Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 DCarlin wrote: Please NO MORE Obama information!!! To Dcarlin and Ammachi Family, I realize I am setting myself up for some pothots, but I feel I must speak on this matter. I am truly disconcerted that bringing a discussion of Obama winning the election, within the context of a spiritual diiscourse, is so conflicting. I would like to share something I recently read in Savitri Bess' book, " The Path of the Mother, " which was authorized and guided by Amma. In Part II, " Love and Rapture, " Savitri shares the story of Chandra and his family. Chandra had been born in Kerala and moved to the U.S. to continue his schooling in engineering. He was vaguely aware of Amma because She too was from Kerala. Cathi Schmidt, who was coordinating things for the NM Amma Center, contacted Chandra and his wife, Latha, to let them know that Amma would soon be in NM. Chandra said he decided to go, not because Ammachi was a " saint " from Kerala. He said Kerala only produced engineers and scientiststs, who then relocate to the U.S. Despite his attitude, his experience was profound, and he decided to go back the next evening because, he said, " ...now something was bugging me, a fire in the mind, something pulling me back to her. " He called his wife and asked to go to that evening's program a bit early, which really surprised her. That evening he and his family sat near Ammachi, and he was struck that She talked just like a " regular person. " Here is what he said to Savriti: " No lecture on spirituality. Nothing. She only asked me questions about my work, family and such things. We hear this same kind of talk from everyone, but don't feel the same way...why is Ammachi so appealing? " That began a many years' long, amazing journey of Chandra and his interactions with Ammachi. So if Amma feels free to discuss the mundane, or even the extraordinary, outside of what would be considered spiritual context, why can we not feel the same. Everything discussed here, so far as I have seen since I returned to the group has, indeed had a spiritual component, regardless the topic. Why this need to ask the group to self-censure? Let us follow Amma's example and write and read according to our abilities and our spiritual perspective. But I hope we won't start censuring people. When I first came back to the group there was a great deal of upheaval due to one person just being generally argumentative. Once people stopped responding to his posts, he seemed to drift away of his own accord. Drawing so much attention to something is giving it more power than it already has, though, frankly, given who Obama is, I can't see that as inappropriate. Jai Ma ~ Linda **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=ht\ t p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Namah Shivaya, Dear ones, while it is fair to say that on a personal level I am pleased with Obama's victory, might I offer a small counterpoint? Many times people have asked Amma Her opinion on political issues and leaders. Last year in Michigan someone expressed concerns about the war in Iraq. Amma said She did not want to comment on whether the war was right. She said that She would not feel right talking about the decisions of another country. Her advice to the questioner was simply that we should all do our best to help make the world better in some small way. To my knowledge, Amma has never made any commentary on Obama, McCain, Bush, or anyone else seeking or holding political office in the West. While it is clear that many people feel Her grace has been with Obama, I think it would also be fair to say that many people in the United States and elsewhere have felt otherwise. There are devoutly religious people who in all earnestness feel in their hearts that McCain would have been the better leader. There are people who were heartbroken when Obama's victory was declared. Some of these may even be list members. Amma devotees come from all walks of life, all parts of the world, all political persuasions. I do not think that it is respecting Amma's teachings if we decry the beliefs of others. I have found myself increasingly uncomfortable with the overtly partisan tone on this list. I do not wish to deny anyone their joy and celebration, but I think that it begins to be a question not of whether the topic is mundane, but whether we are truly cultivating a spirit of inclusion and welcoming in this list by continuing to discuss it in a way that clearly takes sides. That said, in the spirit of allowing the topic to fade on its own, I won't comment further. Jai Ma, Pranada On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:59 PM, <nierika wrote: > > DCarlin wrote: > > Please NO MORE Obama information!!! > > To Dcarlin and Ammachi Family, > > I realize I am setting myself up for some pothots, but I feel I must speak > on this matter. I am truly disconcerted that bringing a discussion of Obama > > winning the election, within the context of a spiritual diiscourse, is so > conflicting. I would like to share something I recently read in Savitri > Bess' > book, " The Path of the Mother, " which was authorized and guided by Amma. In > Part > II, " Love and Rapture, " Savitri shares the story of Chandra and his family. > > Chandra had been born in Kerala and moved to the U.S. to continue his > schooling > in engineering. He was vaguely aware of Amma because She too was from > Kerala. Cathi Schmidt, who was coordinating things for the NM Amma Center, > contacted Chandra and his wife, Latha, to let them know that Amma would > soon be in > NM. > > Chandra said he decided to go, not because Ammachi was a " saint " from > Kerala. He said Kerala only produced engineers and scientiststs, who then > relocate > to the U.S. Despite his attitude, his experience was profound, and he > decided > to go back the next evening because, he said, " ...now something was bugging > > me, a fire in the mind, something pulling me back to her. " He called his > wife > and asked to go to that evening's program a bit early, which really > surprised her. That evening he and his family sat near Ammachi, and he was > struck > that She talked just like a " regular person. " Here is what he said to > Savriti: > > " No lecture on spirituality. Nothing. She only asked me questions about my > work, family and such things. We hear this same kind of talk from everyone, > > but don't feel the same way...why is Ammachi so appealing? " That began a > many > years' long, amazing journey of Chandra and his interactions with Ammachi. > > So if Amma feels free to discuss the mundane, or even the extraordinary, > outside of what would be considered spiritual context, why can we not feel > the > same. Everything discussed here, so far as I have seen since I returned to > the > group has, indeed had a spiritual component, regardless the topic. Why this > > need to ask the group to self-censure? Let us follow Amma's example and > write > and read according to our abilities and our spiritual perspective. But I > hope > we won't start censuring people. When I first came back to the group there > was a great deal of upheaval due to one person just being generally > argumentative. Once people stopped responding to his posts, he seemed to > drift away of > his own accord. > > Drawing so much attention to something is giving it more power than it > already has, though, frankly, given who Obama is, I can't see that as > inappropriate. Jai Ma ~ Linda > > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & > more!( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt > p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Namaste dear Linda. . .i so hear what you are saying here. . .and Amma like water flows. . . for me from my own small little self, and what her life is about. . . i agree with you there is no need to censor any of the voices that have come forth in the past few weeks. . . the ones that feel there has been too much Obama please continue to bring your voice for you stand within our Amma circle also. . .i have appreciated the gaiety and spontaneity of the response. . .there is power in the circle. . .and there is power in all sharing their hearts and as long what is shared is honoring of Amma. . . i pray let it come. . .if there are ones that have a heavy heart because of the elections let them come and share their heart too and may they find the decency of the group that holds what they say with honor and respect also. . .i have not heard anything contentious or overly political. . . Just my two sense worth. . .the reaction to Obama is coming from something much greater than politics for so many hear in America. . . I believe much is coming from the eight years that has left many of us ashamed and dismayed to be an American at times. . .but much greater perhaps, there are those among us that have held our breaths for so many years when it comes to America's racial prejudice; The below history is long but maybe it will highlight that what many of us are giving Amma thanks for it is so much greater than the mundaness pop culture of the US and politics as ususal?. . . . Obama excitement is perhaps also an indicator of the many years of our waiting to exhale from the deep shame and sadness of America's racial inequity. . . For me what has been expressed has been about something much greather than politics and taking sides. . .Amma and Obama both share the same message. . .inclusiveness and not getting caught in the dueling of the opposites. . .it seems to me that to censor others ( especially if the voices are coming from love and light) is just a continuation of duality rather than being the deeper Amma that truly honors all and find that power resides in the circle. . . What i see on this issue is that perhaps some are seeing it as duality whereas others of us are seeing this event in America as a hopeful indication that we are just beginning to bring forth a voice in our nation that aligns with Amma's inclusivenss. . .where ALL the voices are honored and respected. . . . Whose Shoulders Does Obama Really Stand Upon? Not Reverend Wright's. Not all the old lefties cum bomb-planners who have faded. No, Obama stands on the shoulders of these brave souls who are most often forgotten by name, rarely referred to in media or by politicians, but souls, both black and white, who literally laid down their lives so that people of all colors could continually strive to implement new ways to live together without one or the other having to die…. like these dear ones did. Here is part of the Civil Rights Martyrs' Role Call in a place of peace, far, far from the Earth: 1 Louis Allen– A farmer shot to death Jan. 31, 1964, in Liberty, Miss., after witnessing the murder of Herbert Lee, a civil rights worker. 2 Willie Brewster–A factory worker who died July 16, 1965, in Anniston, Ala., from a nightrider's bullet. 3 Benjamin Brown–A truck driver and civil rights worker killed May 12, 1967, when police fired on demonstrators in Jackson, Miss. 4 James Chaney–A civil rights worker abducted and shot at point-blank range June 21, 1964, by Ku Klux Klan members in Philadelphia, Miss. 5 Addie Mae Collins– A young schoolchild murdered Sept. 15, 1963, in the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Ala. 6 Vernon Dahmer– A community leader was murdered Jan. 10, 1966, from a firebomb in Hattiesburg, Miss., after volunteering to pay Black voters' poll taxes. 7 Jonathan Daniels– A white seminary Student shot dead Aug. 14, 1965, by a deputy sheriff in Hayneville, Ala. 8 Henry H. DEE– A civil rights volunteer abducted, beaten and thrown into the Mississippi River in Natchez, Miss., May 2, 1964, by the Ku Klux Klan. 9 Cpl. Roman Ducksworth Jr.–A military policeman shot to death April 9, 1962, in Taylorsville, after refusing a police order to sit in the back of the bus. 10 Willie Edwards Jr.–A deliveryman killed Jan. 23, 1957, near Montgomery, Ala., when the Klan forced him to jump from a bridge into the Alabama River. 11 Medgar Evers–A civil rights leader shot to death June 12, 1963, in the driveway of his home in Jackson, Miss. 12 Andrew Goodman–A civil rights worker abducted and shot at point-blank range June 21, 1964, by the Klan in Philadelphia, Miss. 13 Paul Guihard–A French news reporter shot in the back Sept. 30, 1962, during race riots at the University of Mississippi in Oxford, Miss. 14 Samuel Hammond Jr.–A South Carolina State College student fatally shot Feb. 8, 1968, when police fired on demonstrators in Orangeburg, S.C. 15. Jimmie Lee Jackson–A farmer died Feb. 18, 1965, after being beaten and shot directly into the gut by state troopers following a march in Selma, Ala. 16 Wharlest Jackson–An NAACP treasurer in Natches, Miss., killed Feb. 18, 1965, by a bomb after his promotion to a job once reserved for whites. 17 Martin Luther King Jr., civil rights leader, assassinated April 4, 1968, in Memphis, Tenn. 18 Rev. Bruce Klunder–A White minister from Cleveland, Ohio, purposely run down by a bulldozer operator April 7, 1964, while protesting a segregated school. 19 Rev. George Lee–A minister in Belzoni, Miss., died May 7, 1955, of gunshot wounds after organizing a voter-registration drive. 20 Herbert Lee–A cotton farmer and voter registration organizer shot in the head Sept. 25, 1961, by a white state legislator in Liberty, Miss. 21 Viola Gregg Liuzzo–A white civil rights worker from Detroit, fatally shot in the head March 25, 1965, by Klan members near Selma, Ala. 22 Denise McNair–A schoolgirl killed Sept. 15, 1963, in the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Ala. 23 Delano H. Middleton–A high school student fatally shot Feb. 8, 1968, when police fired on demonstrators in Orangeburg, S.C. 24 Charles E. Moore–A civil rights volunteer abducted, beaten and thrown into the Mississippi River near Natchez, Miss., May 2, 1964, by the Klan. 25 Oneal Moore–A Black deputy sheriff fatally shot after his nightly patrol June 2, 1965, during an ambush by 'nightriders' near Varnado, La. 26 William Moore–A white mail carrier from Baltimore murdered April 23, 1963, in Attala, Ala., during his one-man march against segregation. 27 Mack Charles Parker–A truck driver accused of raping a white woman was lynched April 25, 1959, by masked white men in Poplarville, Miss. 28 Lt. Col. Lemuel Penn–A U.S. Army reservist fatally shot July 11, 1964, by the Klan while driving near Colbert, Ga. 29 Rev. James Reeb–A White minister from Boston beaten to death Mar. 11, 1965, on the streets of Selma, Ala., during a civil rights march. 30 John Earl Reese–A teenager slain Oct. 22, 1955, by 'nightriders' who opposed improvements regarding a black school in Mayflower, Texas. 31 Carole Robertson–A schoolgirl murdered Sept. 15, 1963, in the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Ala. 32 Michael Schwerner–A civil rights worker abducted and shot at point-blank range June 21, 1964, by the Klan in Philadelphia, Miss. 33 Henry E. Smith–A South Carolina State College student fatally shot Feb. 8, 1968, when police fired shotguns at demonstrators in Orangeburg, S.C. 34 Lamar Smith–A prominent farmer fatally shot Aug. 13, 1955, in broad daylight in Brookhaven, Miss., after organizing black voters. 35 Emmett Louis Till–A Chicago teenager lynched Aug. 28, 1955, for allegedly " flirting " with a white woman in Money, Miss. 36 Clarence Triggs–A bricklayer shot in the head July 30, 1966, by 'nightriders' in Bogalusa, La. 37 Virgil Ware–A youngster fatally shot Sept. 16, 1963, by a white teenager while Ware was simply riding his bicycle in Birmingham, Ala. 38 Cynthia Wesley–A schoolgirl murdered Sept. 15, 1963, in the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham. 39 Ben Chester White–A caretaker shot June 10, 1966 by Klan members in Natchez, Miss. 40 Samuel Younge Jr.–A college student shot Jan. 3, 1966, by a Tuskegee, Ala., gas station attendant following a dispute over a 'whites-only' restroom. I don't think it's William Ayers… I think Obama's bare feet are held firmly on the shoulders of the souls listed above, held there by those young and old hands whose lives were cut short by push-hatred. Many more names belong to this list; these are only 40 out of thousands of murders, thousands of maimings that took decades to be brought to Justice. Obama is not that Justice. We are. Obama stands on all the shoulders of all those, living right now, and those long deceased, who did not– or learned not to—viciously impede or aggress on others unjustly, nor remain silent about those who did. So do we also stand on those same shoulders of these living and these dead. I think we surely do. They, not ego, ambition or cleverness, are the true progenitors of our New Day. ______________ CODA A monument to Civil Rights martyrs with these 40 names, selected out of thousands, stands in Montgomery, Alabama. Built by Southern Poverty Law Center in 2005, the attendant Center details the blood and bones lost by ordinary people who, armed only with a sense of Justice, braved to walk straight into the sights of men and women who were fully armed with guns, rifles, shotguns, nooses and bats…. those many who hid under sheets and inside satin and behind public office, et al. The Center continues to call on visitors to " continue working for justice, equality and human rights. " I think that is so wise, for as one can see, even if one has lived only two decades of life so far… that 'rights' often, over time, deteriorate into 'wrongs' again in some part. A seeming expected attrition, so that rights for all, must be fought for all, all over again… and on a cyclical basis. The martyr's memorial was designed by Maya Lin, who designed the Vietnam Veterans' Memorial in Washington, DC. It is a circular granite table with the names and events of that time engraved as spokes, telling the heroic saga. It is washed with water continually… Just as using blessing water for cleansing and reconciliation are spoken about in Holy writings, worldwide. Following the blessing/ repair metaphor, likewise, if you put your hand into the water streaming over the table, the water flows around your hand, making a slight ripple… but then the water 'heals itself,' and flows smoothly, untroubled, once again. Carved deeply into the stone above the table are these words, echoing Martin King's favored ones, * " …until justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream… " * ** *This was from Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estes blog * On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, <nierika wrote: > > DCarlin wrote: > > Please NO MORE Obama information!!! > > To Dcarlin and Ammachi Family, > > I realize I am setting myself up for some pothots, but I feel I must speak > on this matter. I am truly disconcerted that bringing a discussion of Obama > > winning the election, within the context of a spiritual diiscourse, is so > conflicting. I would like to share something I recently read in Savitri > Bess' > book, " The Path of the Mother, " which was authorized and guided by Amma. In > Part > II, " Love and Rapture, " Savitri shares the story of Chandra and his family. > > Chandra had been born in Kerala and moved to the U.S. to continue his > schooling > in engineering. He was vaguely aware of Amma because She too was from > Kerala. Cathi Schmidt, who was coordinating things for the NM Amma Center, > contacted Chandra and his wife, Latha, to let them know that Amma would > soon be in > NM. > > Chandra said he decided to go, not because Ammachi was a " saint " from > Kerala. He said Kerala only produced engineers and scientiststs, who then > relocate > to the U.S. Despite his attitude, his experience was profound, and he > decided > to go back the next evening because, he said, " ...now something was bugging > > me, a fire in the mind, something pulling me back to her. " He called his > wife > and asked to go to that evening's program a bit early, which really > surprised her. That evening he and his family sat near Ammachi, and he was > struck > that She talked just like a " regular person. " Here is what he said to > Savriti: > > " No lecture on spirituality. Nothing. She only asked me questions about my > work, family and such things. We hear this same kind of talk from everyone, > > but don't feel the same way...why is Ammachi so appealing? " That began a > many > years' long, amazing journey of Chandra and his interactions with Ammachi. > > So if Amma feels free to discuss the mundane, or even the extraordinary, > outside of what would be considered spiritual context, why can we not feel > the > same. Everything discussed here, so far as I have seen since I returned to > the > group has, indeed had a spiritual component, regardless the topic. Why this > > need to ask the group to self-censure? Let us follow Amma's example and > write > and read according to our abilities and our spiritual perspective. But I > hope > we won't start censuring people. When I first came back to the group there > was a great deal of upheaval due to one person just being generally > argumentative. Once people stopped responding to his posts, he seemed to > drift away of > his own accord. > > Drawing so much attention to something is giving it more power than it > already has, though, frankly, given who Obama is, I can't see that as > inappropriate. Jai Ma ~ Linda > > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & > more!( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt > p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 dear beloved sibling,have you not just taken a side?the side that suggest for us to not take sides.the only way to not take sides is to dwell in silence ,or simply to love and serve all. millions throughout the world experienced a glimpes of hope through this situation.i am detached about the whole thing ,but why be in denial? hope is a spiritual principle.many people throughout the world have deeper faith in the concept of compassion because of this situation.faith and compassion are spiritual principle's. AMMA may not take sides with people,however AMMA has been telling us for years to live these principles mentioned above. my mother abused me as a child and after 35 years of not have enough strength to apologize to me ,she found the courage to after Obama won. i am sure that there are many testimony's like this.like it or not,the reality is that Mcain would not have inspired my moms heart to open such as this. this is not a political opinion,this is to be aware of what is and to not be in denial.AMMA says to find happiness for in other peoples happiness.this is the first african american president in the history of the world and he has a good heart as well.find happiness in that and drop all the other stuff.see the good and let it go. i dont care who agrees with me.this is the will of the MASTERS AND THE WORK OF LOVE.this is a result of all the praying and fasting and sacrifice of people who want to see a new type of world.this is what AMMA stands for at the core when we take away all of the empty philosophy and spiritual romanticism. like i said ,i am detached ,however i will not live in a state of denial.Ob-AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA............ Ammachi: daughterpranada: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:09:49 -0500Re: Re: Discourse, spiritual and otherwise Namah Shivaya,Dear ones, while it is fair to say that on a personal level I am pleasedwith Obama's victory, might I offer a small counterpoint?Many times people have asked Amma Her opinion on political issues andleaders. Last year in Michigan someone expressed concerns about the war inIraq. Amma said She did not want to comment on whether the war was right.She said that She would not feel right talking about the decisions ofanother country. Her advice to the questioner was simply that we should alldo our best to help make the world better in some small way.To my knowledge, Amma has never made any commentary on Obama, McCain, Bush,or anyone else seeking or holding political office in the West.While it is clear that many people feel Her grace has been with Obama, Ithink it would also be fair to say that many people in the United States andelsewhere have felt otherwise. There are devoutly religious people who inall earnestness feel in their hearts that McCain would have been thebetter leader. There are people who were heartbroken when Obama's victorywas declared. Some of these may even be list members. Amma devotees comefrom all walks of life, all parts of the world, all political persuasions. Ido not think that it is respecting Amma's teachings if we decry the beliefsof others.I have found myself increasingly uncomfortable with the overtly partisantone on this list. I do not wish to deny anyone their joy and celebration,but I think that it begins to be a question not of whether the topic ismundane, but whether we are truly cultivating a spirit of inclusion andwelcoming in this list by continuing to discuss it in a way that clearlytakes sides.That said, in the spirit of allowing the topic to fade on its own, I won'tcomment further.Jai Ma,PranadaOn Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:59 PM, <nierika wrote:>> DCarlin wrote:>> Please NO MORE Obama information!!!>> To Dcarlin and Ammachi Family,>> I realize I am setting myself up for some pothots, but I feel I must speak> on this matter. I am truly disconcerted that bringing a discussion of Obama>> winning the election, within the context of a spiritual diiscourse, is so> conflicting. I would like to share something I recently read in Savitri> Bess'> book, " The Path of the Mother, " which was authorized and guided by Amma. In> Part> II, " Love and Rapture, " Savitri shares the story of Chandra and his family.>> Chandra had been born in Kerala and moved to the U.S. to continue his> schooling> in engineering. He was vaguely aware of Amma because She too was from> Kerala. Cathi Schmidt, who was coordinating things for the NM Amma Center,> contacted Chandra and his wife, Latha, to let them know that Amma would> soon be in> NM.>> Chandra said he decided to go, not because Ammachi was a " saint " from> Kerala. He said Kerala only produced engineers and scientiststs, who then> relocate> to the U.S. Despite his attitude, his experience was profound, and he> decided> to go back the next evening because, he said, " ...now something was bugging>> me, a fire in the mind, something pulling me back to her. " He called his> wife> and asked to go to that evening's program a bit early, which really> surprised her. That evening he and his family sat near Ammachi, and he was> struck> that She talked just like a " regular person. " Here is what he said to> Savriti:>> " No lecture on spirituality. Nothing. She only asked me questions about my> work, family and such things. We hear this same kind of talk from everyone,>> but don't feel the same way...why is Ammachi so appealing? " That began a> many> years' long, amazing journey of Chandra and his interactions with Ammachi.>> So if Amma feels free to discuss the mundane, or even the extraordinary,> outside of what would be considered spiritual context, why can we not feel> the> same. Everything discussed here, so far as I have seen since I returned to> the> group has, indeed had a spiritual component, regardless the topic. Why this>> need to ask the group to self-censure? Let us follow Amma's example and> write> and read according to our abilities and our spiritual perspective. But I> hope> we won't start censuring people. When I first came back to the group there> was a great deal of upheaval due to one person just being generally> argumentative. Once people stopped responding to his posts, he seemed to> drift away of> his own accord.>> Drawing so much attention to something is giving it more power than it> already has, though, frankly, given who Obama is, I can't see that as> inappropriate. Jai Ma ~ Linda>> **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & > more!(> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt> p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Namaste dear Temba....i am in tears from reading about what you wrote about your Mom. . .how precious your Mom found the opening of heart to let in her dear son. . . beautiful and so precious and surely that was Amma's divine grace and all the growth and light that you have grown into since you came to your spiritual Mother. . . .sorry you went through abuse. . .but so happy you have landed in Amma's lap. . . Aum Amriteswarayi Namaha marci On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 3:26 PM, temba spirits <tembaspiritswrote: > > dear beloved sibling,have you not just taken a side?the side that suggest > for us to not take sides.the only way to not take sides is to dwell in > silence ,or simply to love and serve all. > > millions throughout the world experienced a glimpes of hope through this > situation.i am detached about the whole thing ,but why be in denial? > hope is a spiritual principle.many people throughout the world have deeper > faith in the concept of compassion because of this situation.faith and > compassion are spiritual principle's. > > AMMA may not take sides with people,however AMMA has been telling us for > years to live these principles mentioned above. my mother abused me as a > child and after 35 years of not have enough strength to apologize to me ,she > found the courage to after Obama won. i am sure that there are many > testimony's like this.like it or not,the reality is that Mcain would not > have inspired my moms heart to open such as this. > > this is not a political opinion,this is to be aware of what is and to not > be in denial.AMMA says to find happiness for in other peoples happiness.this > is the first african american president in the history of the world and he > has a good heart as well.find happiness in that and drop all the other > stuff.see the good and let it go. > > i dont care who agrees with me.this is the will of the MASTERS AND THE WORK > OF LOVE.this is a result of all the praying and fasting and sacrifice of > people who want to see a new type of world.this is what AMMA stands for at > the core when we take away all of the empty philosophy and spiritual > romanticism. > > like i said ,i am detached ,however i will not live in a state of > denial.Ob-AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA............ > > > > > > Ammachi <Ammachi%40From>: > daughterpranada <daughterpranada%40gmail.comDate>: Fri, 14 > Nov 2008 15:09:49 -0500Re: Re: Discourse, spiritual and > otherwise > > Namah Shivaya,Dear ones, while it is fair to say that on a personal level I > am pleasedwith Obama's victory, might I offer a small counterpoint?Many > times people have asked Amma Her opinion on political issues andleaders. > Last year in Michigan someone expressed concerns about the war inIraq. Amma > said She did not want to comment on whether the war was right.She said that > She would not feel right talking about the decisions ofanother country. Her > advice to the questioner was simply that we should alldo our best to help > make the world better in some small way.To my knowledge, Amma has never made > any commentary on Obama, McCain, Bush,or anyone else seeking or holding > political office in the West.While it is clear that many people feel Her > grace has been with Obama, Ithink it would also be fair to say that many > people in the United States andelsewhere have felt otherwise. There are > devoutly religious people who inall earnestness feel in their hearts that > McCain would have been thebetter leader. There are people who were > heartbroken when Obama's victorywas declared. Some of these may even be list > members. Amma devotees comefrom all walks of life, all parts of the world, > all political persuasions. Ido not think that it is respecting Amma's > teachings if we decry the beliefsof others.I have found myself increasingly > uncomfortable with the overtly partisantone on this list. I do not wish to > deny anyone their joy and celebration,but I think that it begins to be a > question not of whether the topic ismundane, but whether we are truly > cultivating a spirit of inclusion andwelcoming in this list by continuing to > discuss it in a way that clearlytakes sides.That said, in the spirit of > allowing the topic to fade on its own, I won'tcomment further.Jai > Ma,PranadaOn Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:59 PM, <nierika<nierika%40aol.com>> > wrote:>> DCarlin wrote:>> Please NO MORE Obama information!!!>> To Dcarlin > and Ammachi Family,>> I realize I am setting myself up for some pothots, but > I feel I must speak> on this matter. I am truly disconcerted that bringing a > discussion of Obama>> winning the election, within the context of a > spiritual diiscourse, is so> conflicting. I would like to share something I > recently read in Savitri> Bess'> book, " The Path of the Mother, " which was > authorized and guided by Amma. In> Part> II, " Love and Rapture, " Savitri > shares the story of Chandra and his family.>> Chandra had been born in > Kerala and moved to the U.S. to continue his> schooling> in engineering. He > was vaguely aware of Amma because She too was from> Kerala. Cathi Schmidt, > who was coordinating things for the NM Amma Center,> contacted Chandra and > his wife, Latha, to let them know that Amma would> soon be in> NM.>> Chandra > said he decided to go, not because Ammachi was a " saint " from> Kerala. He > said Kerala only produced engineers and scientiststs, who then> relocate> to > the U.S. Despite his attitude, his experience was profound, and he> decided> > to go back the next evening because, he said, " ...now something was > bugging>> me, a fire in the mind, something pulling me back to her. " He > called his> wife> and asked to go to that evening's program a bit early, > which really> surprised her. That evening he and his family sat near > Ammachi, and he was> struck> that She talked just like a " regular person. " > Here is what he said to> Savriti:>> " No lecture on spirituality. Nothing. > She only asked me questions about my> work, family and such things. We hear > this same kind of talk from everyone,>> but don't feel the same way...why is > Ammachi so appealing? " That began a> many> years' long, amazing journey of > Chandra and his interactions with Ammachi.>> So if Amma feels free to > discuss the mundane, or even the extraordinary,> outside of what would be > considered spiritual context, why can we not feel> the> same. Everything > discussed here, so far as I have seen since I returned to> the> group has, > indeed had a spiritual component, regardless the topic. Why this>> need to > ask the group to self-censure? Let us follow Amma's example and> write> and > read according to our abilities and our spiritual perspective. But I> hope> > we won't start censuring people. When I first came back to the group there> > was a great deal of upheaval due to one person just being generally> > argumentative. Once people stopped responding to his posts, he seemed to> > drift away of> his own accord.>> Drawing so much attention to something is > giving it more power than it> already has, though, frankly, given who Obama > is, I can't see that as> inappropriate. Jai Ma ~ Linda>> **************Get > the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & > more!(> > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt> > p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 thankyou beloved daughter of AMMA.when this child was a child he longed for his mother to say she was sorry for having him buy drugs for her at twelve and then kicking him out of the house.being homeless and on the streets at twelve in the ghetto's of the westside of chicago was not easy.AMMAs sun just wanted his mother to acknowldge how she abused us.really he just wanted to be loved. for years i wanted her to do this for me,me,me ,me! AMMA began dealing with my heart about this selfishness and she began showing my heart how much his mother was feeling guilty over this and therefore not able to face it.my heart shifted and i told my mom that she would free herself if she embraced the courage to apologize.i told her that we all make mistakes and that it takes courage to face that. this was right before election.my mom went into denial once again and AMMA gave me the grace to remain in the awareness and intention of wanting this freedom for her and not me,me,me,me! i began to see an opening and i stayed detached and firm.when Obama won,this gave my mom the extra boost of courage and compassion that she needed in order to apologize.now she is FREE and so am i. when she called me and did this,i was so happy for her.i realized even more that GOD(AMMA) has to respond to a selfless call.GOD is compelled to respond when HIS child prays selflessly. milllions around the world prayed selfless prayers to the DIVINE in hopes that Ob-AMMA would win.GOD had no choice but to answer this prayer which enabled my pray for my mother to be answered.this is what temba means when he says Ob-AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA............. do you all know that kenya is one of the poorest country's on the planet ,but is documented as the one of the HAPPIEST!.that energy is one of the energys that bread this being known as Ob-AMMA,AMMA,AMMA.............. LASTLY... on Ob-AMMAs VICTORY night,it was celebrated in the ashram.each person in the Ashram was given a peace of cake to CELEBRATE the VICTORY.how could AMMA not support LOVE waking up in peoples hearts in mass such as this ,when SHE in fact is that very LOVE? this is not about Obama it is about what AMMA has been saying to us for years.stay open and the GURUS grace will descend.love u all...........AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA...... and mark my words,you will see obama getting a hug by AMMA some day................................ Ammachi: ammarci108: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:25:59 -0600Re: Re: Discourse, spiritual and otherwise Namastedear Temba....i am in tears from reading about what you wrote about yourMom. . .how precious your Mom found the opening of heart to let in her dearson. . . beautiful and so precious and surely that was Amma's divine graceand all the growth and light that you have grown into since you came to yourspiritual Mother. . . .sorry you went through abuse. . .but so happy youhave landed in Amma's lap. . .Aum Amriteswarayi NamahamarciOn Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 3:26 PM, temba spirits <tembaspiritswrote:>> dear beloved sibling,have you not just taken a side?the side that suggest> for us to not take sides.the only way to not take sides is to dwell in> silence ,or simply to love and serve all.>> millions throughout the world experienced a glimpes of hope through this> situation.i am detached about the whole thing ,but why be in denial?> hope is a spiritual principle.many people throughout the world have deeper> faith in the concept of compassion because of this situation.faith and> compassion are spiritual principle's.>> AMMA may not take sides with people,however AMMA has been telling us for> years to live these principles mentioned above. my mother abused me as a> child and after 35 years of not have enough strength to apologize to me ,she> found the courage to after Obama won. i am sure that there are many> testimony's like this.like it or not,the reality is that Mcain would not> have inspired my moms heart to open such as this.>> this is not a political opinion,this is to be aware of what is and to not> be in denial.AMMA says to find happiness for in other peoples happiness.this> is the first african american president in the history of the world and he> has a good heart as well.find happiness in that and drop all the other> stuff.see the good and let it go.>> i dont care who agrees with me.this is the will of the MASTERS AND THE WORK> OF LOVE.this is a result of all the praying and fasting and sacrifice of> people who want to see a new type of world.this is what AMMA stands for at> the core when we take away all of the empty philosophy and spiritual> romanticism.>> like i said ,i am detached ,however i will not live in a state of> denial.Ob-AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA............>>>>\ >> Ammachi <Ammachi%40From>:> daughterpranada <daughterpranada%40gmail.comDate>: Fri, 14> Nov 2008 15:09:49 -0500Re: Re: Discourse, spiritual and> otherwise>> Namah Shivaya,Dear ones, while it is fair to say that on a personal level I> am pleasedwith Obama's victory, might I offer a small counterpoint?Many> times people have asked Amma Her opinion on political issues andleaders.> Last year in Michigan someone expressed concerns about the war inIraq. Amma> said She did not want to comment on whether the war was right.She said that> She would not feel right talking about the decisions ofanother country. Her> advice to the questioner was simply that we should alldo our best to help> make the world better in some small way.To my knowledge, Amma has never made> any commentary on Obama, McCain, Bush,or anyone else seeking or holding> political office in the West.While it is clear that many people feel Her> grace has been with Obama, Ithink it would also be fair to say that many> people in the United States andelsewhere have felt otherwise. There are> devoutly religious people who inall earnestness feel in their hearts that> McCain would have been thebetter leader. There are people who were> heartbroken when Obama's victorywas declared. Some of these may even be list> members. Amma devotees comefrom all walks of life, all parts of the world,> all political persuasions. Ido not think that it is respecting Amma's> teachings if we decry the beliefsof others.I have found myself increasingly> uncomfortable with the overtly partisantone on this list. I do not wish to> deny anyone their joy and celebration,but I think that it begins to be a> question not of whether the topic ismundane, but whether we are truly> cultivating a spirit of inclusion andwelcoming in this list by continuing to> discuss it in a way that clearlytakes sides.That said, in the spirit of> allowing the topic to fade on its own, I won'tcomment further.Jai> Ma,PranadaOn Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:59 PM, <nierika<nierika%40aol.com>>> wrote:>> DCarlin wrote:>> Please NO MORE Obama information!!!>> To Dcarlin> and Ammachi Family,>> I realize I am setting myself up for some pothots, but> I feel I must speak> on this matter. I am truly disconcerted that bringing a> discussion of Obama>> winning the election, within the context of a> spiritual diiscourse, is so> conflicting. I would like to share something I> recently read in Savitri> Bess'> book, " The Path of the Mother, " which was> authorized and guided by Amma. In> Part> II, " Love and Rapture, " Savitri> shares the story of Chandra and his family.>> Chandra had been born in> Kerala and moved to the U.S. to continue his> schooling> in engineering. He> was vaguely aware of Amma because She too was from> Kerala. Cathi Schmidt,> who was coordinating things for the NM Amma Center,> contacted Chandra and> his wife, Latha, to let them know that Amma would> soon be in> NM.>> Chandra> said he decided to go, not because Ammachi was a " saint " from> Kerala. He> said Kerala only produced engineers and scientiststs, who then> relocate> to> the U.S. Despite his attitude, his experience was profound, and he> decided>> to go back the next evening because, he said, " ...now something was> bugging>> me, a fire in the mind, something pulling me back to her. " He> called his> wife> and asked to go to that evening's program a bit early,> which really> surprised her. That evening he and his family sat near> Ammachi, and he was> struck> that She talked just like a " regular person. " > Here is what he said to> Savriti:>> " No lecture on spirituality. Nothing.> She only asked me questions about my> work, family and such things. We hear> this same kind of talk from everyone,>> but don't feel the same way...why is> Ammachi so appealing? " That began a> many> years' long, amazing journey of> Chandra and his interactions with Ammachi.>> So if Amma feels free to> discuss the mundane, or even the extraordinary,> outside of what would be> considered spiritual context, why can we not feel> the> same. Everything> discussed here, so far as I have seen since I returned to> the> group has,> indeed had a spiritual component, regardless the topic. Why this>> need to> ask the group to self-censure? Let us follow Amma's example and> write> and> read according to our abilities and our spiritual perspective. But I> hope>> we won't start censuring people. When I first came back to the group there>> was a great deal of upheaval due to one person just being generally>> argumentative. Once people stopped responding to his posts, he seemed to>> drift away of> his own accord.>> Drawing so much attention to something is> giving it more power than it> already has, though, frankly, given who Obama> is, I can't see that as> inappropriate. Jai Ma ~ Linda>> **************Get> the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & > more!(>> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt>> p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 On a lighter note, has anyone noticed that Obama's Chief of Staff is called Rahm? Jai jai Ram. Ammachi , " marci mattes " <ammarci108 wrote: > > Namaste > > dear Temba....i am in tears from reading about what you wrote about your > Mom. . .how precious your Mom found the opening of heart to let in her dear > son. . . beautiful and so precious and surely that was Amma's divine grace > and all the growth and light that you have grown into since you came to your > spiritual Mother. . . .sorry you went through abuse. . .but so happy you > have landed in Amma's lap. . . > Aum Amriteswarayi Namaha > marci > > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 3:26 PM, temba spirits <tembaspiritswrote: > > > > > dear beloved sibling,have you not just taken a side?the side that suggest > > for us to not take sides.the only way to not take sides is to dwell in > > silence ,or simply to love and serve all. > > > > millions throughout the world experienced a glimpes of hope through this > > situation.i am detached about the whole thing ,but why be in denial? > > hope is a spiritual principle.many people throughout the world have deeper > > faith in the concept of compassion because of this situation.faith and > > compassion are spiritual principle's. > > > > AMMA may not take sides with people,however AMMA has been telling us for > > years to live these principles mentioned above. my mother abused me as a > > child and after 35 years of not have enough strength to apologize to me ,she > > found the courage to after Obama won. i am sure that there are many > > testimony's like this.like it or not,the reality is that Mcain would not > > have inspired my moms heart to open such as this. > > > > this is not a political opinion,this is to be aware of what is and to not > > be in denial.AMMA says to find happiness for in other peoples happiness.this > > is the first african american president in the history of the world and he > > has a good heart as well.find happiness in that and drop all the other > > stuff.see the good and let it go. > > > > i dont care who agrees with me.this is the will of the MASTERS AND THE WORK > > OF LOVE.this is a result of all the praying and fasting and sacrifice of > > people who want to see a new type of world.this is what AMMA stands for at > > the core when we take away all of the empty philosophy and spiritual > > romanticism. > > > > like i said ,i am detached ,however i will not live in a state of > > denial.Ob- AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA............ > > > > > > > > > > > > Ammachi <Ammachi%40From>: > > daughterpranada <daughterpranada%40gmail.comDate>: Fri, 14 > > Nov 2008 15:09:49 -0500Re: Re: Discourse, spiritual and > > otherwise > > > > Namah Shivaya,Dear ones, while it is fair to say that on a personal level I > > am pleasedwith Obama's victory, might I offer a small counterpoint?Many > > times people have asked Amma Her opinion on political issues andleaders. > > Last year in Michigan someone expressed concerns about the war inIraq. Amma > > said She did not want to comment on whether the war was right.She said that > > She would not feel right talking about the decisions ofanother country. Her > > advice to the questioner was simply that we should alldo our best to help > > make the world better in some small way.To my knowledge, Amma has never made > > any commentary on Obama, McCain, Bush,or anyone else seeking or holding > > political office in the West.While it is clear that many people feel Her > > grace has been with Obama, Ithink it would also be fair to say that many > > people in the United States andelsewhere have felt otherwise. There are > > devoutly religious people who inall earnestness feel in their hearts that > > McCain would have been thebetter leader. There are people who were > > heartbroken when Obama's victorywas declared. Some of these may even be list > > members. Amma devotees comefrom all walks of life, all parts of the world, > > all political persuasions. Ido not think that it is respecting Amma's > > teachings if we decry the beliefsof others.I have found myself increasingly > > uncomfortable with the overtly partisantone on this list. I do not wish to > > deny anyone their joy and celebration,but I think that it begins to be a > > question not of whether the topic ismundane, but whether we are truly > > cultivating a spirit of inclusion andwelcoming in this list by continuing to > > discuss it in a way that clearlytakes sides.That said, in the spirit of > > allowing the topic to fade on its own, I won'tcomment further.Jai > > Ma,PranadaOn Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:59 PM, <nierika<nierika%40aol.com>> > > wrote:>> DCarlin wrote:>> Please NO MORE Obama information!!!>> To Dcarlin > > and Ammachi Family,>> I realize I am setting myself up for some pothots, but > > I feel I must speak> on this matter. I am truly disconcerted that bringing a > > discussion of Obama>> winning the election, within the context of a > > spiritual diiscourse, is so> conflicting. I would like to share something I > > recently read in Savitri> Bess'> book, " The Path of the Mother, " which was > > authorized and guided by Amma. In> Part> II, " Love and Rapture, " Savitri > > shares the story of Chandra and his family.>> Chandra had been born in > > Kerala and moved to the U.S. to continue his> schooling> in engineering. He > > was vaguely aware of Amma because She too was from> Kerala. Cathi Schmidt, > > who was coordinating things for the NM Amma Center,> contacted Chandra and > > his wife, Latha, to let them know that Amma would> soon be in> NM.>> Chandra > > said he decided to go, not because Ammachi was a " saint " from> Kerala. He > > said Kerala only produced engineers and scientiststs, who then> relocate> to > > the U.S. Despite his attitude, his experience was profound, and he> decided> > > to go back the next evening because, he said, " ...now something was > > bugging>> me, a fire in the mind, something pulling me back to her. " He > > called his> wife> and asked to go to that evening's program a bit early, > > which really> surprised her. That evening he and his family sat near > > Ammachi, and he was> struck> that She talked just like a " regular person. " > > Here is what he said to> Savriti:>> " No lecture on spirituality. Nothing. > > She only asked me questions about my> work, family and such things. We hear > > this same kind of talk from everyone,>> but don't feel the same way...why is > > Ammachi so appealing? " That began a> many> years' long, amazing journey of > > Chandra and his interactions with Ammachi.>> So if Amma feels free to > > discuss the mundane, or even the extraordinary,> outside of what would be > > considered spiritual context, why can we not feel> the> same. Everything > > discussed here, so far as I have seen since I returned to> the> group has, > > indeed had a spiritual component, regardless the topic. Why this>> need to > > ask the group to self-censure? Let us follow Amma's example and> write> and > > read according to our abilities and our spiritual perspective. But I> hope> > > we won't start censuring people. When I first came back to the group there> > > was a great deal of upheaval due to one person just being generally> > > argumentative. Once people stopped responding to his posts, he seemed to> > > drift away of> his own accord.>> Drawing so much attention to something is > > giving it more power than it> already has, though, frankly, given who Obama > > is, I can't see that as> inappropriate. Jai Ma ~ Linda>> **************Get > > the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & > more!(> > > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt> > > p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)>> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 THAT IS SUPER COOL! Ammachi: labd2929: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:25:52 +0000 Re: Discourse, spiritual and otherwise On a lighter note, has anyone noticed that Obama's Chief of Staff is called Rahm? Jai jai Ram. Ammachi , " marci mattes " <ammarci108 wrote:>> Namaste> > dear Temba....i am in tears from reading about what you wrote about your> Mom. . .how precious your Mom found the opening of heart to let in her dear> son. . . beautiful and so precious and surely that was Amma's divine grace> and all the growth and light that you have grown into since you came to your> spiritual Mother. . . .sorry you went through abuse. . ..but so happy you> have landed in Amma's lap. . .> Aum Amriteswarayi Namaha> marci> > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 3:26 PM, temba spirits <tembaspiritswrote:> > >> > dear beloved sibling,have you not just taken a side?the side that suggest> > for us to not take sides.the only way to not take sides is to dwell in> > silence ,or simply to love and serve all.> >> > millions throughout the world experienced a glimpes of hope through this> > situation.i am detached about the whole thing ,but why be in denial?> > hope is a spiritual principle.many people throughout the world have deeper> > faith in the concept of compassion because of this situation.faith and> > compassion are spiritual principle's.> >> > AMMA may not take sides with people,however AMMA has been telling us for> > years to live these principles mentioned above. my mother abused me as a> > child and after 35 years of not have enough strength to apologize to me ,she> > found the courage to after Obama won. i am sure that there are many> > testimony's like this.like it or not,the reality is that Mcain would not> > have inspired my moms heart to open such as this.> >> > this is not a political opinion,this is to be aware of what is and to not> > be in denial.AMMA says to find happiness for in other peoples happiness.this> > is the first african american president in the history of the world and he> > has a good heart as well.find happiness in that and drop all the other> > stuff.see the good and let it go.> >> > i dont care who agrees with me.this is the will of the MASTERS AND THE WORK> > OF LOVE.this is a result of all the praying and fasting and sacrifice of> > people who want to see a new type of world.this is what AMMA stands for at> > the core when we take away all of the empty philosophy and spiritual> > romanticism.> >> > like i said ,i am detached ,however i will not live in a state of> > denial.Ob-AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA............> >> >> >> >> >> > Ammachi <Ammachi%40From>:> > daughterpranada <daughterpranada%40gmail.comDate>: Fri, 14> > Nov 2008 15:09:49 -0500Re: Re: Discourse, spiritual and> > otherwise> >> > Namah Shivaya,Dear ones, while it is fair to say that on a personal level I> > am pleasedwith Obama's victory, might I offer a small counterpoint?Many> > times people have asked Amma Her opinion on political issues andleaders.> > Last year in Michigan someone expressed concerns about the war inIraq. Amma> > said She did not want to comment on whether the war was right.She said that> > She would not feel right talking about the decisions ofanother country. Her> > advice to the questioner was simply that we should alldo our best to help> > make the world better in some small way.To my knowledge, Amma has never made> > any commentary on Obama, McCain, Bush,or anyone else seeking or holding> > political office in the West.While it is clear that many people feel Her> > grace has been with Obama, Ithink it would also be fair to say that many> > people in the United States andelsewhere have felt otherwise. There are> > devoutly religious people who inall earnestness feel in their hearts that> > McCain would have been thebetter leader. There are people who were> > heartbroken when Obama's victorywas declared. Some of these may even be list> > members. Amma devotees comefrom all walks of life, all parts of the world,> > all political persuasions. Ido not think that it is respecting Amma's> > teachings if we decry the beliefsof others.I have found myself increasingly> > uncomfortable with the overtly partisantone on this list. I do not wish to> > deny anyone their joy and celebration,but I think that it begins to be a> > question not of whether the topic ismundane, but whether we are truly> > cultivating a spirit of inclusion andwelcoming in this list by continuing to> > discuss it in a way that clearlytakes sides.That said, in the spirit of> > allowing the topic to fade on its own, I won'tcomment further.Jai> > Ma,PranadaOn Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:59 PM, <nierika<nierika%40aol.com>>> > wrote:>> DCarlin wrote:>> Please NO MORE Obama information!!!>> To Dcarlin> > and Ammachi Family,>> I realize I am setting myself up for some pothots, but> > I feel I must speak> on this matter. I am truly disconcerted that bringing a> > discussion of Obama>> winning the election, within the context of a> > spiritual diiscourse, is so> conflicting. I would like to share something I> > recently read in Savitri> Bess'> book, " The Path of the Mother, " which was> > authorized and guided by Amma. In> Part> II, " Love and Rapture, " Savitri> > shares the story of Chandra and his family.>> Chandra had been born in> > Kerala and moved to the U.S. to continue his> schooling> in engineering. He> > was vaguely aware of Amma because She too was from> Kerala. Cathi Schmidt,> > who was coordinating things for the NM Amma Center,> contacted Chandra and> > his wife, Latha, to let them know that Amma would> soon be in> NM.>> Chandra> > said he decided to go, not because Ammachi was a " saint " from> Kerala. He> > said Kerala only produced engineers and scientiststs, who then> relocate> to> > the U.S. Despite his attitude, his experience was profound, and he> decided>> > to go back the next evening because, he said, " ...now something was> > bugging>> me, a fire in the mind, something pulling me back to her. " He> > called his> wife> and asked to go to that evening's program a bit early,> > which really> surprised her. That evening he and his family sat near> > Ammachi, and he was> struck> that She talked just like a " regular person. " > > Here is what he said to> Savriti:>> " No lecture on spirituality. Nothing.> > She only asked me questions about my> work, family and such things. We hear> > this same kind of talk from everyone,>> but don't feel the same way...why is> > Ammachi so appealing? " That began a> many> years' long, amazing journey of> > Chandra and his interactions with Ammachi.>> So if Amma feels free to> > discuss the mundane, or even the extraordinary,> outside of what would be> > considered spiritual context, why can we not feel> the> same. Everything> > discussed here, so far as I have seen since I returned to> the> group has,> > indeed had a spiritual component, regardless the topic. Why this>> need to> > ask the group to self-censure? Let us follow Amma's example and> write> and> > read according to our abilities and our spiritual perspective. But I> hope>> > we won't start censuring people. When I first came back to the group there>> > was a great deal of upheaval due to one person just being generally>> > argumentative. Once people stopped responding to his posts, he seemed to>> > drift away of> his own accord.>> Drawing so much attention to something is> > giving it more power than it> already has, though, frankly, given who Obama> > is, I can't see that as> inappropriate. Jai Ma ~ Linda>> **************Get> > the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & > more!(>> > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt>> > p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Let's not also get caught up in attributing one side as being " religious " while another side is not. I know many religious people and spiritual people who voted for Obama. This type of talk is divisive and was rampant in the campaign. We have people of all faiths and backgrounds who are on both sides in the U.S. One side is not more religious than another. Sorry but felt this should not go without comment. At any rate, I am happy. Sure the side that does not win is not ever happy-just like when Gore did not win and the election went south due to many things that seemed incredibly unfair. The glee in America for most is palpable and it was so large it spilled into our group. So be it. To me Obama is inspiring and spiritual. His grace and unwillingness to use hate talk during the campaign endeared him to most Americans. I think to many of us that constituted some vision in our own minds of his intense spirituality-that he never did become personal or hateful and you never hear him doing this. His desire not to use negative talk on personal levels was a first in American politics. That was amazing to witness and was testimony to his incredible enlightened way of viewing our world. That probably felt very spiritual to many of us and hence why many wanted to talk about it. Just my .02. Is it spiritual talk? I don't know-maybe it is. Ammachi , " Pranada Sylvis " <daughterpranada wrote: While it is clear that many people feel Her grace has been with Obama, I think it would also be fair to say that many people in the United States and elsewhere have felt otherwise. There are devoutly religious people who in all earnestness feel in their hearts that McCain would have been the better leader. There are people who were heartbroken when Obama's victory was declared. Some of these may even be list members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 dear beloved ,just like you have a right to say that " ONE SIDE IS NOT MORE RELIGIOUS THEN THE OTHER " .dont people have the right to disagree with this opinion.is your perspective more spirtual or religious then someone who wants to take sides?LOVE AND SERVE.that is what AMMA says.everyone is HER child that is the ESSENCE of it ALL.................even the naughty children like me are HER chidren. Ammachi: a1driane: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:13:21 +0000 Re: Discourse, spiritual and otherwise Let's not also get caught up in attributing one side as being " religious " while another side is not. I know many religious people and spiritual people who voted for Obama. This type of talk is divisive and was rampant in the campaign. We have people of all faiths and backgrounds who are on both sides in the U.S. One side is not more religious than another. Sorry but felt this should not go without comment. At any rate, I am happy. Sure the side that does not win is not ever happy-just like when Gore did not win and the election went south due to many things that seemed incredibly unfair. The glee in America for most is palpable and it was so large it spilled into our group. So be it. To me Obama is inspiring and spiritual. His grace and unwillingness to use hate talk during the campaign endeared him to most Americans. I think to many of us that constituted some vision in our own minds of his intense spirituality-that he never did become personal or hateful and you never hear him doing this. His desire not to use negative talk on personal levels was a first in American politics. That was amazing to witness and was testimony to his incredible enlightened way of viewing our world. That probably felt very spiritual to many of us and hence why many wanted to talk about it. Just my .02. Is it spiritual talk? I don't know-maybe it is. Ammachi , " Pranada Sylvis " <daughterpranada wrote:While it is clear that many people feel Her grace has been with Obama, Ithink it would also be fair to say that many people in the United States andelsewhere have felt otherwise. There are devoutly religious people who inall earnestness feel in their hearts that McCain would have been thebetter leader. There are people who were heartbroken when Obama's victorywas declared. Some of these may even be list members. _______________ Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Well I think that is what I was doing..LOL..I was disagreeing with that statement so I don't know what you mean at all. I don't think I am claiming to be more spiritual than anyone or more religious than anyone else at all. I was simply pointing out the fact that Americans are of all religions and backgrounds and are of many political persuasions meaning there should never be this claim that one side has God while another does not, nothing more. thanks, Adriane Ammachi , temba spirits <tembaspirits wrote: > > > dear beloved ,just like you have a right to say that " ONE SIDE IS NOT MORE RELIGIOUS THEN THE OTHER " .dont people have the right to disagree with this opinion.is your perspective more spirtual or religious then someone who wants to take sides?LOVE AND SERVE.that is what AMMA says.everyone is HER child that is the ESSENCE of it ALL.................even the naughty children like me are HER chidren. > Ammachi: a1driane: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:13:21 +0000 Re: Discourse, spiritual and otherwise > > > > Let's not also get caught up in attributing one side as being " religious " while another side is not. I know many religious people and spiritual people who voted for Obama. This type of talk is divisive and was rampant in the campaign. We have people of all faiths and backgrounds who are on both sides in the U.S. One side is not more religious than another. Sorry but felt this should not go without comment. At any rate, I am happy. Sure the side that does not win is not ever happy-just like when Gore did not win and the election went south due to many things that seemed incredibly unfair. The glee in America for most is palpable and it was so large it spilled into our group. So be it. To me Obama is inspiring and spiritual. His grace and unwillingness to use hate talk during the campaign endeared him to most Americans. I think to many of us that constituted some vision in our own minds of his intense spirituality- that he never did become personal or hateful and you never hear him doing this. His desire not to use negative talk on personal levels was a first in American politics. That was amazing to witness and was testimony to his incredible enlightened way of viewing our world. That probably felt very spiritual to many of us and hence why many wanted to talk about it. Just my .02. Is it spiritual talk? I don't know-maybe it is. Ammachi , " Pranada Sylvis " <daughterpranada@> wrote:While it is clear that many people feel Her grace has been with Obama, Ithink it would also be fair to say that many people in the United States andelsewhere have felt otherwise. There are devoutly religious people who inall earnestness feel in their hearts that McCain would have been thebetter leader. There are people who were heartbroken when Obama's victorywas declared. Some of these may even be list members. > > > > > > _______________ > Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Namah Shivaya, Likewise, Adriane, I was arguing that one " side " is NOT more religious or spiritual than the other. -pranada, ducking out for real this time On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 1:57 PM, n2amma <a1driane wrote: > Well I think that is what I was doing..LOL..I was disagreeing with > that statement so I don't know what you mean at all. I don't think I > am claiming to be more spiritual than anyone or more religious than > anyone else at all. I was simply pointing out the fact that Americans > are of all religions and backgrounds and are of many political > persuasions meaning there should never be this claim that one side > has God while another does not, nothing more. > > thanks, > Adriane > > Ammachi <Ammachi%40>, temba spirits > <tembaspirits > wrote: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Aum Namah Shivaya, I just don't understand things sometimes. I am so sorry Pranada. Please accept my apologies. thanks, Adriane Ammachi , " Pranada Sylvis " <daughterpranada wrote: > > Namah Shivaya, > > Likewise, Adriane, I was arguing that one " side " is NOT more religious or > spiritual than the other. > > -pranada, ducking out for real this time > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 1:57 PM, n2amma <a1driane wrote: > > > Well I think that is what I was doing..LOL..I was disagreeing with > > that statement so I don't know what you mean at all. I don't think I > > am claiming to be more spiritual than anyone or more religious than > > anyone else at all. I was simply pointing out the fact that Americans > > are of all religions and backgrounds and are of many political > > persuasions meaning there should never be this claim that one side > > has God while another does not, nothing more. > > > > thanks, > > Adriane > > > > Ammachi <Ammachi%40>, temba spirits > > <tembaspirits@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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