Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Dear Keval ~ thank you for stepping forward. I felt very uncomfortable about what I had written yesterday, even though I meant it only for myself. I had been part of the celebration ... one reason for my discomfort about people who were opposed to the discussion is that, due to my growing up in an abusive and alcoholic family, my tendency is to " people please. " I'm not sure that if that is why I said I would no longer participate in the discussion. I do truly feel that because of the upset that I perceived was beginning to show, about the topic of Obama, I felt a need to step back. Thank you very much for your reasoned and well stated point of view. I do feel what others have said, that the fact that a man like Obama could win the Presidency of the US, is very significance, and I believe with others that, though not spoken openly by him, his approach showed him to be a man of deep faith and convictions. What Temba and marci have shared brought tears to my eyes, and I cannot help but believe that any discussion that prompts " peeling " as marci said (I am familiar with the layers of the onion too) is more than worthwhile ... it is a treasure. People are reaching deep within to feel and communicate what the election of Obama means, and I do believe that this is, in great part, a spiritual discussion. This group is a treasure, and we each contain a sparkling jewel within, that spark of the Divine that Amma wants so much for us to connect with. She will do almost anything. I had heard the story of the miracle where She turned water into pudding. I didn't know there was a video of it. This video is itself a treasure. I think it was one of the links that Amarnath sent me, so thank you again Amarnath. (The link is below.) The " story " opens showing a lot of devotees drawing around Amma (a very young woman at that time). There is a man whose main desire seems to be to create trouble. He begins to taunt Amma that if She is Whom Her devotees believe, than She should show it; She should perform a miracle. She gently tries to steer attention away from this man and says several times that this is not the way. Yet, She ultimately recognizes that his disturbing presence is going to get in the way of any hopes or intentions on the part of the people who have come to see Her. So She casually takes a bowl of water and begins stirring, and it turns into pudding. The bowl begins to be passed all around with people sticking their fingers in, wanting to have that precious gift. The man, of course, gives up trying to disrupt the gathering. Here is the link. Please watch and hear. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5od7Kk0OmNA & feature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5od7Kk0OmNA & feature=related) I have a feeling that the discussion is not over ... or that it may dwindle and then rev up again once Obama takes office and begins to take action. So I will not retract what I said about not participating, but will read and listen to my heart and act accordingly. Jai Jai Mata Ma ~ Linda Keval wrote: Most of this discussion is at least marginally related to Amma, and I am not aware of any negative attacks on list members or against Republicans in general. So I haven't put the kibosh on this thread. I am not exactly impartial on the US election just because I live in Canada.. I have dual citizenship and voted for the Obama/Biden ticket by absentee ballot. Just an unscientific observation on my part, but it seems like the majority (or at least plurality) of Amma devotees, and western devotees of eastern spirituality in general, are liberals or leftists who vote Democrats (or NDP in Canada), with a good number of Greenies as well. I only know of one devotee who is a Republican, who basically held her nose and voted McCain, not being too thrilled with the choice. At the very least Obama's victory could mean that Americans traveling abroad won't have to pretend they're from Canada **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=ht\ t p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 dear Linda. . .thanks for sharing your reflections. . .and thanks for posting the link to the Amma puddling miracle. . .it was awesome to watch. . ..the event and young Amma. . .Her divine mood towards to end is so very beautiful. . .is this the earliest video of Amma?. . . .once again thanks for sharing and point to this video. . . .Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha. . . ..marci On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 1:22 PM, <nierika wrote: > Dear Keval ~ thank you for stepping forward. I felt very uncomfortable > about > what I had written yesterday, even though I meant it only for myself. I had > > been part of the celebration ... one reason for my discomfort about people > who were opposed to the discussion is that, due to my growing up in an > abusive > and alcoholic family, my tendency is to " people please. " I'm not sure that > if > that is why I said I would no longer participate in the discussion. I do > truly feel that because of the upset that I perceived was beginning to > show, > about the topic of Obama, I felt a need to step back. Thank you very much > for > your reasoned and well stated point of view. > > I do feel what others have said, that the fact that a man like Obama could > win the Presidency of the US, is very significance, and I believe with > others > that, though not spoken openly by him, his approach showed him to be a man > of > deep faith and convictions. What Temba and marci have shared brought tears > to my eyes, and I cannot help but believe that any discussion that prompts > " peeling " as marci said (I am familiar with the layers of the onion too) is > more > than worthwhile ... it is a treasure. People are reaching deep within to > feel and communicate what the election of Obama means, and I do believe > that > this is, in great part, a spiritual discussion. > > This group is a treasure, and we each contain a sparkling jewel within, > that > spark of the Divine that Amma wants so much for us to connect with. She > will > do almost anything. I had heard the story of the miracle where She turned > water into pudding. I didn't know there was a video of it. This video is > itself > a treasure. > I think it was one of the links that Amarnath sent me, so thank you again > Amarnath. (The link is below.) > > The " story " opens showing a lot of devotees drawing around Amma (a very > young woman at that time). There is a man whose main desire seems to be to > create > trouble. He begins to taunt Amma that if She is Whom Her devotees believe, > than She should show it; She should perform a miracle. She gently tries to > steer attention away from this man and says several times that this is not > the > way. Yet, She ultimately recognizes that his disturbing presence is going > to > get in the way of any hopes or intentions on the part of the people who > have > come to see Her. So She casually takes a bowl of water and begins stirring, > and > it turns into pudding. The bowl begins to be passed all around with people > sticking their fingers in, wanting to have that precious gift. The man, of > course, gives up trying to disrupt the gathering. Here is the link. Please > watch > and hear. > > > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5od7Kk0OmNA & feature=related_ > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5od7Kk0OmNA & feature=related) > > > I have a feeling that the discussion is not over ... or that it may dwindle > > and then rev up again once Obama takes office and begins to take action. So > I > will not retract what I said about not participating, but will read and > listen to my heart and act accordingly. Jai Jai Mata Ma ~ Linda > > Keval wrote: > > Most of this discussion is at least marginally related to Amma, and I am > not > aware of any negative attacks on list members or against Republicans in > general. So I haven't put the kibosh on this thread. I am not exactly > impartial > on the US election just because I live in Canada.. I have dual citizenship > and voted for the Obama/Biden ticket by absentee ballot. > > Just an unscientific observation on my part, but it seems like the majority > > (or at least plurality) of Amma devotees, and western devotees of eastern > spirituality in general, are liberals or leftists who vote Democrats (or > NDP in > Canada), with a good number of Greenies as well. I only know of one devotee > > who is a Republican, who basically held her nose and voted McCain, not > being > too thrilled with the choice. > > At the very least Obama's victory could mean that Americans traveling > abroad > won't have to pretend they're from Canada > > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & > more!( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt > p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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