liabilities of the ashram. Devotees who start a> Mother's Kitchen are supposed to contact the ashram so that guidelines> are passed along. Why? Because some people don't have experience with> food-service and may need training to prevent food-poisoning and> contamination. The ashram would be financially liable for any instances> of food poisoning. There have been cases in the past. And simply> " donating " food with meat, instead of directly serving it, to get around> Amma's Wishes is a sorry way to act, IMHO. Ask swamiji to comment> and he'll say the same.> > BPL> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Namaste Yes. . .Yes. . .Yes. . .The Amma wisdom in you burns strong. . . The history of Native Americans is tragic in how religion was forced on them by the conquers. . . .May all be blessed by the Amma light that is shines from Her heart through you. . .once again Temba this rah rah is not about you or your service. . .Just another example that dark is drawn to dance with the light. . .You have strong heart and strong toes. . .With Amma's grace dance on. . . Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha marci On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 4:04 PM, temba spirits <tembaspiritswrote: > > and also beloved family,temba never told anyone that this was a MA center > service.i have intitiated succesful services that are official MA CENTER > services now and very successful.all by way of HER grace.and beloved,not one > dime to do this current service came from the MA center,nor AMMA > devotees.AMMA is not limited to any orginization.no MASTER is. > > i never start by asking for approval,i just follow my heart.AMMA gave me > HER personal permission via e-mail for the MA center to sponsor the trip we > did for the Lakota's in september in honor of HER birthday.i received two > e-mails from india about this. > > prior to this ,SHE had already given us the money via,other none MA center > sources.why should i care where the resources to serve HER children come > from.it is all by way of HER GRACE.is SHE not omnipresent? > > when AMMA first started loving and serving the poor,there was no > organization.the orginzation is HER will being done as well.it is > beautuful,but i am not willing to wait for any approvals from anyone if i > know i can LOVE and serve those that are in need right now. > > AMMA says that the sun just shines.it is its nature.when your heart > calls you to love and serve that is GODS approval.everything else will fall > in line,if we would but just have faith in ourselves as HER children .love > you. > > > > > > Ammachi: ksvas97: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 > 11:26:29 -0800Re: Re: to temba about feeding the body and > soul > > > > Aum Namah Shivayah, No one questioned Temba about taking food to > Natives..No doubt, it is noble deed. In fact in Sanathana Dharma.. it says > Anna Daanam ( donation of food) is the best.Based on the need and > availability, one can meet. What I said earlier and may be others is, we as > individuals should 'transform' and improve our daily life. For example, I > drink daily and one of the devotees advised me to stop it.Then I shouldn't > get enraged about. If I do, then I am an spiritually ignorant person. Oum > Namah Shivayah! --- On Sat, 12/27/08, n2amma <a1driane > wrote:n2amma <a1driane Re: to temba > about feeding the body and soulAmmachi: Saturday, > December 27, 2008, 10:57 PMAum Namaha Shivaya,Please read previous posts. It > is not an MA program nor approved byany Swami. And I do not think Temba is > " trying to get around " anythingby donating the food. This posting fills me > with great sorrow. You donot know Temba at all and why can't you stop? Very > tiring to keepreading this stuff. thanks,Adriane> If Temba is claiming that > Amma is inspiring this work and is getting> swamiji's approval to ask > devotees for donations, then it may very well> fall under the liabilities of > the ashram. Devotees who start a> Mother's Kitchen are supposed to contact > the ashram so that guidelines> are passed along. Why? Because some people > don't have experience with> food-service and may need training to prevent > food-poisoning and> contamination. The ashram would be financially liable > for any instances> of food poisoning. There have been cases in the past. And > simply> " donating " food with meat, instead of directly serving it, to get > around> Amma's Wishes is a sorry way to act, IMHO. Ask swamiji to comment> > and he'll say the same.> > BPL> > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have been removed]>individua[Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > _______________ > It's the same Hotmail®. If by " same " you mean up to 70% faster. > > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_12200\ 8 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 dear beloved,i am a child who has suffered tremendously like a lot of you.i am not an official anything.just a wretch saved by HER grace,blessed to serve those like me. Ammachi: bluepearllight: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 02:44:47 +0000 Re: to temba about feeding the body and soul <moderator's note>This group is not a forum to advocate vegetarianism or veganism or to attack those who choose to eat meat. I may be wrong, but as far as I can determine, Temba is doing this seva of feeding the Native tribes on his own initiative, not as an official representative of the MA Center.</moderator's note>Ammachi , temba spirits <tembaspirits wrote:>> dear beloved,we cannot push our views down others throat's.whatverwe do we should do it with the intention of love.open your heartbeloved.poor people in the city's of the U.S cannot even afford to go toplaces like Whole Foods supermarket.should they not eat because theycannot afford organic food.PLEASE UNDERSTAND, dear Temba-ji, I'm NOT disagreeing with your viewsabove. I feel the same way, that many who are able to shop at WholeFoods and similar places for organic food have a certain level of incometo do so (or devote a good portion of their life to the physical body). And that it's not exactly polite to preach and feed at the same timewhich christian charities can sometimes do, or are accused of doing attimes.But the issue here is that your seva is a swamiji-authorized endeavor,where he has allowed you to raise funds to feed needy persons in Amma'sname. If you're being given the freedom to serve meat, then the otherregular citizens of this world and their sevites should be given thesame freedom. While the vegetarian food has been generallywell-received in Mother's Kitchen places, there have been complaintsabout the lack of meat being served. Your " Lakota children " wouldalso be complaining if you showed up meatless.Learning to make and maybe even teach healthy cooking involving cheapersubstitutes like the east-indian daal (lentils) would help everyoneinvolved. Particularly filling is daal channa, the halved kind not thecovered whole, but it needs to be soaked and cooked longer than the morepopular masood (orange but turns yellow during cooking).Channa dal is supposedly good for diabetic conditions:http://www.mendosa.com/chanadal.htmlBPL[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _______________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 will post photos today beloved max Ammachi: maxdashu: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:04:09 -0800RE: Re: to temba about feeding the body and soul I'm glad you made it through, the storms did not stop you. Bless your work Temba!Max>we just returned this morning and what a joy it was to spend >Christmas with AMMAs Lakota children.-- Max DashuSuppressed Histories Archiveshttp://www.suppressedhistories.netNew: Women's Power DVDhttp://www.suppressedhistories.net/womenspowerdvd.html _______________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_12\ 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 if we get hurt by people's comments and words, that will just make us go running to AMMAs arms for comfort. this to is a blessing.it is all designed to make us realize that nothing ,but GOD can save us.we will all let each other down at some point.it is set up that way so that we stop looking for something outside of us to fix us.GOD(AMMA) is the only refuge. the only true success is in realizing this.some are afraid to start seva project's without permission,but it was AMMA alone that has come to me and to you when my(your) heart was empty and i was all alone in a chained box.it was not anyone's opinion that freed my heart.it was no one's organization.it was no one's institution.IT WAS AMMA alone. my heart goes out to the people who will not budge unless the org. says they can.who can give you the approval to love another life ? before the MA center's former lawyer steve left his body ,we had a very informative yet simple conversation.he said temba,'no one can tell you not to serve,just don't do it in the " name " of the MA center unless it has been approved. he said that this was a legal issue and not a hearts issue.i am someone who has kept this very simple.it is others that complicate it and think they can get in trouble in loving another life. don't raise money in the name of the MA center and dont do anything in the name of the MA center unless it has been approved,but please do not use that as an excuse to do nothing. if you follow your heart,i guarantee you that all the support and grace will come.i have never lacked anything in serving our AMMA.SHE always takes care of everything.does SHE not come when we call?who will come when SHE calls.it is AMMA that calls our hearts to serve.who will listen . when i dont listen the voice gets stronger and stronger until i am swepted away.when i look back,all i know is that things have happened and i had little ,or nothing to do with it.how can this be explained.people say " good job temba " .some say " no turkeys. " no one really understands that none of this is mine. this sounds like philosophy until it becomes your experience.AMMA is turning things upside down and SHE is shaking some things up.just look a little closer and you will see this very clearly.AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA........\ ........... Ammachi: sureshbalaraman: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:36:27 +0000 Re: to temba about feeding the body and soul >>what this child does is between his heart and HER.this is my perfect faith.no comment can taint this intimacy that has grown so close in this heart.when i fall,it is HER not any of these comments that picks me up.<<Temba Spirit,What soul satisfying answere.I think i am going to cry.Shri Amma Sharanam Mama !!sbAmmachi , temba spirits <tembaspirits wrote:>> > dear beloved siblings,this child did not mention AMMA one time to the native people.i did not want them to feel like this was some type of religious conversation thing.we went to visit AMMA and to serve AMMA in the form of native's.the people that show an openess like Cheif Arvol Looking Horse and his beloved wife ,i have talked to about AMMA to.> > the native's understand the Cheif thing.AMMA is my spiritual guide and Cheif.everything this child does will be in honor of my guru,but SHE has taught me not to push it religiously.> > sadly so,most of the comments that are being made are being made from the intellect and not the heart.from the the philosophy and not the experience.people are speaking for AMMA and swami's.so temba trust the AMMA within him.what is the difference,can SHE not guide us from within?> > what this child does is between his heart and HER.this is my perfect faith.no comment can taint this intimacy that has grown so close in this heart.when i fall,it is HER not any of these comments that picks me up.> > dont you all know that the more you knock AMMAs servants,the more GRACE AMMA will provide for them.AMMAs sun has learned from all of it and all of you. you are all AMMAs beloved children.i cannot knock,or judge and one of you.you are all so beautiful...please forgive me for causing anyone any harm.i love u> > > > Ammachi: anatol_zinc: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:34:51 +0000 Re: to temba about feeding the body and soul> > > > Ammachi , " bluepearllight " <bluepearllight@>wrote:>.... And simply> " donating " food with meat, instead of directly serving it,> to get around> Amma's Wishes is a sorry way to act, IMHO. Ask swamiji to comment> and he'll say the same.> > BPL> > >>>Namaste BPL,what you said until the last sentence above, was reasonable;and it would have been even more reasonable if you said that earlierinstead of saying temba is doing something wrong according to your POV.but the solution to your objection is obvious:temba has his hands full hauling all that sand to build the earthhomes, clothes and other items. so, why don't you, with all yourknowledge, pitch in and get the right food, haul it to thereservation, meet temba there and show him and the indians how to cooketc. easy, eh?please don't interpret this as an imposition on you; this is simply ameasured response to your criticism of temba; i feel you could havemade the same suggestion in a more reasonable way.whenever someone suggests something to Amma, there is a good chanceAmma will put them in charge of it; and them it's up to them.but, there may be other considerations. Amma Herself said that thetype of food we eat may be determined my climatic and geographicalconsiderations and, not sure she included the following:cultural/religious considerations and of course poverty considerations.also, personally, I have a question about doing Seva in " Amma's name " ?it may not always be appropriate. in a city, you may want to give asandwich, hat, scarf and gloves to a homeless person and keep quiet. Amma says if you do every action without any selfishness then God willrush into your heart and no other spiritual practices are needed. but,how many of us are able to do that? maybe Temba is getting close and Irespect him for that. notice that Amma didn't say every actionperformed " perfectly " but performed " without any selfishness " that's my 2cents on this. " one way for all is dangerous " ~ AmmaAmma Bless,amarnath > > > > > > ________> Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills.> http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008\ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 clear and simple and understandable ! thanks for sharing this, temba Ammachi , temba spirits <tembaspirits wrote: > > > if we get hurt by people's comments and words, that will just make us go running to AMMAs arms for comfort. this to is a blessing.it is all designed to make us realize that nothing ,but GOD can save us.we will all let each other down at some point.it is set up that way so that we stop looking for something outside of us to fix us.GOD(AMMA) is the only refuge. > > the only true success is in realizing this.some are afraid to start seva project's without permission,but it was AMMA alone that has come to me and to you when my(your) heart was empty and i was all alone in a chained box.it was not anyone's opinion that freed my heart.it was no one's organization.it was no one's institution.IT WAS AMMA alone. > > my heart goes out to the people who will not budge unless the org. says they can.who can give you the approval to love another life ? > > before the MA center's former lawyer steve left his body ,we had a very informative yet simple conversation.he said temba,'no one can tell you not to serve,just don't do it in the " name " of the MA center unless it has been approved. > > he said that this was a legal issue and not a hearts issue.i am someone who has kept this very simple.it is others that complicate it and think they can get in trouble in loving another life. > > don't raise money in the name of the MA center and dont do anything in the name of the MA center unless it has been approved,but please do not use that as an excuse to do nothing. > > if you follow your heart,i guarantee you that all the support and grace will come.i have never lacked anything in serving our AMMA.SHE always takes care of everything.does SHE not come when we call?who will come when SHE calls.it is AMMA that calls our hearts to serve.who will listen . > > when i dont listen the voice gets stronger and stronger until i am swepted away.when i look back,all i know is that things have happened and i had little ,or nothing to do with it.how can this be explained.people say " good job temba " .some say " no turkeys. " no one really understands that none of this is mine. > > this sounds like philosophy until it becomes your experience.AMMA is turning things upside down and SHE is shaking some things up.just look a little closer and you will see this very clearly.AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA........\ ........... > > > > > > Ammachi: sureshbalaraman: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:36:27 +0000 Re: to temba about feeding the body and soul > > > > >>what this child does is between his heart and HER.this is my perfect faith.no comment can taint this intimacy that has grown so close in this heart.when i fall,it is HER not any of these comments that picks me up.<<Temba Spirit,What soul satisfying answere.I think i am going to cry.Shri Amma Sharanam Mama !!sb--- In Ammachi , temba spirits <tembaspirits@> wrote:>> > dear beloved siblings,this child did not mention AMMA one time to the native people.i did not want them to feel like this was some type of religious conversation thing.we went to visit AMMA and to serve AMMA in the form of native's.the people that show an openess like Cheif Arvol Looking Horse and his beloved wife ,i have talked to about AMMA to.> > the native's understand the Cheif thing.AMMA is my spiritual guide and Cheif.everything this child does will be in honor of my guru,but SHE has taught me not to push it religiously.> > sadly so,most of the comments that are being made are being made from the intellect and not the heart.from the the philosophy and not the experience.people are speaking for AMMA and swami's.so temba trust the AMMA within him.what is the difference,can SHE not guide us from within?> > what this child does is between his heart and HER.this is my perfect faith.no comment can taint this intimacy that has grown so close in this heart.when i fall,it is HER not any of these comments that picks me up.> > dont you all know that the more you knock AMMAs servants,the more GRACE AMMA will provide for them.AMMAs sun has learned from all of it and all of you. you are all AMMAs beloved children.i cannot knock,or judge and one of you.you are all so beautiful...please forgive me for causing anyone any harm.i love u> > > > Ammachi@: anatol_zinc@: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:34:51 +0000 Re: to temba about feeding the body and soul> > > > Ammachi , " bluepearllight " <bluepearllight@>wrote:>.... And simply> " donating " food with meat, instead of directly serving it,> to get around> Amma's Wishes is a sorry way to act, IMHO. Ask swamiji to comment> and he'll say the same.> > BPL> > >>>Namaste BPL,what you said until the last sentence above, was reasonable;and it would have been even more reasonable if you said that earlierinstead of saying temba is doing something wrong according to your POV.but the solution to your objection is obvious:temba has his hands full hauling all that sand to build the earthhomes, clothes and other items. so, why don't you, with all yourknowledge, pitch in and get the right food, haul it to thereservation, meet temba there and show him and the indians how to cooketc. easy, eh?please don't interpret this as an imposition on you; this is simply ameasured response to your criticism of temba; i feel you could havemade the same suggestion in a more reasonable way.whenever someone suggests something to Amma, there is a good chanceAmma will put them in charge of it; and them it's up to them.but, there may be other considerations. Amma Herself said that thetype of food we eat may be determined my climatic and geographicalconsiderations and, not sure she included the following:cultural/religious considerations and of course poverty considerations.also, personally, I have a question about doing Seva in " Amma's name " ?it may not always be appropriate. in a city, you may want to give asandwich, hat, scarf and gloves to a homeless person and keep quiet. Amma says if you do every action without any selfishness then God willrush into your heart and no other spiritual practices are needed. but,how many of us are able to do that? maybe Temba is getting close and Irespect him for that. notice that Amma didn't say every actionperformed " perfectly " but performed " without any selfishness " that's my 2cents on this. " one way for all is dangerous " ~ AmmaAmma Bless,amarnath > > > > > > ________> Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills.> http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008\ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 I haven't posted much in the last year because i have tried to become more busy doing Amma's work and spend less time arguing points. I believe all good charities are Amma's charities, because i believe Amma is more than just her body, and more than her organization. When i give to my local animal shelter, i give in Amma's name (NOT the ORG.) When i donate an extra dollar at the register of a store collecting for a good cause and they give me a little card to sign to hang on the wall, i write Amma's name. When i write to inmates or my sponsored children, i do this in Amma's name. When i make scarves or hats and give them to the homeless shelters or hospitals for the newborns, i do this in Amma's name. I am not part of a group. I work alone. Why get all crazy about it? Temba is doing this too. I believe Amma said that we should not force our beliefs on anyone else, so giving meat to meat eaters, even tho Amma prefers vegetarian diets falls under that category for me. These people are not devotees...they are starving. Temba is doing a great things thru his work. Those who sit and criticize are wasting time. Get up and do something. If you are busy you won't have time to find fault in another's work. I celebrate Christmas in my heart from Christmas Eve thru New Year's Day, so i wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year....In Amma's Name, mare On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:40:33 -0600 temba spirits <tembaspirits writes: > > the only true success is in realizing this.some are afraid to > start seva project's without permission,but it was AMMA alone that > has come to me and to you when my(your) heart was empty and i was > all alone in a chained box.it was not anyone's opinion that freed my > heart.it was no one's organization.it was no one's institution.IT > WAS AMMA alone. > my heart goes out to the people who will not budge unless the > org. says they can.who can give you the approval to love another > life ? > before the MA center's former lawyer steve left his body ,we had a > very informative yet simple conversation.he said temba,'no one can > tell you not to serve,just don't do it in the " name " of the MA > center unless it has been approved. > he said that this was a legal issue and not a hearts issue.i am > someone who has kept this very simple.it is others that complicate > it and think they can get in trouble in loving another life. > don't raise money in the name of the MA center and dont do > anything in the name of the MA center unless it has been > approved,but please do not use that as an excuse to do nothing. __________ Free information - Learn about Hardwood Floors. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eFBA6Aatgb1LQqD7QtRJLvGw5Xnq2\ 526ZMdWebepSfWtiL/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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