Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Namaste good morning dear Amma children. . . woke up this morning and was thinking about the exchange from yesterday concerning the groups reaction to the Obama discussion. ..there is truly many shades and subtleties here i believe. . . in following this discussion have not noticed that anyone has ever said anything negative about the " other side " . . .i have only heard ones responding in affirmative and often making references as to how the principles that Obama platformed on resonate with what we are trying to assimilate from Amma's teachings. . .. perhaps they where there and i missed them?. . . maybe one of those " i could only hear what i wanted to hear " and perhaps most people do that also. . . i just have not heard anything disrespectful being spoken?. . .. There was one short sentence from someone that has not joined the group or identified themselves. . .that sentence was one short exclamatory. . . hope they will feel comfortable enough to introduce themselves to the group and express what is on their heart and mind in a clearer and more concise way. . . The exchange yesterday was also interesting for there seemed to be ones that thought the responses to Obama was about duality and politics and others that thought it was about aligning with the circle (for that has consistently been Obama and Amma's message). . . .but as i thought about it i really do not know the place that anyone was responding from. . ..only myself. . . . i see more all the time that i only understood at whatever depth i usually think about life in general.. . .The Course of MIracles says we speak about the things that we are in the process of learning not the things we know. . .and i am in the process of learning what i have projected on Obama. . .i believe I am in a loop these days and most anything i view is coming from an attempt to work through what i will try to express below. . . For the past several years have been challenged to practice what i call the Tao Symbol as energetic. . . .There is the yin and the yang where the mind and heart, male and female, thinking and feeling, light and dark, and on and on with the dualities balance. . . The fullness of the dualities seem to find many opportunities to dance in my world of egoic illusions. . . for me it has been both an internal and external processes. . .about ten years ago i found myself in sacred relationship with one that could not be more opposite. . . we are so opposite i know it this connection is ordained by the " laughing gods " . . . in the deep places i was horrible and so frustrated for i so wanted to be in right relationship and every thing attempt was frustrated from the frame i had about right relationship. . .Went through many phases and stages and only a couple of years ago did it sink in really deep that freedom was found not within the energetic of the opposites but rather with aligning with the circle that hold contains the the opposites. . . in Jungian psy it is called moving into Individuation and in Eastern philosophyperhaps that is the ground where one begins to awaken?. . . When i first made connection with Amma i experienced Her as the full embodiment of THE GREAT TAO. . .The MOTHER. . . My soul knew She resides with the energetic that contains the Universe. . . .when first heard of Obama perceived he is one that is aspiring to stand within the Circle that contains the parts for all of that which lives in dualities. . . So. . . in truth i do not know. . .and maybe that which i perceive about Amma and Obama is all projection of my small mind that is trying to work through something energetically on the return joureny to Amma. . .i really do not know anything except i am on the way home to Mother. . ..and it is full of wonder. . .challenge. . .and my own ignorance and folly. . . At this place i am practicing aligning with the circle rather than getting caught in the dualities. . . as i view and experience the world within and without. . .Along with the immeasurable and inexpressible grace of Amma there is one concept that has become paramont. . .and that concept is Honor. . .for me Honor is inclusive and allows each and everyone to have a voice and it is not a free fror all blast for there are also guideline for honor. . . in a nutshell " bring your best and that best is determined by the one bringing it not by what i think is some one elses best. . .stand and speak from your own ground and hear from the other person's ground. . . Honor has become such a big word for me these days for it seems to be the guidepost for my attempt to join the circle. . . Perhaps of all the words i know it is an indicatior of individuation?. . .Around year 2000, A Day of Honor was started for Native Americans. . .and at that time many Native Elders where asked, " What is the most important thing needed for our world today? " . . ..overwhelmingly they gave the same response. . . " Honor is the key element that is needed in order to shift humanity and change our destiny " . . . This is a little poem about Honor i like for it reminds me of Amma. . ..and surely She is one that holds up the sky and teaches her children to fly free from the source that is within each. . . . " The Way of Honor Honor is the Beauty Way The Honor of one is the Honor of all. Honor open the gift you are to the world. Building relations with Honor is our only job. Creator gave us everything else. Women hold up the sky, so men can fly. A man is only as free as the women he Honors. " author unknown Life has a way of supply me with many ways to practice non-duality and i fail so often. . . .this is an article that from the web just this week. .. .and when i initially read it there was an viseral reaction. . .then came the question and the challenge to stand firm long enough within my own to truly find honor for Bill Keller that wrote this article. . . ..for this is some small slide of some " other side " . . . . This is something i believe about Amma. . .if she where to read this or come into contact with this man. . . .She would gather him in Her embrace and massage his heart with whirl push. . .whirl push. . .whirl push. . .and be concerned about whatever woundedness that has caused him to splt from his Self that could recognize the Divine. . .I have a number of friends and family that hold similiar views about anyone that is not Jesus saved. . .and my Mamma tells me deep from within the soul. .. .you can disagree with them, but you have to stand in realtionship that honors all. . .i am still learning and have projected much of my own stuff on Obama. . .and i am praying that Obama and so many others from both left and right. . . are starting to find voice these days and are beginning to leave the energetics of the Old world of duality and move into Amma's arms that circle. . .where we can all know know we and everyone else are not the thoughts or the beliefs based on the world that have been indented from cultural, polotical, or religious conditioning. . . For me it is not about censorship. . .for all one had to do is look in the history of the world and see where censorship has taken us. . .if we cannot talk about the light from a place of honor for fear that we will offend someone then all voices will be silenced. . .for example Amma shoud not speak about her religion of Love because that will surely offend Bill Keller below. . . I sure do not see this as controvery but rather a discussion that has helped me to peel deeper into what it is all about. . .and how it is part of the sacred journey to Amma return. . .. . So the below has been my Circle practice for the week. . . .my first reaction was . . .not my brother. . .but then the little voice. . .and this too. . .and this too. . .and this two. . . .and after long enough and allowing the tension of the opposites may we all learn the Amma lesson through the process. . .NOT TWO. . . . Why Amma the Hugging Saint is On Her Way to Hell Why Amma, the “hugging saint,†is heading to hell! I already know that I am going to get hammered by some people today for being so cold to even suggest that this dear woman who the world loves and reveres could possibly die and go to hell. Many are going to say that there is no way God would allow a kind, gentle, giving, loving soul like Amma to end up in the fires of hell. The fact is, this 54-year-old Indian woman follows the false religion of Hinduism, has rejected Jesus Christ as her Savior, and unless she repents of her sins and gives her heart and life to Jesus by faith, she will die and spend all eternity in hell. THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS TO GOD’S PLAN OF SALVATION. THOSE WHO DIE WITHOUT JESUS WILL BE JUDGED BY GOD FOR THEIR SINS AND CAST INTO EVERLASTING DARKNESS. YOU CAN’T BUY YOUR WAY INTO HEAVEN, YOU CAN’T WORK YOUR WAY INTO HEAVEN, YOU WILL NEVER BE GOOD ENOUGH TO GET TO HEAVEN, AND YOU CERTAINLY CAN’T HUG YOUR WAY INTO HEAVEN! THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN IS THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST!!! M?t? Amritanandamay? Devi is an Indian born spiritual leader who has been teaching people “spirituality†since 1981. She is revered by her followers as a saint, and is called Amma, derived from Ammachi or holy mother. Amma is best know as the “hugging saint.†Over 3 decades she has given hugs to over 27 million people around the world. People claim miracles happen as Amma hugs them. Many see her as a deity. Everywhere she goes tens of thousands of people line up for hours to receive a hug from her. She hugs to spread the idea of motherly love and compassion “felt not only towards one’s own children, but all people, animals and plants, rocks and rivers - a love extended to all of nature, all beings.†Amma has addressed the United Nations and has also gained worldwide recognition for her humanitarian and philanthropic efforts. She has raised tens of millions of dollars for homes for the poor, hospitals, orphanages, hospices, women’s shelters, pension disbursements for widows, community aid centers, homes for the aged, eye clinics, and speech therapy centers in her native India, for “Mother’s Kitchen†in the U.S. where volunteers prepare and serve meals to the poor and needy, as well as for international disasters like the 2004 tsunami and Hurricane Katrina. So what could possibly be wrong with a woman who lives her life to serve others, who seeks to love people, to bring peace and comfort into people’s lives through her hugs? What could possibly be wrong with a woman who selflessly uses her fame to raise tens of millions of dollars to help the poor and needy and those whose lives have been devastated by natural disasters. If there was ever a person worthy of Heaven, surely Amma would have to be that person, right? Let me ask you a question. What about your Uncle Harry? Everyone has an “Uncle Harry†in their family. He is the guy who is your favorite uncle. He is the nicest, sweetest, most loving and gentle man you have ever known. He works hard, is a great husband and father, would never cheat on his taxes, always helps everyone out, doesn’t kick the dog, and gives money every year to Jerry’s Kids. The only problem with Uncle Harry is that he doesn’t go to church or believe in Jesus, but he is a good man. Nobody is more deserving of being in Heaven than Uncle Harry, right? Here is the problem Amma and Uncle Harry have. You see, the Bible declares that “there is no one who does good, not even one.†It goes on to say that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.†As “good†as Amma may appear on the outside, as “good†as Uncle Harry may appear on the outside, God sees the INSIDE. We are all born with the sin we inherited from Adam. We all sin during our life. The book of 1 John tells us that if we say we are without sin we are a liar. For all the good they may do in her lives, Amma and Uncle Harry are still sinners like we all are and it is our sin that separates us from a holy and righteous God. The Bible teaches us in Ephesians 2, verses 8 and 9 that we are saved by our faith in Jesus Christ and God’s grace, period. You can’t buy you way into Heaven, you can’t do enough good works to get into Heaven, there is only one way to be saved and that is through faith in Jesus Christ and Him alone! Amma can’t hug enough people or raise and give enough money away to earn her way into Heaven. Uncle Harry can’t live a good enough life to ever make it to Heaven. The only way Amma and Uncle Harry will get to Heaven is the same way anyone gets there, and that is by putting their faith in Jesus Christ!!! I love you and care about you so much. I know this message today is going to upset many people. Thinking about your favorite uncle or family member who has rejected Jesus, dying and going to hell for all eternity is difficult. Now maybe you understand my passion. People like your unsaved family members are dying and going to hell for all eternity every day! The news media LOVES these “spiritual†people like Amma the “hugging saint.†She loves everybody, never talks about sin or holding people accountable for their choices, and claims to have the answer for the universal need all people have to fill the “spiritual hole†in their life created by sin. The fact is the only thing that can really fill that spiritual hole is a relationship with Jesus Christ since He is the only way we can be connected back to God our Creator. The truth is, Amma is actually no better than Joey Smith, L. Ron Hubbard, Mohammed, or any other cult/false religion leader. This “hugging saint†is actually a tool of satan since she is leading those who follow her to the flames of the very same hell she is going to. People have a need to be loved, to be held, to be comforted. The church does a poor job of ministering to people’s individual needs and that is why the masses flock to someone like Amma. It makes me sad to watch the masses lined up like lemmings waiting for her to hug them. There is only one name by which men can be saved, and that is the name of JESUS! He is the only road to God. There are no other roads to God! Pray for this woman since if she would turn from the lies of Hinduism and turn to the Truth of God’s Word and faith in Christ, she could be an incredible instrument in God’s hands to lead many souls to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. She is giving people nothing more than the temporary love of this world instead of the everlasting love of God. She offers them hope in a sinful person of flesh and blood instead of the hope we have in Jesus for this life and all eternity. She comforts people for a moment with a hug from earthly arms when what people need most of all is the everlasting comfort of a hug from God’s heavenly arms!!! In His love and service, Your friend and brother in Christ, Bill Keller In Amma's lots of love, light, laughter and life Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha marci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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